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Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:02 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Can we move this to a (new) shorter thread? Something that applies to Trump as President-elect, and not Trump the candidate? Because I guarantee you NOBODY is going to look at the previous 26 pages ... or even the previous five posts (especially yours, SECOND) no matter HOW blistering you think they are! - SIGNY Awww, she's mad.- GSTRING Nope, not mad. Quote:And funny wrong as usual.-GSTRING Glad you think so! Quote:I read every one of second's posts. I look forward to every one of second's posts. You would learn a lot if you did the same.- GSTTRING I have read SECONDRATE'S/ SECONHAND'S posts, which are usually links to someone else's posts. and what I find is that they usually consist of shocked- and inaccurate - whining. It's difficult to have a conversation about some specific thing if everyone is posting about everything: hard to locate relevant comments. Quote:Why move a thread? Click the thread title, go to the last page - easy even for you.= GSTRING Because the topic isn't specific enough. I have some very specific things to say about Trump and Obama. But that's OK, I'll just start other threads about those more focused thoughts and leave this one for whatever. ----------- "Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Can we move this to a (new) shorter thread? Something that applies to Trump as President-elect, and not Trump the candidate? Because I guarantee you NOBODY is going to look at the previous 26 pages ... or even the previous five posts (especially yours, SECOND) no matter HOW blistering you think they are! - SIGNY Awww, she's mad.- GSTRING
Quote:And funny wrong as usual.-GSTRING
Quote:I read every one of second's posts. I look forward to every one of second's posts. You would learn a lot if you did the same.- GSTTRING
Quote:Why move a thread? Click the thread title, go to the last page - easy even for you.= GSTRING
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:23 AM
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, you're going to be mad at roughly half of the United States because they didn't vote for your Annointed One? Yanno, SECOND, after Bush stole the election for the second time, I was pretty pissed off. But not at people here who voted for Bush, and not even at the GOP for cheating, but at the Democratic Party, for not taking action when it was clear that Karl Rove stole the election the FIRST time (FL 2000). Why did the DNC SPECIFICALLY rig the primary against Sanders? To me, that was a serious strategic blunder: If the voting results were telling the DNC that one candidate could win the primary and the polling results were telling them that same candidate had a much better chance of winning against Trump in a head-to-head, why did the DNC insist on foisting off a much less popular candidate, by hook or by crook, on its own constituency??? That kind or arrogance and entitlement is pretty breathtaking, but I can think of a few interlinked reasons why: 1) Most of Sanders donations came in small amounts, from individuals. 2) Hillary would be able to fill her "war chest" with multi-million dollar, big-ticket donations, 3) Those big donors wanted a return on their investment, which WASN'T Bernie. 4) The DNC believed they would need a lot of money to run a campaign, especially for a candidate who had a huge unfavorable rating. What this speaks of, in the DNC, is a lack of faith in the popular vote for its own brand. The DNC deliberately turned its back on its own voters choice. The decision having been made, Debbie and Donna and John and the rest of the party apparatchiks then conspired how they were going to jam Hillary down everyone's throats. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that decision. Either Bernie's probable policies ... on "free trade", on Israel, on Saudi Arabia and our proxy terrorists, on the dollar, on globalism .... were going to be so different than Hillary's (her policies being known to those who get to see her "private face") that Bernie was completely and totally unacceptable to the DNC's underwriters .... or people in the DNC were getting serious kickbacks from their big-money donors. In any case, it boggles the mind. That was the DNC's internal flaw. Externally, the DNC simply stopped representing "Americans". It made a point of slicing and dicing America into gay-Americans, female-Americans, Hispanic/Chicano-Americans, African-Americans, transgender-Americans, illegal aliens, legal immigrants etc and appealing to each slice as if they were victims (We are, but not in the way the DNC wants us to believe). But in the end, the DNC (Obama) followed policies that simply did not benefit the vast majority of Americans, where ALL of our interests overlap. It's not just Trump, SECOND. I don't know if you noticed, but the DNC has lost a lot of Congressional seats, state Legislators, governors, and even county supervisors/commissioners, and mayors. They're doing something seriously wrong. It's time for you to stop being mad, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. And if you are as rich as you say you are, and you have any donor-influence on the DNC, or at least Texas Democrats, then use that influence to slap them into reality. ----------- "Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake "If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:57 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I can't imagine why your panties are in such a twist. This is a GOOD thing.
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:39 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:it looks like from your comment above "I just buy what they have" that you are not a cost conscience consumer. Is that true?
