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Pending Home Sales Puked In August To The Lowest On Record [since 2001] ... just in time for 2024

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, October 2, 2023 13:23
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Thursday, September 28, 2023 1:14 PM

SIGNYM

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With existing home sales at their lowest since 2010 and new home sales finally hitting the wall, pending home sales were expected to decline MoM in August after an uptick in July (amid soaring mortgage rates and plunging affordability) and they did...bigly.

Pending home sales plunged 7.1% MoM in August (dramatically worse than the -1.0% expected) dragging sales down 18.8% YoY...



That is the biggest MoM decline since Sept 2022 and drops the overall index to exactly equal to its COVID-lockdown lows (the worst on record)


I dunno. Records go back a long way.. a lot longer than this chart shows.

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All regions saw declines in August. Contract signings in the South fell to the lowest level since 2010, while the West posted the weakest reading in data back to 2001.

The pending-home sales report is a leading indicator of existing-home sales given houses typically go under contract a month or two before they’re sold.

“Some would-be home buyers are taking a pause and readjusting their expectations,” Lawrence Yun, NAR’s chief economist, said in a statement.

“It’s clear that increased housing inventory and better interest rates are essential to revive the housing market.”


And given where mortgage rates have gone since, pending home sales don't look like bouncing back any time soon...




Please note that the interest rate axis is INVERTED, that is, interest rates go UP the lower they are vertically.

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How long with Powell and his pals be able to keep this 'higher for longer' stress up as Americans' largest source of wealth evaporates?

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/pending-home-sales-puked-au
gust-lowest-record


Well, it depends very much on how wedded Powell is to the DNC. I don't know his record, and he could always uncork the champagne bottle by dropping intererst rates in spring/summer 2024 and making people feel wealthy again.

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Thursday, September 28, 2023 2:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The big problem is that this time, there is a supply/demand issue.

Not only have the houses become unaffordable like I always said they would if rates were raised, but the prices AREN'T COMING DOWN because there is a huge supply shortage keeping the prices at historic levels while the interest rates keep creeping higher.

This is EXCELLENT news for local governments who get to tax the shit out of their citizens.

Assessed values raised 14.6% across the state this year here in Indiana, and I've dealt with them enough this year to know that this was at least a two-stage process and they plan on doing it again next year too.

Different areas get hit harder than others as well. They increased mine by 89% this year. When I did comparisons to everyone on my block, mine was by far the highest, with the runner up being just over 70%. The lowest increase on my block was 24%. The average was over 40%.


I was aware of this happening all the way back in January and I started fighting it back then and I'm still fighting it. I'd thought we'd come to a deal, until I dug deeper into all the paperwork and realized that even though I got them to reduce it to under 20% this year, they intended to raise it another 18% next year.

They've completely bastardized the property tax cards as well. Instead of using the Market and Neighborhood multipliers to change the value, they started just arbitrarily changing the condition and effective year of everybody's houses, virtually cutting the age of everybody's house in 1/2 or even 1/3rd of what it had been since the house was built. They shaved 41 years off of the effective age of my house and put the condition to "A" when it was "C" before.

They didn't mess with the age of the garage, but they changed it from a "D" grade to an "A" grade.

All sorts of shenanigans happening.

And they knew it was coming too. Up until a year or two ago, if you had an increase of more than 5% then the burden of proof was on the assessor to explain why it went up that high. Now there is no such law barring them from doing this.

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Thursday, September 28, 2023 5:01 PM

SIGNYM

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So I looked up housing starts v population growth


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For the past 40 years, housing supply has not kept pace with population growth. A simple way to observe this fact is by looking at housing starts (i.e., new residential construction) as a share of the U.S. population. The figure above shows that housing starts as a share of the population has been on an overall decreasing trend since the 1970s. This decrease became particularly pronounced after the peak of the 2000s housing bubble. Housing starts as a share of the population decreased by roughly 39 percent in the 15-year period from January 2006 to June 2021. Researchers at Freddie Mac have estimated that the current shortage of homes is close to 3.8 million, up substantially from an estimated 2.5 million in 2018.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2021/09/01/alleviatin
g-supply-constraints-in-the-housing-market
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US Housing Supply Continues to Lag Household Formations;

https://www.realtor.com/research/us-housing-supply-gap-march-2023/




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Thursday, September 28, 2023 7:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup.

So nobody can afford the houses at the current prices because the interest rates all got raised (it doesn't take much of an interest raise to make the homes completely not affordable when the prices were already this high), but unlike in previous recessions the prices of the houses will not come down no matter how bad the economy gets.

