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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 12:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The stupid just oozes out like puss- REAVERSHIT
ooo, that's a good one RF.-SHINY



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You know what Siggy, Fuck You! ...
Do you know what I think when people post like this? That I've made an argument that they absolutely can't refute with facts and any sort of rational point. When people resort to anger, name-calling, and libel is when I think my arguments have been proven correct.

Prove me wrong: explain to me how I'M wrong.

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I stand by my views.
Views entirely unsupported by facts?

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What a fucking ignoramus.
That would be you, son.


Wake up. Align your views with the real world- you won't feel any better but at least you'll get pissed off about real things instead of fake issues.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 1:18 PM

REAVERFAN


Not a person here more full of shit than you, Siggy.

How's the weather there in St. Petersburg, comrade?

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 1:21 PM

REAVERFAN


He’s Built an Empire, With Detained Migrant Children as the Bricks

The founder of Southwest Key made millions from housing migrant children. His nonprofit has stockpiled taxpayer dollars and possibly engaged in self-dealing with top executives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/us/southwest-key-migrant-children.h
tml?fbclid=IwAR3oiekSXQJ_fu-Al_eEAlxXgd69HV2lHtoxBYkbPlBHtegcyy1EqWCccVI

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 2:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by REAVERSHIT:
Not a person here more full of shit than you, Siggy.
How's the weather there in St. Petersburg, comrade?



Do you know what I think when people post like this? That I've made an argument that they absolutely can't refute with facts and any sort of rational point. When people resort to anger, name-calling, and libel is when I think my arguments have been proven correct.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 3:29 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Do you know what I think when people post like this? That I've made an argument that they absolutely can't refute with facts and any sort of rational point. When people resort to anger, name-calling, and libel is when I think my arguments have been proven correct.

You're going to declare yourself the winner without actually having won. Good for you. But there is article on the subject about why it’s pointless to argue on the internet. https://qz.com/1513176/

John Stuart Mill explains, in 1869, why you can never win an argument on the internet:

"So long as an opinion is strongly rooted in the feelings, it gains rather than loses in stability by having a preponderating weight of argument against it. For if it were accepted as a result of argument, the refutation of the argument might shake the solidity of the conviction; but when it rests solely on feeling, the worse it fares in argumentative contest, the more persuaded its adherents are that their feeling must have some deeper ground, which the arguments do not reach; and while the feeling remains, it is always throwing up fresh intrenchments of argument to repair any breach made in the old."

Mill highlights the often overlooked reality that many opinions aren’t based on facts at all, but feelings. And so, contradictory points of information don’t shift emotionally rooted arguments, but only cause people to dig deeper into their emotions to hold onto those views.

More at https://qz.com/1513176/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 4:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you know what I think when people post like this? That I've made an argument that they absolutely can't refute with facts and any sort of rational point. When people resort to anger, name-calling, and libel is when I think my arguments have been proven correct.

You're going to declare yourself the winner without actually having won. Good for you. But there is article on the subject about why it’s pointless to argue on the internet. https://qz.com/1513176/

John Stuart Mill explains, in 1869, why you can never win an argument on the internet:

"So long as an opinion is strongly rooted in the feelings, it gains rather than loses in stability by having a preponderating weight of argument against it. For if it were accepted as a result of argument, the refutation of the argument might shake the solidity of the conviction; but when it rests solely on feeling, the worse it fares in argumentative contest, the more persuaded its adherents are that their feeling must have some deeper ground, which the arguments do not reach; and while the feeling remains, it is always throwing up fresh intrenchments of argument to repair any breach made in the old."

Mill highlights the often overlooked reality that many opinions aren’t based on facts at all, but feelings. And so, contradictory points of information don’t shift emotionally rooted arguments, but only cause people to dig deeper into their emotions to hold onto those views.

That guy posted a good description of you, your posts, and your views. Like he read much of what you post, which nobody else does.

