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Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I don't recall if I already mentioned this topic here before.

Most of us are aware, when we wake in the morning, which direction is East. And which direction the Sun rose at Dawn.

Sol is the center of the Solar System.

So, which direction is the center of the Milky Way - our Galaxy? Or the center of The Universe?

If The Big Bang Theory is valid, then the reason the Universe is expanding constantly is because it is moving farther outward from the center, the singularity before TBBT.

The Galaxy is also expanding. And moving farther apart from the Galaxies closer to the Center of The Universe.

Once we can determine which direction the center of the Galaxy is, then we can commemorate the day when Terra is closest - or, when Terra is between Sol and Center of the Galaxy.
If this cannot be fathomed to within 1 degree of orbital plane (about 1 day of arc), then at least 1/12th of the Solar System plane can narrow it down to a Month. Or maybe even a week. Then, around midnight we can all look up and see the direction of the Center. And 6 months later, we would be looking at the outer portions, the rim of the Galaxy.


Same for the Universe.

I forgot to look into a Southern Star. Polaris is not visible from the Southern Hemisphere, is it?

Does anybody alredy know the answer? Which day of the year is Center of the Galaxy day?


I've heard so-called experts say there is no center of the Galaxy, or Center of The Universe. Does this mean that there really was no singularity from which all matter banged from?

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Wednesday, May 15, 2024 12:26 AM

ANONYMOUS1


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The Big Bang Theory



I loved that show. Very rewatchable”

;)

I don’t know the answers to your questions.

I did not know or forgot that there were southern lights as well as northern lights.

I know that where I live if I point my right arm east where the sun came up…I am facing north…my left arm is pointing west and my back is facing south.




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Wednesday, May 15, 2024 1:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


If there was "a" center from which the universe was expanding, then if we looked toward that center those stars would be approaching us, or at least we wouldn't be moving away from them as quickly as if we looked in the other direction.

But if I understand astronomers correctly, stars appear to be moving away from us all at the same speed, no matter which direction we look. And the farthest stars seem to be moving away from us the fastest. That would put us in the center of the universe.

None of that makes sense to me.

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Wednesday, May 15, 2024 2:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If there was "a" center from which the universe was expanding, then if we looked toward that center those stars would be approaching us, or at least we wouldn't be moving away from them as quickly as if we looked in the other direction.

But if I understand astronomers correctly, stars appear to be moving away from us all at the same speed, no matter which direction we look. And the farthest stars seem to be moving away from us the fastest. That would put us in the center of the universe.

None of that makes sense to me.



I doubt very much that we're the center of the universe.



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Monday, May 20, 2024 10:36 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


We are one of the dots sitting inside that Froth on a cup of coffee as it whirls and stirs if that makes sense

The center seems to be called Sagittarius A* somewhat obscured by all the gas and dust of the Milky Way but seen by Hubble and other X-ray and Infra-Red and radio Telescopes it is thought to be the supermassive black hole at the Galactic Center of the Milky Way, it is a very very bight but somewhat invisible energy source, stars bigger than our Sun are whirled and flung around it, theer are also a bunch of Unexplained powerful gamma rays from the 'galactic center' Sagittarius is one of the constellations of the zodiac and is located in the Southern celestial hemisphere, in the Northern hemisphere you look up and away from the Galaxy at the South you somewhat look down and into our Galaxy.

You can ask an assistant AI or robot or Alexa or a Chatbot this stuff these days without having to do any math study.

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Originally posted by ANONYMOUS1:

I did not know or forgot that there were southern lights as well as northern lights.





The recent solar storm put on a big show on both sides of our planet, some great photographs out there!

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I doubt very much that we're the center of the universe.



evidence says we are not and its a good thing guys like Giordano Bruno are no longer set on fire

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None of that makes sense to me.



Cosmology is a mess, it at times is more of a philosophy rather than Astronomy or Physics where these sciences are grounded in real science

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I've heard so-called experts



Were these schizophrenic voices in your head, maybe a dream of Israelis and Moses and Pyramids? what experts?

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Polaris is not visible from the Southern Hemisphere, is it?



it is good you can admit your stupidity

The Earth bows a little and leans away as it orbits the Sun so Polaris can be seen a tiny bit below the equator from 1.23° south latitude

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Which day of the year is Center of the Galaxy day?






I think you should go back to your Flat Earth Caveman Israel Zionist Pallywoodshit, its far more suitable for you


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I forgot to look into a Southern Star.



Did you know a 60 IQ Native Aboriginal wandering in Australian sand is more intelligent than you?

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Monday, May 20, 2024 10:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, I was looking for that word: cosmology. Thank you.

