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Btw, as another example of quotes being mis-attributed (to the wrong person), Sarah Palin never did say 'I can see Russia from my house'. Tina Fey did. But Palin sure got a lot of flack for it.

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"She very much deserved to be mocked over her remark."

I agree. Just not Tina Fey's remark, which a lot of people ASSUMED Palin said - which is why it ended up on Snopes.

You see, if you have a valid criticism, you don't need to invent something - and then claim it's true because it has an air of 'truthiness' about it. All you have to do is point out the real truth.

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Donald Trump announced Monday that he was revoking media credentials from the Washington Post, another sign that he does not tolerate criticism that often comes with presidential campaigns.

Trump has previously banned Politico, BuzzFeed, the Daily Beast, the Des Moines Register and other publications from attending his press events and rallies. But the Post ban is new territory, given the paper's historic role in covering campaigns and setting the nation's political agenda.

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America has already seen a billionaire wacko run for President: Ross Perot.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The only thing I got out of the anti-Trump arguments is that when you have to resort to cartoons and made-up videos, you've lost it.

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In the meantime, I'm so anti-Hillary/ anti-establishment, I probably WILL vote for Trump.

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There is no gentle way to put this. You're voting for a racist. What's that make you and your friend 1kiki? And we all know how you feel about Jews!

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:53 AM

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

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There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.
http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180
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Thanks Second, for posting Ken Burns speech, it was awesome.

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Oh,the CLINTON FOUNDATION!

As far as I can tell, most foundations are just charitable covers for further investment development (Gates Foundation) or political control of foreign nations (National Endowment for Democracy). Almost none of the foundations/ NGOs that I can point to are politically or monetarily disinterested entities who just really want to help.

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Your opinion as stated by you is that most charitable foundations are covers for investment and development which is Capitalism used in impoverished areas of the world to help move them out of poverty. That very concept is admirable. Yet without prof you claim foul against the Clinton foundation which does this, because it suits your purpose and helps you to promote Trump the Capitalist. A contradiction don't you think? Promoting the man who uses capitalism for nothing more than personal gain, and chastising those who use it help out those in need.

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Btw, as another example of quotes being mis-attributed (to the wrong person), Sarah Palin never did say 'I can see Russia from my house'. Tina Fey did. But Palin sure got a lot of flack for it.

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Charles Gibson asked Palin what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia, and she responded: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." But Palin doesn’t speak Russian and she doesn’t live on Little Diomede island.

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"All you have to do is point out the real truth." If you believe that, then you have misunderstood all of recorded history.

If truth doesn't suffice then the only thing to do is resort to lying. So ... you must approve when Donald - or Hillary - lie. Because they're both doing the only thing that works. Or are your standards different depending on WHO does it?

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Kind of a preview of what his State of the Union addresses would look like I'm thinking. Asa much as he loves the spotlight and all the attention, I get the impression he would talk the same way to an to an empty auditorium. I can easily see him going completely insane.

Ken Burns video was great. He represents the horror even modestly intelligent people feel at the thought of this guy being this close. Huh?? Like, "How many bombs does this guy have to drop before you see what he's about?" I thought Obama's public addressing (shaming) of Trump's idiocy "can't say the word" was well done, showing once again that Trump can't think past the microphone in front of him. But it's been shown over and over that you can't make people smarter if they don't want to listen.

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Thanks Second, for posting Ken Burns speech, it was awesome.

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Last night, Colbert was also awesome:
Colbert's Diagram Explains Trump's Response To Orlando

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Something very odd happened to Donald Trump Tuesday night.

Specifically, speaking in North Carolina, Trump said that American soldiers in Iraq were passing out baskets full of money and implied that some of them stole that money and are now “living very well.”

The Trump campaign has denied he’d ever said any such thing, arguing that Trump was accusing Iraqi, not American soldiers, of corruption. Watch the clip and judge for yourself, but if you ask me, it’s unambiguous that Trump was saying American soldiers stole money:

Broadly speaking, Trump was talking about tens of thousands of US soldiers and tons of cash transactions. It’s a bit of an odd thing to bring up on the campaign trail, but it’s arguably an example of the kind of incompetent leadership by the mainstream governing class that’s fueled Trump’s rise. But instead of explaining himself or defending himself, Trump’s campaign is just out there pretending he never said it.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/05/u_s_troops_h
ave_stolen_tens_of_millions_in_iraq_and_afghanistan_center_for.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"All you have to do is point out the real truth." If you believe that, then you have misunderstood all of recorded history.

