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Sunday, February 23, 2020 4:28 PM

BRENDA


Allow me a minute of your time to explain myself and the question that I am asking.

On Sunday I leave CNN on with mute on as well. Today I saw a by-line with Biden saying, "That Blacks can own this election."

Now, I know that your politicians make a big show out of courting the women's vote, the Black vote, Hispanic vote and Asian. But I don't think I can remember a time when I have heard of an American politician going into Indian Country.

I mean in Canada a politician that doesn't go to a reserve anywhere in the country is making a big mistake. Or at least speak to some of the chiefs in each province. Specially in a Federal election.

I am not trying to start an argument. I am just trying to understand the why of us being left out.

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 4:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Allow me a minute of your time to explain myself and the question that I am asking.

On Sunday I leave CNN on with mute on as well. Today I saw a by-line with Biden saying, "That Blacks can own this election."

Now, I know that your politicians make a big show out of courting the women's vote, the Black vote, Hispanic vote and Asian. But I don't think I can remember a time when I have heard of an American politician going into Indian Country.

I mean in Canada a politician that doesn't go to a reserve anywhere in the country is making a big mistake. Or at least speak to some of the chiefs in each province. Specially in a Federal election.

I am not trying to start an argument. I am just trying to understand the why of us being left out.

Do you mean why American Politicians are not courting the Indian (Native American, First Peoples) vote?

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 5:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

I am not trying to start an argument. I am just trying to understand the why of us being left out.



I hate to say it Brenda, but it's all about the ROI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_social_statistics_of_Native_Ameri
cans


Native Americans make up 1.01% of the people currently living here.

That means, generally speaking, our lying and thieving politicians on either side don't give a shit about them.



Democrats should, at least in theory, pretend to care though. Maybe you should ask the Democrats on this board why we routinely have discussions in this country about bathrooms and other transsexual rights when they only (allegedly) account for 0.6% of the population in the States.

The only time I ever hear about Native Americans in politics is when somebody on the Democrat side is (falsely) alleging that they're being prevented from voting. Then two weeks later they stop pretending to care again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:34 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Allow me a minute of your time to explain myself and the question that I am asking.

On Sunday I leave CNN on with mute on as well. Today I saw a by-line with Biden saying, "That Blacks can own this election."

Now, I know that your politicians make a big show out of courting the women's vote, the Black vote, Hispanic vote and Asian. But I don't think I can remember a time when I have heard of an American politician going into Indian Country.

I mean in Canada a politician that doesn't go to a reserve anywhere in the country is making a big mistake. Or at least speak to some of the chiefs in each province. Specially in a Federal election.

I am not trying to start an argument. I am just trying to understand the why of us being left out.

Do you mean why American Politicians are not courting the Indian (Native American, First Peoples) vote?



Yes, JSF. I am talking about Native American or if you prefer the older words American Indian.

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:38 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

I am not trying to start an argument. I am just trying to understand the why of us being left out.



I hate to say it Brenda, but it's all about the ROI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_social_statistics_of_Native_Ameri
cans


Native Americans make up 1.01% of the people currently living here.

That means, generally speaking, our lying and thieving politicians on either side don't give a shit about them.



Democrats should, at least in theory, pretend to care though. Maybe you should ask the Democrats on this board why we routinely have discussions in this country about bathrooms and other transsexual rights when they only (allegedly) account for 0.6% of the population in the States.

The only time I ever hear about Native Americans in politics is when somebody on the Democrat side is (falsely) alleging that they're being prevented from voting. Then two weeks later they stop pretending to care again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I do understand Jack that your politicians don't really care about Native Americans.

Maybe no show is better than a false show down there.

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:51 PM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


There was on article on that a few months ago.

Repressive voter-identification laws disproportionately affect Native American voters in places such as North Dakota, which enacted a law recently upheld by the Supreme Court that requires voters to show an ID with a physical street address, even though many Native Americans who live on reservations don’t have one. Many native communities have reported that distance to the nearest polling place and hours-long waits to vote become significant burdens for voters who want to cast their ballots. And elected officials haven’t given Native American voters a good reason to turn out. In Arizona, trust in local government was merely 16 percent among the indigenous people surveyed by the Native American Rights Fund.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/05/politicians-keep-ig
noring-native-american-voters-its-huge-mistake
/




I suppose most politicians are a little too busy placating their own personal fan
favorite bases as well... but I doubt there are a whole lotta Chump supporters on the Rez.

