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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Trump doesn't actually feel any fire. He's writing that for the pro-Trump nuts that read all of his tweets and take them at face value. He's probably writing that for all of the Anti-Trump nuts that read all of his tweets and take them at face value too.

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People inside the White House also called the new Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue. Perdue had only been confirmed, like, a day or two earlier. And they called him in, [saying], “You need to come over here now! You need to! He’s about to withdraw from NAFTA.”

So Sonny Perdue literally asked his staff to draw up a map of the bits of America that had voted for Donald Trump and the bits of America that do well from exporting grain and corn through NAFTA. [The map] showed how these two areas often overlap. So he went in, said to Donald Trump, “Actually, Trump America, your voters, they do pretty well out of NAFTA.” And the president said, “Oh. Then maybe I won’t withdraw from NAFTA.”

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Originally posted by second:
You are joking. He is not that clever. For an example of him saying and tweeting one thing, over and over, then doing the opposite without thinking: Trump had a very clear position on NAFTA -- he would withdraw from the treaty. Now his position is foggy and confused. He had a position. He knew what he would do, then he let it all fall apart. His position became chaos on NAFTA. How close did Trump came to leaving NAFTA?
www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-12/economist-reporter-dishes-trumps-primin
g-pump-interview

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

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Originally posted by second:
You are joking. He is not that clever. For an example of him saying and tweeting one thing, over and over, then doing the opposite without thinking: Trump had a very clear position on NAFTA -- he would withdraw from the treaty. Now his position is foggy and confused. He had a position. He knew what he would do, then he let it all fall apart. His position became chaos on NAFTA. How close did Trump came to leaving NAFTA?
www.pri.org/stories/2017-05-12/economist-reporter-dishes-trumps-primin
g-pump-interview

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So your example is a President renigging on a campaign promise. Just like every... single... president... ever.

You all thought GWB was stupid too, and look where that got us.


You should probably focus on things like this, instead of keeping up with the Russian narrative. It might be too late though. With 150 days of bitching and whining about ghosts and phantoms, you're solidifying Trumps base so much that they're just about willing to overlook any of his actual sins.

Yeah, he's dumb like a fox.

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Originally posted by second:
Did not Trump's base want Trump to withdraw from NAFTA? Did not Trump's base believe that 5 million manufacturing jobs were lost because of NAFTA? So has Trump's base changed their minds about NAFTA just because 1 million farmers will sell a little less corn to Mexico if NAFTA is cancelled? Will Trump's base happily sacrifice the lives 5 million factory workers because Trump changed his mind for no reason other than Trump's agricultural secretary said that keeping NAFTA will keep 1 million farmers voting for Trump? I'd say Trump's base is pretty much off-base on NAFTA. It is like Trump's base is as confused about what they believe about NAFTA as Trump is.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Let me put it this way, Second.....

I don't watch FOX news, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a whole lot of coverage of anything about NAFTA on there right now.

Figure the rest out.

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Let me put it this way, Second.....

I don't watch FOX news, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a whole lot of coverage of anything about NAFTA on there right now.

Figure the rest out.

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I watch Fox and it is not covering NAFTA because it doesn’t want to remind voters that Trump was to bring back millions of manufacturing jobs by withdrawing from foreign trade treaties, especially NAFTA, and it would all be free of cost to the voters. It was a tremendous bargain for the voters! This was what Trump voters once believed Trump would do for them, but now have forgotten the bargain because Fox isn’t reminding them daily. In a contest, the Fox commentator always wins against the economic knowledge of the typical Trump voter. That is why the commentator is paid millions per year by Fox while the Trump voter earns only thousands per year. There is really no contest about who is smarter and who deserves more pay.

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Is Trump Nuts?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I hope you realize that there's ZERO evidence for anything he said.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

You, apparently, don't know the meaning of the word EVIDENCE. It means something other than someone's say-so ... especially someone's anonymous say-so, made without any indication that they're in any position to know anything at all.

Let's go through some of those CLAIMS.

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“We have this very strange story now of this young man who worked for the Democratic National Committee, who apparently was assassinated at 4 in the morning, having given WikiLeaks something like 53,000 emails and 17,000 attachments,” Gingrich said.

“Nobody’s investigating that, and what does that tell you about what’s going on? Because it turns out, it wasn’t the Russians. It was this young guy who, I suspect, was disgusted by the corruption of the Democratic National Committee. He’s been killed, and apparently nothing serious has been done to investigative his murder. So I’d like to see how [Robert S.] Mueller [III] is going to define what his assignment is.”

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Originally posted by JO753:
HEY! I shoud start riting wun now! It'll be a best seller if I can get it published first!


