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Who Is Looking Forward To Government Shutdown?

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:30 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shill MSM even has people at my work talking about EBT running out.

I just told 'em to remain calm. There's no way that people aren't going to be fed because a bunch of rich asshole politicians are throwing temper tantrums.

They are among the worst people who ever lived, sure, and they don't give a shit about anybody but themselves, but all of their re-election chances are going to be extremely low if they cause a nationwide catastrophic event by cutting everyone's food stamps.

You are doing that thing where you blame both sides ("the worst people who ever lived"). But people other than you are already facing "a nationwide catastrophic event":
Shutdown Hits Industries Nationwide (wsj.com)
https://news.slashdot.org/story/19/01/21/1541213/shutdown-hits-industr
ies-nationwide


A President could target one particular industry, if he felt strongly inclined:

Reagan disrupted the airline industry by firing air-traffic controllers. He was hostile toward the controllers rather than airlines, but nothing stops him from hating both. Trump could do the same, telling Nancy Pelosi, "Gimme a $5.7 billion Wall or else mid-air collisions are your fault, not mine."

Pelosi’s best response is NOT to give Trump the money. She just won’t fly until Mitch McConnell stops Trump from jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge/committing highly-focused political suicide. But most Trump voters won’t see it that way. For them, it is Nancy’s fault. Why won’t she give him $5.7 billion and end the air-traffic control crisis that Trump did not cause in their partisan opinion?

www.history.com/this-day-in-history/reagan-fires-11359-air-traffic-con
trollers


Watching in amazement will be millions of Americans that didn’t fly last year, along with the many Americans not on food stamps/SNAP/electronic benefit transfer (EBT).

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM

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Government shutdown exposes a harsh truth: Most Americans are unprepared for the next recession.

Almost 57.8% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings.

How far can families go if one or two income earners lose their jobs? With 57.8% of Americans having less than $1,000 in savings and the next 15% having less than $5,000, I submit: Not very far.

78 percent of American workers say they’re living paycheck to paycheck, according to a 2017 report by employment website CareerBuilder.
http://press.careerbuilder.com/2017-08-24-Living-Paycheck-to-Paycheck-
is-a-Way-of-Life-for-Majority-of-U-S-Workers-According-to-New-CareerBuilder-Survey


The government shutdown serves as a preview for what will happen once unemployment rises from 50-year lows.

Fortunately for those affected by the shutdown, they have back pay to look forward to when the shutdown ends. The future unemployed will not have any such certainty, and with little to no savings to fall back on, they are playing with fire.

More at www.marketwatch.com/story/government-shutdown-exposes-a-harsh-truth-mo
st-americans-are-unprepared-for-the-next-recession-2019-01-22


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Government shutdown exposes a harsh truth: Most Americans are unprepared for the next recession.

Almost 57.8% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings.

How far can families go if one or two income earners lose their jobs? With 57.8% of Americans having less than $1,000 in savings and the next 15% having less than $5,000, I submit: Not very far.

78 percent of American workers say they’re living paycheck to paycheck, according to a 2017 report by employment website CareerBuilder.
http://press.careerbuilder.com/2017-08-24-Living-Paycheck-to-Paycheck-
is-a-Way-of-Life-for-Majority-of-U-S-Workers-According-to-New-CareerBuilder-Survey


The government shutdown serves as a preview for what will happen once unemployment rises from 50-year lows.

Fortunately for those affected by the shutdown, they have back pay to look forward to when the shutdown ends. The future unemployed will not have any such certainty, and with little to no savings to fall back on, they are playing with fire.

More at www.marketwatch.com/story/government-shutdown-exposes-a-harsh-truth-mo
st-americans-are-unprepared-for-the-next-recession-2019-01-22


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




lol

Is this news to you, perched upon your ivory tower?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol

Is this news to you, perched upon your ivory tower?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Not to me, and not to Trump. He suggested that 1) furloughed Federal workers should hold garage sales and 2) he didn't care because they were Democrats.

3) Nobody working for me is living from paycheck to paycheck. Honestly, Trump can't say that.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well... I keep getting shit about my current employment status here, but according to your numbers I have around 20 times more saved up than nearly 60% of the people in this country, and around 4 Times more saved up than the next 15%.

And that's after being an unemployed drunk for 2 1/2 years and grossing less than 13k last year.


That didn't happen by accident, and that wasn't white male privlidge at work either. That was a lot of smart and informed decisions piling up on each other for the better part of a decade, and that was living without certain intangible "feel goods" that most people have become addicted to over the years.


I learned the lessons that careerbuilder.com and marketwatch.com are trying to impart in 2019 all the way back in 2001-2005.



