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MOAR WAR for USA in Syria. Large military convoy rolls into Syria on Biden's* first day. Thanks Joe*

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Saturday, January 23, 2021 9:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Two separate reports from Middle East news sources at the end of this week strongly suggest that both Russia and the United States are building up their forces in war-torn Syria within the opening days of the Joe Biden administration.

First, Syrian state media is alleging a major US build-up and reinforcements sent to "illegitimate bases in Hasakah countryside". The report in Syria's SANA details:

"...that a convoy consisted of 40 trucks loaded with weapons and logistical materials, affiliated to the so-called international coalition have entered in Hasaka countryside via al-Walid illegitimate border crossing with north of Iraq, to reinforce illegitimate bases in the area."



MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-us-convoy-rolled-syria-1s
t-day-biden-presidency

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Saturday, January 23, 2021 9:16 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Anti-Biden conspiracy claims US escalating role in Syria

Rumors that the US has sent a “convoy” of trucks to Syria spread online overnight between Friday and Saturday. It was tweeted and pushed by those who are critical of US foreign policy and particularly some who have latched onto a narrative that former US President Donald Trump wanted to end “foreign wars” while President Joe Biden will “start” a new war. Neither is accurate.

The conspiracy theory that claims Biden “invaded” Syria or sent a US convoy there on his “first day” is a misreading of events. The US supplies its forces in eastern Syria with trucks often sent from the Kurdistan region of northern Iraq. This is a tenuous logistics pipeline for US personnel and Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve. Those who follow these movements call them routine. There is no evidence of an increased US footprint, a change in posture or tempo of operations.

Nevertheless pro-Trump commentators and Trump’s own officials often claimed the US was “ending” a series of “endless wars.”

https://www.jpost.com/international/false-claims-in-syria-biden-will-s
tart-war-as-us-presence-there-rejected-656440


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 23, 2021 9:46 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


What is jpost?


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Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:05 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What is jpost?

The Jerusalem Post is Israel's most-read English news website and best-selling English newspaper bringing breaking news, world news & middle east news. -- www.jpost.com

The choices that US President Joe Biden has made to lead his foreign policy team show that he is tapping pragmatic and competent advisers. This was on display in the confirmation hearings for senior Biden officials Antony Blinken and Avril Haines. Haines, the pick for director of National Intelligence, received overwhelming support, and was confirmed by the Senate on Biden’s first day in office. She is the first woman to lead the US intelligence community. Blinken is one of Biden’s closest advisers, and has been a key part of the US foreign policy establishment for many years.
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/bidens-approach-to-the-middle-east-shoul
d-be-realistic-pragmatic-656305


Unstated in the jpost editorial: Blinken was born to Jewish parents. Haines identifies with her mother's Jewish faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Blinken
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avril_Haines

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:56 PM

WHOZIT


Naw, he sent troops to DC to live in a parking garage.

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Saturday, January 23, 2021 2:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND believes theJPOst because ... well, they're Israeli, and Israel would never lie to us. /snicker Meanwhile, OBSERVERS IN SYRIA are telling us this is fact.

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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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Saturday, January 23, 2021 2:58 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND believes theJPOst because ... well, they're Israeli, and Israel would never lie to us. /snicker Meanwhile, OBSERVERS IN SYRIA are telling us this is fact.

Believable observers are NOT telling us that. It is super crooked murderer and President of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, telling us fake news. Snicker all you want, Russian troll, but you and your English language source, fake "Tyler Durden" at zerohedge, have zero military experience and credibility at recognizing the difference between a real evasion, a routine truck convoy, and stories "Tyler Durden" made by hand out of his bowel movements in the century long tradition of crafty propaganda writers.

https://www.jpost.com/international/false-claims-in-syria-biden-will-s
tart-war-as-us-presence-there-rejected-656440


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 23, 2021 3:36 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND believes theJPOst because ... well, they're Israeli, and Israel would never lie to us. /snicker Meanwhile, OBSERVERS IN SYRIA are telling us this is fact.

