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Monday, February 26, 2018 8:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:

Arm teachers with handguns.

Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.

Stun grenades in every classroom.

More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.

Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.

I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.



For the record, I don't support any of those measures.

Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.

Pick one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 26, 2018 9:10 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:

Arm teachers with handguns.

Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.

Stun grenades in every classroom.

More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.

Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.

I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.



For the record, I don't support any of those measures.

Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.

Pick one.

I think all those Republican proposals for reducing gun massacres are excellent, if the GOP were willing to pay the price. But every one of the proposals are state and local initiatives, with all costs paid locally. It is a smokescreen for GOP inaction on the national level. Delay long enough and the problem will go away. Soon enough, the Massacre will be forgotten. What was the name of that school? Marjory Stoneman Douglas or Mary Stone Davis or was it . . . ? When did this happen? What state . . . ?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, February 26, 2018 9:16 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Google search returns - notice how many days ago these events took place:

Top stories
Lehigh County student allegedly threatened to 'shoot up' high school
lehighvalleylive.com · 2 days ago

Cheshire police arrest, charge high school student with threatening
Meriden Record-Journal · 9 hours ago

Cumberland student arrested after threatening to shoot up high school
WRAL.com · 2 days ago

More for high school students lives threatened:

Godby High School student arrested after threat to 'shoot up' school
https://www.usatoday.com/...high-school-student...threatening...high/3
58623002
/
5 days ago - TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A student at Tallahassee's Godby High School was arrested Wednesday after threatening to "shoot up" the school on an Instagram post, the Leon County Sheriff's Office said. Seventeen-year-old Travis Williams' post read, "I'm going to shoot up amos p godby I swear just wait on ...

Texas student charged after threatening to turn high school into ...
www.foxnews.com/.../texas-student-charged-after-threatening-to-turn-hi
gh-school-into
-...
6 days ago - An 18-year-old student was arrested and charged Monday for threatening to turn his Texas high school into 'another Florida' after he was caught cheating on a test, police said. ... He was booked at the school Monday and charged with making a terroristic threat -- a felony -- while his ...

3 Long Beach high schools threatened with violence, 2 students arrested
http://abc7.com/3-long-beach-high-schools-threatened-with-violence...s
tudents.../3122316
/
4 days ago - Long Beach police say they have responded to threats of violence at three separate high schools, resulting in the arrest of two teens. ... Long Beach police say they have responded to threats of violence at three separate high schools over the last two days, resulting in two teens ...

Schools threaten to punish students who join walkouts over gun ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/us/student-walkout-punishment-trnd/inde
x.html

5 days ago - Students around the country are walking out of class to demand tougher gun laws in response to last week's deadly school shooting in Parkland, ... days and parent notes will not alleviate the discipline," Superintendent Curtis Rhodes said in a statement posted on the Needville High School Facebook page.

Student arrested for threatening violence against Pasco High School ...
https://www.abcactionnews.com/.../student-arrested-for-threatening-vio
lence-against-p
...
5 days ago - Police arrested a Pasco High School student on Tuesday for threatening violence against the school.

There were a lot more. This is out of control. I'd home school if I had a child.

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Monday, February 26, 2018 9:41 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-central-florida-s
chool-safety-threats-20180222-story.html


Central Florida students face school-threat charges after Parkland tragedy

"In the week since a massacre at a South Florida high school claimed the lives of 17 people, more than a dozen children and teenagers have been arrested in Central Florida, accused of threatening local schools.

Authorities say they are taking a strict stance against such incidents, vowing to investigate and prosecute all threats — even when students later claim they were only joking. Several of the students arrested in the past week are facing felony charges.

“Let’s be clear: Their actions have serious consequences and will result in their arrest,” Casselberry Police Chief Larry Krantz said in a statement Thursday, after a 12-year-old girl was arrested as a suspect in threats against three Seminole County schools.

Authorities were made aware of threats the student posted online targeting Casselberry Elementary School, South Seminole Middle School and Sterling Park Elementary School, a police spokesperson said."

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Monday, February 26, 2018 10:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:

Arm teachers with handguns.

Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.

Stun grenades in every classroom.

More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.

Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.

I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.



For the record, I don't support any of those measures.

Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.

Pick one.

I think all those Republican proposals for reducing gun massacres are excellent, if the GOP were willing to pay the price. But every one of the proposals are state and local initiatives, with all costs paid locally. It is a smokescreen for GOP inaction on the national level. Delay long enough and the problem will go away. Soon enough, the Massacre will be forgotten. What was the name of that school? Marjory Stoneman Douglas or Mary Stone Davis or was it . . . ? When did this happen? What state . . . ?



