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Friday, February 24, 2017 12:59 PM
THGRRI
Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:42 AM
DREAMTROVE
Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Si Shen, A little text in case people don't want watch or video won't play. It's basically the GOP backing off of "Repeal and Replace" obamacare, to "Repair" That said, Trump is still saying "Repeal and Replace" but I hope it's not "Health Savings accounts" like he said in the campaign. What a useless idea. I liked his "apply for state programs across state lines" within reason. You can't have all of America registered in Vermont. But being less locked in would be good.
Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:26 AM
Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:03 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: True, the same corporations rule both parties.
Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: True, the same corporations rule both parties.This is what a Republican Congress wants you to believe, so that you will also believe that a Republican Congress is no worse than a Democratic Congress, yet better in other ways. Except there is a difference about ACA. Republicans hate Obamacare for two reasons. It demonstrates that the government can make people's lives better, and it's paid for in large part with taxes on the wealthy. Republicans' overriding goal is to make those taxes go away. And if getting those taxes cut means that quite a few people end up dying, remember: freedom! And who thinks freedom and lower taxes for the wealthy (there is a special tax on the wealthy to pay for ACA) are same? Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan @Pryan , who tweeted: Freedom is the ability to buy what you want to fit what you need. Obamacare is Washington telling you what to buy regardless of your needs. 12:38 PM - 21 Feb 2017 https://twitter.com/PRyan/status/834140136082284544 The entire point of health insurance is that you don’t know what your needs are going to be. Paul Ryan does not know your needs. Technically speaking, no one “needs” insurance right up until the moment they get sick or injured. That’s the entire point of having it. At the moment, I don’t “need” chemotherapy or expensive prescription medications…but some day soon I might. This isn’t rocket science. If you left it up to people to “only buy what they need” for health insurance, most would probably choose crappy mini-meds like this: McDonald's”McCrew Care” benefits requires employees to pay $56 per month for basic coverage that provides up to $2,000 in benefits in a year. Wow, $2,000 in benefits per year? Awesome! That's enough to cover one day in the hospital per year, and absolutely nothing else whatsoever! …so you end up with most people being severely underinsured, then not having any meaningful coverage at all when they actually need it.
Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: This is what a Republican Congress wants you to believe
Quote:Except there is a difference about ACA. Republicans hate Obamacare for two reasons. It demonstrates that the government can make people's lives better
Quote:and it's paid for in large part with taxes on the wealthy.
Quote:Republicans' overriding goal is to make those taxes go away.
Quote:And if getting those taxes cut means that quite a few people end up dying,
Quote:Paul Ryan @Pryan , who tweeted: Freedom is the ability to buy what you want to fit what you need. Obamacare is Washington telling you what to buy regardless of your needs. 12:38 PM - 21 Feb 2017
Quote:The entire point of health insurance is that you don’t know what your needs are going to be. Paul Ryan does not know your needs.
Quote:Technically speaking, no one “needs” insurance right up until the moment they get sick or injured. That’s the entire point of having it.
Quote:At the moment, I don’t “need” chemotherapy
Quote: or expensive prescription medications…but some day soon I might. This isn’t rocket science.
Quote:If you left it up to people to “only buy what they need” for health insurance, most would probably choose crappy mini-meds like this: McDonald's”McCrew Care” benefits requires employees to pay $56 per month for basic coverage that provides up to $2,000 in benefits in a year. Wow, $2,000 in benefits per year? Awesome! That's enough to cover one day in the hospital per year, and absolutely nothing else whatsoever!
Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:32 PM
Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:08 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yes. So good to see somebody who gets it. If insurance was never in play, doctors could only charge what people could afford. I said it before, but I'll say it again. My brother had a massive brain hemmorage and suffered multiple strokes when he was 6 years old. He spent almost six months in the hospital after having the best neurosurgeon in the country operate on him. Not just room and board, but physical therapy included every day he was there after waking up from the coma. The entire bill to the insurance company for that in 1989? $200,000. Fast forward to 2010 and he swallows a bunch of anti-depressant pills. Not only would they not have killed him, but they didn't even pump his stomach. He spent 10 days in the hospital for what was essentially baby sitting duty with a few IV bags. What was the bill? $80,000. Don't tell me that was inflation. If the inflation rate was that high, you'd be paying $30-50 for a gallon of milk. And it's not the rich that pay for obamacare. My parents aren't anything close to rich. Their premiums have gone up nearly about 250% and their deductibles have doubled since the ACA was passed. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, February 26, 2017 4:40 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:00 PM
Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Si Shen Don't confuse healthcare with health insurance. that's like conflating driving with car insurance. You can't hop in your car insurance and take it to california.
Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:05 PM
Quote:Just like there was (a lot of problems) with SSI and Medicaid.
Quote:an unfunded 1.2 trillion dollar drug prescription plan that ... Democrats stepped in and helped fix
Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:00 PM
Monday, February 27, 2017 12:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Just like there was (a lot of problems) with SSI and Medicaid. cite? Quote:an unfunded 1.2 trillion dollar drug prescription plan that ... Democrats stepped in and helped fix cite?