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:22 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:I can't imagine why your panties are in such a twist. This is a GOOD thing.- SIGNY Signym, see if you understand this Constitutional dilemma.- SECOND
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:it looks like from your comment above "I just buy what they have" that you are not a cost conscience consumer. Is that true? No. I'm extremely frugal. If I need something and it seems pricey, I'll try to figure something else out to use instead, or go without. If I REALLY need it and it seems pricey I'll shop online. What I won't do is go from store to store to store to save $.10 on an item. Plus, I know in general which stores have the best overall prices. For groceries they're Trader Joe's and Vitamin City. For certain household goods it's Vitamin City and Target. For others it's Target and Walgreens. For first aid and sundry it's Target and Walgreens. And I go to Ace Hardware for things I can't get anywhere else. Ace is pretty expensive, but I support them as a business, because they REALLY are 'the helpful place'.
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:55 PM
Quote:If the production of popular items like iPhones and sneakers were done domestically rather than abroad, their prices would increase considerably. - SECOND
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 1:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:If the production of popular items like iPhones and sneakers were done domestically rather than abroad, their prices would increase considerably. - SECOND BECAUSE WAGES TO AMERICAN WORKERS ARE HIGHER. I guess you have a problem with that?
Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:59 PM
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 1:25 AM
Quote:Saturday, December 10, 2016 1:50 AM Originally posted by 1kiki: http://www.today.com/parents/one-moms-challenge-buy-only-made-usa-one- week-857929 One mom's challenge: Buy only "Made in USA" for one week
Quote: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:49 PM Originally posted by second: You best look at the ACE Hardware labels for Chinese goods.
Quote:Wednesday, December 14, 2016 1:25 AM Originally posted by 1kiki: http://www.today.com/parents/one-moms-challenge-buy-only-made-usa-one- week-857929 One mom's challenge: Buy only "Made in USA" for one week
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:04 AM
Quote:If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians ...
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians ... Are you speaking for yourself? Assuming you are a Texan as you claim, of course.
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:43 AM
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians ...
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Are you speaking for yourself? Assuming you are a Texan as you claim, of course.
Quote: Does it disturb 1kiki's view of Americans that Texans don't feel that Trump voters in West Virginians are family?
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:55 AM
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Can you answer the question?
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:09 AM
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Your questions aren't interesting to me, except the last one about how the democrats fucked up. I have a partial answer from "The Most Epic Ratfucking Operation in History".
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Are democrats spineless? They could be. Or tptb have told top democrats to stand down, and democrats - dutifully - are obeying the people they truly represent.
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 9:23 AM
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Is that how democrats lost congress, and 33 out of all 50 governorships, state senates and state houses, mostly back in 2010? Is that how democrats lost voter-identification since 1982? Did democrats end up like this due to a giant Russian ratfucking operation being run since 1982?
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:34 AM
Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND: A large majority of Americans shared the "value" that there should be single payer, or at least government option, for healthcare.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND: A majority of Americans shared the value that we should stop meddling in the Mideast.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND: A large majority of Americans disagreed with the bank bailout, and wanted to see real consequences - yanno, like jail time (such as happened under Reagan when the S&L's went tits up) - for the cretins who drove our financial system into the ditch.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND: If the Democrats has had the spine to actually DO those things, and to make the "recovery" a recovery for everyone, and at least not lose more manufacturing jobs, the Dems would have had a loyal following for decades. But the Dem party's values are mostly about money, and a large part of the remainder is about being a war party, so they ignored what a lot of people wanted. So they deserve to be where they are: busted, after eight years of failure.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Where do they go from here? If Trump is going to be such as ass-kisser to business, if Americans don't see a measurable improvement in their lives, if the wealth gap (which has grown under both Bush AND Obama) continues to grow under Trump ... will the Dems be ready to pick up the pieces? Or will they offer "more of the same", like they did this past year? Because if all we get is more, and more, and MORE of the same, there will no longer be a Democratic OR a Republican Party remaining.
Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:55 AM
Quote:A large majority of Americans shared the "value" that there should be single payer, or at least government option, for healthcare.- SIGNY That opinion needs a little proof behind it, Signym. Americans don't even support Obamacare. - SECOND
Quote:If they don't qualify for it, they don't want anyone else to have it, either.
