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Russia wants to upend Western democracy

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Monday, January 30, 2017 6:10 PM

THGRRI


Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
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And Trump is his best ally in this.

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Monday, January 30, 2017 11:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:26 AM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen



I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. What he represents in not democracy.

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Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


What you represent isn't Democracy either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 1, 2017 5:29 PM

THGRRI




Democracy is all encompassing rap or it's not a democracy. What you describe is hate.

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Sunday, February 12, 2017 10:29 AM

THGRRI



NATO: Russian Propaganda Up Since Crimea Offensive

NATO and EU officials are increasingly worried about Russia's ability to spread disinformation via TV and internet.

By Reuters On 2/11/17

NATO accused Russia of escalating a disinformation campaign since the Kremlin's 2014 seizure of Ukraine's Crimea region, saying Russian websites such as Sputnik and RT had posted false stories, the alliance's spokeswoman said on Saturday.

There is increasing concern among senior NATO and European Union officials over Russia's ability to use television and the Internet to spread what they say is fake news.

The defense alliance of 28 democracies says it has recorded more than a score of Russian myths in the last two years which it has attempted to knock down with factsheets, interviews, rebuttals and videos.

http://europe.newsweek.com/nato-russian-propaganda-crimea-offensive-55
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Video below opens up in your media player. If you don't wish that then don't click on the link.

http://ps.ibt.com/2016/12/12/top-tips-1481539254.mp4


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Monday, February 13, 2017 6:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Now I know you're not supposed to feed trolls - but maybe baiting them is OK. HEY THUGGER! I just called you a troll over here! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, February 13, 2017 7:03 PM

THGRRI


Gone fishing, back later.



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Monday, February 13, 2017 7:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Too humiliated to deny being a troll? Well - I guess that proves it! By his own inability to say he's not a troll, THUGGER has called himself one!

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:40 AM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Too humiliated to deny being a troll? Well - I guess that proves it! By his own inability to say he's not a troll, THUGGER has called himself one!



Speaking of Russia Trolls. See ya, bye



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Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:02 AM

THGRRI


This is only the pulling of the first string. His top advisors are a joke and a danger to this country's well being. It only took three weeks. You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously. So now I want to hear you give Trump equal time. Besides the Flynn scandal, he had an open air security briefing at his key largo golf course. He was surrounded by the general public as he was being briefed on his cell phone ( his cell phone ) about North Korea. Big mistake, big mistake.

Lets hear it SIG. Your guy is turning out to be a disaster. Come on 1kiki, SIG. let's hear the outrage.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2017 4:30 PM

THGRRI


ISIS Doesn't Stand A Chance, Unless America 'Engages' Russia

The proposal that America engage Russia to fight Islamic terrorism is beyond folly. Russia’s recent intrusion into America’s electoral process may flag caution. But that is woefully insufficient. The proposal is either willed ignorance or studied reality reversal.

First, the proposal dismisses Russia as the overarching existential threat to our existence, both as a free democratic society and physically. For all its savagery, ISIS is not an existential threat, whether to the U.S. or to Europe. ISIS beheads individuals. The Kremlin decapitates entire democratic processes. Russia has and is everything ISIS does not and is not. Russia remains, as was the Soviet Union, the largest country on earth, including an entire third of Asia. It seamlessly projects its power across 11 times zones, from Europe to the Sea of Japan to miles within the U.S. border. Its combined nuclear/conventional/chemical/biological arsenal transcends anything we can muster.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/02/14/isis-doesnt-stand-a-ch
ance-unless-america-engages-russia/#2a74b13f5fc1


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Monday, February 27, 2017 8:44 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

Rap,

Would be ironic if Russia upended our own socialism by telling the truth about it.

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Monday, February 27, 2017 9:12 AM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

Rap,

Would be ironic if Russia upended our own socialism by telling the truth about it.


Ok, I see. Where you from dreamtrove?

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Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:16 AM

DREAMTROVE


New York, you?

