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Road Trip to Hell

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
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Sunday, April 9, 2017 12:45 PM

WISHIMAY


Okay, so Thursday I was driving home from Wally World, and we live in a rural area...

So I'm on this two lane and about to go up a hill and for setting's sake let's say it has a pretty steep grade (45 degrees) and goes up about 1800 feet. Now break it up into 3 600 feet sections(no idea how long it actually is). At the END of the second section (nearer the top) is a turn off to the left and the right.

I'm at the bottom of the hill and I look up and see a semi cresting over the top of the hill, and then slowing down, so I figure he's setting up to turn (and the turn would be from his lane into my lane and off to my right), only he doesn't do that left over-rotation that truckers do before they turn, so I figure he sees me coming and he slows to a very slow roll. I get around to the beginning of the second bit and HE STARTS TURNING IN FRONT OF ME. I see it's a HUGE DIESEL CARRIER and he's a quarter of the way in my lane!!!. I wait about a second (mainly because I am still processing what to do), and because I figure by then he HAS to see me coming (I mean, it's a big damn hill and he's had 15 seconds or so by then), and I wait for him to turn his wheels back to signal that he isn't going to turn. By then, I have no other choice but to slam on my brakes and veer in front of him to turn off to the road on my left, but at the very very last second he straightens the cab out and I swear he HITS THE GAS...

Long story short, there is nothing left of my husbands' car. The semi's final resting spot was found to be several feet OVER my side of the line. My right ankle is broken and sprained and the right side of my body is Barney the Dinosaur purple. I knew instantly my foot was broke, and I refused ambulance until my husband got there as I knew I didn't have any other traumatic injuries.. I get to small hospital (that I was born in, ironically) and they take x-rays. Then they find out it was a semi and start saying I HAVE to be transferred to a high trauma center because they were SURE my foot was an unstable fracture and would require surgery. So I get to the city hospital and they give me a Cat Scan on my upper torso (no they didn't find any cats) and then 5 hours later say it ISN'T an unstable fracture and they send me home, puking all the way.

Ironically, the only damage to the rig was a slightly dented fender.

Then the next day, our van has a "fix oil light" so hubby takes to to get checked and the main seal is leaking on the van (which I knew it was a risk being older, even though it was low miles but thought I would have at least a couple years before it blew) so now our only vehicle is leaking all over the road. It's taken me three days and a Norco just to roll in here to the computer and post, so don't be surprised if I don't answer for a while.

We have State Farm, but I don't know how all this works when you aren't the liable party. I guess I'll hear from insurance this week, but I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this type of accident... as far as what to expect next.

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 5:06 PM

JO753

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If you coud find a way to bottle bad luck, youd be in bizness!

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 5:35 PM

DREAMTROVE


It's nasty when they find cats.

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 6:04 PM

6STRINGJOKER


I could talk to my old man about his accident, but hes out of town with my brother's family, so it might be a few days. He was side swiped by a semi about 10 years ago that was so incompetent that they managed to hit him twice and totally destroy his car. Somehow he left the accident without any injuries.

My dad isn't a "sue crazy" person, but he's terribly good with money, so I don't know (or remember) the real reasons behind why he walked away from that deal feeling like he got screwed. He ended up having to buy a new car, but it wasn't entirely paid for. He had state farm. I'm not sure what the driver that hit him had. In the end he was just thankful to still be alive.

I don't imagine you're going to be doing much for a few weeks. You may want to look into getting yourself a lawyer. I wouldn't expect a huge pay day or anything, but given your family's circumstances this is beyond a crappy old car needing to be replaced and even just the cost of your medical care. I'm no lawyer but there should be some kind of "hardship" payment for you on the other side.

Don't take any consultations where they charge you upfront. If you have a good case with a likely payout on the other side there should be plenty of lawyers willing to jump on this for their cut in the end.

Good luck.

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Sunday, April 9, 2017 11:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh man, that's terrible.

Not sure of the insurance laws in your state, but usually the "at fault" insurance pays, and as a trucker he SHOULD have insurance to pay to replace your car, pay your medical bills, pay for a car rental, lost wages etc etc.

Plus if you had anything IN the car that was ruined, his insurance should pay for that too!

What will surely happen is that your car will be called a "total loss" and they will pay your the current value of you vehicle. But the trucker's insurance will try to "low-ball" the settlement, and YOUR insurance company really doesn't have any particular reason to pursue a higher amount ... it's no skin off their nose if you're left with the short end of the stick!

But you don't know what will turn up later. You may develop PTSD, for example, or your ankle may develop a bone infection that will need ongoing treatment. Plus while you heal, you may need help at home ... who will go grocery shopping for you?

