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If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival

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HOWEVER, You must be in the USA LEGALLY. These rules do NOT apply to illegal aliens.

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I deleted the rest of your post because you misrepresent the facts by omitting what we know to be true. Your are not here illegally if you come looking for help. What you've posted here is wrong and what I post below is why you are wrong.

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This Obama-era pilot program kept asylum-seeking migrant families together. Trump canceled it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/obama-era-
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/legal-options-undoc
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Entering the United States without approval is illegal. So is staying in the U.S. without permission after your visa or other authorized stay has expired. Even violating the terms of a legal entry can make your stay illegal.
The U.S. immigration law offers very few options to go from being illegal or undocumented immigrant to a U.S. permanent resident (with a green card).
You can apply for the right to stay in the U.S. if you qualify for asylum and apply within one year of your entry or the expiration of your authorized stay. You’ll need to show that you have been persecuted, or fear future persecution, in your home country, based on your race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group. The process involves submitting an application, together with detailed documentation of your membership in the group that you claim and the persecution that you faced or fear. If you are granted asylum, you can apply for a green card one year after your approval, and for U.S. citizenship four years after that. (If denied, you will be deported.).


https://immigration.findlaw.com/visas/immigration-through-adjustment-o
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Those wishing to adjust to immigrant status must physically be present in the U.S. and must have entered the U.S. legally (with some exceptions, including battered family members). Whether or not you are eligible to adjust your status is determined by your basis to immigrate (detailed below): ie, whether it is family based, employment based, part of a humanitarian program, or a special case (see instructions for Form I-360 for more details).

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But while you're here in the US illegally, the government reserves the right to detain you.

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https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-stat
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Defensive Asylum: A person who is in removal proceedings may apply for asylum defensively by filing the application with an immigration judge at the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) in the Department of Justice. In other words, asylum is applied for “as a defense against removal from the U.S.” Unlike the criminal court system, EOIR does not provide appointed counsel for individuals in immigration court, even if they are unable to retain an attorney on their own.
While U.S. law provides arriving asylum seekers the right to be in the United States while their claim for protection is pending, the government has argued that it has the right to detain such individuals.

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This Obama-era pilot program kept asylum-seeking migrant families together. Trump canceled it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/obama-era-
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And remember this. Our government can not keep these children incarcerated for more than two more weeks I believe.


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I deleted the rest of your post because you misrepresent the facts - THUGR

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A person who has made illegal entry may apply for asylum. However, the US reserves the right to detain that person while determining his/ her status. If the status is determined to be ineligible, that person may be deported immediately, at the discretion of relevant officials. That person also becomes permanently ineligible for any type of legal stay in the US in the future.

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Meanwhile ...

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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[A]ll persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection guarantied by those amendments, and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.

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Oh, you mean I don't think people should be allowed to immigrate ILLEGALLY at will?

Do you have a problem with me wanting people to obey the laws?

Yes or no.

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The people separated from their children are being told to plead guilty and they will see their children again: blackmailed. Then they were being deported without their children: heartless. We kiki, our government under Trump are the ones breaking the law.

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This Obama-era pilot program kept asylum-seeking migrant families together. Trump canceled it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/obama-era-
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According to The Associated Press, cost the government $36 per day per family. By the end, it served 954 people in total, according to a 2017 Department of Homeland Security Inspector General report.
According to the Inspector General report, overall compliance in the five cities where the pilot was launched was 99 percent for ICE check-ins and appointments, and 100 percent for attendance in court hearings. Just 2 percent of participants absconded during the process.
ICE said it canceled the program because it was too expensive compared to other monitoring methods ...
“After a review of the Family Case Management Program (FCMP), ICE discontinued the program in June 2017. The rates of compliance for FCMP were consistent with other monitoring options ICE exercises under Alternatives to Detention (ATD), which proved to be a much better use of limited resources,” ICE spokesperson Sarah Rodriguez told NBC News in a statement.
A second ICE spokesman added that the other ATD methods also had a compliance rate of over 99 percent, too. Those cost between $5 and $7 a day per adult.

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This is what I get out of the ruling:

The ruling held that imprisonment for illegal US entrants as part of the expulsion process was legal.
However, EXTRA punishment (6 months hard labor, as legislated by the Chinese Exclusion Act) or punishment for capital or heinous crimes merits legal protections.
This can create more legal protections for people who are far less innocent (capital or heinous crimes).


What I get out of it is you better commit a heinous crime while in the US illegally, because you'll get better legal protection. This looks pretty fucked up to me.
Also, reading the law to me is a lot like reading the Bible. If you pick your phrases right, you'll find whatever you want.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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What GSTRINg is implying is that we are - for some unfathomable reason - obligated to allow any number of entrants into the USA without any sort of limitations or even screening for criminal background.

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1kiki, you don't understand, do you? Trump throws them in jail, then takes them out of jail in handcuffs, detouring around a courtroom and avoiding all judges, before he forcefully deports them to any damn place on Earth that he please, not necessarily where they started from. That is depriving them of their "liberty"

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This is what I find so frustrating about all of you so-called liberals:

Despite the historical fact that the United State has repeatedly interfered with, "intervened" in, and invaded nations south of our border ...

