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Because what we need is more religion in our politics:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/26/us/politics/johnson-amendment-churc
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WASHINGTON — For years, a coalition of well-funded groups on the religious right have waged an uphill battle to repeal a 1954 law that bans churches and other nonprofit groups from engaging in political activity.

Now, those groups are edging toward a once-improbable victory as Republican lawmakers, with the enthusiastic backing of President Trump, prepare to rewrite large swaths of the United States tax code as part of the $1.5 trillion tax package moving through Congress.

Among the changes in the tax bill that passed the House this month is a provision to roll back the 1954 ban, a move that is championed by the religious right, but opposed by thousands of religious and nonprofit leaders, who warn that it could blur the line between charity and politics.

The change could turn churches into a well-funded political force, with donors diverting as much as $1.7 billion each year from traditional political committees to churches and other nonprofit groups that could legally engage in partisan politics for the first time, according to an estimate by the nonpartisan congressional Joint Committee on Taxation."

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Tell me that's not a nightmare scenario where we turn the clock back 200 years.


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It falls right in line with decision, corporations are people too.


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Tell me that's not a nightmare scenario where we turn the clock back 200 years.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It is pretty bizarre. Makes you wonder if he knows something you don't know.

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Originally posted by G:

Second - this is the thing. Everyone knows that the Republicans are lying and filling their masters' pants with cash. Voters, non-voters, children above the age of 5 know. But there's nothing we can do about. "Vote?!?" Yeah, right. Of all the remarkable lines in the sand that the Republicans and Trump and his global mafia have crossed, nothing will be as dramatic and telling as if Roy "the good ole days when we had slavery" Moore wins in Alabama. Talk about enshrining themselves as the party of pure evil. But we already know this.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hope you've been investing in that moat that I suggested to you a while back, Second.

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Originally posted by second:
Republicans Despise the Working Class, Continued
www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/opinion/republicans-despise-the-working-cla
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Republicans have developed a deep disdain for people who just work for a living, and this disdain shines through everything they do. Consider, in particular, the tweet Texas Senator John Cornyn put out about how the tax bill will help what he apparently imagines is an ordinary family:

Senator John Cornyn @JohnCornyn
Under #TaxCutsandJobsAct a married couple earning $100,000 per year ($60,000 from wages, $25,000 from their noncorporate business, and $15,000 in business income) will receive a tax cut of $2,603.50, a reduction of nearly 24 percent.
7:10 AM-19 Dec 2017

Yes, just your ordinary family that owns two businesses accounting for 40% of its income.

In reality, the vast majority of middle-class households have no business income . . .

The top 1% accounts for more than half of business income, and the top 5% for around 70% of the total. Since the value of the pass-through tax break depends on how high a marginal rate you pay on ordinary income, the benefits are even more skewed to the top.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think "despise the working class" is a bit melodramatic, don't you? The Republicans use us to their great advantage, just as the Democrats do.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow. I get it now. You're just insane. Like a rich Willie Wonka type.

What's your great and valuable skill? Winning the birth lottery and getting Daddy's oil?

Go fuck yourself, Second.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Republicans Bet Tax Cuts Would Help Their Political Fortunes. They May Have Misread That

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Originally posted by second:
Having written that true story for 6ixStringJack's amusement, I'll get to taxes.

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Having written that true story for 6ixStringJack's amusement, I'll get to taxes.

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Completely ignoring your autobiography since I don't believe anything you have to say about politics or the real world in the first place. I still suspect you're 23 years old and living in your mom's basement.

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I am of two minds about the tax bill.

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1) One half of me thinks it is bad because it is solely supported by Republicans. Republicans will keep voting Republican because that is all they can think to do, even if they think the bill is unfair.

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I, too, will feel better when I start cashing my checks. I voted for Hillary, but she would never have delivered the money, making me delightfully giddy that Trump won.

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So you've said at least three times before. You're a shitty and duplicitous person who doesn't really want any change. You can be a Democrat and get the best of both worlds since nothing ever changes.

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Will or won't the bill pass? I'm thinking probably not.

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I am of two minds about the tax bill.

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1) One half of me thinks it is bad because it is solely supported by Republicans. Republicans will keep voting Republican because that is all they can think to do, even if they think the bill is unfair.

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I, too, will feel better when I start cashing my checks. I voted for Hillary, but she would never have delivered the money, making me delightfully giddy that Trump won.

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So you've said at least three times before. You're a shitty and duplicitous person who doesn't really want any change. You can be a Democrat and get the best of both worlds since nothing ever changes.

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I consistently believe that altering the tax code will NOT actually boost the economy. The tax rates were much higher in the past and the economy boomed wayback then, you know, from WWII to the last lunar landing. It boomed because

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The fastest way for the US to get back to those boom years again would be to freely spend on all kinds of things that the GOP does not approve of but the Democratic Party does approve. That would require taxes to be raised on the wealthy, rather than lowered. But 6ixStringJack has made his choice for lower taxes and therefore America will NOT boom for the bottom 50% of Americans. Too bad for them, but what can I do about the GOP? Nothing more than cash the checks the GOP sends me with their new tax bill. I'm not too proud to accept free money.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

there was no competition, the rest of the industrialized world having been bombed to rubble, during FDR's War. . . .