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 4:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted:
He’s Built an Empire, With Detained Migrant Children as the Bricks

The founder of Southwest Key made millions from housing migrant children. His nonprofit has stockpiled taxpayer dollars and possibly engaged in self-dealing with top executives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/us/southwest-key-migrant-children.h
tml?fbclid=IwAR3oiekSXQJ_fu-Al_eEAlxXgd69HV2lHtoxBYkbPlBHtegcyy1EqWCccVI


golly, more Obamabots misusing Federally confiscated Taxdollars, shockers.
Yet another example.

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 4:48 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Wrong, again, 6ix. I have a real deep hostility toward Trump-voting Texans who have hired illegal aliens.- SECOND
SECOND, the thought of deporting illegals without controlling the border makes as much sense as shoveling water uphill. The only thing that you ever posted on the topic that makes the slightest bit of sense is cracking down- HARD- on people who employ illegal aliens, because that can be done irrespective of what happens to the flow of migrants.

But more importantly: You got hoist on your own petard. YOU wanted an America where people couldn't agree on anything. Now Americans can't even agree on deporting illegal immigrants. Welcome to the nation that you wanted!

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Signym, agreement does not come easy for Americans. They have all kinds of strongly held opinions, pro or con, but they are not strong people, except in their imaginations. They become weaklings in reality when it comes time for Americans to stop arguing and make a decision, then paying the full price. The majority suddenly becomes the "undecided" or the "not sure". The price seems too high. They want to talk about it some more. And then some more after that. And even more, because the actual price scares them. A concrete example might make this clearer.

Trump and Signym want a Wall. Great decision! What are you willing to pay for it to get the Democrats' votes? What is their price? Don't offer the Democrats an end to the shutdown. That is what Trump wants for himself. Trump does not want to be blamed for the shutdown so he offers the Democrats an end, but that is exactly the same as Trump giving himself a two part gift: the Wall plus the Shutdown Ends. The real price for the Trump Wall is what the Democrats, not Trump, want. Is Trump willing to learn that price then pay it? If not willing, too bad about the Wall not being built. Trump and Signym will have to live and die without what their mighty hearts' desire.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 4:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Wrong, again, 6ix. I have a real deep hostility toward Trump-voting Texans who have hired illegal aliens.- SECOND
SECOND, the thought of deporting illegals without controlling the border makes as much sense as shoveling water uphill. The only thing that you ever posted on the topic that makes the slightest bit of sense is cracking down- HARD- on people who employ illegal aliens, because that can be done irrespective of what happens to the flow of migrants.

Post of the Year.

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 7:16 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Alexandra Pelosi on Wednesday offered high praise for her mother's negotiating skills. In an interview, Alexandra Pelosi was asked about her thoughts on the lawmaker's shutdown discussions with President Trump ahead of a White House meeting with congressional leaders scheduled for Wednesday afternoon.

“She’ll cut your head off and you won’t even know you’re bleeding,” Alexandra Pelosi said of the likely incoming House Speaker. "No one ever won betting against Nancy Pelosi. You've got to give her credit, no matter what you think of her."

Pointing to her mother's long-standing House service through several presidencies, she added that it should "make you sleep at night" that "at least somebody in this town knows what they're doing."

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/423482-pelosis-daugh
ter-my-mom-will-cut-your-head-off-and-you-wont


I hope Alexandra is correct about Nancy. I hope that the Democrats don't believe Trump when he claims his Wall is for "the National Security." That negotiating trick has been used thousands of times since 1945 and Democrats keep falling for it. I hope this time they make Trump pay for his Wall, not giving it to him for free because he says the magic words "the National Security."
www.vox.com/2019/1/2/18165019/trump-border-wall-messaging-incoherent

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 7:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Wrong, again, 6ix. I have a real deep hostility toward Trump-voting Texans who have hired illegal aliens.- SECOND
SECOND, the thought of deporting illegals without controlling the border makes as much sense as shoveling water uphill. The only thing that you ever posted on the topic that makes the slightest bit of sense is cracking down- HARD- on people who employ illegal aliens, because that can be done irrespective of what happens to the flow of migrants.

Post of the Year.



2018 or 2019?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 2, 2019 7:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by REAVERSHIT:
Not a person here more full of shit than you, Siggy.
How's the weather there in St. Petersburg, comrade?



Do you know what I think when people post like this? That I've made an argument that they absolutely can't refute with facts and any sort of rational point. When people resort to anger, name-calling, and libel is when I think my arguments have been proven correct.