No one is telling us anything.

Overall, we rate Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

Another Russian troll is lying again. Shocker.





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Saturday, January 23, 2021 3:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Your 'sources' are suspect, SECOND. Not to mention you cherry-pick them, the same way dumbya picked his.

Here are other 'sources that disagree with jpost.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/1611293792-us
-military-convoy-enters-northeast-syria-report

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/syria/2021/syria-21012
1-presstv01.htm



And Israel is no innocent party either.
Syria says four dead in first Israeli strike since Biden took office
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-security-syria-idUSKBN29R0B
F


Let's see how this plays out. I suspect jpost and the m$m will be another in a long and shameful list of NOT THE NEWS.

Because they'd NEVER lie to us about anything. Right?





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Saturday, January 23, 2021 3:41 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Your 'sources' are suspect, SECOND. Not to mention you cherry-pick them, the same way dumbya picked his.

Here are other 'sources that disagree with jpost.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/1611293792-us
-military-convoy-enters-northeast-syria-report

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/syria/2021/syria-21012
1-presstv01.htm



And Israel is no innocent party either.
Syria says four dead in first Israeli strike since Biden took office
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-security-syria-idUSKBN29R0B
F


Let's see how this plays out. I suspect jpost and the m$m will be another in a long and shameful list of NOT THE NEWS.

Because they'd NEVER lie to us about anything. Right?





The US military has stationed forces and equipment in northeastern Syria, with the Pentagon claiming that the troops deployment are aimed at preventing the oilfields in the area from falling into the hands of Daesh terrorists. Damascus, however, says the deployment is meant to plunder the country's resources.

The US first confirmed its looting of Syrian oil during a Senate hearing exchange between South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham and former US secretary of state Mike Pompeo in late July last year.

During his testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee at the time, Pompeo confirmed for the first time that an American oil company would begin work in northeastern Syria, which is controlled by militants from the so-called Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).

The Syrian government strongly condemned the agreement, saying that the deal was struck to plunder the country's natural resources, including oil and gas, under the sponsorship and support of the administration of former US president Donald Trump.
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Oops. Doesn't say what you want it to, does it?



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Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:41 AM

REAVERFAN


There’s a news story about a US military convoy entering Syria being shared around social media with captions claiming that President Biden is already “invading” Syria which is getting tons of shares in both right-wing and left anti-imperialist circles. The virality of these shares has inspired clickbait titles like “Joe Biden Invades Syria with Convoy of US Troops and Choppers on First Full Day as President“, which are being shared with equal virality.

But if you read the original report everyone jumped on, accurately titled “US military convoy enters northeast Syria: report”, you don’t have to read too far to get to this line: “Other local media report that such maneuvers are not unusual as the US often moves transfers equipment between Iraq and Syria.”

So while this is a movement of troops between illegitimate military occupations which have no business existing in either country, it is nothing new and would have been happening regardless of which candidate had won the last US presidential election.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/01/24/what-bidens-warmongering-will-
actually-look-like
/

Seems like our Russian trolls have given up on this particular lie.





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Monday, January 25, 2021 4:28 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


How the Arab spring unfolded – a visualisation

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/jan/25/how-the-a
rab-spring-unfolded-a-visualisation


Biden executive order repeals Trump travel ban
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-executive-order-repeals-t
rump-travel-ban/ar-BB1cWe3p


While
Washington ComPost and JewYork Times the sewer media now moans and cries how Trump’s jihadi travel bans cause heartaches?


Islamic Mohammedans exult in Biden's order voiding travel ban
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/jan/24/muslims-exult-in-biden
s-order-voiding-travel-ban
/


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Monday, January 25, 2021 6:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Robert Ford argues the US needs to withdraw troops from Syria because the US has no national benefit from its presence, because it's a unneeded significant drain on US dollars, and because the alternative is MOAR WAR.


