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I am really wondering why there is so much disagreement at this point that Trump is a terrible person who should never have been a candidate for president. He does not have the personality or moral character for the job - or rather compared to the last few presidents he DOES, which is a deeply disappointing commentary on America in general.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm of two minds about Trump and his relation to the Deep State.

He's done stuff that looks like he's on board - bombing a Syrian airfield - and then stopped. His words go in all directions. He goes back to reopen agreements everyone assumed were settled.

I don't think we'll know what Trump is about until we see how it shakes out on balance. That's why I keep asking what Trump has DONE.

But so far, he still seems to be focused on ISIS and not Russia as the enemy. That, to my mind, is an anti deep state direction.

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  AND ... I am so Olde, I can remember when we liked our Presidents.


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Whatever, SECOND.

What has Trump DONE ? Stop obsessing about what people claim is going on in his head. Or what they claim he did - especially if they weren't there and are in no position to know. Or what he says. Or his tweets. Because they seem to be tactically geared to a particular audience at a particular time for a particular effect.

Focus on the facts of what he's actually DONE. COMPLETED. IN EFFECT. That way, you're less likely to get sucked into a narrative who's ONLY purpose is to propagandize you.

FOCUS ON THE FACTS OF WHAT TRUMP HAS ACTUALLY DONE.

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  AND ... I am so Olde, I can remember when we liked our Presidents.


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I don't know Oonj. Since Kennedy - there was Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. AFAIK none of them were particularly universally liked or admired.

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Botched raid. Let me add, bombed Syrian air field.

As for the fourth circuit ruling, the majority opinion didn't call Trump a liar. It didn't even say he was 'not to be believed'. Here's the ruling. Find your claims - if you can. http://coop.ca4.uscourts.gov/171351.P.pdf And it will probably go forward to the Supremes. It's not a done deal.


So, ACCORDING TO YOUR LIST - Trump's not bad. He's certainly not worth the endless howling you've been doing from BEFORE day one.

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As for the fourth circuit ruling, the majority opinion didn't call Trump a liar. It didn't even say he was 'not to be believed'. Here's the ruling. Find your claims - if you can. http://coop.ca4.uscourts.gov/171351.P.pdf

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The court did call Trump a liar.
http://coop.ca4.uscourts.gov/171351.P.pdf page 51, where EO-1 is Trump’s Executive Order.

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1Kiki: "I was thinking Kennedy and before. But it's been a long,
long time since then. 54 years. I wonder why that is. What has gotten so out of whack for so long? "

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My quick answer: Somewhere along the line, we lost respect, values.
Maybe more accurately: we didn't impart our respect & values to our kids.

The TV did ... now the Internet does.

When I was a child, the Husband was the bread winner; the Wife was the
HomeMaker. Nowadays, there're way more families where both parents
have to work to make ends meet.

What was it that drove the cost of living up & changed our way of life?

"Dystopia: an imagined place or state in which everything is unpleasant
or bad, typically a totalitarian or environmentally degraded one."

Hmmm. Are we there yet?

This topic would make a good thread.



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Something that happened with me, early on in the Obama administration, is he continued the shitty ass policies of the Clintons and GWB before him. He continued meddling in the middle east, continued targeted strikes, and continued the PATRIOT Act.

I hated Obama after that, so much so that I refused to vote in the next election.

I am really wondering why there is so much disagreement at this point that Trump is a terrible person who should never have been a candidate for president. He does not have the personality or moral character for the job - or rather compared to the last few presidents he DOES, which is a deeply disappointing commentary on America in general.

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As for the fourth circuit ruling, the majority opinion didn't call Trump a liar. It didn't even say he was 'not to be believed'. Here's the ruling. Find your claims - if you can. http://coop.ca4.uscourts.gov/171351.P.pdf

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The court did call Trump a liar.
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Broken Promise #7: Trump promised to bring down the debt "fairly quickly"
Barring the kind of hyperbolic growth Trump has promised and economists have disputed, Trump's budget would do little to combat the national debt. Rather, it would potentially increase it.