It's blatantly obvious where a large proportion of the insults and defamatory comments come from on this board.

I find it extremely funny that they continue to claim that you're from Russia when those of us who are regularly attacked tend to get along generally well with each other both in the RWED and in other parts of fff.net. It's even more funny when somebody tries to tell me that I'm from Russia myself when just the day before they were claiming I'm a Nazi.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 3, 2019 10:03 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Fact-check about building a wall from the 95-minute session with Mr. Trump.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/trump’s-freewheeling-and-fact-free-ca
binet-meeting/ar-BBRJIbd


A wall, he said, would stop the flow of heroin into the country, and it would stop human trafficking. There are “probably” 30 million to 35 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, he speculated, and they cost the government $250 billion, which “would pay for the wall.”
(Government and independent analyses have estimated there are about 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country, and one of the highest estimates for costs of illegal immigration — a criticized study from an anti-immigration group — pins the figure at $116 billion. Building a wall would not remove these immigrants from the United States and reduce whatever costs they impose.)

More at www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/trump’s-freewheeling-and-fact-free-ca
binet-meeting/ar-BBRJIbd


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, January 3, 2019 12:23 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


GOP Senator Jeff Flake wanted to help undocumented immigrants — and then settled for nothing

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/28/18137596/2018-congress-immi
gration-health-care-jeff-flake


Nothing troubles Jeff Flake more than Trump’s hardline immigration agenda. He comes by it honestly: The Arizona senator attributes his soft spot for undocumented immigrants to his childhood growing up on a ranch. He understands the United States’ labor demands and respects the hard work and sacrifice immigrants endure to give their families a better, safer life. He naively didn’t think the Trump administration would try to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. When they did, in September 2017, Flake thought, even more naively, that Republicans and Democrats could band together and pass a version of the DREAM Act, a bill that would have given a path to citizenship to young undocumented immigrants.

But Republican Senate leaders, perhaps more aware of Trump’s extremism on the issue, were reluctant to move on immigration altogether, leaving close to 700,000 undocumented immigrants in legal limbo. By the end of 2017, no one was seriously talking about immigration.

But then, as Senate Republican leaders were scrambling to patch together votes for a tax bill, Flake suddenly had the leverage to push action on immigration, since the party could lose just only one vote (with John McCain living out his last days in Arizona).

But Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and the White House leaned hard on Flake. He’s a Republican; he’s supposed to cut taxes.

In exchange, Flake wanted a seat at the table on the immigration debate. He didn’t get any specific policy concessions or a timeline for when an agreement on DACA might happen. To understand how little Flake got, here’s what he himself said of the agreement.

“Giving protections for those kids — that’s what I hope comes out of it,” Flake told Vox at the time. “Obviously they can’t commit to do that, but they’ve committed to move forward with me and work with me on that.”

It’s been a year since Flake struck that deal. Congress never touched immigration again in any meaningful way.

The tax bill, however, is now law.

More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/28/18137596/2018-congress-immi
gration-health-care-jeff-flake


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You seem to be sending out mixed messages on your claimed anti-immigration status with your choice of articles, Second.

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Sunday, February 3, 2019 1:20 PM

REAVERFAN


Trump Administration to Court: 1) they don't know how many migrant children were taken from parents; 2) finding them would be too much of a "burden," since; 3) there was no formal tracking system in place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/report-trump-admin-does-not-plan-
to-reunite-families-separated-before-zero-tolerance_us_5c55c3c4e4b087104753e468?utm_source=reddit.com

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Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


From the article in the last post:

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If the government doesn’t allow those parents to re-apply for asylum in the U.S., families may remain permanently separated. Gelernt worries that before “zero tolerance” the government could have deported hundreds more parents who might not have had a say in their children’s futures.


Why?

If the process of re-applying for asylum would somehow magically reunite the parents with the children, why couldn't they be reunited without being able to re-apply for asylum?

