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37 days left until the Nov. elections and subpoena power.

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Maybe.

I don't know if I'd go trusting those polls from the same people who were telling you certainties 2 years ago though.

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Are there really any polls left suggesting Dems have a chance?

Other than 2nd graders.

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37 days left until the Nov. elections and subpoena power.

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Maybe.

I don't know if I'd go trusting those polls from the same people who were telling you certainties 2 years ago though.

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Are there really any polls left suggesting Dems have a chance?

Other than 2nd graders.

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Every one I've seen has them taking the house pretty easily, although they are showing that taking the senate is a long shot.

I'd say that if you think that the hidden Trump vote meant something in 2016, it's got to be double that in 2018, assuming people go out and vote.

The moral outrage that began in the build up to the 2016 election has reached a fever pitch and anybody who would come out and say that they support the Republican Party could be labeled a rapist or a nazi or a rape sympathizer, yada yada yada.

I don't think that vote is going to go favorably for the Democrats in November.



I've seen evidence of a glimmer of hope though. The wild claims by the extreme Leftists are becoming so insane that everybody else is starting seeing them for what they are... most importantly, the center-left Liberals. Like any moral outrage like the right-wing Satanic Panic of the 80's, McCarthyism, or the Salem Witch trials, this too will pass.

It won't be in time for the 2018 election, but it might be in time for the 2020 election. Time will tell.

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The wild claims by the extreme Leftists are becoming so insane that everybody else is starting seeing them for what they are... most importantly, the center-left Liberals. Like any moral outrage like the right-wing Satanic Panic of the 80's, McCarthyism, or the Salem Witch trials, this too will pass.

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The manipulation of values to evade taxes was central to one of the most important financial events in Donald Trump’s life. In an episode never before revealed, Mr. Trump and his siblings gained ownership of most of their father’s empire on Nov. 22, 1997, a year and a half before Fred Trump’s death. Critical to the complex transaction was the value put on the real estate. The lower its value, the lower the gift taxes. The Trumps dodged hundreds of millions in gift taxes by submitting tax returns that grossly undervalued the properties, claiming they were worth just $41.4 million.

The same set of buildings would be sold off over the next decade for more than 16 times that amount.

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You mean the 43 Seat majority that GoP has in the House will be wiped out? Seriously?
I believe it is currently 236 to 193. Where are these flips going to take place? I would wager none of the House seats from WI flipping. Nor Gov. But Sen will.

I can't believe that a list of these 25 States could be too burdensome to itemize.

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Like this claim that Trump is the Tax Cheater in Chief?

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No. That's an example of something that might be legitimate, but won't be taken seriously by anybody because it's lost in the last 700+ different anti-Trump stories the news has shit out every day since he was in office.

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Fred Trump was relentless and creative in finding ways to channel this wealth to his children. By age 3, Donald Trump was earning $200,000 a year in today’s dollars from his father’s empire. He was a millionaire by age 8. By the time he was 17, his father had given him part ownership of a 52-unit apartment building. Soon after Mr. Trump graduated from college, he was receiving the equivalent of $1 million a year from his father. The money increased with the years, to more than $5 million annually in his 40s and 50s.

Fred Trump’s real estate empire was not just scores of apartment buildings. It was also a mountain of cash, tens of millions of dollars in profits building up inside his businesses, banking records show. In one six-year span, from 1988 through 1993, Fred Trump reported $109.7 million in total income, now equivalent to $210.7 million. It was not unusual for tens of millions in Treasury bills and certificates of deposit to flow through his personal bank accounts each month.

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I think you touched on the ultimate difference between the bottom 50% of the population and the top 50% -- being able to tune out the noise and concentrate on the signal. Somebody at bottom would see this story and they would envy Trump. Maybe be angry at life's unfairness, but they would still vote for him again if they had the chance. Somebody at the top would find it extremely revealing of Trump's motivations, because the story contradicts everything Trump has said about himself.

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lol. That's cute. You took an entire paragraph to say that Democrats are smarter than Republicans.

How's that for tuning out the noise and concentrating on the signal, Second?

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GRAT is short for grantor-retained annuity trust.

The Times found evidence that the Trumps dodged hundreds of millions of dollars in gift taxes by submitting tax returns that grossly undervalued the real estate assets they placed in Fred and Mary Trump’s GRATs.

According to Fred Trump’s 1995 gift tax return, obtained by The Times, the Trumps claimed that properties including 25 apartment complexes with 6,988 apartments — and twice the floor space of the Empire State Building — were worth just $41.4 million. The implausibility of this claim would be made plain in 2004, when banks put a valuation of nearly $900 million on that same real estate.

The methods the Trumps used to pull off this incredible shrinking act were hatched in the strategy sessions Donald Trump participated in during the early 1990s, documents and interviews show. Their basic strategy had two components: Get what is widely known as a “friendly” appraisal of the empire’s worth, then drive that number even lower by changing the ownership structure to make the empire look less valuable to the I.R.S.

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Jesus Christ, 6ixStringJack, what is wrong with you? Do you ever stop and wonder why you are not rich, when you are obviously, at least to me, smarter, stronger, harder working than the typical 1 Percenter? Probably one of the following: a) You didn't click the link. b) You didn't read it. c) You didn't try hard enough to understand what you were reading. Repeat that a few thousand times, or some equivalent example that doesn't involve the internet, and you can waste your entire life.

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So again, I'll ask... what exactly is your game here?

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The practices allowed Trump and his siblings to inherit more than $1 billion from his father's real estate empire while paying a fraction of what they should have owed in gift and estate taxes, according to the Times.

