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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:33 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

OMG !! GUNS !!!

Guns aren't the problem. In fact, lack of guns were the problem, as no one could defend themselves. Gun Free Zone. My muscular buttocks. Caged pen for 1 lone hunter is all it was.

I think you truly understand the problem and you have a good idea that you haven't expressed in enough detail, AURaptor. The students need school issued Glocks, same as books. Everybody gets one, but at the end of the school year, the students return the Glocks to their teachers.



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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:38 AM

AURAPTOR

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How about following up on blatant warning signs where the FBI and local cops knew, but didn't do 1 damn thing ?

Your totally sarcastic and non serious reply are also the problem.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about following up on blatant warning signs where the FBI and local cops knew, but didn't do 1 damn thing ?

Your totally sarcastic and non serious reply are also the problem.

How about this for sarcastic? I've never met a Texas Republican gun-owner who believed anything other than that guns need to be more freely available, not less. The justification is that guns don't kill people; people kill people. More people with more guns firing more rounds per minute means more safety and happiness for everyone except those libtards that want to take our guns and freedom!

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:37 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Guns aren't the problem. In fact, lack of guns were the problem, as no one could defend themselves. Gun Free Zone. My muscular buttocks. Caged pen for 1 lone hunter is all it was.



Ok, your muscular buttocks then. There was an armed security guard at the school - guess we need more. How many? 1 per classroom? That wouldn't have been enough. Maybe 2 on all exits/entrances? 1 guy with an AR could take them out pretty easy. Or just wait until the kids line up for the bus and mow them down. Maybe 10, 20, 25 per school? Times how many schools... lessee nuthin' times nuthin' carry the zero... How fast do you think freaks and loosers would be applying for that job?

Guns are definitely a big part of the problem.
Mentally damaged people are definitely a big part of the problem.
Lack of doing ANYTHING is a huge part of the problem.
NRA and blood money is also a huge part of the problem. Not exactly a Democracy when representatives' votes are bought and paid for, is it? When an overwhelming number of people want their representatives to represent their desires and they don't, then I guess it's time to replace them.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Guns aren't the problem. In fact, lack of guns were the problem, as no one could defend themselves. Gun Free Zone. My muscular buttocks. Caged pen for 1 lone hunter is all it was.



Ok, your muscular buttocks then. There was an armed security guard at the school - guess we need more. How many? 1 per classroom? That wouldn't have been enough. Maybe 2 on all exits/entrances? 1 guy with an AR could take them out pretty easy. Or just wait until the kids line up for the bus and mow them down. Maybe 10, 20, 25 per school? Times how many schools... lessee nuthin' times nuthin' carry the zero... How fast do you think freaks and loosers would be applying for that job?

Guns are definitely a big part of the problem.
Mentally damaged people are definitely a big part of the problem.
Lack of doing ANYTHING is a huge part of the problem.
NRA and blood money is also a huge part of the problem. Not exactly a Democracy when representatives' votes are bought and paid for, is it? When an overwhelming number of people want their representatives to represent their desires and they don't, then I guess it's time to replace them.



We have mentally ill people with weapons of mass destruction. We have people who for whatever reason lose it, who have weapons of mass destruction. We have terrorists who want these weapons of mass destruction. And rappy, who at one point here actually suggested we put the doctors in jail.

G, you are trying to have a conversation with someone who has the intellect of a slug. I know, it's something to do, I'm guilty of it myself, but eventually we always find ourselves having to call him and others like him a moron.



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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:19 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about following up on blatant warning signs where the FBI and local cops knew, but didn't do 1 damn thing ?

Your totally sarcastic and non serious reply are also the problem.

How about this for sarcastic? I've never met a Texas Republican gun-owner who believed anything other than that guns need to be more freely available, not less. The justification is that guns don't kill people; people kill people. More people with more guns firing more rounds per minute means more safety and happiness for everyone except those libtards that want to take our guns and freedom!



Pretty much , yeah. Sounds about right.

So what's your point ?

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


By some clowns here, a pressure cooker or a rented moving truck is a ' weapon of mass destruction '.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:03 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Pretty much , yeah. Sounds about right.

So what's your point ?

That Republicans are lying sacks of shit? I have documentation: So what is a rightwing media apparatus dedicated to the maintenance of unrestricted access to powerful assault weapons to do?

By and large, the answer has been to attack the students, along with anyone who offers them a platform or any other form of support. The nature of such attack has varied with the self-perceived seriousness of the outlet, but almost the entirety of the right has joined in. Unremitting support for the current interpretation of the second amendment and the advocacy of the NRA is one of the signal issues that unites them.

The sleaziest and most direct attacks on individual students have come from the right’s more conspiratorial fringe. On Jim Hoft’s pro-Trump, conspiracy-minded website, Gateway Pundit, Lucian Wintrich performed a hatchet job on David Hogg, suggesting that he was “heavily coached on lines and is merely reciting a script”. Wintrich once told the Guardian that he learned about the perfidy of the left while attending Bard College. In his new piece, he claimed that because Hogg’s father works for the FBI, he may well be part of a broader anti-Trump conspiracy.

Gateway Pundit has been retweeted by Donald Trump senior and junior in the past, and they were trying their best last year to get White House Press Corps accreditation.

Conspiracy kingpin Alex Jones, who once told Piers Morgan that “1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms,” published a similar attack on his Infowars website. His minions trawled through Hogg’s past, unrelated media appearances, saying that they “raised questions”. The piece then quoted one of their bevy of retired military “experts” who had appeared on Infowars, who repeated the FBI conspiracy theory, claiming that the bureau “has been hiring Social Justice Warriors for years”.