Is there some sort of Harry Potter-esque magic in those asylum papers that I'm unaware of?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Here's the full document the article is referencing. I don't have time to look at and compare it to how the article stated it read right now. Maybe somebody will have done that by the time I return?

https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/govt-response-declaration

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Sunday, February 3, 2019 11:17 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
From the article in the last post:

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If the government doesn’t allow those parents to re-apply for asylum in the U.S., families may remain permanently separated. Gelernt worries that before “zero tolerance” the government could have deported hundreds more parents who might not have had a say in their children’s futures.


Why?

If the process of re-applying for asylum would somehow magically reunite the parents with the children, why couldn't they be reunited without being able to re-apply for asylum?

Is there some sort of Harry Potter-esque magic in those asylum papers that I'm unaware of?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There are internationally accepted laws for asylum that you clearly don't comprehend.

You're a useful idiot, nothing more.

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Monday, February 4, 2019 7:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That wasn't an answer to my question.

That was a baseless assumption and an insult.

Care to give it another go?

Anybody else want to answer my question?

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Saturday, February 9, 2019 4:40 PM

REAVERFAN


This was a human trafficking operation from the start.

Migrant Children Are Being Given To An Adoption Agency Linked To Betsy DeVos
https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/migrant-children-ar
e-being-given-to-an-adoption-agency-linked-to-betsy-devos-9j_wI0EkdEuS55b6qnzwsA
/

Migrant children have gone to Bethany Christian Services, an adoption organization with deep ties to the DeVos family.

The Trump administration argued in court earlier this week that reuniting migrant children separated from their parents at the border would require too much effort and “would present grave child welfare concerns”, as the children would be traumatized by leaving their current sponsors’ homes.

Though concerns for the psychological well-being of the children are specious at best, considering the original trauma was inflicted by the administration, the situation has a second nefarious element: many of these children are being sent to a Christian adoption agency with ties to Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

Via Progressive Secular Humanist:

As for the fate of the thousands of children the Trump administration does not want to reunite with their parents, Progressive Secular Humanist previously reported that many of the migrant children ruthlessly separated from their family by the Trump administration are being shipped to Bethany Christian Services, a Christian adoption agency with ties to the family of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

Rewire News reported last year that the agency was handling migrant children who suffered separation from their families under President Trump’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy.



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Saturday, February 9, 2019 4:40 PM

REAVERFAN


This was a human trafficking operation from the start.

Migrant Children Are Being Given To An Adoption Agency Linked To Betsy DeVos
https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/migrant-children-ar
e-being-given-to-an-adoption-agency-linked-to-betsy-devos-9j_wI0EkdEuS55b6qnzwsA
/

Migrant children have gone to Bethany Christian Services, an adoption organization with deep ties to the DeVos family.

The Trump administration argued in court earlier this week that reuniting migrant children separated from their parents at the border would require too much effort and “would present grave child welfare concerns”, as the children would be traumatized by leaving their current sponsors’ homes.

Though concerns for the psychological well-being of the children are specious at best, considering the original trauma was inflicted by the administration, the situation has a second nefarious element: many of these children are being sent to a Christian adoption agency with ties to Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

Via Progressive Secular Humanist:

As for the fate of the thousands of children the Trump administration does not want to reunite with their parents, Progressive Secular Humanist previously reported that many of the migrant children ruthlessly separated from their family by the Trump administration are being shipped to Bethany Christian Services, a Christian adoption agency with ties to the family of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

Rewire News reported last year that the agency was handling migrant children who suffered separation from their families under President Trump’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy.



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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 5:25 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


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The way we and I mean my Native American ancestors got guns was through trade. We gave you something that you wanted and guns were given back to us. We knew what they could do and for hunting they were better than a bow and arrow. Same thing with flour and sugar were also trade goods, white man foods. Not so good for us even now.

Columbus had 3 ships with him, and even if the tribes in Central or South America killed the crews of two. One could have gotten away and reported to Spain and word would have spread anyways about gold. More ships would have come.

Even if we killed every Englishman or in Canada the French as well. They would have kept coming. True no reports would have reached back to France or England but the oppression there would not have stopped. And people would have tried anyway to get away from it. It would not have stopped you, meaning Europeans from coming here.



