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Tuesday, January 5, 2010 12:10 PM
CAZARIL
Tuesday, January 5, 2010 1:46 PM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, January 5, 2010 4:28 PM
Tuesday, January 5, 2010 4:36 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Tuesday, January 5, 2010 4:50 PM
Tuesday, January 5, 2010 5:24 PM
Tuesday, January 5, 2010 5:29 PM
Tuesday, January 5, 2010 9:24 PM
FILLYGIRL
Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."
Wednesday, January 6, 2010 10:35 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Right, both of which which also show Miranda being in the Burnham Quadrant, and which is confirmed in a line in the movie. What are we arguing about again?
Thursday, January 7, 2010 2:46 PM
Thursday, January 7, 2010 3:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: As for the border worlds, to rule out that it isn't location, you'd probably need to make yourself a coordinate system with White Sun in the middle, then position to Blue Sun, Red Sun, Geogia, and Kalidasa the appropriate distance away based on the Verse by Numbers and maybe an intersection with the calculated distance from multiple gravitation bodies using the others. Then draw arcs around the stars based on the Verse in Numbers distance from star for the border worlds listed in the Serenity RPG. Be a lot of work though.
Thursday, January 7, 2010 4:04 PM
Friday, January 8, 2010 12:16 AM
Friday, January 8, 2010 10:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by fillygirl: We have people(11th Hour) on this board who work for them, and I understand that they are the ones who worked on the maps. I know they would reply to you, I met several of them in LA in November and the people over at QMx are always striving to be correct when it comes to the 'verse. They are so happy to have the rights to the shows, and they said they want to hear from the fans. We have a couple of them in the 76th Independant Battalion.(Hildara for one) So, maybe its not such a bad idea after all...
Friday, January 8, 2010 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: I'm impressed! And this is all for work on the RP? Which, by the way, I think is a finely constructed piece of work. The simplicity of the dice rolls and the concept of the plot points really appeals to me.
Friday, January 8, 2010 12:36 PM
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Friday, January 8, 2010 9:15 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Saturday, January 9, 2010 3:54 AM
STINKINGROSE
Saturday, January 9, 2010 8:34 AM
Saturday, January 9, 2010 10:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Cazaril: JewelStaiteFan: Thanks for responding.. I have gotten the most useful information from you and Bytemite... more so then from anywhere else. Also thanks for the link to Wydraz's stuff, there is a lot of cool stuff there. So far I have seen 1 system, 2 system, and 5 system versions of the 'Verse... And several configurations of each type. One of the best examples of the 1 system 'Verse is behind River's instructor in the movie. This is a system with twenty primary orbits and what appears to be several moons (big screen TV, and a lot of frame forward/frame back). Only two bodies are tagged, and whether or not these are helioformed brown dwarfs, or just worlds of interest, I don't know.
Quote: As for a 5 system version, Quantum Mechanix's "The Complete and Official Map of the 'Verse" is the best I have seen, and probably the one I'm going to go with (Partly because it is gorgeous, and I want one.. Can't have one version to play in, and another hanging on my wall). Because of this, I realize that there will be a lot of inconsistencies, and I truly wish Whedon would have said "This is my 'Verse" (map included), and we could be done with it. As for Core Worlds being inside of Halo... Where is Halo in the system? FireflyRPG.com has a two system map that places it similar to our own asteroid belt (somewhere middle-front). But Quantum Mechanix's map of White Sun, places it at the outer boundary of the system (therefore everything else orbits within). Their map also places Lux (with Persephone - Border World, and Pelorum) as the last White Sun orbiting body before the belt. Santo orbits Qin Shi Haung (name of the first Chinese Emperor) which is itself the eight body in orbit around White Sun (confirmed multiple sources). But this places Santo between Londinium and Ariel.. Two known Core Worlds.
Quote: And there-in lies my problem... If all worlds within <"X", or White Sun, or the Halo Asteroid Belt> are Core Worlds, and all worlds from <"Y", or in orbit around Georgia and Red Sun, or those between the Halo Asteroid Belt and some other point> are Border Worlds, and all worlds from <"Z", or in orbit around Kalidasa and Blue Sun, or beyond a certain point> are Rim Worlds.. I'd have no problem.. But it doesn't work that way. So I'm back to "What makes a Core World a Core World"...