Robert Stephen Ford (born 1958) is a retired American diplomat who served as the United States Ambassador to Algeria from 2006 to 2008 (under GW Bush) and the United States Ambassador to Syria from 2010 to 2014 (under Obama). (WIKI)

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U.S. Strategy in Syria Has Failed
Washington Must Acknowledge That It Can’t Build a State

By Robert S. Ford
January 25, 2021

During his four years in office, U.S. President Donald Trump repeatedly promised to get the United States out of the nation-building business. Long-term U.S. efforts to reconstruct and stabilize postconflict societies, (Trump) argued, were misguided and doomed to fail. And for the most part, Trump delivered: he cut troop numbers in Iraq and Afghanistan, and he scaled back democracy-promotion funding by nearly $1 billion during his time in office.

But the Trump administration departed from its no-nation-building policy to pursue one long-shot effort—in Syria. The United States tried to use military force and financial pressure to compel Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to accept major constitutional reforms and a Kurdish autonomous zone in the country’s northeast. Under U.S. supervision, that region developed into a semistate with its own army, the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), and an entrenched bureaucracy—dominated by the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) and its political arm, the Democratic Union Party (PYD).

After six years and roughly $2.6 billion, this statelet is America’s baby, raised under U.S. military protection and shielded from hostile neighbors. Unable to support itself, the autonomous zone will remain dependent on U.S. resources for the foreseeable future.

To highlight the particular issue, Syrian Kurds will be especially dependent on US forces corralling Syrian oil.
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An open-ended commitment of this kind is not what the United States needs, however. Syria has never been a major U.S. national security issue, and American interests there have always been limited to preventing the conflict from threatening Washington’s more important concerns elsewhere.
ie: What is in AMERICA'S interests?
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Current U.S. policy does little to accomplish that central goal. It has also not secured political reform in Damascus, restored stability to the country, and dealt with the remnants of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS. President Joe Biden would do well to change tack — withdrawing the hundreds of U.S. soldiers currently deployed to Syria and relying on Russia and Turkey to contain ISIS.

STUCK AT AN IMPASSE

Ostensibly, U.S. strategy in northeastern Syria is designed to mop up the last vestiges of ISIS, denying the group a safe haven from which to launch attacks. Although a years-long international military campaign largely destroyed the terrorist group, its remaining members still carry out sporadic low-level attacks in Syria and Iraq. American support for the SDF, and its Kurdish YPG core, is supposed to help these groups contain ISIS with minimal outside help and without the need for a full-scale U.S. deployment.

Although politically appealing, this strategy is deeply flawed. The United States’ Syrian Kurdish allies have exacerbated long-standing regional tensions between Arabs and Kurds. Among Arab communities in particular, there is widespread frustration over Kurdish political dominance — enabled by the United States — and Kurdish control of local oil fields. Arab residents have also protested the SDF’s alleged administrative corruption, heavy-handed counterterrorist operations, and conscription practices. For their part, Kurdish forces have carried out car bomb attacks against Arab towns under Turkish military control. In such an environment, fraught with ethnic tensions and tribal disputes, ISIS can operate with the tacit acceptance of local communities and recruit from their disaffected ranks. The United States will always confront this problem if its policies favor a Kurdish-dominated statelet in eastern Syria.

Kurds aren't innocent victims, victimizing minorities as much as anyone else. And they're a driver of added instability, warfare, terrorism, as well as terrorist groups, in the region.
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U.S. strategy has another, more fundamental defect: ISIS is not contained to the areas under U.S. and SDF control. The terrorist group also operates in a zone loosely controlled by the Syrian government and its allies, including Russia and Iran, that extends almost 200 miles west of the Euphrates River. If the goal is to prevent ISIS from reconstituting itself or using Syria as a launching pad for attacks elsewhere, then limiting U.S. deployments to the country’s eastern quarter doesn’t solve that problem. Nor does sanctioning the Assad government — repulsive though it is — since doing so only leaves Syrian government forces with fewer resources to fight the extremist group.