It’s not that Jones doesn’t want to hear from students at all. The site, and Jones show, has highlighted commentary from a witness who claimed that there was a second shooter, and gave a lot of airtime to another who bolstered Jones’s now-reflexive “false flag” take on any given massacre. They just don’t want to hear from any who think that others should be spared the trauma they have endured through some measure of gun control.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/20/how-rightwing-media-is-already
-attacking-florida-teens-speaking-out

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The GOP haven't lied one damn bit. You're the one lying here, as you make a tragedy into your own political movement.

How scummy does one have to be to prey on the emotionally charged psyche of traumatized teens?

That's garbage level human stuff for sure

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The GOP haven't lied one damn bit. You're the one lying here, as you make a tragedy into your own political movement.

How scummy does one have to be to prey on the emotionally charged psyche of traumatized teens?

That's garbage level human stuff for sure.

Hey AURaptor! If the GOP has not lied, then it is human members of that organization that have lied. Does that make AURaptor feel better?

Rush Limbaugh, the ultimate Republican, has gone crazy with his accusations, as have other Republicans. From more mainstream voices like Rush Limbaugh and a commentator on CNN — the students are being portrayed not as grief-ridden survivors but as pawns and conspiracists intent on exploiting a tragedy to undermine the nation’s laws.

In these baseless accounts, which by Tuesday had spread rapidly on social media, the students are described as “crisis actors,” who travel to the sites of shootings to instigate fury against guns. Or they are called F.B.I. plants, defending the bureau for its failure to catch the shooter. They have been portrayed as puppets being coached and manipulated by the Democratic Party, gun control activists, the so-called antifa movement and the left-wing billionaire George Soros.

Donald J. Trump Jr. liked a pair of tweets that accused David Hogg, a 17-year-old who is among the most outspoken of the Parkland students, of criticizing the Trump administration in an effort to protect his father, whom Mr. Hogg has described as a retired F.B.I. agent.

Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist behind the site Infowars, suggested that the mass shooting was a “false flag” orchestrated by anti-gun groups. Mr. Limbaugh, on his radio program, said of the student activists on Monday: “Everything they’re doing is right out of the Democrat Party’s various playbooks. It has the same enemies: the N.R.A. and guns.”

In an on-air appearance, Jack Kingston, a former United States representative from Georgia and a regular CNN commentator, asked, “Do we really think — and I say this sincerely — do we really think 17-year-olds on their own are going to plan a nationwide rally?” (He was quickly rebuked by the anchor Alyson Camerota.)

Conspiracies, wild and raw online, are often pasteurized on their way into the mainstream. A subtler version of the theory appeared Tuesday on the website of Bill O’Reilly, the ousted Fox News host. Mr. O’Reilly stopped short of saying the students had been planted by anti-Trump forces. But, he wrote: “The national press believes it is their job to destroy the Trump administration by any means necessary. So if the media has to use kids to do that, they’ll use kids.”

Some of those who have been spreading the conspiracies are facing consequences.

Benjamin Kelly, an aide to a Florida state representative, Shawn Harrison, emailed a Tampa Bay Times reporter on Tuesday accusing Mr. Hogg and a classmate, Emma Gonzalez, of being actors that travel to the sites of crises.

Mr. Kelly was soon fired.

“I made a mistake whereas I tried to inform a reporter of information relating to his story regarding a school shooting,” Mr. Kelly tweeted. “I meant no disrespect to the students or parents of Parkland.” His boss, Mr. Harrison, said on Twitter that he was “appalled” by Mr. Kelly’s remarks.

But by Tuesday evening, a new conspiracy was dominating Gateway Pundit’s home page. “Soros-Linked Organizers of ‘Women’s March’ Selected Anti-Trump Kids to Be Face of Parkland Tragedy,” read the headline.

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Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:32 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The GOP haven't lied one damn bit. You're the one lying here, as you make a tragedy into your own political movement.

How scummy does one have to be to prey on the emotionally charged psyche of traumatized teens?

That's garbage level human stuff for sure.

Hey AURaptor! If the GOP has not lied, then it is human members of that organization that have lied. Does that make AURaptor feel better?

Rush Limbaugh, the ultimate Republican, has gone crazy with his accusations, as have other Republicans. From more mainstream voices like Rush Limbaugh and a commentator on CNN — the students are being portrayed not as grief-ridden survivors but as pawns and conspiracists intent on exploiting a tragedy to undermine the nation’s laws.

In these baseless accounts, which by Tuesday had spread rapidly on social media, the students are described as “crisis actors,” who travel to the sites of shootings to instigate fury against guns. Or they are called F.B.I. plants, defending the bureau for its failure to catch the shooter. They have been portrayed as puppets being coached and manipulated by the Democratic Party, gun control activists, the so-called antifa movement and the left-wing billionaire George Soros.

Donald J. Trump Jr. liked a pair of tweets that accused David Hogg, a 17-year-old who is among the most outspoken of the Parkland students, of criticizing the Trump administration in an effort to protect his father, whom Mr. Hogg has described as a retired F.B.I. agent.

Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist behind the site Infowars, suggested that the mass shooting was a “false flag” orchestrated by anti-gun groups. Mr. Limbaugh, on his radio program, said of the student activists on Monday: “Everything they’re doing is right out of the Democrat Party’s various playbooks. It has the same enemies: the N.R.A. and guns.”

In an on-air appearance, Jack Kingston, a former United States representative from Georgia and a regular CNN commentator, asked, “Do we really think — and I say this sincerely — do we really think 17-year-olds on their own are going to plan a nationwide rally?” (He was quickly rebuked by the anchor Alyson Camerota.)