If truth doesn't suffice then the only thing to do is resort to lying. So ... you must approve when Donald - or Hillary - lie. Because they're both doing the only thing that works. Or are your standards different depending on WHO does it?

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If truth doesn't suffice then the only thing to do is resort to lying. So ... you must approve when Donald - or Hillary - lie. Because they're both doing the only thing that works. Or are your standards different depending on WHO does it?

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Donald Trump, clad in coveralls and holding a pitchfork, joined Will & Grace's Megan Mullaly on stage at the 2005 Emmys to do a rendition of the Green Acres theme song. Farm livin' probably isn't the life for Trump—even though he told Iowa voters, following his second place primary finish, that he loved their state so much he was considering buying a farm there. Watch Trump's (weirdly decent) performance.


The Trump Files: Watch Donald Not Be Able to Multiply 17 By 6
(Neither could his kids)
Still, he insists his wrong answer is correct.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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No matter how you cut it, Trump is setting himself up to be the greatest TV and radio personality. Trumping Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. After the elections he will be raking in the money catering to and pushing the buttons of nuts.

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The Trump Files: Watch Donald Not Be Able to Multiply 17 By 6
(Neither could his kids)
Still, he insists his wrong answer is correct.

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I can't get sound - what were their answers? Did they explain their reasoning for their wrong answers?

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If truth doesn't suffice then the only thing to do is resort to lying. So ... you must approve when Donald - or Hillary - lie. Because they're both doing the only thing that works. Or are your standards different depending on WHO does it?

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An editorial by a Republican who hates Hillary and yet he won't vote, as mentioned in one of his previous editorials because he has his public reputation to protect, for Trump. I believe Krauthammer will vote for Trump on his secret ballot, since that secret can't change his public reputation, but I will never know for sure, which is Krauthammer's advantage in his public life. Unlike Krauthammer, I don't play games of saying one thing publicly and doing in secret something else:

Trump won’t be running as anyone but himself

Charles Krauthammer says while some hoped he’d turn ‘presidential,’ the candidate is staying on the path that helped him clinch the GOP nod.
www.nationalreview.com/article/436717/donald-trump-wont-get-presidenti
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When in his 1964 GOP acceptance speech Barry Goldwater declared that “extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice,” a reporter sitting near journalist/historian Theodore White famously exclaimed: “My God, he’s going to run as Barry Goldwater!”

Six weeks into Donald Trump’s general election campaign, Republicans are discovering that he indeed intends to run as Donald Trump. He has boasted that he could turn “presidential” — respectful, respectable, reticent, reserved bordering on boring — at will. Apparently, he can’t.

GOP leaders who fell in line behind Trump after he clinched the nomination expected, or at least hoped, that he would prove malleable, willing to adjust his more extreme positions and tactics to suit a broader electorate.

Two problems. First, impulse control: Trump says what he actually feels, whatever comes into his head at any moment. Second, a certain logic: Trump won the primaries Sinatra-style, his way —against the odds, the experts and the conventional rules. So why change now? “You win the pennant,” Trump explained, “and now you’re in the World Series — you gonna change?”

Hence his response to the Orlando terror attack. Events like these generally benefit the challenger politically because any misfortune that befalls the nation gets attributed, fairly or not, directly or indirectly, to the incumbent party (e.g., the 2008 financial collapse). And Hillary Clinton is running as the quasi-incumbent.

The textbook response for the challenger, therefore, is to offer sympathy, give a general statement or two about the failure of the incumbent’s national security policy, then step back to let the resulting national fear and loathing, amplified by the media, take effect.

Instead, Trump made himself the (political) story. First, he offered himself unseemly congratulations for his prescience about terrorism. (He’d predicted more would be coming. What a visionary.) Then he went beyond blaming the president for lack of will or wisdom in fighting terrorism, and darkly implied presidential sympathy for the enemy. “There’s something going on,” he charged. He then reiterated his ban on Muslim immigration.

Why? Because that’s what Trump does. And because it worked before. It was after last December’s San Bernardino massacre that Trump first called for a Muslim ban. It earned him lots of opprobrium from GOP leaders and lots of support from GOP voters. He shot up in the polls, never to descend until he clinched. So why not do it again?