So over 80% of Americans will get larger paychecks due to lower taxes now. That's a bigger boom for workers than Bobo or Slick ever gave.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
there was no competition, the rest of the industrialized world having been bombed to rubble, during FDR's War. . . .

So over 80% of Americans will get larger paychecks due to lower taxes now. That's a bigger boom for workers than Bobo or Slick ever gave.

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Your analysis missed something really big. You won't be able to explain it away, either, unless you start imagining fake stories about Civil Engineers opposing the GOP.

The American Society of Civil Engineers did an analysis of what will happen by 2025. Trump will still be President. To get his $1.5 trillion tax cut, Trump will do $3.9 trillion in damage to the American economy. This is how that happens:

Families bringing home less than $25,000 a year will see an average tax cut of $60 next year, compared with those earning more than $733,000, who would average $51,000 in savings, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Whether a family gets $60 or $51,000, not one penny of the money will pay for the $2,064 billion shortfall in infrastructure spending. The lucky families won’t be taking their $60 and purchasing a new road or sewage treatment plant. And not paying for the things that Civil Engineers build will cause:

1) $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025;
2) $7 trillion in lost business sales by 2025; and
3) 2.5 million lost American jobs in 2025.
4) On top of those costs, hardworking American families will lose upwards of $3,400 in disposable income each year.
www.infrastructurereportcard.org/the-impact/economic-impact/

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

The Ultra Liberal Tax Policy Center is now claiming to be non-partisan?
And you believe this crap, or is your tongue planted firmly in cheek?

Golly gee whiz and Shazaam! Batman, you mean that after Obamination ignoring infrastructure for 8 years, Civil Engineers suddenly paint doom and gloom if we don't create Engineering jobs?
I am shocked, just shocked, I say.

Lost jobs in 2025 will be the fault of the POTUS then, which won't be Trump. But you could blame it on Clinton and Obamination.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
there was no competition, the rest of the industrialized world having been bombed to rubble, during FDR's War. . . .

So over 80% of Americans will get larger paychecks due to lower taxes now. That's a bigger boom for workers than Bobo or Slick ever gave.

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Your analysis missed something really big. You won't be able to explain it away, either, unless you start imagining fake stories about Civil Engineers opposing the GOP.

The American Society of Civil Engineers did an analysis of what will happen by 2025. Trump will still be President. To get his $1.5 trillion tax cut, Trump will do $3.9 trillion in damage to the American economy. This is how that happens:

Families bringing home less than $25,000 a year will see an average tax cut of $60 next year, compared with those earning more than $733,000, who would average $51,000 in savings, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Whether a family gets $60 or $51,000, not one penny of the money will pay for the $2,064 billion shortfall in infrastructure spending. The lucky families won’t be taking their $60 and purchasing a new road or sewage treatment plant. And not paying for the things that Civil Engineers build will cause:

1) $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025;
2) $7 trillion in lost business sales by 2025; and
3) 2.5 million lost American jobs in 2025.
4) On top of those costs, hardworking American families will lose upwards of $3,400 in disposable income each year.
www.infrastructurereportcard.org/the-impact/economic-impact/

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
The roads in my county are so bad by now ... pitfall bad,
Our local newspaper is running a series of stories about it.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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there was no competition, the rest of the industrialized world having been bombed to rubble, during FDR's War. . . .

So over 80% of Americans will get larger paychecks due to lower taxes now. That's a bigger boom for workers than Bobo or Slick ever gave.

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Your analysis missed something really big. You won't be able to explain it away, either, unless you start imagining fake stories about Civil Engineers opposing the GOP.

The American Society of Civil Engineers did an analysis of what will happen by 2025. Trump will still be President. To get his $1.5 trillion tax cut, Trump will do $3.9 trillion in damage to the American economy. This is how that happens:

Families bringing home less than $25,000 a year will see an average tax cut of $60 next year, compared with those earning more than $733,000, who would average $51,000 in savings, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Whether a family gets $60 or $51,000, not one penny of the money will pay for the $2,064 billion shortfall in infrastructure spending. The lucky families won’t be taking their $60 and purchasing a new road or sewage treatment plant. And not paying for the things that Civil Engineers build will cause:

1) $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025;
2) $7 trillion in lost business sales by 2025; and
3) 2.5 million lost American jobs in 2025.
4) On top of those costs, hardworking American families will lose upwards of $3,400 in disposable income each year.
www.infrastructurereportcard.org/the-impact/economic-impact/

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Lettuce sea about these Tax Cuts. I'll use Tax tables from 2016 because I don't have 2017 or 2018.
Family of 4 with 25,000 has 2,500 taxable income and Fed Tax of $251. Cutting this by $60 is a 23.9% Tax Cut.
With 733,000 income has Fed Tax of $237,528. Cutting this by 51,000 is less than 21.5% Tax Cut.
Not sure I understand your complaint, or implication of unfairness. Clarify?

