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"His weak attempts to rein in the abuses of multiple agencies"

Obama established the POLICY of midnight raids by ICE. POLICY isn't determined by Congress. The POLICY is directly due to Obama, and no one else.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"His weak attempts to rein in the abuses of multiple agencies"

Obama established the POLICY of midnight raids by ICE. POLICY isn't determined by Congress. The POLICY is directly due to Obama, and no one else.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Funny, How is it that you guys vehemently support border control and capturing
"illegals" - especially with that Turd Bucket Trump, yet you blame Obama for all
that ills this country at present regarding same?

I find that curious, to say the least.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No matter how far right or left leaning things may seem, the illegals are still allowed to come here and flourish. The few you're crying about right now are just examples. Meanwhile, there are tens of millions of illegals living and working here, not paying taxes, getting free healthcare and school for their kids, etc.

Do Dumb, Be Dumb. :X

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Obama again! Show me....show me in black and white where you got such information.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/us-placed-immigrant-chi
ldren-with-traffickers-report-says.html

U.S. Placed Immigrant Children With Traffickers, Report Says

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This I believe was the outfall of Obama's DACA. There were plenty of stories running in the LATimes 2012-2014 about parents and children living on opposite sides of the border after Obama - the 'Deporter in Chief' deported their parents.

LATimes
Obama to Dreamers' parents: No deferral for you
Michael McGough
Nov 21, 2014 | 4:00 AM
The most curious aspect of the proposal was what it didn’t contain: deferral of deportation for the parents of the so-called Dreamers, children brought to this country illegally by their parents.
Two years ago, Obama protected many Dreamers from deportation with his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, known as DACA, and the Dreamers hoped that he would extend the same consideration to their parents.
They were disappointed.
Apparently the White House considered deferring deportation of the Dreamers’ parents, too, but ran into a roadblock from the Office of Legal Counsel in the Justice Department. The head of that office, Karl R. Thompson, concluded that “the proposed deferred action program for parents of DACA recipients would not be a permissible exercise of enforcement discretion.”


CNN
Deportations: Missing parents, scared kids
By Cindy Y. Rodriguez and Adriana Hauser, CNN
Updated 11:41 AM ET, Sun October 27, 2013
After their father was deported, Cesia Soza, bottom left, and her brother Ronald Jr. have lived with the Sandigo family in Miami.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Obama Lets Down Immigrant Women
Jessica González-Rojas
The Daily Beast
Washington

This article was originally published on The Daily Beast.

With record deportations and families torn apart, we are in the midst of a humanitarian and moral crisis. ... The hardest stories come from the mothers. Between 2010 and 2012, the Obama administration deported more than 200,000 parents of U.S. citizen children, and more since that time. Many of the children of deported parents end up in the child welfare system, and may be separated indefinitely.

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The Denver Post
U.S. immigration policy splits families when parents are deported
PUBLISHED: August 25, 2012

“How can my country not allow a mother to be with her children, especially when they are so young and they need her?” Rony Molina asks. “And especially when they are Americans?”

It’s a question thousands of families are wrestling with as a record number of deportations means record numbers of American children being left without a parent — despite President Barack Obama’s promise that his administration would focus on removing only criminals.

Nearly 45,000 such parents were removed in the first six months of this year, says the federal department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

At least 5,100 U.S. citizen children in 22 states live in foster care, according to an estimate by the Applied Research Center, a New York-based advocacy organization, which first reported on such cases last year.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
RF

YOUR LINK:

But despite the narrower focus, more than 2 million people were deported during Obama’s time in office, including a record of more than 409,000 people in 2012. At one point, he was dubbed the “Deporter in Chief” by his critics.

ARE THE LATEST RAIDS A DIRECT RESULT OF TRUMP’S ORDER?
Immigration officials say they aren’t.
David Marin, Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s field office director for enforcement and removal operations in greater Los Angeles, said the agency carries out these operations two or three times a year in his region. He says the California operation was in the planning stages “before the administration came out with their current executive orders.”

... Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly testified before Congress. He told lawmakers immigration agents expressed frustration about that they were not fully allowed to enforce immigration laws under the Obama administration.

