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Some are trying to claim that it's the USA, not NK, who is " sabre rattling "

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The US is sabre rattling in Europe. Despite a half-dozen articles and posts on the topic, and despite the fact that you actually responded to them (did you read any of them at all before you posted?), it looks like you missed the detail about location.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Hillary Clinton - threatening countries at every turn because only war brings peace.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING: Oh, boo hoo hoo. So I strawmanned you. And yes, I did it on purpose. For all of the times that you strawmanned me, you got a little of it back. Pobrecito!

Now that THAT'S cleared up, how about putting on your big-boy pants and telling us your opinion: Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.

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What a worthless lying... I can't imagine why I would try and talk with someone who can't even explain or defend what they said. Cya

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SIG has to admit she was trolling so she passes it off as tit for tat. Only there was no tat. SIG lives in the world of fallacy, presenting false beliefs based on unsound arguments. It's called trolling.

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.


Nothing more needs to be said.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.


Nothing more needs to be said.

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She definitely subscribes to the concept of lying as a standard form of communication and a perfectly acceptable way to achieve one's goals. Selfish and small to say the least.- GSTRING

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She definitely subscribes to the concept of lying as a standard form of communication and a perfectly acceptable way to achieve one's goals. Selfish and small to say the least.- GSTRING]

Well then, GSTRING, speak up for yourself man! Tell us what you think!
Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?
Yes or no?
Now lets see how often you mange to dodge, deflect, and evade a straight answer.- SIGNY


I haven't *answered* because it's unanswerable. It's. A. Stupid. Question. Should everyone be honest? The "answer" is the same for both. Sure! "But what about if being honest kills someone?" Uhhhh... and on and on. Your question as stated is worthless and doesn't acknowledge how much difficulty and nuance and subtly and variations there are to the subject.

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It will be my pleasure to ignore all your further attempts at a response.- GSTRING

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.


Nothing more needs to be said.

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Did you read How America Lost Its Mind? Your face is in the illustrations as a protester. Be proud! You've been immortalized as Art with a capital A.

The nation’s current post-truth moment is the ultimate expression of mind-sets that have made America exceptional throughout its history.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind
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Originally posted by G:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hillary is worse than Trump.

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Yeah, we suck mightily - there was no great choice (an obvious one for me, but still not great).

Just for fun: If Hillary's daughter had met with Russians because they sent her an email "we have dirt on Trump" and then she lied about it, and then she lied several more times about who was there, and others in her family lied, and her campaign manager lied, and then Hillary's AG lied about meeting with Russians, and then she had to fire her appointed head of national security because he'd been meeting with Russians... and lied about it and then Hillary fired the head of the FBI because he was looking into her connections with Russians that she'd lied about... you see where I'm going, right? She'd be long gone by now.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.

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That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hillary Clinton - threatening countries at every turn because only war brings peace.

"Democrats will push back against North Korean aggression and press China to play by the rules."

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Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.
Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.

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That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Should EVERYONE get rid of their nuclear weapons?

Yes or no?

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And stop provoking Russia in an insane game of nuclear chicken.

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Originally posted by G:

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Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.
Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.

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That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

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He's your president too. Get over yourself.

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Try reading today maybe? I said, "he's our president" right there, in English.

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YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

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Get the fuck over it. Hillary LOST.
Now suck it up and admit Trump is President. YOUR President.

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That IS the problem - he's our president. I could give a rat's pa-tootie about Hillary. Fine, put her on trial. The problem I have with Trump is ALL about Trump. I get tired of pro Trumpers thinking hating an obvious compulsive liar has something to do with a friggin' professional politician (liar) democrat losing an election. Get the fuck over it and stop using Hillary or Obama as a shield or an excuse. YOUR president is a global embarrassment, a lying PoS.

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Ya didn't mind the obvious compulsive liar that was Hillary or Obama, so why the hell should you worry about it now ? Complete double standard, only to date, NONE of Trump's comments have involved massive new tax burdens and blatant fabrications on policy.

I don't give a damn about the globe, as long as Trump delivers on his policy. Damaged goods that he is, we didn't elect a freaking choir boy.

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New sheriff in town.

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I think Trump will play crazy against a crazy guy like Kim, but at the end of the day, he'll listen to the likes of Mattis, whom he ( Trump ) respects immensely.