Brenda,

A very rational and personal perspective that none here could ever hope to match, evidenced by "no response" from anyone (up until now). I hope that you understood where I was coming from in my comments about the Europeans first coming to this country. I was offering up an analogy, a fairy tale of sorts.
What would America be like without the thieving, and murderous, Europeans that
followed those early settlers.

And what makes it even more ironic, is how Trump describes the "hordes" coming from south of the border; those blood-thirsty savages and animals that mean to destroy our culture and way of life. It boggles the mind how accurate he
describes it - but in terms of the relentless take over of this land from those who lived there for thousands of years undisturbed. A case that's been
repeated around the globe in various locations where the native people were
friendly and unassuming.

Guam, Hawaii, the Philippines, Puerto Rico....are we sensing a pattern here?
I was commenting on much more than immigration. I was commenting on colonization, on persecution, on history repeating itself. This country was
built on that lie - that the white settlers, these immigrants, were good for the country. That their culture, their mode of living was far superior to that of the natives.

In Puerto Rico, the natives lived happy and free. They shared everything, the Cacique (chief) saw to that. The men would hunt and the women would gather. Each member of the village was important to the well being of the whole. The
Spanish came to conquer and, once gold and other rarities were discovered,
they enslaved the natives and they raped the land. The natives fought back, but the Spanish overwhelmed them and they were slowly killed off through disease and violence. It's still happening today. The island has been devastated and the U.S.A. has turned their back, having "raped" the land and
pointing a finger at the island assigning blame.

Perhaps I was none too clear in my comments. Perhaps Siggy needs to realize something - this world was always expanding throughout history, and will continue to do so. She, as usual, mischaracterizes my contributions and "cherry picks" statements to obscure the true meaning of my comments. In all the years I have been on this earth, and especially in this country, I've been
told that immigration is a good thing. That it has made this country great.
But great for whom?


SGG


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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Pure white guilt talking there, buddy.

For better or worse, the whole damn planet would be living in mud huts in 2019 if it weren't for the evil white man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:19 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Pure white guilt talking there, buddy.



Actually, that's History talking. Factual, verifiable historical events.

Your other comment is just laughable. What's the opposite of White Guilt? White Hubris?

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nothing of importance was ever invented by somebody who wasn't of European ancestry, or a derivative thereof. Prove me wrong.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:27 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nothing of importance was ever invented by somebody who wasn't of European ancestry, or a derivative thereof. Prove me wrong.



Without even thinking about it...Honda?

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Derivative.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:27 PM

REAVERFAN


Jack's deeply racist. He's just not very smart, at all.

https://qz.com/735731/dear-steve-king-here-are-some-things-not-invente
d-by-white-people-in-the-us-or-europe
/

https://slate.com/technology/2016/07/why-white-supremacists-who-defend
-racism-by-tallying-numbers-of-white-inventions-make-no-sense.html


It's all the white supremacist propaganda he's too dumb to recognize. I mean, the dude's a trumptard. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I know you are, but what am I?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 14, 2019 7:54 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Derivative.



Interesting - please explain.

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Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Derivative.



Interesting - please explain.



You'd have to explain exactly what part of a Honda you're referring to first. Otherwise you're just saying "automobile", which was already invented in Germany 77 years before Hondas first rolled off the assembly line.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 14, 2019 1:11 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You'd have to explain exactly what part of a Honda you're referring to first. Otherwise you're just saying "automobile", which was already invented in Germany 77 years before Hondas first rolled off the assembly line.



Wow, shocking - you said something really f*cking stupid. I bet even you know how dumb that was.

Are all Japanese advancements derivative? Chinese, Indian, Muslim? Who invented Mathematics?

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Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:48 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You'd have to explain exactly what part of a Honda you're referring to first. Otherwise you're just saying "automobile", which was already invented in Germany 77 years before Hondas first rolled off the assembly line.



Wow, shocking - you said something really f*cking stupid. I bet even you know how dumb that was.

Are all Japanese advancements derivative? Chinese, Indian, Muslim? Who invented Mathematics?



That's not an answer.

You'll note that I asked what specifically about Honda you're referring to. Otherwise you're just saying "automobile".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 15, 2019 9:41 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's not an answer.

You'll note that I asked what specifically about Honda you're referring to. Otherwise you're just saying "automobile".