Despite the historical fact that we did this to prop up their oligarchs and the juntas who served them, to benefit our corporations and banks ...

Despite ample evidence, from "sources" that YOU would trust that this caused poverty and violence which people are now fleeing ...

NONE of you has the integrity to stand up on your hind legs and agree that ... gee... maybe we Americans would be better served by letting those other nations deal with their own internal problems by leaving them the fuck alone

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And you wonder why I think that you're all just as bad as GWB? Because the way I see it, you either can't agree with what seems like a sensible idea because you hate me, proving that your bias is so strong that it overwhelms your moral code ...

Or you're deep in denial, demonstrating that your bias is so strong that it overcomes your reasoning brain ....

Or you're just a warmonger who STILL think that the USA has the "right" to kill or maim millions of people in other nations.

Or you're a coward who is unwilling to face up to the bullying, libel, and occasional threats that your freedom-loving fellow liberals like to dish out when faced with a POV that they can't discuss dispassionately.

I leave it to you to privately figure out where you are in the lineup.

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I already have - guess you weren't paying attention or are lying again or just looking for another reason to agitate.

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I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it.

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Are you even trying to make sense?
What circumstances are you talking about?
If a person has intentionally committed the Federal Crime of Illegally Entering the country, then they are Illegally on American soil. Not a Resident Alien. Not an Admissible Alien. Not any category which is granted Constitutional Right of Due Process.
Or can you not read?

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Well, this thread has certainly become a disaster for the pretense of Fake Opinion posited in the OP, and the thread Title.

Every single delusion from the Left is disproven by the reasonable people. As always.

Not even including the proclamation that Hilliary is not a Liberal.

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This is what I find so frustrating about all of you so-called liberals:

Despite the historical fact that the United State has repeatedly interfered with, "intervened" in, and invaded nations south of our border ...

Despite the historical fact that we did this to prop up their oligarchs and the juntas who served them, to benefit our corporations and banks ...

Despite ample evidence, from "sources" that YOU would trust that this caused poverty and violence which people are now fleeing ...

NONE of you has the integrity to stand up on your hind legs and agree that ... gee... maybe we Americans would be better served by letting those other nations deal with their own internal problems by leaving them the fuck alone

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And you wonder why I think that you're all just as bad as GWB? Because the way I see it, you either can't agree with what seems like a sensible idea because you hate me, proving that your bias is so strong that it overwhelms your moral code ...

Or you're deep in denial, demonstrating that your bias is so strong that it overcomes your reasoning brain ....

Or you're just a warmonger who STILL think that the USA has the "right" to kill or maim millions of people in other nations.

Or you're a coward who is unwilling to face up to the bullying, libel, and occasional threats that your freedom-loving fellow liberals like to dish out when faced with a POV that they can't discuss dispassionately.

I leave it to you to privately figure out where you are in the lineup.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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There is NO process "due" illegal aliens ... ie people who jumped the border ... except that they either meet the (very high) bar for political asylum seekers in an emergency situation, OR they are criminals who require punishment other than deportation. I think the law is pretty clear.

If people want to come over the border legally, instead of requesting a "migrant visa" they can try getting a "visitor visa". From there, they can request asylum.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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SGG has been on quite the rant lately. Except every post he has in his delusional rant he makes a new thread. Some people really should stay on their meds.

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I am not wasting my time explaining to you, unless I could get my hands on you.

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1kiki, you don't understand, do you? Trump throws them in jail, then takes them out of jail in handcuffs, detouring around a courtroom and avoiding all judges, before he forcefully deports them to any damn place on Earth that he please, not necessarily where they started from. That is depriving them of their "liberty"

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SECONDRATE (oh btw thanks for the threat in the "Democrats only" thread) if you trespass into my house and the cops come and drag you out and throw you out on the street, is that depriving you of your "liberty"? Because after that, you're "free" to go anywhere, just not my house. Or are you claiming that any trespasser has a right to take up residence in my house? 'Cause that's what I get out of your ridiculous statement.

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SGG has been on quite the rant lately. Except every post he has in his delusional rant he makes a new thread. Some people really should stay on their meds.

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A few thoughts regarding your comment above.
You could always ignore my comments, responses and threads, etc.
If I want to create a thousand threads, that's my business. What are you?
the thread police!

I took some time to do a little digging:
Since May 2, 2018 until Today (June 26, 2018) I ran the numbers on threads
submitted by You, me and Sigs. Here are the results.

JSF = 20 threads
Sigs = 20 threads
SGG = 11 threads

Check it and see for yourself.


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Sig and myself have started threads on a variety of subjects.
You post different threads all on the same topic, other than in Cinema.

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I've not only "seen that movie" I've been in it.

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The Drug War Is Pushing More Migrants to Our Borders

Over the last couple of weeks we have been bombarded by news coverage of the US government handling of foreigners illegally crossing the southern border and having their children separated from parents by our government. At first I tried to avoid subjecting myself to this circus, but I have been paying close attention for about a week.