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Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just a couple of comments

Quote:
I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. - THUGR
"Back" to where? Russia? That's where he is!

Quote:
This is only the pulling of the first string. His top advisors are a joke and a danger to this country's well being. It only took three weeks. You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously- THUGR
No, I was busting Hillary's chops for being more invested in representing Saudi Arabia's interests than ours.



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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Friday, March 10, 2017 8:44 PM

THGRRI


Julian Assange and Russia

During the press conference, Assange tried to back away from accusations linking him to Russia and said the WikiLeaks operation was “a neutral, digital Switzerland.”

However, some experts question the organization’s motives, pointing to alleged ties between WikiLeaks and Russia.

"Everything they have done over the last few months suggests they are operating as a front for a different leaker [Russia],” Ryan Kalember, SVP of Cybersecurity Strategy at Proofpoint, told the Guardian .

Kalember added the apparent ties to the Kremlin and WikiLeaks’ record of publishing identifying information about individuals has dwindled trust in the organization.

“No one in the information security community really trusts him and his motives,” he said. “I think at this point Assange is effectively acting in the service of the Russian government, whether intentionally or not,” said Kalember.

Assange has been viewed as favoring Trump after WikiLeaks released hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta last year. Top U.S. intel officials believe Russia hacked Democrats to help President Donald Trump win the election last November. A Russian state-backed group called Cozy Bear is believed to be behind the DNC hacks last year. The release of hacked documents had a major impact on Clinton’s presidency bid, leading her to lose the election to Trump.

http://www.ibtimes.com/wikileaks-cia-news-tech-companies-question-assa
nges-help-ties-russia-2506445


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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:59 AM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Now I know you're not supposed to feed trolls - but maybe baiting them is OK. HEY THUGGER! I just called you a troll over here! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366




He speaks about flooding a country with fake news. To play on peoples emotions. To feed what they perceive is wrong and incite them into destroying something rather than fixing it. That's you and SIG, 1kiki.



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Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:06 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
He speaks about flooding a country with fake news. To play on peoples emotions. To feed what they perceive is wrong and incite them into destroying something rather than fixing it.







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Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:49 PM

THGRRI


Tell it to McCain and Graham. Or are they trolling as well when they say the same thing?

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Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:11 AM

6STRINGJOKER


I've seen a lot of destruction in the last year or two.

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Monday, March 20, 2017 4:58 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!
Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

Rap,

Would be ironic if Russia upended our own socialism by telling the truth about it.



It would be impossible.



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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.oh me, oh my.


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Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:08 AM

THGRRI


NATO is "no longer obsolete," President Trump declares


President Donald Trump said NATO is “no longer obsolete,” in a joint news conference Wednesday with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg after their first face-to-face meeting at the White House.

“I said it was obsolete,” Mr. Trump said. “It’s no longer obsolete.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-nato-secretary-general-meet-hold-new
s-conference-live-updates/







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Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:35 PM

THGRRI


I'm from New York as well dreamtorve. A state where we hunt down Russian trolls and feed them to the rats.







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Thursday, April 13, 2017 5:44 PM

6STRINGJOKER


You sure get a lot done from Mom's basement.

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Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:15 PM

DREAMTROVE


Huh. Where in NY? We have a lot of Russians here in NY, we don't hunt them down, we ask their hackers to start companies and then we give them all our money, and our private personal information.

So do you live in Trump City or Trumpland?

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Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:58 PM

THGRRI


Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents

It recommended the Kremlin launch a propaganda campaign on social media and Russian state-backed global news outlets to encourage U.S. voters to elect a president who would take a softer line toward Russia than the administration of then-President Barack Obama, the seven officials said.

A second institute document, drafted in October and distributed in the same way, warned that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was likely to win the election. For that reason, it argued, it was better for Russia to end its pro-Trump propaganda and instead intensify its messaging about voter fraud to undermine the U.S. electoral system’s legitimacy and damage Clinton’s reputation in an effort to undermine her presidency, the seven officials said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-election-exclusive-idUSKB
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Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:54 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


According to Reuters, there's no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded in this. It was purely a Russian operation. Nor did the RISS plans say anything about the release of hacked emails. "The officials said the hacking was a covert intelligence operation run separately out of the Kremlin."