A majority of people will have to rent at insanely high prices.

Everybody who owns a home is stuck in the home because they can't afford to sell the home even if somebody (*cough* Larry Fink *cough*) could afford to buy them.

Local governments across the nation get to raise property taxes to obscene amounts because of inflation to the point that people who "own" the houses are just paying rent to the government, even in areas where the taxes were very reasonable pre-covid-plandemic.

Why should Larry Fink have to pay top dollar to buy up everyone's homes when we can now just raise the property taxes so high that everybody gets evicted?

This is all orchestrated and going to plan.

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Thursday, September 28, 2023 7:33 PM

SIGNYM

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According to the price/supply curves that they teach in macroeconomics, the increased price should have drawn in increased investment and increased supply, and brought the market back to "equilibrium".

All I can conclude is that the market is cornered by a monopoly of some sorts- probably a collusion between bankers and corporate investors - to suppress theoretical market activity.

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Friday, September 29, 2023 12:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
According to the price/supply curves that they teach in macroeconomics, the increased price should have drawn in increased investment and increased supply, and brought the market back to "equilibrium".

All I can conclude is that the market is cornered by a monopoly of some sorts- probably a collusion between bankers and corporate investors - to suppress theoretical market activity.




That's the problem right there.

All that extra money that was created by "quantitative easing" was your shares in the company (the US Dollar) being continually split, but you weren't getting the split.

And it didn't take long before most of that money ended up in the hands of the 0.1%.

In a "normal" house market, you wouldn't have people with trillions of dollars behind them buying houses (Vanguard and Blackrock) or people like Bill Gates buying up all the farmland.

We, the people who still own houses, or the people who would like to but can't afford them anymore aren't a part of that market anymore.

Sure... On paper the value of our homes are the highest they've ever been, but why on earth would you sell your home right now? If you have a mortgage that predates the FED rate hikes it makes ZERO sense. The only way it would make sense is if you owned your house without a mortgage and you were selling yours to buy another one with cash (either to buy into a smaller home or to a cheaper area).

So that just means that we're in the way right now.

The average person who doesn't own a home can't come close to affording one right now. So that just leaves the big guys who want to buy all of them and rent them out to us.

They don't care if the houses get so high that even the smallest home 400 miles from any big cities becomes a million dollar house. They'll just wait until we're forced to sell our houses because we can no longer afford the property taxes. And when our backs are up against the wall and the only buyers out there are the CORPS, they know they don't have to offer us anywhere close to what our local assessors said the homes were worth.

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Friday, September 29, 2023 12:24 PM

SIGNYM

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I think you've hit the nail on the head, SIX.

There is a demand/supply problem, but the demand is coming from coporations that are so cash-rich they either buy houses/ land/ farmland with cash outright (making higher interest rates a non-issue for them) or they have access to loans at rates we'll never see (making higher interest rates a non-issue for them). And local and county governments hoover up the tax bonus.

So the only one left holding the bag is the average American. Yet another process to squeeze blood from us.

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Friday, September 29, 2023 12:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah. Me and my old man talk about this type of shit all the time.

He's not worried about it for himself because he knows he doesn't have a ton of time left here. If you had asked me even a year ago I would have said I wasn't worried about it, especially since I don't have any kids to worry about, but they seem to have been putting their pedal on the gas to make this happen sooner than later.

Agenda 2030 needs to ramp it up if they're going to make that 7 year deadline, dunnit?






And if we somehow manage to scrape together enough cash to refuse to be bought out and turned into a renter for too long, they can always just set our house on fire like they did in Maui, right?



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Monday, October 2, 2023 1:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And if we somehow manage to scrape together enough cash to refuse to be bought out and turned into a renter for too long, they can always just set our house on fire like they did in Maui, right?




Oh... and I forgot to mention this part...

Crippling Home Insurance Price Surges Squeeze American Homeowners

https://tippinsights.com/crippling-home-insurance-price-surges-squeeze
-american-homeowners
/


I'm glad that at least somebody is commenting on the storm chasers that I've been complaining about for years now.

I'm glad everyone is getting those brand new roofs for "free". Nobody will be able to afford homeowners insurance with the increases in property taxes.

Either way, since most people don't own their homes outright, that means somebody will be taking the house away from them. I suppose it doesn't really matter if it's the Government or the Banks since they're only superficially separate entities.

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