It's better than an answer to a stupid question. I skipped your idiotic stall tactic and went over the top and body slammed your thesis - game set match. Did white dudes come up with Mathematics? No?? I thought you said nothing of consequence was done by anyone but White People of European origins? Of course that's a stupid thought, and yet you keep defending it because being a dick gets you attention. Nice life goals.

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Friday, February 15, 2019 9:56 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


He didn’t read intelligence reports and mixed up classified material with what he had seen in newspaper clips. He seemed confused about the structure and purpose of organizations and became overwhelmed when meetings covered multiple subjects. He blamed immigrants for nearly every societal problem and uttered racist sentiments with shocking callousness.

This isn’t how President Trump is depicted in a new book -- The Threat: How the FBI Protects America in the Age of Terror and Trump -- by former deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe. Instead, it’s McCabe’s account of what it was like to work for then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

The FBI was better off when "you all only hired Irishmen," Sessions said in one diatribe about the bureau's workforce. "They were drunks but they could be trusted. Not like all those new people with nose rings and tattoos - who knows what they're doing?"

It's a startling portrait that suggests that the Trump administration's reputation for baseness and dysfunction has, if anything, been understated and too narrowly attributed to the president.

More at www.al.com/news/2019/02/sessions-said-fbi-better-off-hiring-drunk-iris
hmen-mccabe-writes.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 15, 2019 10:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's not an answer.

You'll note that I asked what specifically about Honda you're referring to. Otherwise you're just saying "automobile".




It's better than an answer to a stupid question. I skipped your idiotic stall tactic and went over the top and body slammed your thesis - game set match. Did white dudes come up with Mathematics? No?? I thought you said nothing of consequence was done by anyone but White People of European origins? Of course that's a stupid thought, and yet you keep defending it because being a dick gets you attention. Nice life goals.



That's fine if you don't want to debate here or elaborate on your position. Just say so. No need for more personal insults.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 15, 2019 11:26 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
He didn’t read intelligence reports and mixed up classified material with what he had seen in newspaper clips. He seemed confused about the structure and purpose of organizations and became overwhelmed when meetings covered multiple subjects. He blamed immigrants for nearly every societal problem and uttered racist sentiments with shocking callousness.

This isn’t how President Trump is depicted in a new book -- The Threat: How the FBI Protects America in the Age of Terror and Trump -- by former deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe. Instead, it’s McCabe’s account of what it was like to work for then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

The FBI was better off when "you all only hired Irishmen," Sessions said in one diatribe about the bureau's workforce. "They were drunks but they could be trusted. Not like all those new people with nose rings and tattoos - who knows what they're doing?"

It's a startling portrait that suggests that the Trump administration's reputation for baseness and dysfunction has, if anything, been understated and too narrowly attributed to the president.

More at www.al.com/news/2019/02/sessions-said-fbi-better-off-hiring-drunk-iris
hmen-mccabe-writes.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



It's hard to believe such old-school bigotry still exists. Sessions reminds me of Pierce's father.


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Friday, February 15, 2019 3:36 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

It's hard to believe such old-school bigotry still exists. Sessions reminds me of Pierce's father.

video



Hilarious, funny show - never watched an ep, have to look it up. Jefferson Beauregard Sessions - no tell there! I saw a review that said the truth of what goes on in this admin is worse that we suspect.

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Monday, May 20, 2019 12:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Fascistic" immigration policy continues to prevent child trafficking and child exploitation


Quote:

Monday, May 20, 2019
DNA tests reveal 30% of suspected fraudulent migrant families were unrelated

Some of the migrant families arrested at the southern border weren't actually families.

In a pilot program, approximately 30% of rapid DNA tests of immigrant adults who were suspected of arriving at the southern border with children who weren't theirs revealed the adults were not related to the children, an official involved in the system's temporary rollout who asked to be anonymous in order to speak freely told the Washington Examiner Friday.

"There’s been some concern about, 'Are they stepfathers or adopted fathers?'" the official said. "Those were not the case. In these cases, they are misrepresented as family members."