1) So we have the RISS plan.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-election-exclusive-idUSKBN17L2N3

2) We have the RT cable network and the Sputnik news agency, which specialized in anti-Clinton stories. Trump knows ‘nothing about Russia,’ He just repeats their propaganda.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/trump-knows-nothing-about
-russia-repeats-their-propaganda.html

3) We have the email hacks, which were far more extensive than initially reported.
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/us/politics/democratic-party-russia-hack-cy
berattack.html

4) We have the Russian troll factory in St. Petersburg writing pro-Trump tweets under hundreds of aliases.
www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0

5) We have thousands of Russian Twitter bots to make sure the tweets went viral.
www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/04/03/522503844/how-russia
n-twitter-bots-pumped-out-fake-news-during-the-2016-election

6) We have Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear and dozens of other covert Russian operations.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/12/new-report-says-russian-hacking
-came-russia

7) We have Guccifer 2.0.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-inte
rview

8) We have DCLeaks.com.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-11/russian-hackers-of-dnc-said
-to-scoop-up-secrets-from-nato-soros

9) And finally, Russia appears to have used Wikileaks for maximum exposure of all its hacks.
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/top-russians-celebrated-when-trump-won-in
tel-report-says-source-n703741

That's a pretty big operation. Did it work? We'll never know, but given how close the election was, the answer is probably yes. Probably Trump will loosen financial regulation along the same lines as Bush, then the USA can probably have another 2008 style financial collapse. Then it is kudos to Putin for his farsighted understanding of American Capitalism! You can know as much as Putin’s best advisers about how Capitalism can repeat big mistakes by watching The Big Short. www.metacritic.com/movie/the-big-short

The following video is not a spoiler because you already lived through this -- you just didn’t understand it while the crash was happening in 2008:
The Big Short and its short message summarizing the movie


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Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:02 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Probably Trump will loosen financial regulation along the same lines as Bush, then the USA can probably have another 2008 style financial collapse. Then it is kudos to Putin for his farsighted understanding of American Capitalism!


But we'll just overlook the quantitative easing that has been happening in 2009 that was the largest contributor to Obama doubling the national debt in 8 years while the quality of life for the average American fell.



We're already part of a major financial collapse. Those of us who don't understand how money works just don't know it yet.


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Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:25 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

But we'll just overlook the quantitative easing that has been happening in 2009 that was the largest contributor to Obama doubling the national debt in 8 years while the quality of life for the average American fell.

We're already part of a major financial collapse. Those of us who don't understand how money works just don't know it yet.
History suggests there is a way to let the poor get richer, the rich get poorer. But you’re not going to like it
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/19/history-suggests-there-
is-a-way-to-lower-inequality-but-youre-not-going-to-like-it/

Rising economic inequality in the United States has been a major animating force on both the political left and the right. Whether it is Sen. Bernie Sanders promising to rebuild blue-collar communities or President Trump pledging to "make America great again," today's political platforms often revolve around a return to the perceived "normal" of a vibrant middle class and more equitable distribution of wealth that America experienced in the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s.

Yet with a broader look at history, it's clear that period of falling inequality was the exception, and that today's increasing inequality is more a return to the norm. And when inequality did fall throughout history, Stanford University professor Walter Scheidel argues in a new book, it tended to do so for very unpleasant reasons.

In “The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century,” Scheidel examines societies from ancient history to the present. He finds that most societies gradually grew more unequal over time, and where those inequalities were leveled out, they were almost always done so by violent forces — war, revolution or plague. The work contains some shocking lessons about the nature of inequality and what that might mean for our future.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Question: We saw an unusually large drop in inequality during World War I and World War II. Has that shaped people’s perceptions of what inequality should look like?