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Also, when Trump hits the 2 million mark in 8 years - or a half-million in one year - let me know. He hasn't even come close to Obama's record at this point.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/obama-family-deportation-raids-
217329

Obama administration kicks off family deportation raids
The Obama administration confirmed Monday that it began a new wave of arrests of Central American immigrant families over the weekend, moving forward with deportations of mothers and children despite an outcry from immigrant rights groups and potential political fallout for Democrats.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-immigration-raids-20160512-snap-
story.html.

Obama administration plans new raids that would deport Central American children
The Obama administration is planning another series of raids that would lead to the deportation of Central American mothers and children found to have entered the country illegally, the Department of Homeland Security said Thursday.
The raids will target adults and children who crossed the border illegally after Jan. 1, 2014, a population of immigrants that the Obama administration has identified as priorities for deportation, according to Homeland Security spokeswoman Marsha Catron.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hard-truths-about-obamas-deportat
ion-priorities_us_58b3c9e7e4b0658fc20f979e.

The Hard Truths About Obama’s Deportation Priorities
Trump’s Executive Orders on immigration, his expansion of who is defined as a criminal and his rhetoric about “bad hombres” are a departure from Obama, but not as much as we might like to believe. If progressives keep lying to themselves about their past, they are doomed to continue to push the same failed policies of the corporate wing of the Democratic party, exemplified by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The reason why I answered your post, Shiny, even though you posted RIGHT AFTER my post which contained in black and skyblue exactly what you were demanding is this:

I've been trying to point out that just because one "side" is bad doesn't make the other "side" good, or even marginally better. I think a lot of you are stuck in thinking of this as a matter of 'teams', where there are only two in a game, and one side wins and the other side loses. But this isn't televised sports with all the glitz and commercialized team spirit. It's a quieter and more complex reality. We need to solve problems, not pick teams.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Originally posted by second:
What problem (your word, not mine) is Trump "solving" here?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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Originally posted by second:
What problem (your word, not mine) is Trump "solving" here?

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Did I say Trump was solving problems?

PLEASE - quote that quote.

Otherwise ... ... SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC ...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/stor
y?id...
Aug 29, 2016 - Trump may be getting closer to Obama's recent policy. ... Obama has often been referred to by immigration groups as the "Deporter in Chief.".

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"His weak attempts to rein in the abuses of multiple agencies"

Obama established the POLICY of midnight raids by ICE. POLICY isn't determined by Congress. The POLICY is directly due to Obama, and no one else.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm not 'championing' anything. I'm just pointing out that people who have a problem with Trump's immigration and deportation practices should have a greater problem with Obama's.

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But despite the narrower focus, more than 2 million people were deported during Obama’s time in office, including a record of more than 409,000 people in 2012. At one point, he was dubbed the “Deporter in Chief” by his critics.

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But despite the narrower focus, more than 2 million people were deported during Obama’s time in office, including a record of more than 409,000 people in 2012. At one point, he was dubbed the “Deporter in Chief” by his critics.

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Okay...is the above a criticism? I'm asking because I keep hearing things from the right like: "They are illegals, they should be deported. They should enter the
country legally."
So, if he was dubbed the "Deporter in Chief" then what exactly is the criticism? Obama enforces the law...he's a fucking hack. He doesn't enforce the law...he's a
fucking hack. Which is it to be?

Though again I say, who's president now? When Bush was in office, he got his lumps for being the dumbest president, did he not? Now it's Trump's turn - fucking
douchebag!


SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
So, let me see.....who's president again? Remind me, cause I lost track.


SGG

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I'm not 'championing' anything. I'm just pointing out that people who have a problem with Trump's immigration and deportation practices should have a greater problem with Obama's.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I never heard anyone call him "The Deporter in Chief",

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I dunno... Is Comey a good guy or a bad guy this week? I lost track.

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I never heard anyone call him "The Deporter in Chief",

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I dunno... Is Comey a good guy or a bad guy this week? I lost track.

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There's that black-and-white thinking, again.

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Originally posted by JJ:
This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!

Can we all take a minute and agree this is the best thread title ever?

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This administration has done nothing to combat anti-government and extreme right-wing terrorism. On the contrary, they have rescinded previous programs and laws and have created a breeding ground for an increase of hate crime and domestic terrorism. Many of us have been warning that the current political atmosphere, from rhetoric espoused by the media and political figures to the actions taken by this administration, breeds extremity.