The lesson to learn is that for the large majority of us, our income is not going to rise any meaningful amounts any time soon. The other lesson is that you are replaceable and there is no guarantee that you'll have that job forever. What is important is what you choose to do with that money after you make it and pay the taxes.

I'm not going to shed a single tear for somebody living paycheck to paycheck that is paying over 100 bucks a month for a cell phone and another 100 bucks for cable TV. Neither will I shed any tears for anybody who goes out to eat more than once a week and doesn't stock up on the staples at warehouse stores or at least isn't cutting coupons.

Most of those Americans that haven't saved a single dime for the future make more than me, many by magnitudes more than I make.




EDIT:

Oh... and a bonus about working the type of job that I work at the rate of pay that I work compared to what I used to bring home...

I have a LOT of leverage where I work. Because I work at a place where they can't negotiate any pay and everybody gets the same with the same raises, they have to go out of their way to do other things in order to keep me around. I have quite a lot of pull where I'm at, because I'm better than anybody else at my job no less than two fold. Though it won't translate into any more money unless I were to move up, they're virtually kissing my ass and singing my praises.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. I made way too much money back in the day. I was easy to let go when the massive layoffs came about. Not only were they able to send my salary to India where they could employ five people with Master's degrees with it, but if they found a need to replace me here stateside they would have been able to get some college kid off the street for half of what I was getting paid.

I look back on those times and laugh about the absurdity that I thought I was underpaid at the time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I learned the lessons that careerbuilder.com and marketwatch.com are trying to impart in 2019 all the way back in 2001-2005.

If a majority of Americans learned those lessons, it would be a very different country than what it is. With all that savings and investing, we would have workable plans to build Firefly's 'Verse in the next century. Or maybe just a Firefly Class 03-K64 spaceship instead of SpaceX's reusable rockets. Or at least there would a trilogy of Firefly movies after it was cancelled at the end of 5 seasons.

More helpful: "The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Parents Are Going Broke"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/23/18183091/two-income-trap-eli
zabeth-warren-book
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. . . the addition of the second earner has created an increase in downside risk by eliminating an implicit insurance policy that families used to rely on.

Bad things have always happened to families from time to time. In a traditional two-parent, one-earner family, there was always the possibility that mom could step up and help out when trouble arose.

. . . if a family member got sick, mom was available as an unpaid caregiver. “A stay-at-home mother served as the family’s ultimate insurance against unemployment or disability — insurance that had a very real economic value even when it wasn’t drawn on.”

A modern family where mom is already working has no “give” and is much more likely to be pushed into bankruptcy by job loss or family illness unless it builds up a BIG financial cushion by saving most income from the second job, rather than spend it all.

But most families, of course, didn’t build up big financial cushions. The main savings vehicle for the American middle class was the owner-occupied home in the good school district. But the only way to tap that asset is to sell it . . .


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Wednesday, January 23, 2019 10:30 AM

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BUILD A WALL & CRIME WILL FALL!

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

BUILD A WALL & CRIME WILL FALL! This is the new theme, for two years until the Wall is finished (under construction now), of the Republican Party. Use it and pray!
4:57 AM - 23 Jan 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088058134713823233

Again, two minutes later, the president tweeted: “BUILD A WALL & CRIME WILL FALL!”
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088058726794387456

The slogan would seemingly replace the old, “BUILD THAT WALL” that so many Trump supporters have chanted at rallies across the country since he announced his intention to run for president in 2015.

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Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:12 AM

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From the moment he launched his campaign for president, Donald Trump compared the barrier he wanted to build along the U.S. southern border to China’s Great Wall. Both he and his Democratic opponents might want to take a closer look at the Chinese fortification — and why exactly it failed.

www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-18/failure-of-china-s-great
-wall-has-lessons-for-u-s-border-debate


The Ming’s big, beautiful wall failed to fulfill its sole mission: to protect China from invasion. The Ming were still tinkering with the massive structure when the dynasty collapsed in 1644.

Maybe the Manchu conquest was beyond repulse. A China divided was bound to fall. But the Ming clearly contributed to their own catastrophe. A court environment that prioritizing defeating one’s internal rivals over cooperating on policy stymied any hope of developing an effective solution to a serious problem. Emperors, coddled in luxurious palaces and lacking any real knowledge of conditions along the border, preferred looking tough on foreigners to compromise. Resistance to mutually beneficial trade deepened the causes of instability along the border. Treating those others across the frontier as bandits to be thwarted rather than poor people in need doomed Ming policy to failure.

Sound familiar?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:58 AM

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Whether you call it a wall, a fence or a steel barrier, it’s expensive, poorly defined, likely to disappoint and almost certain not to keep anyone out.