It has. The postwar period, the ’50s, ’60s and ’70s, has become the reference point. In that period, economic growth was strong, the middle class was expanding, and inequality was low by current standards. But since the 1980s, growth has slowed, and what growth we have disproportionately benefits the famous 1 percent, at the very top at the income distribution.

That marks a real change from the postwar period, and that is understandably perceived as undesirable. But if you look at history more broadly, it’s the postwar period that was anomalous.

When Trump said, “Make America great again,” that implies there was once a period where things were better, and in people’s consciousness it is the postwar period, where you had strong economic growth, a strong middle class and low inequality. But that’s an unusual combination, and it’s difficult to see how we would get back on that track.

Question: Your book goes far back in history to study inequality. How do you study inequality in ancient societies? What can things like burials and archaeology tell us?

If you go back in time to societies that don’t even have writing, basically all you have are graves. Some people were buried with much more lavish goods than other people, suggesting that they were better off in life and held positions of power and authority.

Question: Is it possible this time could be different?

Everything’s possible. It’s just I reckon people after World War II had the same idea. They had industrialized economies for the first time, full democracy, mass education. It was a reasonable assumption that high inequality would never return. And it turned out to be untrue, because other forces reasserted themselves. Inasmuch as there are trends visible now, like technology, globalization, aging, they actually point toward greater, rather than diminished, inequality.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:31 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Things are much different this time around. We have now spent the second half of my lifetime in wars and rather than being good for the economy it is one of the largest things destroying it.

There also has never been a Central Bank system like we have today that makes losers out of all of us. And in 2009, under the Obama Administration and a new FED chief, quantitative easing was like giving the FED a booster shot of trenbolone.


Did you watch the video Second? It is pretty fascinating. It's also a non-partisan look at what our monetary system has become. I have no doubt that quantitative easing would have happened whether it was Obama or McCain in office. Doesn't matter.

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Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:07 PM

JO753

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:He finds that most societies gradually grew more unequal over time, and where those inequalities were leveled out, they were almost always done so by violent forces — war, revolution or plague.


I suspect thats wuts going to happen.



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Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:11 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I have no doubt that quantitative easing would have happened whether it was Obama or McCain in office. Doesn't matter.
If the Republicans could have their way, "easing" would not have been done because, well, you’d have to read two articles about how "easing" works and how a certain kind of economist's mind, always a Republican mind, works:
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/fiscal-aspects-of-quantit
ative-easing-wonkish/
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/quantitative-easing-and-m
onetary-aggregates/?_r=0

You know, a successful prediction is supposed to change peoples’ minds: if you’re wrong about how an experiment turned out, and someone else made a prediction you considered foolish but turned out completely right, you’re supposed to concede that just maybe, possibly, they were on to something.

The fact that essentially nobody on the Republican side of the debate has budged in the slightest tells us that whatever it is they’ve been doing, it’s not scientific research.

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Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:25 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I'll quote Michael, who posted on the 2nd article back in February of 2015.

Quote:
Why does the chart end in September 2007? I hate it when Krugman cherry picks his data to support his theories...

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Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

Would be ironic if Russia upended our own socialism by telling the truth about it.



Regardless of how it happened, the Truth about the Dems and who they are has come out. And it didn't stop on election night either.

Funny thing is, by denying the Left, who ever compromised them, made the US a tougher player at the bargaining table w/ Trump than they would have had w/ Hillary. So, I have to really wonder...

If not the Russians, and not Soros, who's the puppet master behind all this ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:27 PM

THGRRI


Russian naval intelligence ship sinks off Turkey's Black Sea coast

ISTANBUL - A Russian naval intelligence ship sank off Turkey's Black Sea coast on Thursday after colliding with a vessel carrying livestock, and all 78 personnel on board the navy ship were evacuated, Turkish officials said.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-naval-intelligence-ship-si
nks-off-turkeys-black-sea-coast/ar-BBArkrR?ocid=BHEA000






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Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:42 AM

THGRRI


Putin wants to show his citizenry that democracy is no better than what they have. It's what keeps most Russians from taking to the streets to protest for something better.