In some incidents where Immigration and Customs Enforcement told the adults they would have to take a cheek swab to verify a relationship with a minor, several admitted the child was not related and did not take the DNA test, which was designed by a U.S. company.

The pilot lasted a few days earlier this month and was used only in McAllen, Texas, and El Paso, Texas. ICE said the Department of Homeland Security would look at the results to determine if it will be part of its comprehensive solution to border issues. Homeland Security has not issued a public statement on its intentions going forward.

MORE AT https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dn
a-tests-reveal-30-of-suspected-fraudulent-migrant-families-were-unrelated


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Monday, May 20, 2019 2:20 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Donald Trump Admits He Doesn’t Really Want to Stop Illegal Immigration

E-Verify is a system that employers can use to make sure they hire only people who are legally allowed to work in the United States. It’s pretty easy to use and pretty accurate, though it could still stand to be improved on that score. So should it be made mandatory for all employers? President Trump says NO:

In an interview with Fox News Channel conducted last week, Trump said a new White House plan to overhaul portions of the legal immigration system could “possibly” include the use of E-Verify. But he also said that the verification system could be overly onerous on certain employers, such as farmers, who Trump said were “not equipped” to use it.

“I used it when I built the hotel down the road on Pennsylvania Avenue,” he said, referring to the Trump International Hotel in Washington. “I use a very strong E-Verify system. And we would go through 28 people — 29, 30 people — before we found one that qualified.”

He continued: “So it’s a very tough thing to ask a farmer to go through that. So in a certain way, I speak against myself, but you also have to have a world of some practicality.”

It makes any sense to say that farmers are “not equipped” to use E-Verify. All you need is a smartphone or a computer with an internet connection. It’s insulting to suggest that farmers aren’t up to this.

Needless to say, what Trump really means is that farmers would be seriously pissed off if he tried to make them hire only legal workers. E-Verify would do that. Unspoken, but obvious, is the corollary to this: Trump’s wall doesn’t piss off farmers because they know it won’t accomplish anything. It’s just something that sounds good to his base.

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/20/trump_interview_immigration
_reform_china_trade_iran_terror_tax_cuts_2020.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:17 AM

REAVERFAN


16-Year-Old Dies in U.S. Border Patrol Custody, the Fifth Migrant Child Death Since December
http://time.com/5592162/fifth-child-dies-ice-border-custody/

It sucks, being so right all the time about our fascist-in-chief.

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Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:19 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

"Fascistic" immigration policy continues to prevent child trafficking and child exploitation


Who told you to say that? Rush? or that other slug and make-believe human
being, Miller?


sgg

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Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:30 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Trump runs "interference" while his cronies do their "dirty" behind the scenes. These Neo-Nazis have infiltrated the government establishment to line their pockets while exacting punishment on the real people of this country.

This latest disgusting, and illegal, act is tantamount to waterboarding. A truly vile and subhuman action disguising itself as a "patriotic" act.

You can expect a Tweet storm behind this, as well as, a continuation of discrediting the judge who ruled in favor of releasing his tax files.
More ingenious "interference."


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
16-Year-Old Dies in U.S. Border Patrol Custody, the Fifth Migrant Child Death Since December
http://time.com/5592162/fifth-child-dies-ice-border-custody/

It sucks, being so right all the time about our fascist-in-chief.


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Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:39 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

"Fascistic" immigration policy continues to prevent child trafficking and child exploitation


Who told you to say that? Rush? or that other slug and make-believe human
being, Miller?


sgg

The boss in St. Petersburg, where Siggy lives.

Siggy still posts fake news straight out of Moscow, and expects us to believe it.

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Tuesday, May 21, 2019 11:39 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


These diabolic lies have become so much a part of the norm, so much a part of our lexicon, that we need to carefully watch what we say and what we believe
lest we fall prey to it's more subversive nature.

Much like a commercial, repetition is key.

So let us be ever mindful and alert to it's insidious infiltration.

Fuuuck! Did I just say all that bullshit? Ok, seriously this is crazy shit.
It is insidious and extremely dangerous. You see how easily some fall prey to it. Enough from me.