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Broken Promise #7: Trump promised to bring down the debt "fairly quickly"
Barring the kind of hyperbolic growth Trump has promised and economists have disputed, Trump's budget would do little to combat the national debt. Rather, it would potentially increase it.

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This is only a Libtard PoV, the real world does not succumb to this model of Libtardism.


This thread has 70 posts. It would be handy if any other Broken Promises submitted or discussed by others in this thread were listed or summarized in the first Post or 2 of the thread, otherwise it would take a while to search through the whole thread to find mentions.


I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned:
Relocating the American Embassy in Israel. Apparently Trump promised during the campaign that he would move the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Israel's Capital city. I have heard that he has now decided to break this promise. Although it might mean that he'll move it to another city (there has been much discussion), I gathered that it meant that he won't move it at all.


Rebuilding the military (Department of Defense). He had promised during and after the campaign that he would restore funding to the DoD to rebuild/restore the dilapidated strength, material, and resources of the military to a state of readiness. Senior officers seem to claim the budget as submitted fails to even attempt this.

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Broken Promise #7: Trump promised to bring down the debt "fairly quickly"
Barring the kind of hyperbolic growth Trump has promised and economists have disputed, Trump's budget would do little to combat the national debt. Rather, it would potentially increase it.

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This is only a Libtard PoV, the real world does not succumb to this model of Libtardism.


This thread has 70 posts. It would be handy if any other Broken Promises submitted or discussed by others in this thread were listed or summarized in the first Post or 2 of the thread, otherwise it would take a while to search through the whole thread to find mentions.


I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned:
Relocating the American Embassy in Israel. Apparently Trump promised during the campaign that he would move the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Israel's Capital city. I have heard that he has now decided to break this promise. Although it might mean that he'll move it to another city (there has been much discussion), I gathered that it meant that he won't move it at all.


Rebuilding the military (Department of Defense). He had promised during and after the campaign that he would restore funding to the DoD to rebuild/restore the dilapidated strength, material, and resources of the military to a state of readiness. Senior officers seem to claim the budget as submitted fails to even attempt this.

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Trump is a lying Sack of Shit!

How's that for Libtard News!

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Broken Promise #7: Trump promised to bring down the debt "fairly quickly"
Barring the kind of hyperbolic growth Trump has promised and economists have disputed, Trump's budget would do little to combat the national debt. Rather, it would potentially increase it.

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This is only a Libtard PoV, the real world does not succumb to this model of Libtardism.


This thread has 70 posts. It would be handy if any other Broken Promises submitted or discussed by others in this thread were listed or summarized in the first Post or 2 of the thread, otherwise it would take a while to search through the whole thread to find mentions.


I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned:
Relocating the American Embassy in Israel. Apparently Trump promised during the campaign that he would move the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Israel's Capital city. I have heard that he has now decided to break this promise. Although it might mean that he'll move it to another city (there has been much discussion), I gathered that it meant that he won't move it at all.


Rebuilding the military (Department of Defense). He had promised during and after the campaign that he would restore funding to the DoD to rebuild/restore the dilapidated strength, material, and resources of the military to a state of readiness. Senior officers seem to claim the budget as submitted fails to even attempt this.

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Trump is a lying Sack of Shit!

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Politics May 23 2017, 5:35 pm ET
Donald Trump’s Budget Breaks These 7 Campaign Promises
by Jane C. Timm

When the White House officially unveiled its 2018 budget Tuesday, President Donald Trump's budget director took pains to insist that the blueprint represents campaign promises kept.

Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney said that the president is making good on his vow to save Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, among other things, and said that they are not kicking anyone off who needs the programs.
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Yet deep cuts to many aspects of the American safety net indicate otherwise.
Here's where the president's proposal breaks his promises — and at times his own self-proposed contract — to voters.