In 2009 and 2015 the Department of Homeland Security, as well as the FBI, warned us about the rise of right wing terrorism.[1] Guess what President Trump and this administration did as one of their first acts? Cut funding to programs meant to combat far right terrorism.[2] This action was taken when we know that there is a growing trend of anti-government terrorism.[3] This is a probpem for both sides of the political spectrum, take the anti-government terrorist who shot at GOP Congressman Scalise at a baseball game as an example.[4] However, the majority of terrorist attacks are perpetuated by the far right in America. This snippet from a NYT op-ed shows just how ridiculous the terrorism rhetoric has become while this administration ignores white supremacy terrorism.[5] This isn't discounting the threat of terrorism, however I find it astonishing that this administration and the GOP/right wing media sphere completely ignore the largest perpetrators of terrorism in America.[6]

The frequency of far-right attacks is particularly significant in the United States, where white supremacist, anti-government and neo-Nazi extremists have been responsible for 73 percent of deadly terrorist attacks since Sept. 11, 2001, according to the Government Accountability Office. Also notable is that in many cases, Muslims have become the target of violence.

The United States of America is a victim of 300 violent attacks inspired by the far right every year.[7] A recent example are the three men from Illinois who were charged with a mosque bombing, one of the men drafted a border wall plan for Trump.[8] I'll include this small excerpt from an article by USA Today, I implore everyone to read how right-wing terrorism is rapidly accelerating in America. This all occurred in a single week in May of 2017 and yet President Trump is still waiting for all the facts before he does anything.[9]

• May 20 – Richard Collins III, an African American and Bowie State University student, was stabbed to death by Sean Urbanski, a member of a Facebook group called the "Alt-Reich: Nation."

• May 26 – Three men in Portland tried to stop white supremacist Jeremy Christian from harassing two women who appeared to be Muslim. For their bravery, the three men were viciously attacked; two were murdered and the third was seriously injured.

• May 27 – Anthony Hammond was arrested in Clearlake, Calif. for allegedly stabbing a black man with a machete, after yelling racial slurs. While en route to the Lake County Jail, Hammond threatened to kill the transporting officer and his family once he was released. Hammond was charged with committing a hate crime, among other charges.

• May 28 – Two Native American men in Washington State were run over by a pickup truck driven by a white man shouting racial slurs and war whoops. One of the tribal members was killed and the other hospitalized.

All of these attacks were committed by extremists who appear to be inspired by a politically motivated ideology that posits racial, moral and religious superiority and demands violent action to advance it. People are dead or injured because of ideologically motived attacks. Where is the public outrage? Where are the calls for national unity and enhanced security? Why aren’t we asking where and how these people were radicalized?

Helk, even National Security Adviser John Bolton tapped up a Neo-Nazi as the Chief of Staff of the National Security Council.[10]

CBS - Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic And Political Climate Fueling Resurgence In Radicalization And Recruitment.

Reuters - Exclusive: Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam - sources

New York Times - The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat

Chicago Tribune - Gunman who shot Steve Scalise cased baseball field for weeks before rampage

New York Times - What About the Terrorism of the Far Right?

Government Accountability Office - COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM; Actions Needed to Define Strategy and Assess Progress of Federal Efforts, Pg. 28, Appendix II: Violent Extremist Attacks in the United States that Resulted in Fatalities, September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016

PBS - U.S. sees 300 violent attacks inspired by far right every year

Chicago Tribune - 3 Illinois men, including one who drafted a border wall plan for Trump, charged with Minnesota mosque bombing

USA Today - President Trump wants 'the facts' on right-wing extremism. Here they are.

Washington Monthly - John Bolton’s New Chief of Staff Has Deeply Alarming Connections

SCUMBAG!

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So, let me see.....who's president again? Remind me, cause I lost track.


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I'm not 'championing' anything. I'm just pointing out that people who have a problem with Trump's immigration and deportation practices should have a greater problem with Obama's.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Good answer. Although you guys should be worshipping him at the Alt-right
alter of degradation. Comey got the Orange Blob elected. So, you choose.


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So, let me see.....who's president again? Remind me, cause I lost track.


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I'm not 'championing' anything. I'm just pointing out that people who have a problem with Trump's immigration and deportation practices should have a greater problem with Obama's.