Don't underestimate the damages that you might be facing.

This might help you in the right direction:

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/auto-accident/injury-claim-settle-
sue-court.html

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Monday, April 10, 2017 12:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Holy crap.

Good luck.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, April 10, 2017 1:43 PM

WISHIMAY


Hubby went to mow the lawn last night, and there was a flat tire on the mower...At this point it's gotten comical.

Not funny haha, more like funny... psychotic.

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Monday, April 10, 2017 1:44 PM

WISHIMAY



Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
If you coud find a way to bottle bad luck, youd be in bizness!




And people keep wondering WHY I'm so mad all the time!!!

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Monday, April 10, 2017 1:54 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
If you coud find a way to bottle bad luck, youd be in bizness!




And people keep wondering WHY I'm so mad all the time!!!



Not me, I don't wonder about that






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Monday, April 10, 2017 2:06 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Hubby went to mow the lawn last night, and there was a flat tire on the mower...At this point it's gotten comical.



If it's an actual flat and the tire is shot, try Great Stuff. Drill a bunch of holes in the tire and fire a few cans into it. Be sure to add water or else it won't foam up properly because it's not being exposed to a lot of air. You might be able to fix that tire for a couple bucks instead of having to buy a new one.

Remember to have plenty of newspaper around it or you're going to have a big mess on your hands.

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Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:27 PM

WISHIMAY


Six, mower tires are less than $25 here installed.

Got a call last night from my own insurance company trying to get me to say I KNEW it was turning and should have stopped. Guess a lawyer somewhere didn't want to have to work for this one... Hada drive into town and set the record straight.

Yeah, I knew it was PROBABLY turning EVENTUALLY, but most people wait until the lane is clear, I had no idea it was gonna turn in FRONT of me. Don't think he had his turn signal even ON, and he was already 99% stopped. If I'd just hit the brakes I would have crashed head-on into his cab, and I'd be a goner for sure.

I honestly think he just didn't comprehend I was that close...

I tried to wean myself off the pain killers, and found I now have crippling searing hot nerve pain, so YAY. Got a wheelchair with a leg lift, so that's better.

Also, that damn car had Takata Airbags, known for going boom in your face, and I was pleasantly surprised to find they didn't decapitate me.

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Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:17 PM

6STRINGJOKER


All of the sudden my parents purchasing dash cams for their cars doesn't sound so stupid to me.

Do yourself a favor if you get them for your own cars. Don't let anybody know you have them, even your insurance company if they offer some kind of discount for it. If it turns out that in the heat of the moment you actually were the one to make a mistake, the insurance company would expect footage proving your guilt in the accident.

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Thursday, April 13, 2017 5:53 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Not sure I entirely followed what happened but I am pretty sure that over here 99% of the time you'll be considered at fault by the insurance company if you were behind the other vehicle. Thinking is that you should be driving defensively enough and far enough away to stop under most circumstances.

If he moved into your lane turning, that's another story.

It still sucks though. Hope you're all mended soon.

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Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:08 PM

WISHIMAY


NOT behind other vehicle, I was at BOTTOM of hill, he was at TOP of hill...come on, that should've been the easy part...

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Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:15 PM

THGRRI


That's why I travel with a gun wish, so I can shoot the bastard.






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Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:22 PM

WISHIMAY


If just being an oblivious dickhead was a terminal offence, the roads WOULD be a great place, yeah.

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Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:49 PM

WISHIMAY


Went back to the scene this evening, and he DID hit the gas, looked like he was about six feet past the corner, it would have been just enough for me to squeeze through. Btw, I have raging cellulitis and am on lotsa anti-biotics...

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Monday, April 17, 2017 6:34 PM

WISHIMAY


$1300 bucks for the van fix, had several things leaking, timing cover and some such... But they did a full inspection and said just about everything else looks perfect.

Now, what truck to buy????

Also, found out my aunt has cancer this week. She makes number 9 in three generations...

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Monday, April 17, 2017 7:25 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
$1300 bucks for the van fix, had several things leaking, timing cover and some such... But they did a full inspection and said just about everything else looks perfect.

Now, what truck to buy????

Also, found out my aunt has cancer this week. She makes number 9 in three generations...



No words of wisdom wish. Just a hello.





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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:32 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Had a car fiasco today.

Went to Rockford to vizit my mom on her 86th birthday. Went to pik up my sister first and the car woudnt start. A horribly final clattering sound had me worried that the enjin had frozen up. It had been running fine all the way there, but a little hot. I wuz imajining an mysterious little wire in the starter wiring taking a week to find or the main wire connection on the starter coming loos (bad!) an overheated piston jammed agenst a broken chunk, finally ending the overextended life uv the enjin (dizaster).