Conspiracies, wild and raw online, are often pasteurized on their way into the mainstream. A subtler version of the theory appeared Tuesday on the website of Bill O’Reilly, the ousted Fox News host. Mr. O’Reilly stopped short of saying the students had been planted by anti-Trump forces. But, he wrote: “The national press believes it is their job to destroy the Trump administration by any means necessary. So if the media has to use kids to do that, they’ll use kids.”

Some of those who have been spreading the conspiracies are facing consequences.

Benjamin Kelly, an aide to a Florida state representative, Shawn Harrison, emailed a Tampa Bay Times reporter on Tuesday accusing Mr. Hogg and a classmate, Emma Gonzalez, of being actors that travel to the sites of crises.

Mr. Kelly was soon fired.

“I made a mistake whereas I tried to inform a reporter of information relating to his story regarding a school shooting,” Mr. Kelly tweeted. “I meant no disrespect to the students or parents of Parkland.” His boss, Mr. Harrison, said on Twitter that he was “appalled” by Mr. Kelly’s remarks.

But by Tuesday evening, a new conspiracy was dominating Gateway Pundit’s home page. “Soros-Linked Organizers of ‘Women’s March’ Selected Anti-Trump Kids to Be Face of Parkland Tragedy,” read the headline.



100's of thousands of views on some of these "child tragedy actor" videos. One has to be exceptionally stupid not to see that right there, right in front of them, the power of using social media to influence Hearts and Minds. By anyone. In other words, you can see why Russia did what they did and the power and reach of it. I actually give them a ton of "credit" for doing so "well played" - if you want to f*ck with a free society it's a wide open, target rich opportunity.

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Thursday, February 22, 2018 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

. . . if you want to f*ck with a free society it's a wide open, target rich opportunity.

If you are the American President, you can really f*ck with a free society in ways impossible for a Russian. I have not yet met a Texas Republican that can understand that sentence. Given enough years of turmoil, perhaps one or two will comprehend :

The vicissitudes of the ongoing investigation into the Russian government’s 2016 information operation and possible ties to the Trump campaign have prompted the development of a number of baroque and inaccurate conspiracy theories that attempt to paint the FBI — that has never in its entire history had a Democrat serve as director — as the epicenter of a deep state conspiracy to take down the Trump administration.

Trump himself leaned into one attack on the FBI by suggesting that the counterintelligence probe of Russia had somehow prevented the Miami Field Office from preempting the Parkland shooting.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!
10:08 PM - Feb 17, 2018

It’s unclear how this would work since there’s no relevant fungibility of FBI resources, and under the lax gun rules Trump favors there’s nothing the FBI could have done to stop the killer from stockpiling guns and ammunition anyway.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/22/17036018/parkland-conspiracy
-theories

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Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:05 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


This is a gun.



This is a killing machine.......




SGG

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just some more anti-gun, SJW liberal rubbish.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:10 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


You're Rappy..............THIS IS A GUN!



I betcha people will scamper when I show up with this baby!


SGG


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
By some clowns here, a pressure cooker or a rented moving truck is a ' weapon of mass destruction '.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.


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Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:36 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Worth repeating:

Originally posted by second:
"... the FBI — that has never in its entire history had a Democrat serve as director — as the epicenter of a deep state conspiracy to take down the Trump administration."

Originally tweeted by Trump:
"They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion."

He's demented, clearly. There are some 30,000 employees at the FBI. Perhaps he thinks ALL OF THEM are working on "the Russia thing?" With his level of paranoia I wouldn't be surprised, OR he thinks his base is so stupid that they will believe that, OR both.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 8:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Worth repeating:

Originally posted by second:
"... the FBI — that has never in its entire history had a Democrat serve as director — as the epicenter of a deep state conspiracy to take down the Trump administration."

Originally tweeted by Trump:
"They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion."

He's demented, clearly. There are some 30,000 employees at the FBI. Perhaps he thinks ALL OF THEM are working on "the Russia thing?" With his level of paranoia I wouldn't be surprised, OR he thinks his base is so stupid that they will believe that, OR both.

On Wednesday, after listening to the heart-rending stories of those who lost children and friends in the Parkland school shooting — while holding a cue card with empathetic-sounding phrases — Donald Trump proposed his answer: arming schoolteachers.

It says something about the state of our national discourse that this wasn’t even among the vilest, stupidest reactions to the atrocity. No, those honors go to the assertions by many conservative figures that bereaved students were being manipulated by sinister forces, or even that they were paid actors.

Still, Trump’s horrible idea, taken straight from the N.R.A. playbook, was deeply revealing — and the revelation goes beyond issues of gun control. What’s going on in America right now isn’t just a culture war. It is, on the part of much of today’s right, a war on the very concept of community, of a society that uses the institution we call government to offer certain basic protections to all its members.

Before I get there, let me remind you of the obvious: We know very well how to limit gun violence, and arming civilians isn’t part of the answer.

No other advanced nation experiences frequent massacres the way we do. Why? Because they impose background checks for prospective gun owners, limit the prevalence of guns in general and ban assault weapons that allow a killer to shoot dozens of people before he (it’s always a he) can be taken down. And yes, these regulations work.

Take the case of Australia, which used to experience occasional American-style gun massacres. After a particularly horrific example in 1996, the government banned assault weapons and bought such weapons back from those who already had them. There have been no massacres since.

Meanwhile, anyone who imagines that amateurs packing heat can be counted on to save everyone from a crazed killer with a semiautomatic weapon — as opposed to shooting one another or third parties in the confusion — has seen too many bad action movies.

But as I said, this isn’t just about guns. To see why, consider the very case often used to illustrate how bizarrely we treat guns: how we treat car ownership and operation.