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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I guess you don't like the sources of my info - WaPo, Forbes, CNN, Daily Mail - and what they have to say. Or not.

And since you can't address actual facts, as usual, you turn personal and deflect.

Same old SECOND RATE.

Putting you on 'ignore' - again.

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Originally posted by JO753:
HEY! I shoud start riting wun now! It'll be a best seller if I can get it published first!

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That's if you don't write it in nu-alf.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I hope you realize that there's ZERO evidence for anything he said.

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Incorrect. Therez a rapidly growing mountain.

Its the GoP propaganda machine that keeps pushing 'no evidens' and chowderhedz like you who want to beleev it.

Its like watching a stubborn blind man walking around without a cane. You keep warning him, but he yellz that you dont no wut youre tokking about. You cant help watching him wander into the street and get hit by a truck and then say 'I told you so' at the funeral.

The problem iz that us nonblind Americanz are handcuffed to you idiots.

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1kiki's a liar and a troll. The proof of this always finds a way to establish itself. In this case, it's in her denials that there is evidence of Trumps acting improperly. In her denials of Russia interfering in our elections.

It may come out soon that Trump introduced Flynn to the Russians in the first place. If so, I'm sure he and his family will feel a pressure unmatched by the pressure they feel today.

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1kiki's THUGR'S a liar and a troll. The proof of this always finds a way to establish itself. In this case, it's in her it's denials that there is evidence of Trumps the security state acting improperly. In her it's denials of Russia interfering in our elections the deep state interfering with our elected President

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I coud spend an entire day asking Hannity or O'Rielly or any other Trump supporter to explain every individual Russian connection fact and they'd still be spouting 'zero evidens'.

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There are only a few people Trump needs to please: two are the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leader. - SECOND

He only needz to pleez Putin. If you take that perspectiv, everything he duz makes sens. Anything that makes the GoPs happy iz only insidental to serving Putin. - JO000

JO, does Putin have "the" vote that guarantees impeachment?
No?
Is Putin on the NYT/ WaPo/ CNN/ MSNBC editorial Board?
No?
Does he have moles in the FBI?
No?
So tell me, HOW does Putin manage to save Trump's ass?
I'm not being sarcastic, I expect a serious and thoughtful answer. One which I'm afraid you will refuse to provide.- SIGNY

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Put up, or shut up.

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Put up, or shut up.- SIGNY

For clarity, I'll start a new topic. _JO

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Put up, or shut up.- SIGNY

For clarity, I'll start a new topic. _JO

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Excellent! I look forward to it.

Now, also for clarity, will you be attempting to show that the Trump campaign had "contacts" with Russia?

That Russia "hacked" our elections?

Or that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?

Or is colluding with Russia now?

Or will you be simply showing that the Trump administration had 'contacts' with Russia? (which BTW I would expect to occur as part of a normal Presidency.)

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It's impossible to list all the varied ways the White House attempted to impair investigations from the grand jury, from the special Senate committee eventually formed to deal with the scandal, and from the independent counsel appointed to investigate the affair. But here are a few:

* Within days of the break-in, Nixon decided to ask the CIA to disrupt the FBI's investigation of the incident, on the grounds that it concerned matters of national security; the CIA, however, resisted the order.

* Throughout the FBI's early investigation, White House counsel Dean sat in on interviews with witnesses and got regular updates from Gray.

* The White House paid hush money to co-conspirators, including $75,000 to Hunt personally; Nixon was caught on tape discussing the arrangements with Dean.

* Nixon tried, to no avail, to have aides manufacture dictatape evidence to give to Judge Sirica.

* Nixon implied to Ehrlichman that they should prevent Dean from continuing to cooperate with investigators by offering him clemency in exchange for keeping his mouth shut.

* Ehrlichman ordered Colson to offer clemency to Hunt in exchange for silence.

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1kiki's THUGR'S a liar and a troll. The proof of this always finds a way to establish itself. In this case, it's in her it's denials that there is evidence of Trumps the security state acting improperly. In her it's denials of Russia interfering in our elections the deep state interfering with our elected President

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Fixed it for you.

Now go cry how I "misquoted" you and make a bigger ass of yourself

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You did misquote me. You do it all the time. Just as you misquote others here and reported news stories. It's what you do as a troll. Any time facts are posted you have to challenge them.

Quoting others is supposed to represent exactly what someone else said. Just as it's said there is no honor among thieves, there is none amongst trolls comrade.

And your defense of Trump is funny · comical · humorous · droll · jocular · hilarious · amusing · diverting · entertaining · jokey · wacky · waggish · side-splitting · rib-tickling .

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Meh, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The investigation is STILL underway, although at this point I sure would like to know what, exactly, in being investigated because the goal seems to be wandering all over the place.

