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REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS
70 Years Since Hiroshima
Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:48 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, August 9, 2015 10:54 PM
Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:23 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:The only explanation that makes sense to me is that the USA used the atomic bombs to warn off RUSSIA. By agreement with the west, Russian forces were invading Manchuria. However, they were also storming down the Kamchatka, and had made landfall on the Kuril Islands. The US dropped the bomb on Hiroshima three days before the Russians started invading Japanese territory. How then can the atomic bombs have been to 'stop the Russians in their tracks' when the first one was dropped before Russia even joined in the war? It's not personal. It's just war.
Quote:The only explanation that makes sense to me is that the USA used the atomic bombs to warn off RUSSIA. By agreement with the west, Russian forces were invading Manchuria. However, they were also storming down the Kamchatka, and had made landfall on the Kuril Islands.
Monday, August 10, 2015 2:02 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:If it's Nazi propaganda, like what you posted, I won't even bother watching to see if I disagree.
Monday, August 10, 2015 8:37 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:In other words, the US did NOT have the ability to target Russian nuclear launch sites with high-altitude bombers: the bombers simply didn't have the accuracy.
Quote:Remember this whole 'first strike' strategy was reserved for the scenario where the USSR invades Western Europe ... Which means it's NOT a 'first strike', it's a defensive response. Jeeze - can't you understand the simplest words you use?
Monday, August 10, 2015 9:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Haha, you dimwit, when dropping nukes you don't have to be pinpoint! Sigh, try to keep up. From the article I linked to and posted from before . . . It's not personal. It's just war.
Monday, August 10, 2015 9:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:If it's Nazi propaganda, like what you posted, I won't even bother watching to see if I disagree. You know it's propaganda w/o having seen it? Why do you reject things out of hand? Are your braynz so fragile that you can't stand to listen to something different? Your hold on reality .... your ability to figure things out on your own ... so delicate that you're afraid of something that you haven't heard before? Sheesh, what a tool. -------------- You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
Monday, August 10, 2015 10:02 AM
Monday, August 10, 2015 11:12 AM
Quote:What amazes and worries me is that you CAN'T see that it's propaganda. Yes I twigged that it was propaganda pretty quickly, with the cover photo of charred bodies, the provocative use of the word 'Holocaust', the emotive music, the one-sided hyperbolic narrative, etc.
Monday, August 10, 2015 12:25 PM
Quote:What parts were inaccurate?
Quote:You filter "truth" and "propaganda" not on the basis of whether or not it's accurate, reflective of reality, factual, or truthful, but on whether or not it makes you feel comfortable or not.
Monday, August 10, 2015 1:03 PM
Monday, August 10, 2015 1:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Killing Japs didn't bother me very much at that time. I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal. Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier. General Curtis LeMay on the morality of his firebombing campaign www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/peopleevents/pandeAMEX61.html
Monday, August 10, 2015 1:51 PM
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Monday, August 10, 2015 9:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: There's an interesting idea here - and this general touches upon it - about the morality of war. That any action that kills large numbers of civilians is seen as automatically immoral (even if it helps win the war against an enemy as evil as the Axis powers, and thereby saves Allied servicemen's lives). But when it comes to killing hundreds of thousands or even millions of enemy soldiers, young men whose only crime is being brainwashed by their repressive governments into thinking that they are fighting a just war in defense of their homeland - that is seen as perfectly OK. I can understand the need for international criminal courts to see this as black and white, but I don't think WE should think of this as a black and white issue. . . .
Monday, August 10, 2015 9:10 PM
Quote:You insist on calling facts - archival filmography, direct quotes, historically documented lists of cities bombed - propaganda.
Monday, August 10, 2015 9:32 PM
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Monday, August 10, 2015 10:37 PM
Monday, August 10, 2015 11:14 PM
Monday, August 10, 2015 11:24 PM
Quote:Why does that matter to THIS DISCUSSION ?
Monday, August 10, 2015 11:36 PM
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Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:01 AM
Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:45 AM
Tuesday, August 11, 2015 12:06 PM
Quote:Still avoiding the actual topic?
Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:10 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: What do you suppose, these guys at the neo-Nazi website decided to take a break from spewing Nazi propaganda, to make a serious, balanced and well-researched documentary?
Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:00 PM
Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Rubles well spent, Mr Putin.
Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:35 AM
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Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:48 AM
Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:14 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'd be surprised if kids today didn't believe this was an accurate portrayal of the aftermath of mid 1940's. Seriously..... I don't have any kids. It's not my fault your kids are fucking dumb. :) Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:31 AM
Quote:Any evidence for your claims? No, of course not. There never is.
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-dresden http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-dresden
Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-dresden http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-dresden Hooray! These articles are much better than Nazi propaganda, and can form a basis for discussion.
Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:14 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: conjectures - not facts First of all - it was Russia that won WWII in Europe. Without the eastern front sapping resources Germany would have been in a much stronger position vis-a-vis the allies.
Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:42 PM
Quote:I had to watch it just out of curiosity. Well I'll say this, it's probably the finest made piece of pure lies and bullshit I've ever seen. Brilliant in its production quality and florid narration, it's easy to see how brainless gullible idiots are duped into believing it. -JONGSSTRAW The production is very slick... but it still immediately stank of bullshit. No surprise to me to see Sig and kiki lapping up propaganda after the Ukraine thread - however Nazi propaganda is a new development for them. Shows how far they've sunk I suppose. Rubles well spent, Mr Putin.- KPO Any evidence for your claims? No, of course not. There never is.- KIKI
Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:24 PM
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Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:05 AM
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Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:34 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:35 PM
Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:41 PM
Quote:Perhaps it is now your turn? Start the discussion.
Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:Perhaps it is now your turn? Start the discussion. I've already commented and spoke my mind on various things including the Allied air campaign in general, the Dresden bombings specifically, the bombings of Hamburg (which were just as devastating as the Dresden bombings - yet not fixated upon anywhere near as much), and also the question of the morality of war, civilians vs. military fatalities etc.
Friday, August 14, 2015 4:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Dr. Strangelove: Major Kong Rides The Bomb 1080p
Friday, August 14, 2015 6:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yes, we know: It's all Nazi propaganda!! BWAHAHAHAHA!
Friday, August 14, 2015 9:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: before you came to the thread there was a discussion on Dresden, Hamburg etc. that was more sensible.
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