Broken Promise #1: Trump vowed not to cut Medicaid
Trump's budget would cut Medicaid by a lot, despite the president telling the Daily Signal days before launching his White House bid, "I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid."

The administration proposes reducing spending on Medicaid programs by more than $600 billion over the next decade, a massive cut that appears to go on top of $839 billion in Medicaid cuts included in the House health care bill Trump is supporting.

Mulvaney insists that the proposed reduction in spending isn't a cut — it's simply growing less than the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office expects the needs of the program to be. "There are no Medicaid cuts in terms of what normal human beings would call cuts, we are not spending less money than we did the year before," Mulvaney said.

Broken Promise #2: Trump said he wouldn't cut Social Security
Trump's budget proposes slashing the Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI), a $31.4 billion change to the program that pays monthly benefits to over 10 million disabled individuals under the retirement age.
Mulvaney argued that SSDI isn't "what most people would consider to be Social Security" and said he would "hope" less people receive the program once they remove individuals who "should not" be getting it. It's unclear how the administration determined there is that much fraud in the system.

Broken Promise #3: Trump said he'd fully fund the border wall
The president promised to fully fund a border wall, with plans to make Mexico pay for it later, in his "Contract With the American Voter." The president's budget would allocate $2.6 billion for planning, designing, and constructing the border wall and its surrounding securities, but Republican leaders estimate the wall could cost as much as $15 billion.

"While we did not get as much money as we wanted for 2017 omnibus we did get a lot," Mulvaney said. "We are going to continue to press on."
Broken Promise #4: Trump promised to cancel all federal funding to sanctuary cities

This is another contract promise. Trump's administration has tried to restrict funding to so-called "sanctuary" cities — jurisdiction that don't enforce federal immigration priorities and cooperate fully with federal authorities — but their efforts were halted by the courts.

This budget doesn't include any kind of limit on federal funding, and Attorney General Jeff Sessions narrowed the scope of Trump's executive order on the issue in a memo Monday.

Broken Promise #5: Trump said he would increase funding for treatment of PTSD
Trump's budget would increase funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs, but the budget proposal doesn't appear to focus money on PTSD or mental health issues.
It would, however, slash $3.2 billion from the "individual unemployability" benefit, which the budget says will be "modernized." The program allows the VA to more fully compensate disabled veterans, including those with PTSD, whose disability renders them unemployable.

Broken Promise #6: Trump told police union leaders he'd find more funding for training Trump promised resources for training in his voter contract, as well. This budget aims to increase funding for more border agents and immigration judges, increased immigrant detentions, and fighting the opioid crisis, but it does not earmark additional funds for training police.

Broken Promise #7: Trump promised to bring down the debt "fairly quickly"
Barring the kind of hyperbolic growth Trump has promised and economists have disputed, Trump's budget would do little to combat the national debt. Rather, it would potentially increase it.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment for this story.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/donald-trump-s-budget-bre
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There are only three promises that I want Trump to keep. (Do you remember what they were? I repeated them often enough!)

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Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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lol... I think Second is saying that anybody who voted for Trump is pushing for WWIII.

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Did you not realize that a hundred million very ordinary people are pushing the USA toward WWIII? The American working class has strongly supported the wars undertaken by the United States, and it can see that by never winning them, the United States has always lost them. The American heartland has always been emotionally invested in global power. Successive defeats in war left deep wounds in its collective consciousness, as did the indifferent respect paid to veterans returning from the battlefields. That the country with the world’s most powerful military had so often been unable to prevail over its enemies, the heartland attributed to faint-hearted and feckless leadership. Hurt pride resulted in simultaneous calls for a complete withdrawal from foreign adventures, and for an unrestrained use of military force. Leaders such as Trump seem to emerge easily in countries with a colonial past—the United States, France, the UK, the Netherlands, and also Russia. Collective memories of being at the center of the world, or at least of a world of one’s own, seem to make it more difficult to accept relegation to the status of one country among others.