Well, as this shit plays out with Trump the checks and balances of our democracy, are showing the Russian people our system and our rule of law is much better than what Putin offers. What he offers is no better than what is offered in the Middle East; bad and corrupt government.






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Tuesday, July 11, 2017 1:31 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html


And Trump is his best ally in this.


I just want to keep our eye on the ball. Russia has an end game and we need to protect our way of life, and the hope of all free thinking people.






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Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:53 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

Putin wants to show his citizenry that democracy is no better than what they have. It's what keeps most Russians from taking to the streets to protest for something better.

Well, as this shit plays out with Trump the checks and balances of our democracy, are showing the Russian people our system and our rule of law is much better than what Putin offers. What he offers is no better than what is offered in the Middle East; bad and corrupt government.



lol.... and the emails that Clinton had back and forth with Middle Easterners about things like the million dollar birthday president to Bill didn't bother you at all......

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Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:10 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

Putin wants to show his citizenry that democracy is no better than what they have. It's what keeps most Russians from taking to the streets to protest for something better.

Well, as this shit plays out with Trump the checks and balances of our democracy, are showing the Russian people our system and our rule of law is much better than what Putin offers. What he offers is no better than what is offered in the Middle East; bad and corrupt government.



lol.... and the emails that Clinton had back and forth with Middle Easterners about things like the million dollar birthday president to Bill didn't bother you at all......


I should get a stamp made that allows me to stamp your responses to facts about Trumps indiscretions, fallacy of relative privation. You constantly dredge up indiscretions from the past to address harmful facts posted about Trump today. It's not only ridiculous, but you make false claims that those whom you are conversing with, finds those past indiscretions acceptable.






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Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:02 PM

THGRRI


Russia’s Bolshoi Scraps Ballet Three Days Before Premiere

MOSCOW — Russia’s Bolshoi Theater has canceled a much-anticipated ballet about dancer Rudolf Nureyev just three days before the opening night, a development that got many in Moscow’s art scene to speak of a return to censorship.

The Russian Culture Ministry on Monday confirmed reports that the decision was announced after the minister had a chat with the theater’s director but denied exerting any pressure on Russia’s legendary institution.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/russia-s-bolshoi-scraps-ballet-
three-days-premiere-n781541






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Friday, July 14, 2017 5:22 PM

THGRRI


Kim Jong Un sends North Korean slaves to Russia to earn cash for regime

Brutal North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is shipping tens of thousands of impoverished citizens to Russia for the hard currency his cash-strapped regime desperately needs, Fox News has found.

Alarmed human rights groups say the North Korea workers in Russia are little more than slaves, subjected to everything from cruel and violent acts to ruthless exploitation at the hands of corrupt officials, while being forced to turn over large chunks of their pay to the North Korean government.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/14/kim-jong-un-sends-north-korean
-laborers-to-russia-to-earn-cash-for-regime.html






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Friday, July 28, 2017 12:52 PM

THGRRI


A Putin advisor warns Russia could face decades of low growth under US sanctions

Russia risks being saddled with U.S. sanctions for decades, curbing economic growth and preventing it from regaining its status as a leading economic power, an adviser to President Vladimir Putin said in an interview.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-russia-risks-decades-of-low-growth-un
der-us-sanctions-putin-adviser-2017-7






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Friday, July 28, 2017 5:28 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
A Putin advisor warns Russia could face decades of low growth under US sanctions

Russia risks being saddled with U.S. sanctions for decades, curbing economic growth and preventing it from regaining its status as a leading economic power, an adviser to President Vladimir Putin said in an interview.



I believe that the future of the planet is: people who think alike about the role of government. It's a matter of time. Maybe hundreds of years though. Sad!