Because the general election is a different game. Trump assumes that the Republican electorate is representative of the national electorate. It’s not. Take the Muslim ban. Sixty-eight percent of GOP voters support it. Only 38 percent of Democrats do. And there are approximately 7 million more Democrats in the country. (Independents are split 51-40 in favor.)

The other major example of doing what’s always worked is the ad hominem attack on big-dog opponents. It worked in the primaries. Trump went after one leading challenger after another, knocking them out sequentially.

Hillary Clinton is a lousy campaigner, but her machine is infinitely larger and more skilled than any of Trump’s 16 GOP competitors. More riskily, Trump is now going toe-to-toe with a sitting president.

Barack Obama is no Jeb Bush. He’s not low energy. He’s a skilled campaigner who clearly despises Trump and relishes the fight. And he carries the inestimable advantage of the gravitas automatically conferred by seven and a half years of incumbency. Moreover, he now enjoys an unusually high approval rating of around 53 percent. Trump’s latest favorability is 29 percent, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

It’s no accident that Trump’s poll numbers are sliding. A month ago, when crowned as presumptive nominee, he jumped into a virtual tie with Clinton. The polls now have him losing by an average of six points, with some showing a nine-and 12-point deficit (Reuters/Ipsos and Bloomberg).

This may turn out to be temporary, but it is a clear reflection of Trump’s disastrous general election kickoff.

His two-week expedition into racism in attacking the Indiana-born “Mexican” judge. His dabbling in conspiracy, from Ted Cruz’s father’s supposed involvement in the Kennedy assassination to Vince Foster’s (“very fishy”) suicide. All of which suggests, and cements, the image of a man who shoots from the hip and is prone to both wild theories and extreme policies.

Reagan biographer Lou Cannon thinks that the Goldwater anecdote is apocryphal. How could anyone (even a journalist) have thought that Goldwater, who later admitted he always knew he would lose, was going to run as anything but his vintage, hard-core self ?

Same for Trump. Give him points for authenticity. Take away for electability.

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Your rather long-winded post didn't address my questions. Chalk up one in the 'evasion' column on second's score card of dishonest arguments.

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"All you have to do is point out the real truth." If you believe that, then you have misunderstood all of recorded history.

Your rather long-winded post didn't address my questions. Chalk up one in the 'evasion' column on second's score card of dishonest arguments.

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IN DEFENSE OF THE LIES YOU POSTED AND YOUR CLAIM THEY WERE TRUE...

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Not seeing how Trump's lies negates your lies.

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Clearly, a third term for Obama is the right choice for the world.

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I've gotten to the point where I'm just plain ornery and oppositional. The more the establishment DNC, RNC, and media hate Trump, the more I want to vote for him. "More of the same" has gotten us all to an entirely untenable point socially, economically, environmentally, militarily, and financially. We've been slow-walked to the brink of a cliff. One more step, and who the fuck cares what comes after that?
. . . Now its time for the Dems - and the Repubs- to reap what they've sowed. Fuck 'em all.

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That's not surprising. You can't get what you want so you whine and want to fuck up everyone else. That's the Real You, Shanyu-GSTRING

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"More of the same" has gotten us all to an entirely untenable point socially, economically, environmentally, militarily, and financially. We've been slow-walked to the brink of a cliff. One more step, and who the fuck cares what comes after that?

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Caesar may have been a significantly less tawdry and therefore somewhat more palatable version of Trump, but the essence of what they stood for and the context isn’t all that different. They both shook up the elites of their day by appealing directly to the common person in a pact that understood that power for one would entail material improvement for the other. Just to be clear, this pact is no more democracy than holding elections is, because it entails neither political equality nor widespread participation. It is merely a nondemocratic reaction to a preexisting system of non-democracy. But it can deliver power for some. Caesar and Trump’s supporters have reacted to them in much the same way. For most people, Donald Trump can screw as many supermodels as he wants, as long as he gets them a manufacturing job back, just like Julius Caesar could loll around with Cleopatra as long as he kept up the bread and games.

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Trump is not a nice guy but his detractors - including Hillary- are at least as bad, if not worse. All you have to do is look at Hillary's record of killing people and destabilizing nations to figure out that she's a mass murderer. I know that you believe - or you would like to believe- that Hillary is a basically decent person and that she represents a reasonable alternative, but she isn't and she doesn't. She's a power-hungry, vindictive, warmongering neocon who is beholden to international banks and Zionists. So tell me- how many people has Trump had killed lately?

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