It’s true that it’s much harder to get a driver’s license than it is to buy a lethal weapon, and that we impose many safety standards on our vehicles. And traffic deaths — which used to be far more common than gun deaths — have declined a lot over time.

Yet traffic deaths could and should have fallen a lot more. We know this because, as my colleague David Leonhardt points out, traffic deaths have fallen much more in other advanced countries, which have used evidence-based policies like lower speed limits and tightened standards for drunken driving to improve their outcomes. Think the French are crazy drivers? Well, they used to be — but now they’re significantly safer in their cars than we are.

Oh, and there’s a lot of variation in car safety among states within the U.S., just as there’s a lot of variation in gun violence. America has a “car death belt” in the Deep South and the Great Plains; it corresponds quite closely to the firearms death belt defined by age-adjusted gun death rates. It also corresponds pretty closely to the Trump vote — and also to the states that have refused to expand Medicaid, gratuitously denying health care to millions of their citizens.

What I’d argue is that our lethal inaction on guns, but also on cars, reflects the same spirit that’s causing us to neglect infrastructure and privatize prisons, the spirit that wants to dismantle public education and turn Medicare into a voucher system rather than a guarantee of essential care. For whatever reason, there’s a faction in our country that sees public action for the public good, no matter how justified, as part of a conspiracy to destroy our freedom.


This paranoia strikes both deep and wide. Does anyone remember George Will declaring that liberals like trains, not because they make sense for urban transport, but because they serve the “goal of diminishing Americans’ individualism in order to make them more amenable to collectivism”? And it goes along with basically infantile fantasies about individual action — the “good guy with a gun” — taking the place of such fundamentally public functions as policing.

Anyway, this political faction is doing all it can to push us toward becoming a society in which individuals can’t count on the community to provide them with even the most basic guarantees of security — security from crazed gunmen, security from drunken drivers, security from exorbitant medical bills (which every other advanced country treats as a right, and does in fact manage to provide).

In short, you might want to think of our madness over guns as just one aspect of the drive to turn us into what Thomas Hobbes described long ago: a society “wherein men live without other security than what their own strength and their own invention shall furnish them.” And Hobbes famously told us what life in such a society is like: “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.”

Yep, that sounds like Trump’s America.

www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/opinion/guns-nasty-brutish-trump.html

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Friday, February 23, 2018 9:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


second - I don't give one damn how hysterical you get, how many names you call me, the NRA, the GOP , or any conservative, the facts are, they did NOTHING wrong.

Get that through your skull.

It was the local PD, the FBI and the on site " resource officer " who allowed ALL OF THIS to happen.

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So, here’s what we know.
We know the FBI was warned specifically about the Parkland shooter not once, but twice – and did nothing.

We know the Broward County Sheriff’s deputies were called to the home of the Parkland shooter at least 39 times since 2010.

We know that the Broward County Sheriff’s Office was warned multiple times about the Parkland shooter.

We know that an armed officer was present during the shooting and did nothing – and that JROTC students showed far more courage.

And yet we are told that the solution to mass shootings is for law-abiding citizens to give more authority to the authorities that failed, and to turn over our only way of protecting ourselves?

Why in the world would a single law-abiding gun owner hand over his or her weapon to the same authorities that did nothing to protect the children of Parkland? Why would a single law-abiding gun owner turn over his or her capacity for self-defense to people who were incapable of defending children at every step of the way?

And why in the world should we blame the NRA, which literally had nothing to do with Parkland, for the failures of every institutional barrier to a massacre? Why should we blame law-abiding gun owners who didn’t shoot up kids for the failures of those who are paid to do stop evil monsters like the Parkland shooter? Why should we take Sheriff Steve Israel seriously when he blames lack of gun control, Dana Loesch, and the NRA, rather than his own radical incompetence and the radical incompetence of those under his authority?

Children are dead not because millions of good citizens own AR-15s, but because dozens of pathetic incompetents and cowards in a position to do something instead did nothing. All the misdirection in the world isn’t going to change that inconvenient fact.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/27491/every-single-government-authority
-failed-parkland-ben-shapiro



Those are the facts. You can try as hard as you want to make this tragedy an opportunity to promote your pre-existing agenda, but it's not ever going to work.

Realize that.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 9:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You're Rappy..............THIS IS A GUN!



I betcha people will scamper when I show up with this baby!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
By some clowns here, a pressure cooker or a rented moving truck is a ' weapon of mass destruction '.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.




Do it. I dare you.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 9:51 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Can I get some clarification on some of these?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, here’s what we know.
We know the FBI was warned specifically about the Parkland shooter not once, but twice – and did nothing.



What could they have done legally? For all the talk of "mental health" I'm not sure FLA has anything in place to "do something."

And what would that something be? Take his guns away? Are you kidding? The NRA wouldn't go for that would they?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
We know the Broward County Sheriff’s deputies were called to the home of the Parkland shooter at least 39 times since 2010.

We know that the Broward County Sheriff’s Office was warned multiple times about the Parkland shooter.



Yeah, saw that on CNN - again though - what could they have done? Put him in jail? I don't think they have the legal authority or they would have.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
We know that an armed officer was present during the shooting and did nothing – and that JROTC students showed far more courage.



So proof a "good guy with a gun" is a fallacy - check. And now they want to try "teacher with a gun."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And yet we are told that the solution to mass shootings is for law-abiding citizens to give more authority to the authorities that failed, and to turn over our only way of protecting ourselves?

Why in the world would a single law-abiding gun owner hand over his or her weapon to the same authorities that did nothing to protect the children of Parkland? Why would a single law-abiding gun owner turn over his or her capacity for self-defense to people who were incapable of defending children at every step of the way?