You think they're excellent???

You literally just said they are flat out lunacy. A point that I agreed with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 26, 2018 12:16 PM

THGRRI



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Monday, February 26, 2018 8:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Seems the NRA is " profiting " with a surge in new memberships from all the ill conceived blame and hatred.


Thanks MSNBC and CNN!

Calling for boycotts of those who literally had no blame, what so ever... how's that working out for everyone ?

And those who sidle up w/ the anti NRA witch hunt ? ....

The Facts: Delta Gets Smacked by Georgia for Its NRA Rejection

https://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/erick-erickson/the-facts-delta-g
ets-smacked-by-georgia-for-its-nra-rejection-MXm5-8hYQE-AVJn32huNTw?full=1


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, February 26, 2018 8:33 PM

THGRRI


Parkland student Emma Gonzalez has more followers than NRA days after joining Twitter

A high school senior who survived the mass shooting at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida two weeks ago now has nearly twice as many followers on Twitter as the National Rifle Association.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-student-emma-gonzalez-has-m
ore-followers-than-nra-days-after-joining-twitter/ar-BBJCIyW?ocid=spartanntp


Try a new source rappy. The one you're using isn't quite right in the head.


T

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Monday, February 26, 2018 9:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol. Now there's an experiment in objectivity.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 26, 2018 10:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Parkland student Emma Gonzalez has more followers than NRA days after joining Twitter

A high school senior who survived the mass shooting at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida two weeks ago now has nearly twice as many followers on Twitter as the National Rifle Association.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-student-emma-gonzalez-has-m
ore-followers-than-nra-days-after-joining-twitter/ar-BBJCIyW?ocid=spartanntp


Try a new source rappy. The one you're using isn't quite right in the head.





So, I guess the NRA isn't the ginormous, megalithic, all encompassing power that it's made out to be, right ? Because, like...omg ! Twitter !!

What's my ' source ' have to do w/ anything ? You can't deflect from the actual fact of what happened, can you ? Here in GA, because Delta decided to take action against completely innocent NRA, the GA legislature took a slap at crony capitalism, and chose NOT to renew its tax free status.

Actions have consequences, and Delta chose poorly.

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Monday, February 26, 2018 11:17 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:

Arm teachers with handguns.

Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.

Stun grenades in every classroom.

More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.

Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.

I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.



For the record, I don't support any of those measures.

Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.

Pick one.

I think all those Republican proposals for reducing gun massacres are excellent, if the GOP were willing to pay the price. But every one of the proposals are state and local initiatives, with all costs paid locally. It is a smokescreen for GOP inaction on the national level. Delay long enough and the problem will go away. Soon enough, the Massacre will be forgotten. What was the name of that school? Marjory Stoneman Douglas or Mary Stone Davis or was it . . . ? When did this happen? What state . . . ?



You think they're excellent???

You literally just said they are flat out lunacy. A point that I agreed with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Those suggestions can't be lunacy because all of them came from wise old men of the GOP. Today Trump had another suggestion, which would require a time machine for him: Trump says he would run into Parkland high school “even if I didn’t have a weapon”. This isn’t the first time Trump has alluded to his own heroics.

In 2015, then-candidate Trump rallied a crowd at a campaign stop in Tennessee in the aftermath of a mass shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon.

Trump told the crowd that, as holder of a permit to carry a handgun in New York, an attacker would be “shocked” if he encountered him, and that he would act like Charles Bronson in the 1970s action film Death Wish. He egged the crowd to chant “Death Wish.” He also said that “today you can’t make that movie because it’s not politically correct.” (There’s actually a reboot set to premiere this week with Bruce Willis. www.imdb.com/title/tt1137450/ )

Trump also boasted about his permit to carry in New York at an early GOP debate, when responding to a question about that Oregon shooting. “I have a permit, which his very unusual in New York — a permit to carry,” he said during a CNBC debate in October 2015. “And I do carry on occasion. Sometimes, a lot. But I like to be unpredictable.”

Trump got his wish. Death Wish, the movie, this Friday at a theater near you. Bring your AR-15 to get free popcorn and a large drink!


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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 6:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:


Trump got his wish. Death Wish, the movie, this Friday at a theater near you. Bring your AR-15 to get free popcorn and a large drink!



Remake of a 1973 movie, brought to you by the gun grabbing folks @ Hollywood.

#Hypocrisy

#Bloodontheirhands

#Anythingforabuck




Seriously, you think TRUMP just ordered this movie to be made ? And had it rushed to the screens, all over the country ? Are you TRULY this daft ? Has you TDS reached such epic levels ?