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Originally posted by second:
He is certainly acting squirrelly about releasing those documents, isn't he?

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He is certainly acting squirrelly about releasing those documents, isn't he?

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Once again you show your ignorance on the subject of tax returns.

The IRS already knows what is in them. If there was anything illegal in them, we'd already know about it because Trump would be in handcuffs.

Don't believe me? Ask Al Capone if he gave the IRS permission.

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Originally posted by second:
But what if Trump did not report it? The IRS would never know because it is strictly hush-hush between Trump and his Russians. It is no-longer hush-hush when FBI agents with search warrants visit Trump's accountants to see who was paid and when they were paid.

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But what if Trump did not report it? The IRS would never know because it is strictly hush-hush between Trump and his Russians. It is no-longer hush-hush when FBI agents with search warrants visit Trump's accountants to see who was paid and when they were paid.

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You're really dealing in a lot of theoreticals here.

Why would trumps accountants know about anything that wasn't reported in his taxes? It's not as if H&R Block would be able to tell the IRS how many unclaimed tips a waitress got over the year.

Why would somebody running for President expose himself like this and leave a bunch of loose ends lying all around?

Why would the GOP have allowed Trump to be their guy in the first place if there was even any real suspicion that he had been a tax cheat, since that would be so easily provable? Seeing as how almost the entire GOP was against Trump the whole way too, why didn't they chase this phantom themselves?




As for the FBI being able to do what the IRS is not able to do, that was still done against Al Capone without his permission and even his knowledge. If the IRS suspects that his tax returns are bogus, there's nothing stopping them from having the FBI investigate it. For all we know they already are.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

"Trump will Figure Out a Way to Resign." Art of the Deal Ghostwriter
Tony Schwartz says on YouTube.

I can believe that Trump is vacant, hollow, desperate, adrift.
Not at all self-directed mature rational.

Yeah ... he's nuts.

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Originally posted by second:
I don't know what tax scams Trump has run, but just from looking at his fake numbers in his federal budget, he is the kind of character who would cheat the IRS. That ain't theoretical.

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I don't know what tax scams Trump has run, but just from looking at his fake numbers in his federal budget, he is the kind of character who would cheat the IRS. That ain't theoretical.

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No. But it's besides the point.

He's only "hiding" his returns from the MSM and the American people. Agencies within the Government already know what are in them, and if they suspect anything nefarious it is within their purview to have it investigated. That's how tax returns work. Nobody is above that law.


I don't know why Trump doesn't release them to the public though. You know what a troll he is. He's probably enjoying the media attention and maybe he's saying to himself if Obama didn't have to share his birth certificate, I'm not going to share my taxes. Neener Neener.

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Originally posted by second:
How you could get to adulthood and not know that tens of millions of Americans successfully cheat on trillions of dollars in taxes? They never will be forced to pay.

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How you could get to adulthood and not know that tens of millions of Americans successfully cheat on trillions of dollars in taxes? They never will be forced to pay.

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Are you daft?

Of course it happens all of the time.

There is a difference between 10's of Millions of Americans who cheat on their taxes and Donald Trump in this instance though.

He's the Fucking President! All eyes are on him. If anything, the IRS and FBI have EVEN MORE reason to investigate his tax returns because he won't release them to the public.

I will state again for the record that nowhere is it written at all that any President or candidate for the Presidency is in any way required to do so. He is not breaking any laws by not releasing his tax returns.

So investigate them. Punish him if there is a reason for him to be punished. And shut the fuck up.

Don't talk to me about adulthood. Trying to speak with you is like trying to speak with a child who thinks they're clever enough to get away with something stupid.

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Originally posted by second:
With Trump out of the country all this week, things have calmed down at my work. We could test the theory that there is a "Trump Effect" by having the White House schedule another long foreign trip later this year. A week, or a month vacation without Trump would be nice for the USA. Even Republicans have to notice that the country continues when Trump is not around to provide leadership.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

So what are you saying here? CNN and MSNBC just got boring now that Trump is out of the country?

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"Per Vatican protocol, women who have an audience with the Pope are required to wear long sleeves, formal black clothing, and a veil to cover the head," Stephanie Grisham, spokesperson for the first lady, said in a statement to CNN.

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Both Melania and Ivanka Trump eschewed headscarves during their recent visit to Saudi Arabia, a conservative Muslim country where women are expected to wear headscarves. The move contradicted President Donald Trump’s old criticism of former first lady Michelle Obama for making a similar decision.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I'm curious as to why Trump would go along with the Catholic stuff though. He doesn't strike me as a particularly religious guy. I think he was trolling again.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Now I know he was trolling the religion of Islam and their barbaric ideologies.

Good.

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