O wie ist alles fern und lange vergangen (Oh, how far away and long has passed) is a sentiment that an entire people can share.
http://inference-review.com/article/trump-and-the-trumpists

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Hi there, useful idiot!

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I never met you, so whatever your opinion is counts for nothing in my very real Texas, but every actual Texas Republican I know but only the ones who are not rich talk about destroying their enemies, both foreign and domestic. Their domestic enemies, who all seem to be Democrats for some reason, get talked about as targets for bullets while foreign enemies are targets for bombs. And what bomb is bigger than the H-bomb?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I never met you, so whatever your opinion is counts for nothing in my very real Texas, but every actual Texas Republican I know but only the ones who are not rich talk about destroying their enemies, both foreign and domestic. Their domestic enemies, who all seem to be Democrats for some reason, get talked about as targets for bullets while foreign enemies are targets for bombs. And what bomb is bigger than the H-bomb?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Texas sounds crazy.

You should probably not classify 100,000,000 people based off of your very smallish demographic of Texas Republicans that you personally know.

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Did you see Mal or River peacefully negotiate with their enemies? Or kill them? That kind of murderous entertainment only works (also see Game of Thrones) with an audience that looks admiringly upon dealing out death.

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So.... what are you saying?

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... Trump may in truth prove to have been the self-absorbed person who ruins the populist brand in the United States.

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The American working class liberal has strongly supported the wars undertaken by the United States Obama and Hillary, and it can see that by never winning them, the United States has always lost them. The American heartland coastal elite has always been emotionally invested in global power. Successive defeats in war left deep wounds in its collective consciousness, as did the indifferent respect paid to veterans interventionists returning from the battlefields. That the country with the world’s most powerful military had so often been unable to prevail over its enemies "tyranny", the heartland elites attributed to faint-hearted and feckless leadership. Hurt pride resulted in simultaneous calls for a complete withdrawal from foreign adventures, and for an unrestrained use of military force against Russia. [INTERVENTIONIST] Leaders such as Trump Obama seem to emerge easily in countries with a colonial past—the United States, France, the UK, the Netherlands, and also Russia. Collective memories of being at the center of the world, or at least of a world of one’s own, seem to make it more difficult to accept relegation to the status of one country among others.

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136,669,237 voted in November for President. Maybe a quarter of them are anti-war.

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SIGGY, I'm trying to find a rational, realistic narrative in your constant splatterings here, and quite honestly it's EASY to tell WHAT you're really saying behind all the blather.= GSTRING

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Okay, now for the promise that Trump has broken that I thought was the most important: making nice with Russia. And hopefully by extension, not meddling so much in the Mideast and elsewhere.

It seems to me that Trump has repudiated CIA-based "regime change" model, which is good. On the other hand, he seems to have thrown his lot in with the military, and THEY seem to be as nucking futs as the CIA .. steaming carriers here there and elsewhere, and firing missiles at whomever they please.

At best, it will generate significant international backlash. At worst, it will trigger a global war. Our military can't attack n Korea without triggering China, and can't attack Iran without triggering Russia. And then what?

If Trump truly meant what he said, then he's going to have to get rid of the military nut-cases in his staff, as well as the spooks in the staff.

KIKI- I agree. No quid pro quo between the Dems/ Awan for the CIA backing off on "Russia!". Rip the bandage off.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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McMaster And Mattis [SHOULD] Have Twelve Months To Succeed In Afghanistan

Authored by James Durso via RealClearDefense.com,

Recently we learned that Erik Prince, founder of the security firm Blackwater Worldwide, and Steve Feinberg, financier, and owner of DynCorp International, a leading military logistics, and training contractor, approached the Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis, with their plan to use contractors instead of American troops to stabilize Afghanistan. The meeting was arranged at the behest of President Trump’s advisors who want to ensure their boss is apprised of the full range of options in Afghanistan.

The Secretary decided to stick with an in-house solution, that is to say, more of the same, for a war we are, in his words, “not winning.” Secretary Mattis is no enemy of contractors, but hopefully, he reflected on what Messrs. Prince and Feinberg said before he briefed President Trump last week on the way ahead in Afghanistan.