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:

Arm teachers with handguns.

Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.

Stun grenades in every classroom.

More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.

Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.

I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.



For the record, I don't support any of those measures.

Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.

Pick one.

I think all those Republican proposals for reducing gun massacres are excellent, if the GOP were willing to pay the price. But every one of the proposals are state and local initiatives, with all costs paid locally. It is a smokescreen for GOP inaction on the national level. Delay long enough and the problem will go away. Soon enough, the Massacre will be forgotten. What was the name of that school? Marjory Stoneman Douglas or Mary Stone Davis or was it . . . ? When did this happen? What state . . . ?



You think they're excellent???

You literally just said they are flat out lunacy. A point that I agreed with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Those suggestions can't be lunacy because all of them came from wise old men of the GOP.




Na, na, na...

I'm calling you out now. You've given two antithetical statements in one day about the same issue.

No bullshit. Where do you stand on the issue?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:28 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Na, na, na...

I'm calling you out now. You've given two antithetical statements in one day about the same issue.

No bullshit. Where do you stand on the issue?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I own guns and rifles. Is it hypocritical for me to think other people should have less than me? Yes, it is. How much less? Copy the laws from some other nation, maybe Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada

One gun law I would pass is that anyone, including Trump and Florida politicians, who says they would rush into a building where there was gunfire even if they were not armed is that they have to do just that. It is ridiculous to expect Paul Blart: Mal Cop to save students from assassination. It is very heroic if Blart does, but Trump and the Florida GOP politicians are evil to demand that from anyone but a SWAT team.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I own guns and rifles. Is it hypocritical for me to think other people should have less than me? Yes, it is. How much less? Copy the laws from some other nation, maybe Canada.



I don't know exactly what you mean here. Are you saying that you should also have less than you do?

Quote:

One gun law I would pass is that anyone, including Trump and Florida politicians, who says they would rush into a building where there was gunfire even if they were not armed is that they have to do just that. It is ridiculous to expect Paul Blart: Mal Cop to save students from assassination. It is very heroic if Blart does, but Trump and the Florida GOP politicians are evil to demand that from anyone but a SWAT team.


I agree with that. You'll never hear me saying that the cops should have rushed in. In fact, I said the exact opposite and that anybody who blames the cops at the school for not going in guns blazing has watched one too many movies.

I don't know about evil. It's stupid, for sure. Even if they were demanded by law to do so, most of them wouldn't do it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 9:54 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I own guns and rifles. Is it hypocritical for me to think other people should have less than me? Yes, it is. How much less? Copy the laws from some other nation, maybe Canada.



I don't know exactly what you mean here. Are you saying that you should also have less than you do?

I did not think of that, but now that you mention it, maybe I’ve got too many hunting rifles and shotguns. I prefer beef to venison, and never liked duck, and hate trophy heads of antelope, so hunting for food or show has lost its appeal. And my old hunting buddies are getting older, so hunting for socializing is slowly losing its appeal, one death at a time. And I’ve got stories about Obama-and-Hillary-haters killing themselves with their own guns in “hunting accidents”, maybe because of business and tax evasions, which has soured me on the notion that Republicans are generous and stable members of society, not greedy cheaters, liars, and crooks underneath their outward appearance of rectitude.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 10:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I see. So now that you're personal circumstances and tastes have changed and it wouldn't put you out, you have no problem with it.

At least that's only half-hypocritical.



I'm ignoring the second half of the post since it's irrelevant to the conversation and the same could be said of many Democrats, Independents, Communists, Nazis, and those who eschew politics altogether.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:05 AM

THGRRI


Reports cast doubt on 'good guy with a gun' theory in mass shootings

Donohue told ABC News that the research “concluded that allowing citizens to carry handguns seems to increase violent crime 13 to 15 percent by the 10th year” of the laws being enacted in the state.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-nra-backed-theory-good-guy-gun-stops
/story?id=53360480




T

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 3:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 6:18 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.



Except at Parkland... or Newtown... or Las Vegas... or Orlando... or Blacksburg... or Sutherland, TX... or Killeen... or Austin... or... see a pattern? The deadliest mass shootings in US History and where were the good guys? Shooters don't wait or they aren't that stupid. We are the most well armed society on the planet but the only guns that matter are the ones the shooters have.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-h
istory-fast-facts/index.html

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 6:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:59 PM

JO753

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"All the damned time", so why did you haf to dig up a story from 3 yirz ago?

Plus, it wuz a cop, not a civilian gun toter.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:18 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


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Trump signed a bill making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns.


So did Gov. Rick Scott, he has an A+ rating from NRA. Fucking hypocrite.
Have you noticed how much backpedaling he's doing lately? I could see it in his eyes that fateful night 2 weeks ago.