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SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Originally posted by JO753:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/4/1777434/-The-Times-finally-g
ets-to-the-bottom-of-Trump-supporters-It-turns-out-they-re-garbage-human-beings?detail=emaildkre

Daily Kos artikl telz it like it iz!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

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Trump Creates ‘Denaturalization’ Task Force to Pursue Deportation Against Thousands of U.S. Citizens
https://www.theroot.com/trump-creates-denaturalization-task-force-to-p
ursue-d-1827372139

Pandering to his scumbag base.

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Trump Creates ‘Denaturalization’ Task Force to Pursue Deportation Against Thousands of U.S. Citizens
https://www.theroot.com/trump-creates-denaturalization-task-force-to-p
ursue-d-1827372139

Pandering to his scumbag base.

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U.S. Army discharging troops promised citizenship through service

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/5/army-discharging-immig
rant-recruits/

Immigrant enlistees into the Army’s active duty and reserve units, promised a path to citizenship in exchange for military service, are being discharged from the service’s ranks.
Roughly 40 U.S. soldiers have been quietly discharged from the Army due to their immigrant status, the Associated Press reported Thursday night. Potentially more have been involuntarily separated from the ground service, but Army and Pentagon officials declined to provide additional details on those discharges, due to pending litigation against the service by those being removed, the AP reports.
The existing Army program, known as the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest program or MAVNI was initiated under the George W. Bush administration.
Under the program, immigrants seeking to enlist in the Army must be in the U.S. legally before being considered for military service. President Barack Obama extended the program to allow young immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals or DACA policy to participate.
Over 5,000 recruits enlisted into the Army in 2016 alone, under the program with over 10,000 currently in uniform in the Army and other service branches. Immigrant enlistees are eligible to become naturalized U.S. citizens upon completion of basic training. Over 110,000 U.S. service members have joined the military since Sept. 11, 2001.

Call it another trial balloon.

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Trump Creates ‘Denaturalization’ Task Force to Pursue Deportation Against Thousands of U.S. Citizens
https://www.theroot.com/trump-creates-denaturalization-task-force-to-p
ursue-d-1827372139

Pandering to his scumbag base.

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U.S. Army discharging troops promised citizenship through service

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/5/army-discharging-immig
rant-recruits/

Immigrant enlistees into the Army’s active duty and reserve units, promised a path to citizenship in exchange for military service, are being discharged from the service’s ranks.
Roughly 40 U.S. soldiers have been quietly discharged from the Army due to their immigrant status, the Associated Press reported Thursday night. Potentially more have been involuntarily separated from the ground service, but Army and Pentagon officials declined to provide additional details on those discharges, due to pending litigation against the service by those being removed, the AP reports.
The existing Army program, known as the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest program or MAVNI was initiated under the George W. Bush administration.
Under the program, immigrants seeking to enlist in the Army must be in the U.S. legally before being considered for military service. President Barack Obama extended the program to allow young immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals or DACA policy to participate.
Over 5,000 recruits enlisted into the Army in 2016 alone, under the program with over 10,000 currently in uniform in the Army and other service branches. Immigrant enlistees are eligible to become naturalized U.S. citizens upon completion of basic training. Over 110,000 U.S. service members have joined the military since Sept. 11, 2001.

Call it another trial balloon.

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I recently saw were our military had a gang problem. If the story is true the press may not have picked up on the correct reason why this is happening. That said, if it is true and these are not gang members that it is another example of why I am embarrassed to be American at the moment.

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According to the Department of Defense, out of 207,000 service members that were discharged in 2014, more than 18,000 (9%) were issued less-than-honorable paperwork, including 4,143 (2.0%) other-than-honorable discharges, 637 (0.31%) bad conduct discharges, and 157 (0.08%) dishonorable discharges. After 2000, 352,000 people were handed similar papers ranging from general discharge to bad conduct and dishonorable discharge.[18]

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And the results are quite satisfactory. There is good news on two fronts. First, Rupert Murdoch is happy with it – his Fox News mouthpieces outdid themselves in barbaric crassness: making animal noises at the mention of a Down syndrome child, describing crying children as actors.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

40 out of 15,000 isn't a bad number by any means. Should probably wait for more details about the "why" before anybody goes making any rush judgements and starts calling everybody racists.

Those 40 make up .0026% of the amount of people who went into the program since it was enacted by the GWB admin, according to your article.

I can think of about 1,000 reasons why 40 of 15,000 people might be discharged from the armed services, and none of them have anything to do with race or nationality is all I'm saying.

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