One observation that causes so much confusion is the "red shift". To explain what that is:

Stars have certain elements in them, notably hydrogen but also helium and heavier elements. These elements are "glowing hot", but elements don't glow across the spectrum uniformly. Each element glows in specific frequencies that have fixed relationships to each other and to other elements. For example, here is the hydrogen specturm:



When looking at the spectrum of other stars, observers have identified elements in the stars from their spectral lines, but also note that the spectra are shifted towards lower energy/ longer wavelength, called the "red shift". So called because in the visible spectrum that means all of the colors are shifted to the red end. Violet shifts to nlue, blue shifts to green, green shifts to yellow, yellow to orange, and red goes to infrared (heat) and becomes invisible to our eyes.

The other observation is that the farther away a star is, the more pronounced the "red shift".

One explanation for a red shift is that the stars are moving away from us. In much the same way as a train whistle sounds higher-pitched (shorter wavelength) when moving towards us, but lower pitched (longer wavelength) when moving AWAY [corrected]
from us, the wavelenghths are "compressed" like a slinky when the emitter is moving towards something, and "stretched out" like a slinky when moving away from something.

Combining the explanation for "red shift" (movement away) with the observation that star spectra are red shifted, the furthest away being the most red shifted, leads to the idea that the universe is expanding in all directions (amazingly, we seem to be atvghe center), the furthest away moving the fastest, the "Big Bang" theory and all that. And to bring the calculated velocities into our models, cosmologists have had to come up what we chemists called "fudge factors": dark matter AND dark energy! Factors that make the equations some out right.

It is an article of faith (this is where religion comes in) among cosmologists and scientists in general that this red shift is caused by, and can ONLY be caused by, relative velocities.

Nobody seems to wonder whether the "red shift" might be brought about by something other than motion away from the viewer. But one obvious explanation, altho it doesn't fit into our current scientific model, is that something else is occurring during transmission across the universe. Something we don't know about. Some form of interaction throughout space that "drags" on electromagnetic pulses and stretches them out. And the more space it travels thru, the more the pulses get stretched out.

What that might be, I DONT KNOW. But considering we don't know what gravity REALLY is, or how repulsive forces work (how do you push on a string?) or even magnetism, can we really rule out some interaction we haven't figured out yet?

It seems to me that when you have to write in so many corrections to your model, no matter how useful it's been in other situations, you really need to look at a new model. But bc scientists don't have an inkling of what that might be, they're still polishing the old one.

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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Thanks for all of the replies.

I'll have more when I get time.

The Southern Cross was what I had been thinking of, but that was so long ago that I had forgotten.

So the Center of Galaxy is between Sagittarius and Scorpio. Which seems to be almost opposite Polaris - so Polaris must be almost viewing the outer rim of the Galaxy.

More later.

But lots more has been found out in the past couple decades than what places like wiki will state.

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Saturday, June 29, 2024 3:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Thanks for all of the replies.

I'll have more when I get time.

The Southern Cross was what I had been thinking of, but that was so long ago that I had forgotten.

So the Center of Galaxy is between Sagittarius and Scorpio. Which seems to be almost opposite Polaris - so Polaris must be almost viewing the outer rim of the Galaxy.

More later.

But lots more has been found out in the past couple decades than what places like wiki will state.

The other part - the Center of The Galaxy, is also somewhat known. The exact center is unknown, because gobs of space dust block the view, which is what looks like "Milky Way" and gives the Galaxy it's name. I have seen photos of this. So, somebody knows which direction the Center of the Galaxy is, but we just cannot see it.
Once more info is obtained, we should be able to ascertain which direction it is in.

I don't currently know which direction this is in.

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Monday, June 23, 2025 8:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Thanks for all of the replies.

I'll have more when I get time.

The Southern Cross was what I had been thinking of, but that was so long ago that I had forgotten.

So the Center of Galaxy is between Sagittarius and Scorpio. Which seems to be almost opposite Polaris - so Polaris must be almost viewing the outer rim of the Galaxy.

More later.

But lots more has been found out in the past couple decades than what places like wiki will state.

The other part - the Center of The Galaxy, is also somewhat known. The exact center is unknown, because gobs of space dust block the view, which is what looks like "Milky Way" and gives the Galaxy it's name. I have seen photos of this. So, somebody knows which direction the Center of the Galaxy is, but we just cannot see it.
Once more info is obtained, we should be able to ascertain which direction it is in.

I don't currently know which direction this is in.

I need to make corrections to the posts in this thread.