Blood on their hands, indeed.


SGG




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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just some more anti-gun, SJW liberal rubbish.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Good morning, you braying 6ixJackass. Trump signed a bill making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns.

On February 28, 2017, Trump signed a law revoking an Obama-era regulatory initiative that made it harder for people with mental illness to buy a gun.

Yet despite this effort to roll back even a very modest effort to restrain the ability of seriously incapacitated people from obtaining deadly weapons, this morning Trump tweeted that there were “so many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed,” implying that someone should have done something to report him.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!
6:12 AM - Feb 15, 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/964110212885106689

It’s Trump’s party — and Trump himself — who have consistently prevented the federal government from doing anything about this kind of situation. And 6ixStringJack with his: "Just some more anti-gun, SJW liberal rubbish."

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-c
hecks-people-mental-n727221


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Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:38 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


For the record: Flat Out Lunacy the proposals be!

Here's a thought: why not gather all the nutjobs and scatter them throughout the country and start a manhunt. Put targets on the backs of the students, distribute AR-15s to all who want to be a shooter, and hand guns with 9 rounds to the "hunters" and see who wins.

Whoever wins, gets to move on to the next round of games, and so on. Of course, it will be televised and the audience can vote for:

Best Dressed (both targets and shooters)
Best Equipped (both shooters and hunters)
Best FBI Code Name
Best Politico Excuse

We could even have a NRA official unicycle shoot-out. We put an NRA Official (I vote for LapIere) running about on a unicycle, complete with target on his back and he has to run a course 1/4-mile long (with obstacles, including masacred bodies of students. Sort of like a gauntlet. Headshots are worth 100 points, Torso 50 points, a leg 25 points, a toe 5 points. Kill shot 1000 points.

Students, parents and guest stars with guns line up about 25 yards away along a line and shoot at the target on the unicycle. If the NRA official makes it across the 1/4-mile run, he gets to go to another high school at random and do it all over again. We keep doing that until we run out of NRA officials. (It seems only fair).

Let's see how long it takes for them to want to ban war-grade weapons of mass destruction then. Fucking douchebags.

Fun game, right!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Let’s recap the Republican proposals so far to reduce school gun massacres:

Arm teachers with handguns.

Turn our schools into hardened bunkers.

Stun grenades in every classroom.

More police officers patrolling the halls at all times.

Loosen gun laws so that more people in public are armed.

I could respect an argument that says gun rights are so important that it’s worth protecting them even at the price of more mass slaughters. But the Republican proposals are flat-out lunacy.



For the record, I don't support any of those measures.

Either that's yet another example of why I'm not a Republican or #NotAllRepublicans.

Pick one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:42 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Go Emma!

My new hero!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Parkland student Emma Gonzalez has more followers than NRA days after joining Twitter

A high school senior who survived the mass shooting at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida two weeks ago now has nearly twice as many followers on Twitter as the National Rifle Association.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-student-emma-gonzalez-has-m
ore-followers-than-nra-days-after-joining-twitter/ar-BBJCIyW?ocid=spartanntp


Try a new source rappy. The one you're using isn't quite right in the head.


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Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:43 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Show me!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.


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Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:46 AM

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Well put Capt. 300 Million guns, so what happened!?

Columbine had a good guy with a gun.
Parkland had a good guy with a gun.

Any questions!?


SGG


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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.



Except at Parkland... or Newtown... or Las Vegas... or Orlando... or Blacksburg... or Sutherland, TX... or Killeen... or Austin... or... see a pattern? The deadliest mass shootings in US History and where were the good guys? Shooters don't wait or they aren't that stupid. We are the most well armed society on the planet but the only guns that matter are the ones the shooters have.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-h
istory-fast-facts/index.html


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Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:50 AM

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I say this is a job for the "A" Team......cue music!

I've heard there's been exactly one instance where a marine actually shot a shooter. Not sure where, but I heard tell. (I'll check into it).

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=marine+shoots+a+shooter&view=d
etail&mid=240C26DE6AE0FF38B61D240C26DE6AE0FF38B61D&FORM=VIRE


This could be it.


SGG


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
meanwhile, in actual real stories, good guys( and gals ) w/ a gun save lives, all the damn time.


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Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:26 AM

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" Trump signed a bill making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns."

Lie

* Quick answer, it is a known distortion of the fact. Don't have the time now, but this false story is a favorite of the left. Further, this is a common practice of the left. Put out half truths or out right lies and claim somebody on the right did something. Idiotic distortions like this waste time and do nothing to advance the real issue. It just infuriates people and makes it impossible to have a reasonable discussion's.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I see. So now that you're personal circumstances and tastes have changed and it wouldn't put you out, you have no problem with it.