Let’s review our progress in Afghanistan:

Provinces under central government control: according to data from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, “the Afghan government controls or influences just 52 percent of the nation’s districts today [February 2017] compared to 72 percent in November 2015.”

*Opium production increased 43% from 2015 to 2016 and has been on an upward trend since 2001.

*U.S. casualties: 2385 dead and 20,290 wounded military; 1691 dead contractors.

* Money spent: over $700 billion, though some analysts say the true cost is in the trillions.

I previously said we should let the Afghans and the neighbors – Iran, Pakistan, and China – try to sort it out, and minimize our work with Afghanistan to counternarcotics and intelligence sharing while we work with the Central Asian states to secure their borders. During the campaign, candidate Trump described the war in Afghanistan as “a complete waste” and has focused his efforts since inauguration on everything else, leaving the policy review to the national security advisor, Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster, which brings us to the problem…

General McMaster spent several months trying to convince the President to commit more troops and agree to a four-year timeline in advance of May’s NATO summit meeting; he was blocked by the secretaries of Defense and State. McMaster then made a second try at last week’s National Security Council Principals Committee, only to get pushback from Trump. Seen in that light, the suggestion that the White House would consider the Prince-Feinberg plan was a billboard-sized hint that the President does not want a more-of-the-same solution.

There is no Afghanistan “policy vacuum,” General McMaster has simply forgotten that it is his job to get in sync with the President, not the other way around. His thinking is emblematic of the military’s approach to sunk costs – the dead and wounded soldiers – as opposed to a businessman’s. The military may be reluctant to abandon a political objective if it feels doing so will dishonor the sacrifice of the soldiers who died and were wounded trying to achieve the objective. It is an understandable sentiment, but illogical to someone with a business background asking for a solution to a $700 billion campaign almost two decades old and with no end in sight.

President Trump understandably wants to see if his administration can stabilize Afghanistan, so using contractors may give him the option to try something new while reducing military casualties that grab the headlines. (He is no doubt aware that the parts of the country that provide most of the military’s troops are part of his electoral base.)

If President Trump approves a McMaster plan that Mattis is comfortable with, as Defense will have to be on board, he should give them twelve months – not four years - to show real progress – not PowerPoint progress - defined as more provinces under central government control, and a sharp reduction in opium cultivation. Metrics such as the number of Afghan police and soldiers trained are merely inputs, not the only output that counts: the provision of public safety in Afghanistan’s ungoverned spaces.

The U.S. has been militarily and diplomatically engaged in Afghanistan for 16 years so cries for “more time” ring hollow. Messrs. McMaster and Mattis are not new to Afghanistan so they can start implementing their good ideas immediately.

Most importantly, a twelve-month deadline will give the President the option to fire McMaster or Mattis before the November 2018 elections if the “M&M” plan fails to show progress. The President needs to heed President Bush’s mistake of not firing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld before the 2006 election, which contributed to the Democrats gaining 31 seats in the House of Representative and 6 seats in the Senate, giving the Democrats control of both chambers, until the GOP took back the House in 2011 and the Senate in 2015.

And to any caviling about domestic concerns affecting our foreign policy, I say, “Darn right. Why shouldn’t they?” Foreign and defense policy should not be a consequence-free zone for the staff practitioners, who have to answer to elected officials who take seriously their obligation to keep their promises to the voters.

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Yanno, you have NEVER addressed our American interests. Are you sure that you're really American, and that you have our interests at heart? - SIGNY

Yeah, I thought not. - SIGNY

Here's a perfect example of what a nutcase, sham you are. You ask a question and wait 12 minutes for an answer and since I'm busy with RL, you can't hold your bladder so you make up an answer for me. (Of course it's wrong, but whatever - accuracy and honesty have never been your thing).

SIGGY = Russia First, above all things.

Here's a question: what are Russia's interests?- GSTRING

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