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Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


When Canada created Nunavut I was kind of awed. I don't know what you think of it, but to me it was a major recognition of the debt the national Canadian government needed to pay for its broken treaties, and a huge step to make things right. Why Canada and the US are so vastly different in basic justice and humanity - not just to the First Peoples but to everyone - I don't know.

Well, anyway, that was Canada then. I don't know about Canada now.

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Monday, February 24, 2020 12:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

I am not trying to start an argument. I am just trying to understand the why of us being left out.



I hate to say it Brenda, but it's all about the ROI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_social_statistics_of_Native_Ameri
cans


Native Americans make up 1.01% of the people currently living here.

That means, generally speaking, our lying and thieving politicians on either side don't give a shit about them.



Democrats should, at least in theory, pretend to care though. Maybe you should ask the Democrats on this board why we routinely have discussions in this country about bathrooms and other transsexual rights when they only (allegedly) account for 0.6% of the population in the States.

The only time I ever hear about Native Americans in politics is when somebody on the Democrat side is (falsely) alleging that they're being prevented from voting. Then two weeks later they stop pretending to care again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I do understand Jack that your politicians don't really care about Native Americans.

Maybe no show is better than a false show down there.




I do appreciate you not taking that the wrong way.

It's deeper than "they don't care about Native Americans" though.

They don't care about any of us, period.

There just happens to be over 60% white people, over 12% black people and over 11% Mexican people here, so they have to pretend a lot harder with everybody else.


One day, maybe we'll all wake up and realize that while they're doing a damn fine job getting us to separate each other by skin tone and gender just like they want us to, it's not doing any of us any actual good in the long run.


The only separation that matters at the end of the day is class. And as long as they divide us they remain on top.


My theory behind why they pretend so hard to give a shit about transgendered people is because they know that it easily further divides people whenever the topic is brought up, and it divides divisions even further.

Look at what it's done to the feminist movement in recent years. They're fractioning off from each other over the rights of men who decided they are women. The loudest of them on either side of the issue one step away from eating each other alive.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 24, 2020 3:42 AM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
There was on article on that a few months ago.

Repressive voter-identification laws disproportionately affect Native American voters in places such as North Dakota, which enacted a law recently upheld by the Supreme Court that requires voters to show an ID with a physical street address, even though many Native Americans who live on reservations don’t have one. Many native communities have reported that distance to the nearest polling place and hours-long waits to vote become significant burdens for voters who want to cast their ballots. And elected officials haven’t given Native American voters a good reason to turn out. In Arizona, trust in local government was merely 16 percent among the indigenous people surveyed by the Native American Rights Fund.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/05/politicians-keep-ig
noring-native-american-voters-its-huge-mistake
/




I suppose most politicians are a little too busy placating their own personal fan
favorite bases as well... but I doubt there are a whole lotta Chump supporters on the Rez.



I've heard up here about the voter suppression of Native Americans. And the reservations aren't set up like towns or cities hence the PO boxes.

Yeah.

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Monday, February 24, 2020 3:44 AM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
When Canada created Nunavut I was kind of awed. I don't know what you think of it, but to me it was a major recognition of the debt the national Canadian government needed to pay for its broken treaties, and a huge step to make things right. Why Canada and the US are so vastly different in basic justice and humanity - not just to the First Peoples but to everyone - I don't know.

Well, anyway, that was Canada then. I don't know about Canada now.




Creating Nunavut was a great thing.

I've never been able to figure that one out either Kiki.

Canada is still struggling with reconciliation with First Nations peoples.

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Monday, February 24, 2020 10:21 AM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?


Black demographic = "victimhood"
Politicians like to tell us how bad things are and how they emphathize with us and make promises for what they'll do to fix things, to 'take care" of us.

then after they have our vote and our money....results?


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Monday, February 24, 2020 11:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by OLDGUY:
Black demographic = "victimhood"
Politicians like to tell us how bad things are and how they emphathize with us and make promises for what they'll do to fix things, to 'take care" of us.

then after they have our vote and our money....results?