At least that's only half-hypocritical.

Guns, immigration show cultural chasm
www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/changing-stances-guns-immigration-refle
ct-cultural-political-shift
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Bernie Sanders is an intriguing example of how political and cultural currents swirl around us. He won his first bid for Congress in 1990 in part because he received the full-throated endorsement of the National Rifle Association. Sanders, the former mayor of Burlington, Vermont, was noncommittal on an assault-weapons ban while his GOP opponent, Peter Smith, flip-flopped and came out in favor of a ban.

“It is not about Peter Smith vs. Bernie Sanders,” the NRA's Wayne LaPierre explained. “It is about integrity in politics.”

This history was just one reason why it was amusing to listen to LaPierre at the Conservative Political Action Conference last week railing against the “socialists” determined to grab everyone's guns. The man who helped launch Bernie Sanders, the most prominent American socialist, suddenly thinks socialism is an existential threat to liberty.

What's going on?

On the immigration front: Democrats are increasingly invested in permissive policies in large part because they've bought into the theory that diverse populations are their key to electoral victories going forward. In dialectic fashion, Republicans are increasingly invested in restrictive policies in large part because they're chasing after ever-larger segments of the white vote.

As for firearms: Democrats passed an assault-weapons ban in September 1994. Even Bill Clinton credited that decision as one of the chief reasons the GOP took back the House two months later.

True or not, the more important consequence was that gun rights increasingly became a partisan issue, and the NRA had little choice but to become an adjunct of the GOP. The dynamic became centrifugal, with Democrats and Republicans becoming ever more defined by the issue.

All of these changes were driven by facts on the ground. To listen to Democrats, Republicans support gun rights because the NRA tells them to. In reality, Republicans support gun rights because their voters tell them to, just as Democratic voters tell their representatives the opposite.

But guns and immigration are not simply drivers of polarization, they are examples of its power. Politics has become a lifestyle, part of the “Big Sort” driving so much in our culture. That's why the NRA's marketing these days has so little to do with gun policy and so much to do with cultural resentments.

These days, if you're a Democrat, you're likely to be a down-the-line Democrat on a host of unrelated issues. Same if you're a Republican. Like our representatives, many of us won't buck party orthodoxy on any matter of importance.

Liberals such as Sanders have talked about “two Americas” for generations, but they worked on the assumption that this divide was class-based. It's not. It's cultural, and the divide is becoming a chasm.

Goldberg is an editor-at-large of National Review Online and a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Email him at JonahsColumn@aol.com.
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I'm ignoring the second half of the post since it's irrelevant to the conversation and the same could be said of many Democrats, Independents, Communists, Nazis, and those who eschew politics altogether.

The editorial says that guns are a cultural signifier for Democrats vs Republicans. Not that I matter, but guns are for killing deer and people and I place all the emphasis on the "killing" word. I understand the stunted thinking of voters who own guns as signifiers of "freedom" and "protection", but that isn't thinking clearly. When you own a gun, you have not purchased "freedom" and "protection". You only purchased "killing".

Obviously, if you are an incompetent shooter when under pressure, all you purchased is "wounding" or "missing" your targeted kill, human or deer. You only bought yourself a noise machine, a boom stick. That is why the AR-15 was invented: it makes incompetent shooters into killers by the mathematical probability of killing when many, many rounds are fired randomly. The AR-15 was never engineered to bring "freedom" and "protection". It is plainly only about "killing".

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Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 AM

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Originally posted by second:
The editorial says that guns are a cultural signifier for Democrats vs Republicans. Not that I matter, but guns are for killing deer and people and I place all the emphasis on the "killing" word. I understand the stunted thinking of voters who own guns as signifiers of "freedom" and "protection", but that isn't thinking clearly. When you own a gun, you have not purchased "freedom" and "protection". You only purchased "killing".



Read a history book. The "freedom" that you and I enjoy at one time required a lot of killing. Call me a pessimist, but I don't believe that is set in stone forever. Neither did the people who wrote what GWB called "That Goddamned Piece of Paper".

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Obviously, if you are an incompetent shooter when under pressure, all you purchased is "wounding" or "missing" your targeted kill, human or deer. You only bought yourself a noise machine, a boom stick. That is why the AR-15 was invented: it makes incompetent shooters into killers by the mathematical probability of killing when many, many rounds are fired randomly. The AR-15 was never engineered to bring "freedom" and "protection". It is plainly only about "killing".