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Originally posted by JO753:
Trump, Kushner, et al, will ...

At least in my dreamz.

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there was no competition, the rest of the industrialized world having been bombed to rubble, during FDR's War. . . .

So over 80% of Americans will get larger paychecks due to lower taxes now. That's a bigger boom for workers than Bobo or Slick ever gave.

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Your analysis missed something really big. You won't be able to explain it away, either, unless you start imagining fake stories about Civil Engineers opposing the GOP.

The American Society of Civil Engineers did an analysis of what will happen by 2025. Trump will still be President. To get his $1.5 trillion tax cut, Trump will do $3.9 trillion in damage to the American economy. This is how that happens:

Families bringing home less than $25,000 a year will see an average tax cut of $60 next year, compared with those earning more than $733,000, who would average $51,000 in savings, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Whether a family gets $60 or $51,000, not one penny of the money will pay for the $2,064 billion shortfall in infrastructure spending. The lucky families won’t be taking their $60 and purchasing a new road or sewage treatment plant. And not paying for the things that Civil Engineers build will cause:

1) $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025;
2) $7 trillion in lost business sales by 2025; and
3) 2.5 million lost American jobs in 2025.
4) On top of those costs, hardworking American families will lose upwards of $3,400 in disposable income each year.
www.infrastructurereportcard.org/the-impact/economic-impact/

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Lettuce sea about these Tax Cuts. I'll use Tax tables from 2016 because I don't have 2017 or 2018.
Family of 4 with 25,000 has 2,500 taxable income and Fed Tax of $251. Cutting this by $60 is a 23.9% Tax Cut.
With 733,000 income has Fed Tax of $237,528. Cutting this by 51,000 is less than 21.5% Tax Cut.
Not sure I understand your complaint, or implication of unfairness. Clarify?

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If Congress spends $1.5 trillion on tax cuts, it won't have that $1.5 trillion to spend on "infrastructure". Not spending on the repair of "infrastructure" will cost $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025, Trump's last year. Clear enough? I need write no more because Trump is gonna explain it to you in great and accurate detail during his State of the Union speech on Jan 30, 2018. Or maybe not since he'd feel obligated to give back his $15 million cut per year of the tax cut if Congress does not increase spending on "infrastructure" by $1.5 trillion in early 2018.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
there was no competition, the rest of the industrialized world having been bombed to rubble, during FDR's War. . . .

So over 80% of Americans will get larger paychecks due to lower taxes now. That's a bigger boom for workers than Bobo or Slick ever gave.

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Your analysis missed something really big. You won't be able to explain it away, either, unless you start imagining fake stories about Civil Engineers opposing the GOP.

The American Society of Civil Engineers did an analysis of what will happen by 2025. Trump will still be President. To get his $1.5 trillion tax cut, Trump will do $3.9 trillion in damage to the American economy. This is how that happens:

Families bringing home less than $25,000 a year will see an average tax cut of $60 next year, compared with those earning more than $733,000, who would average $51,000 in savings, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Whether a family gets $60 or $51,000, not one penny of the money will pay for the $2,064 billion shortfall in infrastructure spending. The lucky families won’t be taking their $60 and purchasing a new road or sewage treatment plant. And not paying for the things that Civil Engineers build will cause:

1) $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025;
2) $7 trillion in lost business sales by 2025; and
3) 2.5 million lost American jobs in 2025.
4) On top of those costs, hardworking American families will lose upwards of $3,400 in disposable income each year.
www.infrastructurereportcard.org/the-impact/economic-impact/

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Lettuce sea about these Tax Cuts. I'll use Tax tables from 2016 because I don't have 2017 or 2018.
Family of 4 with 25,000 has 2,500 taxable income and Fed Tax of $251. Cutting this by $60 is a 23.9% Tax Cut.
With 733,000 income has Fed Tax of $237,528. Cutting this by 51,000 is less than 21.5% Tax Cut.
Not sure I understand your complaint, or implication of unfairness. Clarify?

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If Congress spends $1.5 trillion on tax cuts, it won't have that $1.5 trillion to spend on "infrastructure". Not spending on the repair of "infrastructure" will cost $3.9 trillion in losses to the U.S. GDP by 2025, Trump's last year. Clear enough? I need write no more because Trump is gonna explain it to you in great and accurate detail during his State of the Union speech on Jan 30, 2018. Or maybe not since he'd feel obligated to give back his $15 million cut per year of the tax cut if Congress does not increase spending on "infrastructure" by $1.5 trillion in early 2018.

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Where was this argument during the Trillions wasted on Quantitative Easing?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bernie Fans Love Republican Tax Plan
Liberals Love Trump's Tax Plan... When Told It's Bernie Sanders' Plan

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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