I do share Trump's view, that NK has been playing the US, over the past 20+ years, and now we're at a point where we are BECAUSE of the sins of inaction , by both D's and R's.


New sheriff in town.

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Trump's ' crazy ' talk has yielded the UN in yet another 15-0 resolution against Lil' Kim. Yes, Russia and China are on board. Also, it's been reported that China will risk a financial hit in backing the UN resolution over siding w/ the fat kid.

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The question is whether N Korea can package a nuclear weapon into a warhead small enough to fit onto a missile.

EVEN IF it has, this threat and counter-threat is a non-productive approach. It really is a game of "chicken", and those games don't end well unless somebody backs down, and it doesn't look like anybody will back down. We really need to find another way.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" Our job tonight is to actually scare people to death on this subject "
Fucking REALLY ???

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Well that was pretty horrific. Did you see Andrea Mitchell's reaction?? Whoa! She was visibly shaking her heard, totally disgusted.
I think you're mistaken if you think Brian Williams at 11pm on a cable news channel because he was fired from his prime time slot is the poster boy or pillar of our free press. Yes, 'if it bleeds it leads' will always play favorites, but is there anything more American than that? Don't tell me Fux is all about the News.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
George Carlin once refeered to this as "The bigger dick" foreign policy.

I think this is playing out now with Trump.

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AU, you can tell me to sod off all you want. But I do not want to see the world blown up by either of these nuts. Kim or Trump.

And I am still entitled to my opinion or to repeat the opinion of a comedian.

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Yes you are Brenda. Just as long as the Trumps, Putins, communist slash socialist, and hard right nuts we have here are kept in check.

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No worries THG. I've been told to sod off by a lot of people over the years. Just ticks me off is all.

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AU, you can tell me to sod off all you want. But I do not want to see the world blown up by either of these nuts. Kim or Trump.

And I am still entitled to my opinion or to repeat the opinion of a comedian.

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This isn't about TRUMP !!!

That right there is true insanity.

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Take Trump out of the equation here, and just be honest and sober for 1 moment. Do you HONESTLY believe NK poses no threat to Japan, S.Korea and the USA ?

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War is a racket. We are a militaristic empire. That's all it is.

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Take Trump out of the equation here, and just be honest and sober for 1 moment. Do you HONESTLY believe NK poses no threat to Japan, S.Korea and the USA ?

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Yes, I honestly believe that. I don't salivate like Pavlov's dog every time some warmongering president starts beating the war drums.

Bush was full of shit about Iraq. Even YOU must admit that by now. Trump, an even stupider and even less competent idiot, is even more full of shit.

North Korea is NO threat to this country, any more than Iraq was. We killed and maimed millions so some rich guys could get richer. There's nothing more to America's military adventures than that.

War is a racket. We are a militaristic empire. That's all it is.

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This isn't about TRUMP !!!

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Wrong.

1) China's President Xi Jinping said there needs to be a peaceful resolution to the North Korean nuclear issue, and in a telephone call with U.S. President Donald Trump he urged all sides to avoid words or action that raise tensions.

www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-idUSKBN1AO011

If Trump does not settle this peacefully, China has threatened him:

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2) “If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime, and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so,” reported the Global Times, a daily Chinese newspaper controlled by the Communist Party.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-pledges-neutrality-unless-us-strike
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That leaves Trump with only one choice that does not end with massive death:

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3) Containment worked for the U.S. in the Cold War confrontation against the Soviet Union and it will work against North Korea.

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4) Trump isn't smart but he is a chicken. After squawking, he will choose containment.

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4.5) If Trump does not chicken out, we won't be getting any shiny Samsung electronics for Christmas. North Korea will pulverize the Samsung factories

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I'm glad we've got a real leader in the WH , after 8 years of apologizing, bowing and wearing mom-jeans.

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Then you're flat out wrong, and naively so.

As for Bush and Iraq, I don't admit he was wrong to do something about it, I do agree his methodology was a failure.

We didn't kill and maim millions. You're flat out delusional.

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Your denial of easily-verified facts is proof you're delusional. You live in a fantasy world.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

lest we lose sight of the real enemy, here's a reminder from your friendly propagand ... media

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Who is doing the sabre rattling?

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