Wow - this one needs a lot of unpacking because I have no clue what you are referencing. Where did anyone suggest any of that, "turn over his or her capacity for self-defense" or "turn over our only way of protecting ourselves" - that sounds like major hyperbole bro.

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And why in the world should we blame the NRA, which literally had nothing to do with Parkland, for the failures of every institutional barrier to a massacre? Why should we blame law-abiding gun owners who didn’t shoot up kids for the failures of those who are paid to do stop evil monsters like the Parkland shooter? Why should we take Sheriff Steve Israel seriously when he blames lack of gun control, Dana Loesch, and the NRA, rather than his own radical incompetence and the radical incompetence of those under his authority?



I'd take Israel seriously because he's a long time cop and was there. The NRA is so quick to say "cops are always telling me great job," and then denigrate them in the next breath - can't have it both ways. That's typical NRA double talk, no surprise.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Children are dead not because millions of good citizens own AR-15s, but because dozens of pathetic incompetents and cowards in a position to do something instead did nothing. All the misdirection in the world isn’t going to change that inconvenient fact.



There's lots of blame to go around. Better laws so this kid could have gotten treatment, so these cops and FBI could have mandated that treatment, AND make it so he never could have gotten close to any gun - that would be a good, common sense start don't you think?

Right now - I'm so glad the NRA is holding fast to "we don't have to do shit! It's EVERYONE else's problem!" because they look so bad next to these young people. The NRA is taking hits, loosing sponsors - tide is turning on them.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 10:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
second - I don't give one damn how hysterical you get, how many names you call me, the NRA, the GOP , or any conservative, the facts are, they did NOTHING wrong.

Get that through your skull.

It was the local PD, the FBI and the on site " resource officer " who allowed ALL OF THIS to happen.

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So, here’s what we know.
We know the FBI was warned specifically about the Parkland shooter not once, but twice – and did nothing.

We know the Broward County Sheriff’s deputies were called to the home of the Parkland shooter at least 39 times since 2010.

We know that the Broward County Sheriff’s Office was warned multiple times about the Parkland shooter.

We know that an armed officer was present during the shooting and did nothing – and that JROTC students showed far more courage.

And yet we are told that the solution to mass shootings is for law-abiding citizens to give more authority to the authorities that failed, and to turn over our only way of protecting ourselves?

Why in the world would a single law-abiding gun owner hand over his or her weapon to the same authorities that did nothing to protect the children of Parkland? Why would a single law-abiding gun owner turn over his or her capacity for self-defense to people who were incapable of defending children at every step of the way?

And why in the world should we blame the NRA, which literally had nothing to do with Parkland, for the failures of every institutional barrier to a massacre? Why should we blame law-abiding gun owners who didn’t shoot up kids for the failures of those who are paid to do stop evil monsters like the Parkland shooter? Why should we take Sheriff Steve Israel seriously when he blames lack of gun control, Dana Loesch, and the NRA, rather than his own radical incompetence and the radical incompetence of those under his authority?

Children are dead not because millions of good citizens own AR-15s, but because dozens of pathetic incompetents and cowards in a position to do something instead did nothing. All the misdirection in the world isn’t going to change that inconvenient fact.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/27491/every-single-government-authority
-failed-parkland-ben-shapiro



Those are the facts. You can try as hard as you want to make this tragedy an opportunity to promote your pre-existing agenda, but it's not ever going to work.

Realize that.




We also know in some cases the law prevents the police from doing anything more than looking into it. That's one thing we want to fix. We know this kid was able to buy an assault riffle. We know the category of the gun says it all, assault.

Some of us here can think, and those of us who can realize this is about much more than this one shooting.

We also know that people make mistakes as so many did here. When they do, and they will again, it's best you can no longer purchase an assault riffle with massive magazines.





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Friday, February 23, 2018 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
second - I don't give one damn how hysterical you get, how many names you call me, the NRA, the GOP , or any conservative, the facts are, they did NOTHING wrong.

Get that through your skull.

It was the local PD, the FBI and the on site " resource officer " who allowed ALL OF THIS to happen.

Those are the facts.

The fact is that 24 FBI agents, fielding phone calls from Americans worried about crazy people with guns, can't police the whole country. The entire FBI, all thousands of agents, can't police the whole country. The 1.1 million police are not enough, either. Anyone like AURaptor or NRA who imagines that amateurs packing heat can be counted on to save everyone from a crazed killer with a semiautomatic weapon — as opposed to shooting one another or third parties in the confusion — has seen too many bad action movies.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

You can try as hard as you want to make this tragedy an opportunity to promote your pre-existing agenda, but it's not ever going to work.

Realize that.

Realize that what you are saying goes along with basically infantile fantasies about individual action — the “good guy with a gun” — taking the place of such fundamentally public functions as policing.

Anyway, your political faction is doing all it can to push us toward becoming a society in which individuals can’t count on the community to provide them with even the most basic guarantees of security — security from crazed gunmen, security from drunken drivers, security from exorbitant medical bills (which every other advanced country treats as a right, and does in fact manage to provide).

Take the case of Australia, which used to experience occasional American-style gun massacres. After a particularly horrific example in 1996, the government banned assault weapons and bought such weapons back from those who already had them. There have been no massacres since.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
By some clowns here, a pressure cooker or a rented moving truck is a ' weapon of mass destruction '.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.