THE BIDEN TEAM SHOULD RELY MORE HEAVILY ON RUSSIA AND TURKEY

The current U.S. approach also lacks an achievable endgame. Without U.S. diplomatic and military cover, the YPG and SDF would likely face a two- or three-front war against both Turkey and the Syrian government that would draw their fighters away from the battle against ISIS. To prevent that outcome, while still backing Kurdish forces, the United States will have to remain in eastern Syria indefinitely. If Russia, Turkey, Iran, or the Syrian government chooses to increase military pressure on U.S. forces or the nascent Kurdish statelet, the United States will be forced to throw ever more resources at the problem. Such was the case when Russian military units began harassing U.S. patrols in the summer of 2020 — and the United States Central Command dispatched new lightly armored units as a deterrent. This dynamic is likely to get worse in the coming years.

ie MOAR WAR. MOAR TROOPS.
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RELYING ON RUSSIA AND TURKEY

Given these flaws in Trump’s Syria policy, the new administration needs a different approach — one that successfully contains ISIS without committing the U.S. military to another forever war. Instead of maintaining the current U.S. strategy, the Biden team, with its newfound emphasis on diplomacy, should rely more heavily on Russia and Turkey. Unpleasant as it sounds, acknowledging these two countries’ interests in Syria might produce better results.

Russia is a far from perfect partner, but its support for Assad makes it the right force to take over the counter-ISIS fight. Moscow is committed to ensuring the Syrian government’s survival, and a resurgent ISIS (potentially financed by Syrian oil fields seized from the SDF) would seriously threaten Assad. To capitalize on this narrow strip of common ground, the Biden administration should strike a deal that delegates to Moscow counter-ISIS missions on both sides of the Euphrates. This would inevitably require an increased Russian military footprint in eastern Syria, and the United States would need to negotiate a phased withdrawal of its forces and a timeline for a transition from U.S. to Russian control.

The alternatives are: endless US troop commitment until something (likely more jihadism) changes the balance to MOAR WAR, OR immediate escalation into MOAR WAR.
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Handing off responsibility for counter-ISIS missions in eastern Syria, however, will not eliminate the need to prevent the terrorist group from using Syria as a base to attack U.S. allies or interests. To mitigate that threat, the United States must convince Turkey to secure its southern border. Much like Moscow, Ankara has clear incentives to cooperate; ISIS has launched terror attacks inside Turkey, too. Completely sealing off a nearly 600-mile-long border will be difficult, however, so Washington will have to provide Turkey with technological and intelligence support to monitor terrorist traffic. Such an effort will require intense cooperation, and the Turks were hard to deal with even before U.S. support for the YPG, which Turkey considers a terrorist group, helped tank relations. But cooperation will be easier once the United States is no longer directly assisting Kurdish forces. Turkey’s primary objective is to stop these groups from establishing an autonomous entity in Syria.

THE RIGHT ROLLOUT

Biden must avoid surprising the United States’ Kurdish partners with this new strategy; his administration should inform them early about impending U.S. steps. The SDF and YPG have been good partners in the fight against ISIS, and the Russians would be wise to continue working with them under a new arrangement. Moscow has experience in this area: the Russians created, equipped, and currently oversee the “Fifth Corps” of pro-Damascus fighters that conduct missions around the country. In conjunction with the Syrian government, Moscow could create a new “Sixth Corps” composed of SDF members under Russian command.

Separately, the PYD and YPG will have to negotiate with Damascus over the political status of the territory they control. The PYD’s long-standing relationship with the Syrian government can facilitate this process. In 2012, the group struck a deal with Assad to take control of northeastern cities as the Syrian army withdrew, and its communities never endured government bombing campaigns such as those that targeted Homs, Aleppo, and suburban Damascus. Now, the YPG and PYD should build on this legacy to secure equal citizenship and property rights for their communities—protections long denied to many Syrian Kurds. Although such an arrangement won’t constitute full autonomy in a federal Syria, it would be a significant improvement over the prewar status quo.