I have a handgun that I've owned for over 7-8 years and never fired. I could walk into an office and get my conceal and carry today and walked strapped almost wherever I go in the state. I chose not to because I'm not an idiot.

It's sad that idiots have to ruin it for the rest of us.


It is in my home, for protection. I might not be a sharpshooter, but if I was being robbed I could just point the damn thing at a low trajectory and fire it without even seeing who was in my house and whoever it was would scatter quick. .45's aren't a joke.

I'm the only person with a key to my house, and the deadbolts lock with a key from both sides. If somebody is inside of it after I've locked it and I didn't open the door for them, they don't belong here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
The editorial says that guns are a cultural signifier for Democrats vs Republicans. Not that I matter, but guns are for killing deer and people and I place all the emphasis on the "killing" word. I understand the stunted thinking of voters who own guns as signifiers of "freedom" and "protection", but that isn't thinking clearly. When you own a gun, you have not purchased "freedom" and "protection". You only purchased "killing".

Read a history book. The "freedom" that you and I enjoy at one time required a lot of killing. Call me a pessimist, but I don't believe that is set in stone forever. Neither did the people who wrote what GWB called "That Goddamned Piece of Paper".

I did read a history book: Lincoln freed the slaves at the cost of 785,000–1,000,000+ dead. The Parliament of the United Kingdom freed the slaves and death toll was zero. Do you see the difference when guns are used to bring "freedom"? Guns are for killing, not for bringing "freedom".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833

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Trump had Democrats cheering in his bipartisan gun control meeting.
www.vox.com/2018/2/28/17064120/trump-gun-control-meeting-congress-expl
ained


“You’re scared of the NRA,” President Donald Trump declared in a room of lawmakers Wednesday during a meeting on guns that pushed Republican priorities to the sidelines and had Democrats in the room cheering.

A bipartisan group of legislators met in the White House to try to make headway on gun law reforms in the wake of the deadly shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school that left 17 dead and injured more than a dozen others.

Throughout the hour, Trump often veered into uncomfortable territory for Republicans and at times broke with his party altogether, reiterating support for policies many in his conservative base have taken issue with.

At one point, he said some in the group were “petrified” of the national gun lobby and sided with Democratic Sens. Dianne Feinstein (CA) and Amy Klobuchar’s (MN) proposals over those of Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) and Rep. John Rutherford (R-FL).

In the televised meeting, which felt a lot like the freewheeling discussion Trump held on immigration last month, the president called for a bill that was “powerful” on background checks and that would address mental illness and possibly raise the age limit for buying assault rifles from 18 years old to 21. He also repeatedly stated support for beefing up armed security at schools and getting rid of “gun-free zones.”

In all, it was an undeniable call for comprehensive gun control — something Republicans have been wary of touching.

“I like that word, comprehensive,” Trump said. “They say it is a bad word. I like the word. I would rather have a comprehensive bill. ... It would be really nice to create something that’s beautiful.”

Whether this discussion will actually yield legislation — and whether Trump sticks to the positions he supported in the meeting — remains to be seen.

Only last month, many of these same lawmakers listened to Trump publicly support compromise immigration legislation, only to have his administration derail every bipartisan proposal put forward. Trump said he wants to be the president that gets gun reform passed through Congress. It’s not yet clear if that will translate into helping Congress pass a bill.

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Thursday, March 1, 2018 8:29 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
The editorial says that guns are a cultural signifier for Democrats vs Republicans. Not that I matter, but guns are for killing deer and people and I place all the emphasis on the "killing" word. I understand the stunted thinking of voters who own guns as signifiers of "freedom" and "protection", but that isn't thinking clearly. When you own a gun, you have not purchased "freedom" and "protection". You only purchased "killing".

Read a history book. The "freedom" that you and I enjoy at one time required a lot of killing. Call me a pessimist, but I don't believe that is set in stone forever. Neither did the people who wrote what GWB called "That Goddamned Piece of Paper".

I did read a history book: Lincoln freed the slaves at the cost of 785,000–1,000,000+ dead. The Parliament of the United Kingdom freed the slaves and death toll was zero. Do you see the difference when guns are used to bring "freedom"? Guns are for killing, not for bringing "freedom".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833

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A nice story. Too bad it's a fairy tale.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

A nice story. Too bad it's a fairy tale.

Is it a fairy tale that the American Civil War was fought with guns and the death toll was a million? Or is it a fairy tale that the Parliament of the United Kingdom purchased the slaves rather than kill with guns the owners? The Slavery Abolition Act compensated slave-owners. The amount of money to be spent on the compensation claims was set at "the Sum of Twenty Million Pounds Sterling". In 1833, £20 million amounted to approximately 5% of the British GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833

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Thursday, March 1, 2018 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

A nice story. Too bad it's a fairy tale.