I describe it as a circus because of the hysteria involved. Everyone from the Know- Nothing wing of the Trump party to the ultra-PC progressives, and the libertarians, and even the First Lady Melania Trump have jumped on the emotional roller coaster. The story is all the rage on talk shows and even reporters for NPR, remarkably, have shown audible signs of emotion.

Despite my diligence in reluctantly following this story, without exception there has been no coverage of the reason why these people from Central American are risking their lives during a treacherous journey. They leave all to get to a country where they face our hostile president and government and they don’t even speak the local language. While Mexicans have been crossing into America at least since the US annexed Texas in 1845 and stole the northern half of Mexico in 1848, Central American immigration to the US is a relatively new phenomenon.

If we knew what was causing this new phenomenon of the highly risky immigration we might be able to stop it and end all the hysteria. Yet, the media does not appear to be interested in discovering the cause of this effect. Maybe they are not bright enough to recognize that most effects have causes?
Central American Violence

The direct cause of this migration is violence in their home countries. The level of violence has risen dramatically in this century. According to UN statistics, the Central American country of El Salvador had the highest murder rate in the world with a recorded 83 murders per 100,000 inhabitants in 2016. Its neighbor to the north, Honduras, had the second worst rate at 57. Tiny Belize had the 7th worst rate. Guatemala was 15. th

On a recent excursion into the otherwise tranquil and picturesque country of Costa Rica, I learned that violence and murder were the country’s main problems. The murder rate there is 12, which is slightly worse than Uganda!

Looking at 20 countries with the highest murder rates, 17 are below our southern border in Central America, the Caribbean, and South America. Those facts should give us a strong hint as to what is causing the exodus from Central American countries.
America’s War on Drugs

A big factor here is our own War on Drugs. The production of illegal drugs occurs in large amounts in South and Central America. The US government has used its military and other resources to stop the shipment of these drugs via planes and boats so the smugglers use the jungles and deserts of Central America as a pipeline to the US.

In addition, the drug cartels and kingpins use the tiny Central American countries, where state security services are lightly armed, as their base of operations and for warehousing their drugs, money and weapons.

The cartels use violence and the threat of violence to intimidate the local population and governments. They do not require control over entire countries, but only a small conduit. As a result, the violence is highly concentrated in the areas they wish to have power over. In these places, life outside of the cartels is intolerable. This is the same reason for the hysteria in previous years about children without guardians making the treacherous journey from their homes in Central America to the US on their own.

If you care as much about the immigrant children in US detention centers as much as I do, then you should care at least as much about their frightened, terrorized cousins back in their home country.

Some of you might harbor the idea that a building a wall would stop illegal immigration. It won’t. Others might think that immigration is an inherently evil thing. It is not.

We have it in our power to end this travesty by ending the War on Drugs — which subsidizes and pressures Central American and South American governments into maintaining prohibition. This, in turn, enriches the cartels.

Ending the War on Drugs would go a long way to bring down high rates of violence and murder. Life in Central America would then return to some state of normalcy. With this, there would also be a big increase in foreign investment which would create jobs in those countries. In fact, this would also be a huge spur for immigration into Central America from North America and Europe creating even more service and construction jobs.

Meanwhile, trust your free market instincts and don’t trust the political process and the mainstream media for answers.

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Due Process (submitted) 6/25 - (last Post) 6/28
Immigrant Policy change 6/23 - 6/24
Baby Jails 6/20 - 6/28
Internment Camps 6/14 - 6/14

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Scumbag 6/20 - 6/29
NYAG Sues 6/16 - 6/22
Wake-Up Call 6/14 - 6/22

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Due Process (submitted) 6/25 - (last Post) 6/28
Immigrant Policy change 6/23 - 6/24
Baby Jails 6/20 - 6/28
Internment Camps 6/14 - 6/14

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These are all about Trump's response to illegal immigration. IMHO it would have been better in one thread, not four.

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NYAG Sues 6/16 - 6/22
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THESE could be classified under a more general heading of "WHY I HATE TRUMP".

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"No, you're just deflecting. We're talking about Trump wanting to eliminate due process."

I'm discussing the TOPIC, which in part is the right to due process and Constitutional protections. How meaningful is that right in general?

If Obama deprives actual US citizens of due process and Constitutional protections, do you think it's a problem?

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First of all "If Obama" is totally hypothetical so apparently he didn't. Seocndly,"The 1951 Refugee Convention gives migrants the right to apply for asylum in the United States, regardless of whether they entered or remained in the country legally or illegally."

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"No, you're just deflecting. We're talking about Trump wanting to eliminate due process."

I'm discussing the TOPIC, which in part is the right to due process and Constitutional protections. How meaningful is that right in general?

If Obama deprives actual US citizens of due process and Constitutional protections, do you think it's a problem?

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First of all "If Obama" is totally hypothetical so apparently he didn't. Seocndly,"The 1951 Refugee Convention gives migrants the right to apply for asylum in the United States, regardless of whether they entered or remained in the country legally or illegally."

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