Monday, February 27, 2017 2:48 AM
Monday, February 27, 2017 3:19 AM
Monday, February 27, 2017 8:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: DT FWIW you're the second person I know from NYS that got screwed with Obamacare.
Monday, February 27, 2017 8:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: THUGGER admits he's a troll here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1024017 here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3 here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343 and here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366
Monday, February 27, 2017 9:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: THUGGER admits he's a troll here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1024017 here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3 here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343 and here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366
Thursday, March 2, 2017 1:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: 1kiki I try to avoid comments about users, but I clicked. The first thread, he's not even on. You might want to see to that. Second, there's okay a couple of posts that are tacit admissions to being a troll, I'll grant, and a fair amount of posts that seem to have no other purpose. But if so, why feed him at all? My summation from scanning those, and others, is that he's the Citizen here. But you have ask yourself why you're being the Kwicko?
Thursday, March 2, 2017 2:33 AM
Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:44 AM
Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: The most salient political point concerning the ACA is ...
Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:32 PM
Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Whatever. I really don't care what you think because you seem to think it's ok that THUGGER has followed me from thread to thread calling me a Russian troll for YEARS because of the things I don't post. But you get tweaked when I return the favor one time. BTW, my opinion of Kwicko was extremely high.
Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:46 PM
Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Si Shen, A little text in case people don't want watch or video won't play. It's basically the GOP backing off of "Repeal and Replace" obamacare, to "Repair" That said, Trump is still saying "Repeal and Replace" but I hope it's not "Health Savings accounts" like he said in the campaign. What a useless idea. I liked his "apply for state programs across state lines" within reason. You can't have all of America registered in Vermont. But being less locked in would be good. I would hope if the video doesn't work someone would say so. Anyway, thanks for explaining what it is about. I think it plays because it plays for me even when I am not logged in. The ACA detractors here are afraid to speak. The number one slam here against Obama was the Affordable Care Act. Now that the Republicans hold all three branches of government, they cower. They could end it tomorrow so why does it still exist? The house voted like 60 times to repeal it. So repeal it. And all those here that wanted it done in the first week of Trumps presidency, are now silent on the subject. As I said, where's the beef. I'll tell you. They won't repeal it. They'll work on it as the democrats wanted since it's inception and claim they did what they promised, repealed it, bullshit. The ACA will endure. ---------------------
Friday, March 24, 2017 7:15 PM
Friday, March 24, 2017 8:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump said today, “I never said I was going to repeal and replace in the first 61 days.” In fact, Trump said repeatedly as a candidate and before his inauguration that he would work to repeal the ACA on his first day in office. And congressional Republicans have spent the last seven years campaigning to undo the law. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-republican-leaders-abruptly-pull-their-rewrite-of-the-nation%E2%80%99s-health-care-law/ar-BByG2V1?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, March 24, 2017 8:08 PM
Friday, March 24, 2017 8:44 PM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Friday, March 24, 2017 8:49 PM
Friday, March 24, 2017 9:35 PM
6STRINGJOKER
Friday, March 24, 2017 10:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: "I don't care so screw everyone else," says Kiki.
Friday, March 24, 2017 11:34 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, March 24, 2017 11:36 PM
RIVERLOVE
Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:18 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Riverlove: Ain't it a shame, to be shot down in flames.. Perhaps Paul Ryan can get his old soda jerk job back at the Kokomo Dairy Queen. They offer Dental now.
Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Just as an aside, the failure to "repeal and replace" Obamacare just proves my earlier point about the limits of Presidential power: The President of the USA has ONE .... repeat ONE ... area of strength: FOREIGN POLICY. TTP? POOF! TTIP? POOF! Domestic policy??? NOT SO MUCH! That is why when "some" people (ahem!) were running at the mouth/ fingertips, breathlessly hyperventilating about Trump's fascist powers ... yanno, really, that is at the control of Congress. ----------- "Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL
Saturday, March 25, 2017 4:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Obamacare was designed to fail, and quickly. It was unsustainable from the start. The Dems are probably thankful that they don't have power in any of the legislative branches at the moment so rather than be blamed for the failure, they can demonize the other side for getting rid of it.
Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Well, tell "us" Kiki what are the publicly available numbers on just how many people are going bankrupt - you know, before O-Care and after O-Care. Enquiring minds want to know.
Quote: What fatal issues? What exactly are those numbers you speak of?
Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Leave it to you to take your boy Trump's defeat and 24 million people not losing their coverage and turn it into something about you and how right you were. G@ddamn priceless.
Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:19 AM
Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: I'm glad the current proposal was shot down. All it really was doing was eliminating the tax you have to pay for not having healthcare.
Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:08 AM
Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Either way, it was bad news. I didn't agree with it. It was doing as much to fix the actual problem as the ACA itself did, which is nothing.
Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:35 AM
Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:56 AM
Quote:Leave it to you to take your boy Trump's defeat and 24 million people not losing their coverage and turn it into something about you and how right you were. G@ddamn priceless.= GSTRING
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