Still, there will undoubtedly be howls of protest from U.S. politicians and analysts who insist that Washington owes the YPG and SDF much more. But despite valuable Kurdish assistance in the fight against ISIS, the United States does not owe these groups an indefinite military umbrella at substantial taxpayer expense. The United States’ national interest is to contain terrorist threats, not guarantee the shape of governance in eastern Syria.

In other words, what's in AMERICA'S interests?
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RECOGNIZING U.S. LIMITS

Ultimately, the Biden administration needs to be realistic about the United States’ ability to extract political concessions in Syria. U.S. officials, myself included, long sought reforms from Assad’s government — with little success. For its part, the Trump administration tried using financial sanctions and control over Syria’s oil fields to compel Damascus to change its behavior. Assad hardly budged. Damascus excels at stringing along negotiations, and the UN talks in Geneva that Washington has pinned its hopes on are stalemated. For Assad and his clique, the conflict is a zero-sum game in which demands for reform or autonomy inevitably lead to instability, challenges to their control, or unwelcome calls for accountability. Thus, the regime fights on under the painful assumption that reform will shorten its lifespan. U.S. or SDF control of small northeastern oil fields won’t change that calculation.

THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT ITS ABILITY TO EXTRACT POLITICAL CONCESSIONS IN SYRIA

Other analysts claim that a U.S. withdrawal would give Iran and Russia free rein in Syria. That argument ignores both countries’ decades-long political and military links with Damascus — ties that U.S. pressure is unlikely to weaken. Russia and Syria have maintained a close relationship since the Cold War, and Russian advisers operated in the country well before the current conflict began in 2011. Iran’s presence is similarly long-standing: when I was the U.S. ambassador in Syria ten years ago, U.S. diplomats shared an apartment building with Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps members. There have been Revolutionary Guard military facilities in Syria for almost 20 years. Occasional small U.S. patrols in eastern Syria won’t alter either of these bilateral relationships, and they won’t be able to block Iranian missile shipments into the country — something the Israeli air force is already doing effectively.

Biden could, of course, maintain the Trump administration’s strategy. But doing so would mean wasting billions of dollars while exacerbating intercommunal tensions and failing to contain ISIS. The United States has limited objectives in Syria that should cost Washington far less; whatever cash it wants to spend should go to the enormous refugee problem. Better to let Russia and Turkey secure their national interests by taking on the anti-ISIS burden. Ultimately, such bargains are the essence of diplomacy — working on specific problems, even with unsavory partners, to achieve limited but mutual goals.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/turkey/2021-01-25/us-strategy-
syria-has-failed


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Monday, January 25, 2021 6:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Meanwhile, US troops are being redeployed into Syria. In other words, a " Large military convoy rolls into Syria"

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/syria/2021/syria-21012
1-presstv01.htm



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Monday, February 1, 2021 7:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


What is MOAR?

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Thursday, February 4, 2021 10:16 PM

REAVERFAN


It's amusing how wrong the Russian trolls always are.



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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 5:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




US-led Coalition Convoy Enters NE Syria: Monitor
https://www.basnews.com/en/babat/667461

US occupation sends convoy of weapons, logistic aid to Koniko oilfield, Deir Ezzor countryside
https://www.sana.sy/en/?p=220205



Latest on US war in Syria. What's not to like?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61742&p=1

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 3:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


USA actions in Syria become more "kinetic"



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-bombs-facilities-syria-used-i
ran-backed-militia-n1258912


Let's not mention that Iran was invited into Syria but the USA was .... not.

*****

People have described the Biden* foreign policy as Obama2.0 but I think it's more like Hillary2.0. Obama's deal with Iran, his shifting out Hillary for Kerry, his hatred of Netanyahu, and his "pivot to the east" speaks to me of a change in policy towards the end of his second term. But it looks like the neocons want a second bite of the apple under Biden*.


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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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