Quote:A majority of Americans shared the value that we should stop meddling in the Mideast.-SIGNY I will believe that, Signym, when I see protests on the streets of America for the way Israel treats 1.75 million people like prisoners of war in the Gaza Strip. Didn't you also notice that American Christians back the Jewish Israelis 100% against all Muslims in the world? Didn’t you notice that Americans were okay with invading Iraq, based on obviously, at the time, false rumors of WMD? Americans only turned against that war when the US Army lost control of Iraq in a typical Bush SNAFU. And as far as I know, no Americans are protesting any other war anywhere in the world, not just the Middle East.- SECOND
Quote:A large majority of Americans disagreed with the bank bailout, and wanted to see real consequences - yanno, like jail time (such as happened under Reagan when the S&L's went tits up) - for the cretins who drove our financial system into the ditch.- SIGNY You forgot Enron and "Bernie" Madoff. Those people got hammered by government because they stole money. The bank bailouts were not about stolen money. Those were caused by Bush and the SEC not wanting to impose "unnecessary" regulations on banks Clinton repealing Glass Steagall and signing the Commodities Futures Modernization Act.
Quote:Wall Street tycoons are not in fear of being kidnapped, ransomed, or assassinated for what they have done.
Quote:If there is even a single American Madman out there who has avenged Main Street for what Wall Street did, I never heard of him. Since not even one crazy American cares, why should politicians? Especially since tycoons have got all the legal help they will ever need to defend themselves from the Justice Department. - SECOND
Quote:Half of Americans are apathetic whiners who can’t do a thing except vote once every two to four years. The other half of them won’t even vote. That half are complete whiners. It is no surprise that those losers get ignored by politicians, but the top 1%, the energetic wealthy people who know whose arm to twist palm to grease, always get their way.
Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So basically you're advocating violent revolution, which is the only way people without money get anything done. Good for you!
Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:58 AM
Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:07 AM
Quote:Two senior officials with direct access to the information say new intelligence shows that Putin personally directed how hacked material from Democrats was leaked and otherwise used. The intelligence came from diplomatic sources and spies working for U.S. allies, the officials said.
Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Doesn't the timing of this story leave you just a little suspicious? Isn't the building crescendo of hysteria ... just before the Inauguration, no less! ... a tad reminiscent of the Iraq WMD hysteria? . . . it's FAKE NEWS until demonstrated otherwise.
Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:32 AM
Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:41 AM
Quote:Doesn't the timing of this story leave you just a little suspicious? Isn't the building crescendo of hysteria ... just before the Inauguration, no less! ... a tad reminiscent of the Iraq WMD hysteria? . . . it's FAKE NEWS until demonstrated otherwise. - SIGNY Are you and Trump going to spend his term of office whitewashing everything Russia does in order to forestall the release of damaging, stolen GOP documents by Russia? Is Trump answerable to the American people, or a foreign government that does not have the United States’ best interests at heart? Or are you claiming that only the Dems had their email stolen because the GOP's security was far superior? - SECOND
Quote:You'll trust them [the Director of National Intelligence, DNI] which supervises and coordinates the other intelligence agencies] but not the CIA? Hrrrmmm...
Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:06 AM
Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Republicans Are Warming Up to Vladimir Putin https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/809069737879674888/
Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:22 PM
Friday, December 16, 2016 6:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by second: Republicans Are Warming Up to Vladimir Putin https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/809069737879674888/ OH LOOK! FROM TWITTER!
Friday, December 16, 2016 7:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Are you going to spend the rest of the Trump Presidency in near-total, unthinking hysteria? I'm not claiming anything, SECOND.
