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Saturday, March 3, 2018 7:22 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: 2 fatally shot at Central Michigan University dorm; suspected gunman still at large, police say https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-fatally-shot-at-central-michigan-university-dorm-suspected-gunman-still-at-large-police-say/ar-BBJMOr1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp T
Saturday, March 3, 2018 7:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: It is very apparent by rappys response to the debate about gun laws that rappy still believes everyone is try to take away his guns. Therefore I want it on the record that I believe him to be ignorant of the facts concerning this topic. In other words, he's a dummy...
Saturday, March 3, 2018 8:29 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: @second - I'm not wrong. Guns haven't killed anyone. Those misusing them, illegally , have. It's just an object...
Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:22 AM
Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:43 AM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:53 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Chicago says " hi ! "
Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Over 1/2 the 'victims' are suicides. Might want to remember that when tossing those #'s around. Want to save lives ? Ban abortions and cars , while you're at it. FAR more deaths w/ those than firearms.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Still don't care. 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere.
Saturday, March 3, 2018 12:11 PM
Saturday, March 3, 2018 12:52 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shooter-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him by TIM STELLOH "Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police. Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung. On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shooter-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him by TIM STELLOH "Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police. Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung. On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."
Quote:Originally posted by second: I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Fairytale about southern slave owners & the 2nd Amendment I'm not wrong on the # of gun deaths being 1/2 or more comprised of suicides.
Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings. I asked you before what specifically/legally could they have done? I don't believe FLA - being the rabid NRA chicken sh*t state that it is - has any provisions for removing guns from even obvious psychos until after they use them. "Does that make sense to you?" That's why there was nothing done - see how that works? A > B > C > D...
Quote: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment. Fine. Cars aren't either and neither will the common sense laws we have on how to use them nor the registration process for using them, like we should have with guns. I'm guessing it's not legal to drive a 50 cal mounted Hummvee through the streets either, right? Pesky common sense laws! Growing up sucks! Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Chicago says " hi ! "Great example of too many illegal guns, thanks!
Saturday, March 3, 2018 2:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: @second - I'm not wrong. Guns haven't killed anyone. Those misusing them, illegally , have. It's just an object... AURaptor, imagine River holding a knife instead of a bent stick. Or better yet, imagine if Superman gathered all firearms and dropped them into the sun. I think knife stabbing deaths will NOT increase by 11,000 per year to compensate for the decrease in gun deaths. Americans are squeamish and there aren’t that many that would knife their victims in the style of The Operative. But the only way to find out what American murderers will actually do is to have fewer shootings and see if knifing increases to match decreased shootings. Number of murder victims in the United States in 2016, by weapon * marks guns * 7,105 Handguns * 3,077 Firearms, type not stated 1,604 Knives or cutting instruments 903 Other weapons or weapons not stated 656 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 472 Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) * 374 Rifles * 262 Shotguns * 186 Other guns 114 Narcotics 107 Fire 98 Strangulation 91 Asphyxiation 11 Poison 9 Drowning 1 Explosives www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
Saturday, March 3, 2018 4:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Fairytale about southern slave owners & the 2nd Amendment I'm not wrong on the # of gun deaths being 1/2 or more comprised of suicides. Before the Bill of Rights was added, AURaptor, there was substantial opposition to the new Constitution because it moved the power to arm the state militias from the states to the federal government. This created a fear that the federal government, by neglecting the upkeep of the militia, could have overwhelming military force at its disposal through its power to maintain a standing army and navy, leading to a confrontation with the states, even a military takeover of a state. That is no Fairytale, AURaptor.
Quote: Technology moved on in the last 200 years, AURaptor, and the Federal government could take down a whole state, even if all the state's citizens had both an AR-15 and a black powder flintlock rifle to "defend freedom" against Washington DC. The 2nd Amendment, as it was written, does not give you the right to radar controlled anti-aircraft guns, which are the guns you'd need to take on the Federal Government in the 21st Century. Maybe James Monroe should have mentioned anti-aircraft weapons and shoulder launched Stinger missiles in the 2nd amendment for the defense of freedom?
Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Technology isn't the issue. Militias carry " weapons of war ", be it 1787 or 2018. THAT'S THE GORRAM POINT ! Not fer shootin' at squirrels or target practice at the range. You attempt to swerve the topic of discussion to the patently absurd w/ your ' radar controlled AA gun ' nonsense. And the defense of the country comes from threats foreign AND domestic, not just " The Federal Gov't ". Though it's clear, the way many in D.C. are acting, it's in direct contrast to the needs and wants of many freedom loving Americans.
Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:25 PM
THGRRI
Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:34 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, March 9, 2018 3:39 PM
Friday, March 9, 2018 3:40 PM
Friday, March 9, 2018 3:57 PM
Saturday, March 10, 2018 5:49 AM
Monday, March 12, 2018 6:53 AM
Monday, March 12, 2018 7:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: In Move That Surprises No One, Trump Caves In to NRA This is such a shocker: The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system, but it backed off President Trump’s earlier call to raise the minimum age to purchase some guns to 21 years old from 18 years old. ….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos. ….The White House plan released Sunday does not address the minimum age for gun purchases. Pressed by reporters about the apparent backtracking, a senior administration official said the age issue was “a state-based discussion right now” and would be explored by DeVos’s commission. Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone?