This rappy, this is how it works.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 12:11 PM

THGRRI


Because MSNBC videos are easy for me to post here, and because they are leading the way in protecting our democracy, I will continue to display their videos here and links to, because they counter the fake arguments being made here by trolls.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/final-thoughts-for-friday-febru
ary-23-1168602179915



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Friday, February 23, 2018 1:13 PM

THGRRI


NRA backlash: Major bank and car-rental giant are ending partnerships

Companies may be starting to rethink their ties to the National Rifle Association in the wake of last week’s massacre at a Florida high school, with a major bank and car-rental giant announcing Thursday they were dropping partnership programs with the NRA.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/nra-backlash-major-bank-and-
car-rental-giant-are-ending-partnerships/ar-BBJtRte?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp



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Friday, February 23, 2018 1:16 PM

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Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Do it. I dare you.

The dare that Marco Rubio took. It ended with him castrated on TV.

Fred Guttenberg, a father whose fourteen-year-old daughter, Jaime, was one of seventeen people shot to death last Wednesday, fixed his gaze on U.S. senator Marco Rubio — a Republican with an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association. Guttenberg said that Rubio’s comments about the shooting “and those of your President this week have been pathetically weak.” The audience erupted in furious agreement—an angry, standing ovation. Rubio — ashen, unmanned — had no response.

Guttenberg continued, “So you and I are now eye to eye. Because I want to like you. Look at me and tell me. Guns were the factor in the hunting of our kids in this school this week. And look at me and tell me you accept it and you will work with us to do something about guns.”

Rubio might not have shown up at all. Florida’s governor, Rick Scott, did not, and he was mocked several times during the event for not having the courage to attend. (Chris W. Cox, a lobbyist for the N.R.A., has said of Scott, “Rick has signed more pro-gun bills into law in one term than any other governor in Florida history.”) For his part, Rubio — whom the N.R.A. applauds, on its Web site, for opposing “the Obama administration’s efforts to ban firearms, ammunition and magazines, as well as efforts to create a so-called ‘universal’ background check system” — probably figured that he could ease his way around the awkward moments, much as he does on the campaign trail.

He was wrong. While Guttenberg stood waiting, blinking back at him, Rubio responded that the problem “cannot be solved by gun laws alone,” which is the kind of dodge that he and his colleagues routinely make in Washington. It is a phrase that carries the suggestion that, somehow, the question is too simple, too idealistic to be taken seriously. In Washington, reporters ask follow-up questions, of course, but the mood is often decorous and formulaic. This time, Rubio was encircled and out of his usual environment. The crowd jeered him. It whistled. Eventually, Rubio responded that he would support laws raising the minimum age for buying a rifle and banning bump stocks, and said that he was open to discussing limiting large-capacity magazines. He also expressed support for so-called gun-violence restraining orders, a measure popular among gun-control advocates. In the politics of guns, it was a remarkable shift of position — but only if he actually follows through on those commitments.

A few minutes later, a seventeen-year-old junior named Cameron Kasky, one of the founders of the #NeverAgain movement, which is pushing for gun-control reforms, approached Rubio and the other two politicians on the stage, Congressman Ted Deutch and Senator Bill Nelson, both Democrats. He asked Rubio, “Would you refuse to accept donations from the National Rifle Association in the future?”

Rubio, hesitating, settled, eventually, on the idea that he would continue to accept N.R.A. funds because, he said, “people buy into my agenda, and I do support the Second Amendment.” The crowd booed. He added, “I will always accept the help of anyone who agrees with my agenda” — a comment so bland and euphemistic that it only dramatized the corrupt aroma surrounding money, guns, and politics.

As a moment in American politics, the pummelling of Rubio felt like an expression of collective rage at the falseness of so much that happens in Washington: the pivot, the dodge, the pallid follow-up question. Authenticity has rarely been more sought after in our public life — and, at once, so elusive. Accountability — the knowledge that the men and women we elect will act, foremost, in our interest and not that of their donors — is a myth.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 23, 2018 4:24 PM

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Rubio's an idiot. Rick Scott might have been mocked, but nobody is going to remember that 2 weeks from now. Rubio should have just stayed home too. Maybe he was the sacrificial lamb they put up for slaughter though. He certainly doesn't have a way with words. He used "buy my agenda" twice in two sentences. That alone comes off as pretty downright evil under the best of circumstances, of which this is not.

At the end of the day, people will lose interest in this a few weeks from now and nothing will change.

When's the last day you've seen more than a single post on social media about the flooding in Puerto Rico and said to yourself "oh yeah, I remember that happened" and then moved on to the next thing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 23, 2018 4:26 PM

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And I didn't see where Rubio got his balls cut off, Second.

I absolutely love the double standards of the Left. It's alright to talk about a guy getting castrated that they don't like, but imagine if Rappy was talking about some anti-NRA woman saying something stupid and said she had her ovaries removed. Oh, the horror!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 23, 2018 5:33 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And I didn't see where Rubio got his balls cut off, Second.

I absolutely love the double standards of the Left. It's alright to talk about a guy getting castrated that they don't like, but imagine if Rappy was talking about some anti-NRA woman saying something stupid and said she had her ovaries removed. Oh, the horror!

Would you have preferred I called Rubio the dickless senator? Numbnuts Rubio? (that's short for numbskull)?

I am not a shining example to other Democrats, 6ix. I am only a Democrat because the typical Texas Republican voter is a lying sack of shit in my business experience. They think of themselves as brave, honest, upstanding, trustworthy, hardworking citizens. I do not agree. For an example of how I differ from Democrats, yesterday, the Republican Texas Governor stopped the execution of Thomas “Bart” Whitaker. I think this murderer of his own family deserved death. My opinion is not shared by other Democrats. They are more merciful than I.