Friday, December 16, 2016 8:36 AM
Quote:The hack started just as Trump was entering the primaries, in 2015. It's a little hard to claim that whoever did the hack was supporting Trump - OR ANYBODY - at that point. - SIGNY Which means absolutely nothing, thanks. Hacks don't have calendars or seasons - wise up. - GSTRING
Quote: From:slatham@hillaryclinton.com To: mfisher@hillaryclinton.com, john.podesta@gmail.com Date: 2016-03-19 12:07 Subject: Fwd: S?me?ne has your passw?rd The gmail one is REAL Milia, can you change - does JDP have the 2 step verification or do we need to do with him on the phone? Don't want to lock him out of his in box! Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* Charles Delavan <cdelavan@hillaryclinton.com> *Date:* March 19, 2016 at 9:54:05 AM EDT *To:* Sara Latham <slatham@hillaryclinton.com>, Shane Hable < shable@hillaryclinton.com> *Subject:* *Re: S?me?ne has your passw?rd* Sara, This is a legitimate email. John needs to change his password immediately, and ensure that two-factor authentication is turned on his account. He can go to this link: https://myaccount.google.com/security to do both. It is absolutely imperative that this is done ASAP. If you or he has any questions, please reach out to me at 410.562.9762 On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Sara Latham <slatham@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* Google <no-reply@accounts.googlemail.com> *Date:* March 19, 2016 at 4:34:30 AM EDT *To:* john.podesta@gmail.com *Subject:* *S?me?ne has your passw?rd* S?me?ne has your passw?rd Hi John Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google Account john.podesta@gmail.com. Details: Saturday, 19 March, 8:34:30 UTC IP Address: 134.249.139.239 Location: Ukraine Google stopped this sign-in attempt. You should change your password immediately. CHANGE PASSWORD < https://bit.ly/1PibSU0> Best, The Gmail Team You received this mandatory email service announcement to update you about important changes to your Google product or account. Charles Delavan HFA Help Desk The HFA Operations Team is here to support you. Let us know how we’re doing by filling out a brief survey < http://bit.ly/1gL3oMk>. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899#efmAAGAAbAHLAIUAWxAXH
Quote:Further evidence of the political motivation behind the whole CIA claim that Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta leaks has come from an unexpected quarter – James Clapper’s Office of the Director of National Intelligence (“ODNI”) – which supervises the work of all of the US’s 17 intelligence agencies. Speaking anonymously to Reuters, three ODNI officials have trashed the CIA claim that Russia provided Wikileaks with the DNC and Podesta leaks in order to help Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the US election. The key point the ODNI officials are making is that whilst there is some evidence of Russian intelligence having hacked the DNC, that does not prove it was Russian intelligence which passed on the information to Wikileaks in order to swing the election to Donald Trump. In the words of one of the unnamed ODNI officials “[The CIA conclusion] was a judgment based on the fact that Russian entities hacked both Democrats and Republicans and only the Democratic information was leaked. (It was) a thin reed upon which to base an analytical judgment.” Moreover it turns out that this is the same thinking as that of the FBI. As one of the ODNI officials told Reuters “The Federal Bureau of Investigation, whose evidentiary standards require it to make cases that can stand up in court, declined to accept the CIA’s analysis – a deductive assessment of the available intelligence – for the same reason”. “We’re aware that campaigns and related organizations and individuals are targeted by actors with a variety of motivations — from philosophical differences to espionage — and capabilities — from defacements to intrusions,” said Brian P. Hale, director of public affairs for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. “We defer to FBI for specific incidents.”
Friday, December 16, 2016 12:41 PM
Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:40 AM
JO753
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Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:26 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:40 AM
Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:53 AM
Saturday, December 17, 2016 7:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: A new poll released this week by YouGov shows that in the US, self-identified Republicans viewing Putin as very or somewhat favorably rose from 10 percent in July 2014 to 37 percent today.
Saturday, December 17, 2016 7:30 AM
Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Obama was so much worse. He makes GWB look like JFK. Because he is Black, nobody will talk about him at all in school 30 years from now. He will be among the 30+ "invisible" presidents we never discuss in public school.
Saturday, December 17, 2016 10:46 PM
Quote:If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana- SECOND
Quote:Trump ran a pro-Russian presidential campaign, benefited from the efforts of Russian hackers
Quote: and then reached outside the box of normal candidates to select a secretary of state who has personal relationships with high-ranking Russian officials, financial investments in Russia, and a record of pro-Russian policy views. Trump wants Tillerson to run the State Department because he wants a top diplomat who’ll make an improved relationship with Russia a top priority — achieved largely through unilateral US concessions on sanctions and de facto recognition of a Russian sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. This may be a bad idea
Quote:but it’s not a crazy or nonsensical one. And it appears to be how Trump intends to put his stamp on American public policy, even while leaving domestic policy overwhelmingly in the hands of orthodox, establishment-minded Republicans. The question for GOP senators is whether they want to stop Trump and Tillerson.- SECOND
Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Please, think long and hard what our AMERICAN interests are before you start getting all hysterical about "Russia".
Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:09 AM
Quote:Please, think long and hard what our AMERICAN interests are before you start getting all hysterical about "Russia". - SIGNY When you use "our AMERICAN interests", who do think believes you are American?-SECOND
Quote:Your obsession, and 1kiki’s, with Russia makes everyone at Fireflyfans, except 1kiki and maybe 6ixStringJack, think you’re Russian.- SECOND
Quote:No Americans care about Russia
Quote:but they do care that Trump is obsessed with Putin and Putin is sneaking stolen emails to Trump.
Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:41 AM
Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:50 AM
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