Results?

Quote:

I will note that my recent book Taboo: Ten Facts You Can’t Talk About makes this same point at some length, pointing out that quite a few contemporary Black problems have very little to do with slavery. For example, the Black rate of “illegitimate” out-of-wedlock childbirths was 11 percent in 1938, barely 70 years after slavery ended, but today hovers around 74 percent—and the illegitimacy rate today is approximately 35 percent for American whites. The welfare policies of the 1960s frankly have been a greater cause of this multi-colored social issue than racialized oppression 150 years ago. The same could be said of a dozen other issues, from opioid and cocaine abuse to high rates of local incarceration, which seem to bedevil our poor white countrymen roughly as much as blacks, while having little effect on West Indian immigrants who are also almost entirely descended from slaves.


https://quillette.com/2020/02/17/sorry-new-york-times-but-america-bega
n-in-1776
/



I don't even want to get into the rate of alcoholism and drug abuse among the American Indian tribes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 24, 2020 12:15 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

BRENDA: I am not trying to start an argument. I am just trying to understand the why of us being left out.

SIX: I hate to say it Brenda, but it's all about the ROI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_social_statistics_of_Native_Ameri
cans

Native Americans make up 1.01% of the people currently living here.
That means, generally speaking, our lying and thieving politicians on either side don't give a shit about them.
Democrats should, at least in theory, pretend to care though. Maybe you should ask the Democrats on this board why we routinely have discussions in this country about bathrooms and other transsexual rights when they only (allegedly) account for 0.6% of the population in the States.
The only time I ever hear about Native Americans in politics is when somebody on the Democrat side is (falsely) alleging that they're being prevented from voting. Then two weeks later they stop pretending to care again.


BRENDA: I do understand Jack that your politicians don't really care about Native Americans.
Maybe no show is better than a false show down there.


SIX: I do appreciate you not taking that the wrong way.
It's deeper than "they don't care about Native Americans" though.
They don't care about any of us, period.

'Zactly

Quote:

There just happens to be over 60% white people, over 12% black people and over 11% Mexican people here, so they have to pretend a lot harder with everybody else.
One day, maybe we'll all wake up and realize that while they're doing a damn fine job getting us to separate each other by skin tone and gender just like they want us to, it's not doing any of us any actual good in the long run.

Hear hear!

Quote:

The only separation that matters at the end of the day is class.
Indeed.
Quote:

And as long as they divide us they remain on top.
My theory behind why they pretend so hard to give a shit about transgendered people is because they know that it easily further divides people whenever the topic is brought up, and it divides divisions even further.

Yep

Quote:

Look at what it's done to the feminist movement in recent years. They're fractioning off from each other over the rights of men who decided they are women. The loudest of them on either side of the issue one step away from eating each other alive.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Absolutely.

IMHO, talking about, electioneering to, promoting "the black vote", the "womens' vote", the "brown vote", the "LGBTQX vote" is the worst sort of pandering.

How are "black" issues any different than "white" issues" How are "men's issues" any different than "women's"* (*with the glaring exception that women have babies and men don't)? How are "Native" issues any different than "LGBTQ" issues?

Don't we all basically need the same things? A safe place to live? Meaningful work at a living wage for those who can, and help for those who can't? Equality under the law, and an equal chance in the economy? A good education (one that will lead us to educating ourselves for the rest of our lives) and health care? Good food, a clean environment, and agency over our individual and collective futures?

The noise about bathrooms and reparations is just that: noise. It's people wanting to be treated ... not equally ... but BETTER THAN. Privilege. How about we just aim for a society that rewards work with an assured future, treats everyone fairly, gives everyone the same opportunities, has clean politics, respects the environment and thinks about future generations, and holds out a helping hand for those who can't work?

I've been asking - for years now- what are America's (and Americans') interests? It's not that hard to figure out. This pandering to one victim group over another ... bonus points added if you belong to more than one!!! .... is sickening.

*****

Rather than wondering why American politicians don't court the Native American vote, I think it would be better to agitate for equal voting rights and equal access.

BTW ... our county just decided to do away with a lot of polling places, and for some strange reason there are none within several miles from here. But it's very easy to vote by mail, which we did.


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