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There is a Democrat with a 100% rating from the NRA. Democratic voters who can’t remember this about him will be screwed by him. I know of no voters, other than myself, who take notes. Everyone else depends on their fallible memories. Certainly the politicians are also depending on voters' fallible memories.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/23/teen-confronts-dccc-endorsed-candi
date-over-his-100-percent-nra-rating
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Friday, February 23, 2018 6:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The Coward of Broward Co. was no ' good guy '. Had a gun, yes, but he's far from being good.

Real good guys stop bad guys all the freaking time, so sorry, not a 'fallacy '.


The NRA doesn't have to do " shit " , because they weren't the problem, even one little bit. If anything , they're the solution.

But stay duped.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 7:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


BREAKING: CNN Reports FOUR Broward County Deputies Waited Outside School As Children Were Massacred

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27523/breaking-cnn-reports-four-broward
-county-deputies-ben-shapiro?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro


4 Sheriff deputies were standing outside during the turkey shoot inside the school.

Folks, if this isn't a conspiracy to allow this monster to murder as he pleased, then this law enforcement dept is about THE most corrupt and incompetent as there is in the nation.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 23, 2018 7:28 PM

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I'm pretty sure that unless everything is known about a situation that this is the established procedure for any police force, Rap. They don't have a cowboy guns-a-blazing approach to active shooter scenarios. This is good because it protects both the police officers from stupid accidents as well as protects accidental deaths of bystanders getting caught in the crossfire of an unplanned shootout. This isn't a summertime Hollywood Blockbuster movie, and these police officers aren't Special Ops.

I said this is one of the reasons that the people should retain the right to bear arms to protect themselves. Police aren't there to stop active crimes. They're there to be a psychological deterrent beforehand that keeps most people from even entertaining the notion of doing something like this, and in the rest of the cases they're there to clean up the mess afterward. Period.





EDITED TO ADD:

I have a near perfect solution to the problem.

Create a situation where any entrance to the schools have metal detectors and if they go off then both the inner-doors and outer-doors automatically lock, trapping the potential shooter until the authorities can come and pick him up.

This wouldn't help for anybody who is outside of the school at the time, so before or after school starts it wouldn't have any effect, but it would prevent situations where everyone is trapped in rooms like fish in a barrel. I don't think any schools allow students to go outside for lunch time anymore, so the only students who would be outside of the building during school hours would be the ones in gym class.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 23, 2018 7:46 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


* edited *

Bullshit ! This is NOT " established procedure " !!! The a-hole Sheriff has already said that the lone SRO should have gone into the school and confronted the shooter.

Apparently that was the line he gave the media when it looked like the Broward Sheriff's Dept was all too glad to toss just ONE under the bus, hoping the news wouldn't come out.

Now he's got 3 OTHER deputies who sat around and scratched themselves as teenagers and brave teachers were dying.

And THIS is who we're suppose to trust our lives with , cowards like these 4 Barney Fifes ?

* 1 SRO and 3 other deputies , for a total of 4 who did nothing but stand outside while Nikolas murdered 17, and then allowed him to walk right out the building, scot free.

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Friday, February 23, 2018 7:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Guns aren't the problem. In fact, lack of guns were the problem, as no one could defend themselves. Gun Free Zone. My muscular buttocks. Caged pen for 1 lone hunter is all it was.



Therez this plase called Japan....

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Friday, February 23, 2018 8:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


There is this place called Israel...

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Friday, February 23, 2018 8:55 PM

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Quote:

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Bullshit ! This is NOT " established procedure " !!! The a-hole Sheriff has already said that the lone SRO should have gone into the school and confronted the shooter.

Apparently that was the line he gave the media when it looked like the Broward Sheriff's Dept was all too glad to toss just ONE under the bus, hoping the news wouldn't come out.

Now he's got 4 OTHER deputies who sat around and scratched themselves as teenagers and brave teachers were dying.

And THIS is who we're suppose to trust our lives with , cowards like these 5 Barney Fifes ?



Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true. I think you watch too many movies.

Cops are there to clean the mess up afterward.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 7:09 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
BREAKING: CNN Reports FOUR Broward County Deputies Waited Outside School As Children Were Massacred

4 Sheriff deputies were standing outside during the turkey shoot inside the school.

Folks, if this isn't a conspiracy to allow this monster to murder as he pleased, then this law enforcement dept is about THE most corrupt and incompetent as there is in the nation.



You're joking about it being a conspiracy, right?

More like 4/5 people who were out gunned and didn't want to die that day. They probably had families and wanted to see them again. Yeah, I bet a lot of people get pretty selfish (scared shitless) when they hear rounds from a semi auto-matic weapon being fired inside a tile building. It's called being human. Is it one shooter? Probably sounds like half a dozen.
Once again, even more guns didn't do jack. A teacher with a hand gun against an AR? I guess that's one way to save the kids since the shooter will be busy taking out the teacher first. "Thanks Mrs Johnson! Here's you little extra bonus! BTW It says in the contract you signed that in the event of your death we should send it to you kids and that they won't sue the school for reckless endangerment. Thanks for your service!"

BTW does Trump know that when he does a CPAC speech people outside of that auditorium will see it? What a buffoon.

And listening to him "brain storm" a solution to mass shootings.... gasp... the absolute simplicity of him. He needed notes to remember 5 things for his "listening session." His brain is mush. You could see him wanting to get the hell out of that room, "how long is this gonna take! God these people! All they do is complain!" What a fraud. At one point, after seeing a guy reach over and console one of the students who was crying he reached over and did the same thing to a young girl next to him. It was so creepy and fake. He didn't give a shit then and he sure won't now that it's over.

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


4 guns is greater than 1 gun, so your claim that the professionally trained sheriffs deputies were " outgunned " is simply ridiculous.