Monday, March 12, 2018 8:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: In Move That Surprises No One, The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system, ….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos. Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone? Yep - like a swiss watch. https://momsdemandaction.org https://everytown.org/throwthemout/ http://wapo.st/2p7BG1P "SINCE LAST month’s high school massacre in Parkland, Fla., attention has focused on lapses by the FBI, which failed to act on tips that the alleged shooter, Nikolas Cruz, posed an imminent danger. It’s also the case that neighbors, teachers, classmates, acquaintances and local authorities were aware that Mr. Cruz was armed and potentially dangerous, a fact that President Trump noted the day after the killing spree. “Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!” he tweeted. What the president failed to mention is that state law in Florida, as in all but a handful of states, provides no legal procedure that would have allowed people close to Mr. Cruz, or even law enforcement, to ask a court to order the immediate confiscation of his weapons — even if they presented alarming evidence. As Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel told the Miami Herald, “We can’t arrest for something a person is thinking about.” In fact, whether or not Congress adds muscle to gun laws — and it should, by banning military-style weapons, enacting universal background checks and raising the minimum age of firearms purchase to 21 — states need not be impotent in the face of credible threats. Five states — California, Connecticut, Indiana, Washington and Oregon — have enacted “red-flag” laws that empower relatives and close friends, as well as law enforcement officers, to ask judges to issue “gun violence restraining orders.” Had such a recourse been available in Florida, it’s possible that the Parkland rampage could have been averted."
Quote:Originally posted by second: In Move That Surprises No One, The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system, ….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos. Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone?
Monday, March 12, 2018 9:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links? The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
Monday, March 12, 2018 10:23 AM
REAVERFAN
Monday, March 12, 2018 1:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: How do you add images here? The "instructions" don't work.
Monday, March 12, 2018 1:55 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, March 12, 2018 3:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote: This year looks to be about on track with 2015 and 2017. Sadly, but expectedly, Trump is courting his base. So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
Monday, March 12, 2018 3:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links? The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links? How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically. A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.? Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?
Monday, March 12, 2018 3:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links? The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links? How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically. A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.? Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?So, you posting lies is the Fault of Everybody Else? Is the underlying concept of just being honest totally foreign to you?
Monday, March 12, 2018 5:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links? The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links? How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically. A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.? Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?So, you posting lies is the Fault of Everybody Else? Is the underlying concept of just being honest totally foreign to you?I honestly have no clue what the hell you are talking about about 80% of the time, and I have no interest, patience or time to figure it out. Cheers.
Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:37 AM
Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's not really gun laws man... and it's not really something to celebrate. Around $60 million of that $400 million is going to go to psych evaluations and firearms training for part time teachers and coaches. It also allows ROTCs to handle firearms inside of schools. For some reason, the only full time teachers that will be able to carry firearms are those with previous military service. These individuals aren't being forced to carry a firearm. It is an opt-in program at every level. You should actually read where that $400 million is going to go. This is not something to celebrate from where I stand. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:59 PM
Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We spend a lot of time and money making "safe spaces" at colleges for grown adults who have been babied all of their lives from bullies, but we can't make school actual safe spaces from bullets? We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it. It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We spend a lot of time and money making "safe spaces" at colleges for grown adults who have been babied all of their lives from bullies, but we can't make school actual safe spaces from bullets? We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it. It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun. Do Right, Be Right. :)Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein. One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.
Wednesday, March 21, 2018 12:16 PM
Wednesday, March 21, 2018 1:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it. It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein. One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns. I can't tell if you're joking or not. If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person. I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it. It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein. One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it. It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it. It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein. One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns. I can't tell if you're joking or not. If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person. I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference. Do Right, Be Right. :)I understand your Comprehension Fail. Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals. My most read book by him is the non-fiction Marine Corps Story. He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy. His brother became Major General in National Guard. One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished. The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes. Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers. Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.
Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it. It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein. One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns. I can't tell if you're joking or not. If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person. I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference. Do Right, Be Right. :)I understand your Comprehension Fail. Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals. He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy. His brother became Major General in National Guard. One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished. The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes. Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers. Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.Yep. Instead of drug addled degenerate managers, I'll have jackboot thugs on the government payroll that tell me what to do with the threat of a bullet in the face if I don't agree with their management style. Perfect solution. I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with that when GWB or Trump were in control of the country. What about when Obama and Clinton are in control of the country and the wind is blowing the other way? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it. It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein. One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns. I can't tell if you're joking or not. If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person. I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference. Do Right, Be Right. :)I understand your Comprehension Fail. Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals. He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy. His brother became Major General in National Guard. One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished. The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes. Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers. Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.
Wednesday, March 21, 2018 4:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quoted for preservation.
Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I remember the good old days when it was me and the Democrats fighting against GWB and the Patriot Act and Central Databases and the like. Funny how easily a decade can change everything. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I remember the good old days when it was me and the Democrats fighting against GWB and the Patriot Act and Central Databases and the like. Funny how easily a decade can change everything. Do Right, Be Right. :)You might be confused. That was Hilliary illegally compiling a database of legal and lawful firearm owners. Well before Bush43 stopped her.
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