So the Center of The Universe is between Sagittarius and Scorpio. Not Galaxy.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2025 6:59 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


There is no center of the Universe because within current models the Universe is near infinitely large, like you see physical people next to you you can see all these lights in the sky. Its all an illusion, if a bunch of people are standing next to each other there is no center, you can not see the larger planet you just see local people next to you clustered together....but that's an illusion of sorts and we can not see, something bigger exploded inflated by expansion, we can not fully see it nor observe its hidden dimensions, thats the answer to it.

There is no Universe center we can see with our eyes
You wont like it as an answers, that's not how your brain works seen as you often try explain stuff by religion.

'Cosmology' is not a perfect fit but its a lot better than a Jew Israeli torturing a chicken in some voodoo ritual and Rabbi telling people the chicken will be tricked into going to hell instead of the crimes of the Jew

the reality of it is that science does have good critics within its own community but it might also have hints of a cult or mafia club, other scientists that says we have been going the wrong way for the past 40 years...where have all the Advances in Science in the Western World Gone? Where were all these Expected Advances, what happened to math in the Western World...why are we advancing less since the days of Apollo etc or not advancing quick enough???

yes Comsology does have flaws
and sometimes it is almost more a philosophy than a science but real science happens within cosmology, they do observations and particle colliders so it is real science but they have these mathematical work around. Something not working not adding up so they cook up 'fixes' that help fit it all together and come up with these crazy ideas like Expansion and Inflation that break the early laws of physics in the early universe they think they have solutions but then sometimes that brings more math problems...the Universe had to expand faster than light in the early universe but physics says nothing expands faster than light. There is also a bunch of missing stuff, Anti-Matter that doesnt show up in expected numbers, they have work around ideas like 'Dark Matter' and 'Dark Energy' to explain the age of the Universe and why its expanding the way it does...but now we are slowly finding evidence of Dark Matter Dark Energy hints from Hubble and JWST observations. Let's mention a few guys Alexander Friedmann a Soviet Russian born in the Tsar Empire Imperial Russia who did the math, physicist Edwin Hubble one of the first to see Galaxies and in 1929, discerned the Universe and Nebulae and Galaxies are all different things and Galaxies are moving away from Earth at a rate that accelerates proportionally with distance, let's mention Einstein because everyone mentions him and a physicist Georges Lemaître who also agreed everything is moving apart from an explosion of sorts and the universe emerged from a "primeval atom" or point or singularity, there was some Blackhole thing or White whole thing or almost magic strange "phenomena" from a point explodes with a this strange dimensional stuff inside that we don't understand as the Laws of Physics start to break down as you rewind near to the point of the 'Big Bang' ...and that model done independently by people in various parts of the world way way back in the 1920s is the best model we currently have.
Hubble and JWST sometimes ruin it by seeing a Galaxy that's 'older' than the universe and they can have huge debates maybe about tweaking models again.

and anyways the short answer is the Universe has no center, none that we see as little humans living in our 3-D world on Earth, it is too big to see the center you are like an old fisher man on some island far away in some ocean asking where is the Center of America or Asia or Europe when you cant even see it

We are losing the ability to see Galaxies, they just go dark and we go dark to them


just as two motor bikes that drive away from each other there will be a point when the two bikes stop hearing each other

https://scienceillustrated.com/space/why-we-will-never-see-the-end-of-
the-universe-space-is-expanding


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It takes about five minutes to read this article, and during that time, 18 million stars will disappear. They will simply travel out of sight, never to return, so we will never know what happens to them in the future.

This is due to the expansion of the universe. It has been going on since the Big Bang 13.8 billion years ago, and for the past seven billion years, the expansion has accelerated.

Every cubic cm of space is growing, and over long distances, this means that objects are moving away from each other faster than the speed of light.

As a result, astronomers are losing contact with ever more distant galaxies.




The Universe also isnt 3-d it might have a bunch of weird exotic stuff
like 11 dimensions we never see...the String Theory M-Theory rabbit hole


So now you think of 2 ants on an expanding Ballooon...as the Balloon expands the two Ants named Ben and another Ant named Jerry look at each other and decide wow the 'Center' is exactly between Ben and Jerry...but on the other side of the Balloon sits two other ants Laurel and Hardy and as the Balloon expands with Laurel and Hardy looking at each other they conclude wow the Universal Center must be exactly between them


so the current model says the Big Bang was not truly a physical expansion we see but an expansion of 'Space-Time' and all these other hidden 11 string theory dimensions that we can not see just like the Ants can not see its an illusion and the Air inside the Balloon expands. They also say it is next to impossible to observe in that the Universe expansion is uniform in the sense that you can pick any two points anywhere and get the same expansion rate but impossible to triangulate a center since its not a 3-d expansion but a space-time expansion, that's their math fix, and they do see effects like Gravity Lensing showing massive objects bending light but they say while the 'Bing Bang' happened at a point its not a 3-D thing, it happened everywhere.