Is it a fairy tale that the American Civil War was fought with guns and the death toll was a million? Or is it a fairy tale that the Parliament of the United Kingdom purchased the slaves rather than kill with guns the owners? The Slavery Abolition Act compensated slave-owners. The amount of money to be spent on the compensation claims was set at "the Sum of Twenty Million Pounds Sterling". In 1833, £20 million amounted to approximately 5% of the British GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833



I didn't know this second. Very enlightening post. The fact that Jack thinks you're lying, and says so without researching it for himself, further proves what we claim to be true about him. Troll...dummy...



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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

A nice story. Too bad it's a fairy tale.

Is it a fairy tale that the American Civil War was fought with guns and the death toll was a million? Or is it a fairy tale that the Parliament of the United Kingdom purchased the slaves rather than kill with guns the owners? The Slavery Abolition Act compensated slave-owners. The amount of money to be spent on the compensation claims was set at "the Sum of Twenty Million Pounds Sterling". In 1833, £20 million amounted to approximately 5% of the British GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833



I didn't know this second. Very enlightening post. The fact that Jack thinks you're lying, and says so without researching it for himself, further proves what we claim to be true about him. Troll...dummy...

I think the Civil War was fought over money.
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By 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.
Unlike the British Parliament, the American Congress was too cheap and stingy to buy the slaves. And then who would do the work if there were no slaves? The Cotton Planters sure didn't want to pay their field hands a living wage. The century after the Civil War proved they didn't want to pay blacks more than the very minimum to keep them alive. Antebellum Southerners much rather preferred shooting a Yankee in glorious war than working in their own dusty fields picking cotton that made the South wealthy.
www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/slavery-made-america/3732
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I lived all my life in the South and I know what makes Southerners tick, why they own guns, what goes on inside their heads. It's not pretty and it makes them Republicans.

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Thursday, March 1, 2018 12:00 PM

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I lived all my life in the South and I know what makes Southerners tick, why they own guns, what goes on inside their heads. It's not pretty and it makes them Republicans.



I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.

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Originally posted by second:
I lived all my life in the South and I know what makes Southerners tick, why they own guns, what goes on inside their heads. It's not pretty and it makes them Republicans.



I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.

Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/donald-trump-goes-off-the-deep-
end-on-gun-legislation
/

The NRA was right: the president really does want to take away your guns. But it’s President Trump, not President Obama, who wants to do it.

And he wants to do it without bothering about due process. In a single sentence, he’s managed to alienate both conservatives and liberals. There’s literally no one who supports this idea. This is the craziest shit we’ve seen from Trump since—oh, a few days ago, I suppose. The problem—aside from Trump being Trump—is that he has no one to consult about what kind of proposal might have a chance to gain Republican support if he pushes hard enough. That’s because there’s probably no one in the White House who supports even the tiniest shred of gun safety legislation. So Trump is on his own, causing chaos for his own party and guaranteeing that nothing will get done.

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Thursday, March 1, 2018 1:29 PM

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... stay crunchy...


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I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.

Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump


That'd make for a fine set - almost no one's doing that ("Zeitgeiss Throw Pillows") plus t-shirts are fake news now.

How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shoot
er-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma


He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him
by TIM STELLOH

"Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police.

Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung.

On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."

Gun madness. I keep thinking of Kaylee, "It's right there... I'm pointing right at it."


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Friday, March 2, 2018 12:06 PM

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Friday, March 2, 2018 12:11 PM

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Russian banker said he met Trump through NRA

The Russian banker under scrutiny for money transfers to the National Rifle Association said the organization helped him meet President Trump.

Alexander Torshin, a deputy head of Russia’s central bank, is one of his country's strongest supporters of the NRA, even hosting dinners for an American delegation that came to Moscow in 2015.

A report earlier this year said federal investigators were looking into whether his payments to the group were funneled towards Trump’s election as part of what Fusion GPS investigator Glenn Simpson said was a “very concerted effort” by Russian officials to get in with the gun lobby

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/russian-banker-met-trump-nra-
article-1.3850535


The NRA contributed 34 million to Trumps campaign.


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Friday, March 2, 2018 5:18 PM

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America loves a winner!


Fusion GPS investigator Glenn Simpson said...





Please, stop ! The propaganda and dirt collecting arm of the DNC has ZERO credibility.


None.

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Please, stop ! The propaganda and dirt collecting arm of the DNC has ZERO credibility.


None.