Sheriff Israel has already stated that the LONE SRO was obligated to go in and face the shooter. He didn't, and has promptly resigned. Best not to face the music on that one, I'm sure.

3 other armed BCS deputies were on hand, and yet NONE acted to coordinate and even attempt to surround the LONE shooter. Cowards. All of them.

JR ROTC cadet Peter Wang stood in the line of fire, saving his fellow classmates, before being taken down by gunfire. 2 other cadets also were killed. Those "professional " good guys w/ a gun stayed outside, behind concrete pillars, and did nothing.

In contrast, off duty cop from Coral Springs PD , wearing a t. shirt and shorts ran TOWARDS the action, and gave immediate help. When HIS agencies officers rolled up, he put on a vest, grabbed a secondary handgun and they went into the school.

But it was too late. The Broward County Cowards had let the shooter waltz out of the school, never even trying to confront him.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:42 AM

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I'm glad you hav finally seen the lite, Aura. The good guy with a gun 'system' iz a failure.

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


These weren't " good guys " . There's something seriously wrong w/ the Broward Co. Sheriff's Dept. Any one of the Coral Park officers would have acted, as well as most others, I'm sure.

Sheriff Israel is a real piece of work. He's the standard big fish in a small pond, thinking he's the "wolf" of the county and the rest of the citizens are mere sheep. HUGE anti-Gun proponent, as well as being pro Hillary. Clear to see he's all about big govt, not so much about the Constitution.

And then there's Deputy Peterson, the SRO who chickened out. He KNEW Nikolas Cruz, and even ran interference on an investigation w/ his case in the past, so it's VERY odd all the inaction going on while everyone knew this kid had a violent past.

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
These weren't " good guys " . There's something seriously wrong w/ the Broward Co. Sheriff's Dept. Any one of the Coral Park officers would have acted, as well as most others, I'm sure.

Sheriff Israel is a real piece of work. He's the standard big fish in a small pond, thinking he's the "wolf" of the county and the rest of the citizens are mere sheep. HUGE anti-Gun proponent, as well as being pro Hillary. Clear to see he's all about big govt, not so much about the Constitution.

And then there's Deputy Peterson, the SRO who chickened out. He KNEW Nikolas Cruz, and even ran interference on an investigation w/ his case in the past, so it's VERY odd all the inaction going on while everyone knew this kid had a violent past.



So... this was all a set-up (likely by Hillary) so that these kids would die spectacularly and make the news which would rile up the liberal anti-gun crazies to bring down... the NRA... Trump? Am I hot/cold?

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
These weren't " good guys " . There's something seriously wrong w/ the Broward Co. Sheriff's Dept. Any one of the Coral Park officers would have acted, as well as most others, I'm sure.

AURaptor, I'm sure you don't know what the fuck: What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns

They weren’t the first victims of a mass shooting the Florida radiologist had seen — but their wounds were radically different.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-v
ictims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937
/

As I opened the CT scan last week to read the next case, I was baffled. The history simply read “gunshot wound.” I have been a radiologist in one of the busiest trauma centers in the nation for 13 years, and have diagnosed thousands of handgun injuries to the brain, lung, liver, spleen, bowel, and other vital organs. I thought that I knew all that I needed to know about gunshot wounds, but the specific pattern of injury on my computer screen was one that I had seen only once before.

In a typical handgun injury that I diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an organ like the liver. To a radiologist, it appears as a linear, thin, grey bullet track through the organ. There may be bleeding and some bullet fragments.

I was looking at a CT scan of one of the victims of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, with extensive bleeding. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?

The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semi-automatic rifle which delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. There was nothing left to repair, and utterly, devastatingly, nothing that could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.

Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim's body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and they do not bleed to death before being transported to our care at a trauma center, chances are, we can save the victim. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different; they travel at higher velocity and are far more lethal. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than, and imparting more than three times the energy of, a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.

I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. I saw one from a man shot in the back by a SWAT team years ago. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat travelling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to a trauma center to receive our care.

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So... this was all a set-up (likely by Hillary) so that these kids would die spectacularly and make the news which would rile up the liberal anti-gun crazies to bring down... the NRA... Trump? Am I hot/cold?



Draw your own conclusions. Those are the facts. One has to , if they're being totally honest, wonder if it's complete incompetence or something else is at play.

Occam's Razor suggest the former.

The father of the family Cruz moved in with is a Military Intelligence consultant, and former military himself, yet claims he knew nothing. I find that staggering. ANY mouth breather who was the least bit concerned w/ his family's welfare would have some general sense of what the background was of a kid who moved in w/ them.

And oh yeah, the mouthpiece for the Leftist agenda, David Hogg, his dad Kevin, is former FBI.

The coincidences, they do start to pile up.

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One last nugget to chew on...

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This is incredible. We already know that not one but four Broward County Sheriff’s Office deputies took up positions outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School rather than enter the school and engage the shooter.

Now, Brian Entin of WSVN in Miami has spoken to an emergency medical responder who was one of the first on the scene and spoke on condition of anonymity...



https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/02/24/we-were-asking-to-go-in-emt
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Kellyanne Conway haz a serious competitor!



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Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:30 PM

JO753

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Herez sumthing to wash the bad taste uv that out uv your brain:



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Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:39 PM

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... stay crunchy...


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Kellyanne Conway haz a serious competitor!

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400 quatloos on the newcomer!

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 6:01 PM

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Herez sumthing to wash the bad taste uv that out uv your brain:



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Don't normally like Samantha Bee but I agree with everything she said in this video.

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Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:03 PM

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Game
Set
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Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:07 PM

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Monday, February 26, 2018 8:32 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:

Arm teachers with handguns.

Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.

Stun grenades in every classroom.

More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.

Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.

I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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