Took a wile for my addled brain to consider that the low voltaj reading meant the battery wuz too weak to turn the starter. Normally, that woud be the obvious thing, but I hav an Optima battery and the voltaj wile the enjin wuz running had been 14 to 15 all the way there, so the idea that it coud be going bad already seemed unlikely.

So, just on the off chans it mite save me & my sister 50 buks cab fair, I offered a guy 10 to jump start it. It fired rite up! I wuz so happy, I gave him 20 insted.

Vizited mom at the nursing home. She'z not looking good.

Then her nurse helped jump start it agen after the vizit. I dropped my sister off at her joint and went strate to Autozone & got a new Optima battery and a voltaj regulator. Add a forhed flash lite and 291$ died az far az my wallet iz conserned.

After I got home a close look at the tag showed that the battery iz 10 yirz old! I thot it wuz only 4 or 5.

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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:32 AM

WISHIMAY


We had just replaced the battery on the vehicle we wrecked, and two of the tires...

And, the tires on the van were original, but they looked like they were in decent shape... Blew one a month ago and blew another Sunday night, two miles from home...

Have to replace the others next month, I guess.

I'm starting to hobble around, but I still have a goose egg on my knee, and can't bend it yet. Can't go to the basement to do laundry, so my kid has to do it all. This whole things is just so freaking irritating...

PS, sorry to hear about your mama.

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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:46 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Thanks. Az bad az she iz, there are many much yunger peepl there at that nursing home and lots uv peepl dont even make it to 70.


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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Today I was in the far right lane. In the lane to my left was a whole string of big rigs, as far back and as far forward as I could see.

And then I saw karma.

A big rig rear-ended another big rig.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What really troubles me are the elderly who've lost not only their minds but also their peace. My MIL and dad passed away like that- troubled and distraught in their last months, due to metastasized cancer and Parkinson's, respectively. Dad, who grew up on a primitive farm in Poland in the early 1930s, had a more realistic view of death than today. Death back then was all around them- his mom died in childbirth when he was 13, people died all the time at home, and of course they killed animals for food. They didn't used to hope for life, but for a good death - quick and merciful.

If people still smile, that is a mercy.

WISH: Thank goodness your DD is competent to help out.


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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:55 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


WISH: Thank goodness your DD is competent to help out.



She's been awfully good about it, doing all the laundry, walking the dog more, and she got straight a's on her midterms...Going to take her shopping as a reward when I can walk without a boot on.

My grandma calls me every day and sounds huffy like "When are you going to go back to taking care of ME ME ME???? I'm helpless too..."

The only relatives I have here... an aunt that has an impending open heart surgery, one with pancreatic cancer, and a cousin that works full time, and her kid that just hada baby. Hubby's family brought by a package of store bought brownies and didn't even bother coming IN, let alone helping. And they are sooo "Christian" dontcha know As least they sounded guilty when I said my kid has been doing it all without help.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:01 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:


And then I saw karma.

A big rig rear-ended another big rig.




There was a girl in chat said she'd been hit by TWO big rigs. I don't think I could get in a car again after another of these. And we've seen a couple rigs swerve in front of us and others lately. I think they drive them a lot more in spring when the weather is good, nothing like a ten ton reaver on the road....

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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:43 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Yes, good perspective Jo, live each day!



Seeing decrepit vejetablez on life support who are suffering with no chans uv recovery can make you wonder if we need to reconsider our condemnation uv less sivilized societyz. Az brutal and bloodthirsty az Vikingz, Azteks, Klingonz, Spartanz were, a kwik deth wen you can no longer swing your wepon fast enuf duznt sound so bad.

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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 12:09 PM

WISHIMAY


I agree. Speaking from this past months experience, if you can't at least roll around, you got nothing. Pissing in a bucket and having people cart that off? Not living...

So....they did a CT scan on my foot. I thought they were gonna say it's okay, so I drove myself there so hubbs can get some sleep...

There's fractures leading to fractures leading to other fractures....


One good fall and literally half my ankle would've broken off. So now they are putting me in a hard cast for a month and he said even then I may require surgery, because one of the pieces is healing slightly lower than where it came from.

THAT was on top of non-stop rainfall over the weekend, and a night of power outages. Our laundry room flooded and I couldn't do shit about it. Now I think we may have to replace the dryer. I was down there bleach mopping from a wheelchair...REALLY glad I caulked the hell out of the baseboards the last few years, I think the one dividing wall will be ok...