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6ix, you made another one of those arguments that it does not matter who you vote for. Stop doing that, please. I vote, too, and I mostly lose. The Federal government was never intended to be responsive to your and my needs. You are smart enough to know that. Trump is probably not the only person who scammed you, 6ixStringJack. You cannot hit back at Trump, but there are people closer to you that you can get to do what you want. Be more alert and thereby avoid misfortunes in the future. (This is starting to sound like fortune cookie philosophy.) 6ix, you can do it, while I know a lot of people who cannot, for various sad reasons.

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My most valuable currency today is my time. I might not ever make myself rich off of it, but maybe I can help enrich the lives of others one day with it.

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“The Tax Department is reviewing the allegations in the Times article and is vigorously pursuing all appropriate avenues of investigation,” said James Gazzale, a spokesman for the New York Department of Taxation and Finance.

On Capitol Hill, some Democrats renewed calls for Trump to release his tax returns — which he has repeatedly declined to do, unlike his predecessors.

“I knew there had to be a compelling reason why this president departed from previous presidents in not disclosing his income tax returns,” said Sen. Richard J. Durbin (Ill.), the Senate’s second-ranking Democrat.

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"Get what is widely known as a “friendly” appraisal of the empire’s worth, then drive that number even lower by changing the ownership structure to make the empire look less valuable to the I.R.S."

When Trump can point to an appraiser's signature and an official ownership record - doesn't that let him, personally, off the hook?




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You cannot use Facts, Logic, Truth in an argument like this. That is not fair, and far too confusing to Libtards and Trolls who cannot see your honest and sensible progression.

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"Get what is widely known as a “friendly” appraisal of the empire’s worth, then drive that number even lower by changing the ownership structure to make the empire look less valuable to the I.R.S."

When Trump can point to an appraiser's signature and an official ownership record - doesn't that let him, personally, off the hook?

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"Basically, Fred Trump would turn over some piece of property to Donald Trump as a gift and value it at, say, $10 million. A year later Donald would sell it for $50 million."

But Fred Trump doesn't put the value on the property - an appraiser does. And the sale price is the result of a negotiation between buyer and seller - Donald Trump might just have found really motivated buyers.

I'm pointing out that fraud would be hard to prove.




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"Basically, Fred Trump would turn over some piece of property to Donald Trump as a gift and value it at, say, $10 million. A year later Donald would sell it for $50 million."

But Fred Trump doesn't put the value on the property - an appraiser does. And the sale price is the result of a negotiation between buyer and seller - Donald Trump might just have found really motivated buyers.

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My most valuable currency today is my time. I might not ever make myself rich off of it, but maybe I can help enrich the lives of others one day with it.

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You proved it with this one long answer ( although I always strongly suspected ) that you are far more agile than I. That's the person I wanted revealed. I hope there is less and less trouble in your future!

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In this morning's news, how does South Korea handle a crooked President?
It takes years, but the story ends with:

South Korea jails former president Lee for 15 years on corruption charges

Lee faced charges that he accepted around $10 million in illegal funds from institutions like Samsung and his own intelligence service, fueling ongoing concerns over the cozy ties between government and business leaders.

Lee, 76, has denied any wrongdoing, saying the investigation that led to the trial was politically motivated “revenge” by current President Moon. Trump will also be denying wrong doing, even while being sentenced at 76.

More at www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-politics-corruption/south-korea-
jails-former-president-lee-for-15-years-on-corruption-charges-idUSKCN1MF0J1

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The investigation is over and everyone who was going to be indicted has already been.

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Spy Bosses Warn Of Foreign Interference As Feds Unseal New Russia Charges

Russia's active measures scheme has a budget of tens of millions of dollars, and the funding came through a company controlled by a close associate of Russian President Vladimir Putin, prosecutors say.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/19/658931932/spy-bosses-warn-of-foreign-in
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The investigation is over and everyone who was going to be indicted has already been.

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Spy Bosses Warn Of Foreign Interference As Feds Unseal New Russia Charges

Russia's active measures scheme has a budget of tens of millions of dollars, and the funding came through a company controlled by a close associate of Russian President Vladimir Putin, prosecutors say.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/19/658931932/spy-bosses-warn-of-foreign-in
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Mueller's done buddy.

He's just doing the right thing and not putting it out there until after the elections. At least somebody learned from previous mistakes (cough cough Comey).

This will all be a huge embarrassment for Democrats, but it will be released after the election and two years before the next Presidential election, so with the short attention span of the average person it shouldn't negatively impact the 2020 election for the Democrats either.

That is your only silver lining out of this man. Best you start getting over it now.

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Mueller's done buddy.

He's just doing the right thing and not putting it out there until after the elections. At least somebody learned from previous mistakes (cough cough Comey).

This will all be a huge embarrassment for Democrats, but it will be released after the election and two years before the next Presidential election, so with the short attention span of the average person it shouldn't negatively impact the 2020 election for the Democrats either.

That is your only silver lining out of this man. Best you start getting over it now.

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Mueller investigation digs for longtime Trump advisor Roger Stone's connections to WikiLeaks

In recent weeks, a grand jury in Washington has listened to more than a dozen hours of testimony and FBI technicians have pored over gigabytes of electronic messages as part of the special counsel's quest to solve one burning mystery: Did longtime Trump advisor Roger Stone — or any other associate of the president — have advance knowledge of WikiLeaks' plans to release hacked Democratic emails in 2016?

While outwardly quiet for the last month, Robert S. Mueller III's investigators have been aggressively pursuing leads behind the scenes about whether Stone was in communication with the online group, whose disclosures of emails believed to have been hacked by Russian operatives disrupted the 2016 presidential campaign, according to people familiar with the special counsel probe.

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Here ya go Jack, dummy.

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No female parts here dummy just a 357. I'd love to let see how well that works as a deterrent to people getting stupid with me, dummy.

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