more space was created in between all the matter, until everything was able to cool down, eventually all Galaxies will drift apart. Big Bang issue that people dont wrap their heads around is that it was not matter exploding into empty space, but rather, the Big Bang was space-time itself expanding and a bunch of hidden invisible dimensions expanding. Some argued with it, Einstein for example why he revolutionized physics and astronomy and was trying to make his own theory he didnt like the small science down at the nano levels or quantum mechanics for example, believed the size and shape of the universe today was—more or less—the same size and shape it had always been, he did know a lot but then seemed to be outclassed as the Quantum world opened up computing etc its difficulty to imagine something as big as the universe not having a center but its not a 3-D thing its space time and all these other hidden dimensions, we can only see the skin of the balloon expand and not the exotic stuff inside that truly makes it expand and physics says that's the reality of it, we are only observing the skin or the fabric of the universe, while space-time within the universe expands.


The current theory from the Cosmology guys is that there should be evidence and they found evidence Microwave Background Radiation, the theory is the universe is exactly identical, no matter where it is viewed from, just as long as it is viewed at the same time....but time is relative isn't it?...anyways at the time of the big bang, when time doesn't seem to have meaning, the distances between any two given points seems to shrink to zero or some Plank time quantum mechanics idea but the conclusion and observation is that the Big Bang happened everywhere, all at once, which is why we see some sort of uniform structure, the superstructure and galaxy cluster movements, but then even this has problems as we are starting to see some grand spider web design and enormous voids...so maybe they will try tweaking and adjusting their math again. Like people dying off on this forum and no longer posting, that is the universe, distant lights just blink out, everything in the universe is getting farther away from everything else, all at once, people just go dark, the lights no longer next to each other, and the 'center' was never there it is almost just an abstract idea we almost have trouble viewing, almost can not mathematical see.


There are guys out there who challenge the system, say its all madness, almost a Cult not a science, and its a Math Gang of Mafia people, the String Theory Has Failed for 40 Years, Eric Weinstein for example who comes from outside Cosmology outside of Physics but is a mathematician, venture capital who proposed a theory of everything called "Geometric Unity" but people didnt really accept it, mostly met with skepticism in the scientific community. String Theory used to be the 'Thing' to study but after a while critics said it makes no predictions and it is thus more philosophy than science and not falsifiable?...maybe not true but guys like Eric Weinstein mocking them all for drinking the string theory kool-aid and smoking the ganja could be a place to start

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What that might be, I DONT KNOW. But considering we don't know what gravity REALLY is, or how repulsive forces work (how do you push on a string?) or even magnetism, can we really rule out some interaction we haven't figured out yet?

It seems to me that when you have to write in so many corrections to your model, no matter how useful it's been in other situations, you really need to look at a new model. But bc scientists don't have an inkling of what that might be, they're still polishing the old one.



You have a good logical brain, you would have made a good radio astronomer or planetary geologist or whatever jobs are out there

Gravity might be the next thing

the Graviton is up for debate and 'Anti-Gravity'

There was a mission that was beat down during the last Bush junior budget cuts but the Europeans tried keep it alive, Laser Interferometer Space Antenna (LISA) is a planned European space mission to detect and measure gravitational waves

When Neutron stars or Blackholes smash together they are expected to make Gravity Waves, New Insight into Supermassive Black Hole Mergers, first direct observation of gravitational waves were only made in September 2015, astronomers discovered the 'hum' of various SMBH mergers occurring in the universe. Stephen Hawking and Werner Israel list different frequency bands for gravitational waves that could plausibly be detected, ranging from 10-7 Hz up to 1011 Hz


https://www.science.org/content/article/breakthrough-2017/


The gravitational wave signal lasted for approximately 100 seconds (much longer than the few seconds measured from binary black holes

https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/video/ligo20171016v3


three detections localized the source to an area in the southern sky at 90% probability, calculations later refined the localization to within 28 square degrees
https://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/other/G298048.gcn3
It arrived first at the Virgo detector in Italy, then 22 milliseconds later at the LIGO-Livingston detector in Louisiana, United States, and another 3 milliseconds later at the LIGO-Hanford detector in the state of Washington, in the United States.


one of the online personality of the String-Theory critics

What If the Smartest People Are Lying to You? - Eric Weinstein


Chris Williamson


says there were 40 years of good competing ideas but String, M-Theory, gang of String-Theorists destroyed them

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