Trump must realize all this by now. Surely, the former real estate tycoon knows a troubled asset when he sees one. His proposed “big beautiful wall” is as troubled as they come. Which is why he needs Democrats to take the project off his hands, by accepting a deal that makes them part owners of whatever monstrosity rises from the ground.

www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Trump-s-border-compro
mise-won-t-save-the-wall-13556207.php


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Thursday, January 24, 2019 8:23 AM

THG


Congress controls the purse strings. There will be no new money for the wall. Security yes, money spent where it's needed and actually does some good, but no money for the wall.

T



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Thursday, January 24, 2019 8:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Congress controls the purse strings. There will be no new money for the wall. Security yes, money spent where it's needed and actually does some good, but no money for the wall.

The fewer spending bills Trump signs, the fewer votes he will get in 2020. When Trump stays on this path too long and the GOP has to override Trump's vetoes to keep the government functioning, V.P. Pence will look good to the GOP Senate as the next President, one who has an ego smaller than Trump's and a bigger brain.

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 12:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I am disappointed but not surprised that Trumpy Bear caved on the State of the Union Address.

It seems like many have overlooked the fact that Trump does not need to sign any Legislation for it to be enacted. Enough votes in both Chambers can render Trump irrelevant.
So The Speaker-in-Hiding is arguing with the Senate. Or else the snakes in her head.

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 12:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I am disappointed but not surprised that Trumpy Bear caved on the State of the Union Address.

It seems like many have overlooked the fact that Trump does not need to sign any Legislation for it to be enacted. Enough votes in both Chambers can render Trump irrelevant.
So The Speaker-in-Hiding is arguing with the Senate. Or else the snakes in her head.

The Senate needs exactly the same number of votes to over-ride a Trump veto or remove Trump from the White House.

It would save time to simply vote once to remove Trump.

www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/override_of_a_veto.htm

The Constitutional Convention had Trump in mind: In the early proposals, the president and other officials could be removed on impeachment and conviction for "corrupt conduct," or for "malpractice or neglect of duty." Later, the wording was changed to "treason, bribery, or corruption," and then to "treason or bribery" alone. Contending that "treason or bribery" was too narrow a definition, George Mason proposed adding "mal-administration," but switched to "other high crimes and misdemeanors against the state" when Madison commented that "mal-administration" was too broad.

www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Senate_Impeachmen
t_Role.htm



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Saturday, January 26, 2019 12:02 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Bump for illiterate Trolls.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 5:33 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I guess the Shutdown ended a few days ago. For now.

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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 6:29 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hear, hear!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Congress controls the purse strings. There will be no new money for the wall. Security yes, money spent where it's needed and actually does some good, but no money for the wall.

T




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Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I learned the lessons that careerbuilder.com and marketwatch.com are trying to impart in 2019 all the way back in 2001-2005.

If a majority of Americans learned those lessons, it would be a very different country than what it is. With all that savings and investing, we would have workable plans to build Firefly's 'Verse in the next century. Or maybe just a Firefly Class 03-K64 spaceship instead of SpaceX's reusable rockets. Or at least there would a trilogy of Firefly movies after it was cancelled at the end of 5 seasons.



Agreed.

I sometimes get annoyed that almost nobody else does this, even people I know personally who are in a position to do so.

But then I have to sit back and remember that nobody is taught shit about managing their money and budgeting in school and that we live in a society where our own Government is horrible shepherds of wealth and terrible role models, on top of the fact that every time somebody watches TV they're being brainwashed by ads telling them that in order to feel good about themselves they need to buy (insert whatever is being sold here).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 31, 2019 3:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I learned the lessons that careerbuilder.com and marketwatch.com are trying to impart in 2019 all the way back in 2001-2005.

If a majority of Americans learned those lessons, it would be a very different country than what it is. With all that savings and investing, we would have workable plans to build Firefly's 'Verse in the next century. Or maybe just a Firefly Class 03-K64 spaceship instead of SpaceX's reusable rockets. Or at least there would a trilogy of Firefly movies after it was cancelled at the end of 5 seasons.


Agreed.

I sometimes get annoyed that almost nobody else does this, even people I know personally who are in a position to do so.

But then I have to sit back and remember that nobody is taught shit about managing their money and budgeting in school and that we live in a society where our own Government is horrible shepherds of wealth and terrible role models, on top of the fact that every time somebody watches TV they're being brainwashed by ads telling them that in order to feel good about themselves they need to buy (insert whatever is being sold here).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Those are not disconnected issues. The Libtard Democraps insist upon dumbing down American Schools and keeping the Electorate illiterate, otherwise they would never get reelected. Ever notice how Conservatives always harp on getting better schooling and education, while Liberals always demand worse schools, and confiscating more money for Teachers (aka Unions)?

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