==============================


The position seems to agree with the widespread impression that things are not going well in the paradigmatic liberal democracies. Generally, he endorses the claim made famous by Winston Churchill, that “democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others.” He claims that Russia and China, and other authoritarian systems, in contrast, have little soft-power appeal. Most people wouldn't want to go and live there. The U.S. Has been the paradigm example of a large democracy in the post-WWII world, but it shows signs of wear and decay—as with some other larger-scale democracies. Fukuyama complains of “vetocracy,” not only in the U.S., but also other countries such as Greece, India and Ukraine. The idea is that power in western democracies has been “captured by elites” who can veto anything which crosses their interests; and it will take some shock to the system to get needed reforms.



Is liberal democracy in decline?. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_liberal_democracy_in_decline/1 [accessed Jul 28, 2017].






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Saturday, July 29, 2017 2:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The claim:

Russia wants to upend Western democracy


Or, more specifically, according to THUGGER:
Quote:
Originally posted by THUGGER:
Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
.html


Addressing the innuendo that perhaps French and German elections were hacked - as usual no evidence was provided. However, since Germany's federal elections haven't been held yet (they're scheduled for 24 September 2017) it's premature to say they've 'been' hacked. As for France's elections, the NSA claims Russia hacked them. French intelligence says it doesn't appear to be a state actor, and refuses to assign it to anyone or any country. The Latest: France says no trace of Russian hacking Macron https://www.apnews.com/fc570e4b400f4c7db3b0d739e9dc5d4d


Looking into whether or not Russia 'hacked' the US election, the two major claims were based on the notion that Russia 'hacked' the DNC; and also 'hacked' Podesta's emails. However, US intelligence was never allowed to look at the DNC servers. All information came from whatever CrowdStrike released to them, and its comments made about them. And 'all' 17 US intelligence agencies didn't conclude Russia 'hacked' the servers, only 4 did, and only three with 'high confidence'. Less has been made of the Podesta emails. Buy they too weren't directly investigated by US intelligence agencies. Instead "Researchers from the Atlanta-based cybersecurity firm Dell SecureWorks" came to that conclusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_emails So both 'hacks' were attributed to Russia by private security firms; and US intelligence never directly investigated any evidence - it merely echoed both the data and conclusions it was given.

To date, there's been no public agency investigation of either server. All claims are based on second-hand (and highly selected) information provided by private cybersecurity firms.


Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Thursday, November 16, 2017 6:51 PM

THGRRI


U.K. Agency Reports Russian Hacking Across Industries

LONDON—Russia has launched cyberattacks against the U.K. media, telecommunications and energy sectors, the British government’s top cybersecurity official said, underscoring the possibility that Russian attacks on U.K. computer networks are more extensive than the government previously said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-agency-reports-russian-hacking-across
-industries-1510761855?mod=rss_europe_whats_news






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Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:06 PM

THGRRI


It says to protect form those who try to undermine our democracy. As I've been saying and kiki and sig have been denying. It looks like Facebook agrees with me.

T


Facebook Will Tell You Whether You Saw Russian Propaganda During The 2016 Election

The social media behemoth announced on its blog today that it is in the process of building a tool to allow users to see which posts from the Russian Internet Research Agency—now the Federal News Agency, or FAN—appeared in their feeds during the 20-month period between January 2015 and August 2016.

The move is part of the company’s “ongoing effort to protect our platforms and the people who use them from bad actors who try to undermine our democracy,” wrote a Facebook spokesperson in an un-bylined post.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/facebook-will-tell-you-whether
-you-saw-russian-propaganda-during-the-2016-election/ar-BBFvOSN




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Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR wants to upend freedom of speech.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:40 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR wants to upend freedom of speech.



T


You mean Facebook don't you? That is hilarious coming from a Russian troll. Someone who is trying to delegitimize the main stream media in America by claiming they are all fake news.

Yep hilarious too, because it's your guy Trump who's trying to do that as well.



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Thursday, December 28, 2017 11:52 AM

THGRRI


Hey sig,Troll. When Trump is gone the bill for this will come due.





T

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