The RAND Corp has credibility. A new, huge review of gun research has bad news for the NRA.

On the gun control front, there’s moderate evidence that background checks reduce suicide and violent crime, limited evidence that prohibitions associated with mental illness reduce suicide, moderate evidence that those prohibitions reduce violent crime, and supportive evidence that child-access prevention laws reduce suicides and unintentional injuries and deaths.

Meanwhile, there’s limited evidence that concealed carry laws increase violent crime and unintentional injuries and deaths. And there’s moderate evidence that “stand your ground” laws — NRA-backed measures that expand when someone can use a gun or other weapons to defend himself — increase violent crime.

If you put this all together, it suggests that restrictive laws seem to lead to fewer gun deaths, while the permissive laws seem to lead to more gun deaths.

That’s not enough for nonpartisan researchers at RAND to make sweeping conclusions, but it’s certainly suggestive — particularly for policymakers interested in finding solutions to America’s gun violence problem.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/2/17050610/guns-shootings-studi
es-rand-charts-maps

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Friday, March 2, 2018 5:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.

Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

" shall not be infringed "




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If you put this all together, it suggests that restrictive laws seem to lead to fewer gun deaths, while the permissive laws seem to lead to more gun deaths.



Chicago says " hi ! " .


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, March 2, 2018 6:57 PM

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It is very apparent by rappys response to the debate about gun laws that rappy still believes everyone is try to take away his guns. Therefore I want it on the record that I believe him to be ignorant of the facts concerning this topic.

In other words, he's a dummy...


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AURaptor, there have been 850,000 gun deaths, but it would take only about 850 more deaths to prove you wrong. If 50 gunmen killed 17 students in each of the 50 states over the next 12 months for a total of 850 dead, I think Trump and the Republicans in Congress could be motivated to change their minds about guns. The massacres would have to be no fewer nor more than one per week or else those Republicans, with their very weak memories, would forget it was happening. Since 700 are dead per week, 17 more is not that big of an increase, but it sure would make a difference if it was happening in a weekly school massacre. But what happens for Christmas and New Years when the schools are closed? The massacre moves to the multi-cinema and continues motivating our elected representatives in government to solve this problem.
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Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.

Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

" shall not be infringed "


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If you put this all together, it suggests that restrictive laws seem to lead to fewer gun deaths, while the permissive laws seem to lead to more gun deaths.



Chicago says " hi ! " .



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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.

Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump


How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shoot
er-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma


He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him
by TIM STELLOH

"Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police.

Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung.

On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."

FYI in Dec 2015 Michael L. Funk successfully defended himself and others being held hostage (and signalled the owner to stay out of the hostage arena) by gunman Brian Flatoff, only to emerge from the harrowing incident and be shot dead by Police. This was at a Harley shop in Neenah, WI.
Currently the original gunman is starting his murder trial, representing himself after firing his first 10 lawyers.

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It Took the NRA One Day to Crush President Trump’s Gun Reforms

At a televised meeting on Wednesday with lawmakers, Mr. Trump had endorsed a Senate proposal to significantly expand background checks on gun sales and said he wanted to see sales of some firearms restricted to people who were 21 or older. He also suggested some guns be taken away from people without due process. All of these stances run counter to the positions of the NRA, the nation’s largest gun-rights organization.

On Thursday night Trump met with the NRA. So what was announced Friday?

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters Friday morning Mr. Trump now considers a federal increase in the minimum age as likely unrealistic….On background checks, Ms. Sanders dialed back the president’s stance. He is seeking “not necessarily universal background checks, but certainly improving the background-check system. He wants to see what that legislation, the final piece of it looks like,” she said.

That didn’t take long for Trump to flipflop.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/it-took-the-nra-one-day-to-demo
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Saturday, March 3, 2018 6:07 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


U.S. media outlets ran more than 7,900 stories online about the Parkland shooting, 17 dead, in the two weeks after the shooting.

That compares with nearly 2,600 stories about the Sutherland Springs shooting, 26 dead, about 4,200 stories on the Las Vegas shooting, 58 dead, and nearly 4,500 stories about the San Bernardino shooting, 14 dead, all in a period of two weeks.

The only shooting that showed more online stories in the subsequent two weeks was Orlando at 8,097 and 49 dead.

In the wake of the Parkland shooting, there has been more coverage focusing on policy discussions compared with the shooting in Las Vegas, in which 58 people were killed. While there was some discussion over outlawing “bump stock” devices after Las Vegas, there was much less talk of an assault-weapons ban or other solutions-oriented discussions.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/02/the-parkland-shooting-i
s-different-the-news-coverage-proves-it/?utm_term=.fb32d42e9016


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