SGG

P.S. I'm talking about that "immigration policy" bullshit, to be clear.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

"Fascistic" immigration policy continues to prevent child trafficking and child exploitation


Who told you to say that? Rush? or that other slug and make-believe human
being, Miller?


sgg

The boss in St. Petersburg, where Siggy lives.

Siggy still posts fake news straight out of Moscow, and expects us to believe it.


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Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Who told you to say that? Rush? or that other slug and make-believe human
being, Miller?

Washington Examiner

I knew it would make your head blow up.
You're so easy to tweak!


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Friday, May 24, 2019 3:51 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Nice try, but racist scumbags are torturing children...kids and killing them.
These low lives who follow the Supreme Leader, these scumbags without souls
just like back in WWII.




sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Who told you to say that? Rush? or that other slug and make-believe human
being, Miller?

Washington Examiner

I knew it would make your head blow up.
You're so easy to tweak!


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .


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Thursday, June 13, 2019 3:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Obama Admin Purged 12 Years Of ICE Speeches On Immigration Crisis Hours Before Trump Inauguration

Hours before President Trump took office, the Obama administration scrambled to purge 12 years worth of transcripts spanning hundreds of speeches from the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) website, according to the Daily Caller's Jason Hopkins.
An Internet Archive Wayback Machine capture of the “Speeches and Testimonies” page from late in the evening of January 19, 2017. (via the Sunlight Foundation)

A collection of 190 transcripts of speeches on ICE’s website was deleted on Jan. 18 and late in the evening on Jan. 19, 2017, according to research conducted by the Sunlight Foundation, a nonpartisan organization that advocates for government transparency. Statements made by high-ranking ICE officials regarding controversial immigration topics such as sanctuary cities, E-Verify, treatment of detainees, and other issues were included in the reported deletions. -Daily Caller

"With a couple of clicks of a mouse, access to a federal government web resource containing 12 years of primary source materials on ICE’s history was lost," wrote the Sunlight Foundation, adding that speeches dating back to 2004 were included in the purge.

The Caller notes that speeches from former acting ICE Director Thomas Homan were "prominently included in the deletion list," including a February 2016 speech in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee in which Homan discussed that "Unaccompanied Minor Crisis," which the Obama administration was grappling to manage at the southern border.

Another example cited by the Caller was a transcript from May 2016 in which Homan explained why sanctuary cities (and counties, and states) put "the public at risk," according to the report.

The Sunlight Foundation offered the following commentary to explain the purge:

"It is not inconceivable that an outgoing Democratic administration might want to avoid preserving these public stances for future scrutiny," adding "The removal of the ICE speeches collection represents the loss of a primary source history of the early days of ICE, dating back to its creation during the George W. Bush administration in 2003."



-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:02 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Obama Admin Purged 12 Years Of ICE Speeches On Immigration Crisis Hours Before Trump Inauguration


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

You are quoting the Daily Caller: https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/12/obama-administration-deleted-ice-sp
eeches
/

You can trace the missing ICE speeches to https://web.archive.org/web/20170118202526/https://www.ice.gov/speeche
s


Picking one speech at random: "CONCLUSION
ICE takes employee misconduct extremely seriously, and we are heavily invested in addressing these issues to ensure that ICE upholds the public trust and conducts its mission with integrity and professionalism. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today, and I would now be pleased to answer any questions."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221213953/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120801ragsdale.pdf


What a scandal! Somebody should read those speeches to discover more scandals.

Here is another scandal:"CONCLUSION
ICE is committed to promoting national security and has made significant progress in identifying and preventing terrorists from exploiting the visa process.
Thank you again for the opportunity to testify today and for your continued support of ICE and its law enforcement mission.
I would be pleased to answer any questions at this time."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221101610/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120718woods.pdf


Maybe one more missing speech chosen at random will reveal the true nature of the scandal:"CONCLUSION
Thank you again for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss our efforts to combat the money laundering threat to the United States and our response to the innovative techniques being used by TCOs.
I would be pleased to answer any questions."
https://web.archive.org/web/20161221111328/https://www.ice.gov/doclib/
news/library/speeches/120717winchell.pdf


All these ICE speeches also show in the Congressional record. The last one for example:
www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/STMT - WINCHELL-Leigh (ICE).pdf

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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