Quote: It's not location (as explained above).. It's not terraform date or population either (per "The Verse in Numbers"). I'm left with a cultural/societal based answer.. Kind of like joining the United Federation of Planets.. Where you have to prove that your planet is "advanced" enough to qualify for entry. What this does, is leave me with a list of 215 terraformed (or being terraformed) bodies, with a classification for only a dozen or two. (a secondary issue: I have no idea if the moon of a Core World, is considered Core also). To my way of thinking... Core means certain things.. Well fed, good medicine, high culture, disposable income (valuables), Alliance presences. And as you move through the categories of worlds, you get less and less of the list above. Opening up opportunity for an honest smuggler to make a livin'. As for Quantum Mechanix adding stuff, there is a long list of stuff I'd like to know where is. Niska's Skyplex (Said to be in orbit around Ezra)
Quote: The Bazaar from "The Message" any other space station that might have come up. In regards to Ita Moon (or just Name: Ita Classification: Moon).. Ita is a moon orbits Whittier which is the 10th body around Kalidasa (confirmed separate sources).
Quote: They've also placed Mr. Universe on a Comm Station out between Georgia and Blue Sun.
Quote: Beaumonde is a glaring inconsistency? How so? To me, it is the Hera of the Kalidasa system (far out in orbit, so one of the first planets you would encounter when entering the system). Caz
Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:00 AM
Quote:Osiris might be in close proximity, relatively speaking, or in the same general arc of White Sun's space, or on the same side of White Sun, as well perhaps as Bellerophon. Then perhaps Santo is on the opposite side of White Sun (I'm not saying that is the fact). Ariel has a listed orbital duration of 93 years, Osiris is 50 years, and Santo is between. With all orbiting in the same direction (prograde), if Ariel and Osiris are nearby each other, how many centuries or millenia will elapse before they are NOT nearby, or before Santo has come around to the same side of White Sun as either one of them? Do you see? So, although they are moving in space, their proximity or relative location remains consistent.
Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:33 AM
Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:41 PM
Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Cazaril: MotV = "The Complete and Official Map of the 'Verse" by Quantum Mechanix Inc? Dr. Bourdier’s white paper = "The Verse in Numbers" version 1.1 by QMx If this is correct.. Then Ita is listed as a moon of Whittier on page 75 Also before moving on... I want to clarify "confirmed separate sources".. What I was doing was looking for other sources that said the same thing (actually, I was looking for sources that gave me any hint of the information I needed). But it dawned on me late last night that; if source "A" posts something, and source "B" takes it as canon, and source "C" looks and sees that "A" and "B" say the same thing... It doesn't really mean that source "A" was correct. So I may stand correct on some of what I believed confirmed.
Quote: To answer one of your questions: No, I have not read any of the Companion books (things are a little too tight right now to afford them). My information is coming mainly from the following sources; Firefly the Series (including DVD bonus and commentary), Serenity the Movie (including DVD bonus and commentary, but not the Blu-Ray version), "The Complete and Official Map of the 'Verse" and the companion "The 'Verse in Numbers" by Quantum Mechanix Inc (Although my use of the map is mainly what I can make out from pictures and the web, again, coinage), The Serenity Role-Playing game, and what ever I can dig up online (including the scripts). That having been said, I also have not read the Threads you suggested.. Since those I have access to, before going any further, I believe I will do that (read your post once, start this reply, then as I was re-reading your post, I got hooked into those threads. It'll take me a little while to get through them...)... One final thing before I go again... You asked for a canon source that makes Santo not a Core world... Kaylee mentioned in Trash "First time in the Core....", but in Shindig they landed on Santo... Shindig was aired before Trash (both on TV and in the boxed set order). Plus, in Ariel, Mal keeps everyone on Serenity because it is a Core world, and states there "aren't any jobs worth having". But it is obvious that there were jobs to be had on Santo... So far this is supposition and conjecture. My other source is the RPG, which lists Santo as a Border World.. Although it was released in 2005, and I don't know the pedigree of it as a canon source. Be back soon... Caz
Monday, January 11, 2010 4:34 AM
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