The E.R. bill totaled out to $21,700, btw. They charged $1000 to walk in the room and give me a $200 Velcro boot that is the wrong size, but they only had a woman's large 8-9 and I'm an 11. Just CRAZY.

This whole thing is so surreal. I've never even had an accident driving...

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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 2:36 PM

JO753

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My dad had bad anklz. It wuz frum aksidents wen he wuz yunger in the Polish Army and playing soccer. Make sure they fix it rite, otherwize youll end up with a cankle! (calf bone fuzed to ankl bone)

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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 3:31 PM

WISHIMAY


Yeah, that's what the doc says he's afraid could happen...

I wondered why I couldn't flex my foot much, even though it's been close to a month, but then if you look at my one ankle compared to the other there is still plenty of swelling...

This is gonna be a LOOONG SPRING.

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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:44 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

The E.R. bill totaled out to $21,700, btw. They charged $1000 to walk in the room and give me a $200 Velcro boot that is the wrong size, but they only had a woman's large 8-9 and I'm an 11. Just CRAZY.

This whole thing is so surreal.

There is a journalist/doctor who agrees with you that the prices are absurd in an article called “How to avoid getting ripped off at the hospital according to a doctor turned health care journalist”
www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/4/11/15210656/hospital-charges-eli
sabeth-rosenthal
Quote:

While anecdotes of the absurd, dysfunctional medical system abound these days, it can be difficult to know how best to navigate health care and avoid massive bills. That’s where Rosenthal’s new book comes in: It’s a user’s guide to the American medical system. Rosenthal documents how health care evolved from a patient care system to a multi-trillion-dollar business one perverse incentive at a time — and, importantly, what patients can do to fight back.
In that article, Elisabeth Rosenthal also writes about her new book, An American Sickness.

There is a pirated copy of the book at
https://thepiratebay.org/search/American%20Sickness/0/99/0
You will need www.utorrent.com or something equivalent to download the book.

Or there is Amazon’s #1 Best Seller in Health Insurance at
www.amazon.com/American-Sickness-Healthcare-Became-Business/dp/1594206
759
/

The book is so recent that it was published a week after your accident.

From the Epilogue of the book:
Quote:

The Fate of Empires describes an age of decadence into which all great societies — Rome, Greece, Persia, Great Britain — descend before they finally fall for good. The decadence, according to the author, Sir John Glubb, is due to a period of wealth and power, selfishness, love of money, and loss of a sense of duty. Does this sound familiar? Societies, it says, typically take over two hundred years to get to the age of decadence. American healthcare has arrived far faster.

The fathers of modern medicine — doctors and scientists like Frederick Banting, who pioneered insulin treatment; Jonas Salk, who discovered the polio vaccine; Albert Starr, who invented a lifesaving artificial heart valve; and Thomas Starzl, who fathered modern organ transplant — helped usher in a new era of scientific healing. They are the reason for medicine’s lofty reputation. But the respect they earned through their noble efforts has been squandered in the past quarter century. The treatments we get and the prices we pay are governed as much by commerce as by humanism or science. The mission of this book is to advocate for a return to a system of affordable, evidence-based, patient-centered care.

No one player created the mess that is the $3 trillion American medical system in 2017. People in every sector of medicine are feeding at the trough: insurers, hospitals, doctors, manufacturers, politicians, regulators, charities, and more. People in sectors that have nothing to do with health — banking, real estate, and tech — have also somehow found a way to extort cash from patients. They all need to change their money-chasing ways.


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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 8:46 PM

WISHIMAY


State Farm has a program where they will cover the first $25,000 of accident injuries until they get done with the liability...I think the hospital heard "hit by a semi" and their wallets got hungry. They wouldn't have charged that to a Joe Shmo, because I've seen what a recent E.R. bill looks like...

I had to call the "abrogation" department with my health insurance and notify them of the accident and that if they received any bills that they should send them to State Farm. I've never even heard the word before much less would have known to call it, and the ortho hospital said it is their "policy to double bill"....
I found out that they basically get an interest free loan if the insured doesn't KNOW they need to contact the abrogation dept, and the bills get passed onto the policyholder. Even then they don't catch one in ten bills and the ortho hospital gets off scot-free with the money.
So, basically, widespread insurance fraud perpetrated BY THE HOSPITAL.

SKIM, SCAM, SCUM....name of the game...

The local mega hospital here is building Jurassic Park style... turrets (for lack of a better word) and every time I drive past I think "I wonder how much they had to scam people to build THOSE??"

I had decided to avoid doctors and did a pretty good job of it for two years. More than anything, more than the pain or inconvenience (which is considerable), THAT is what I hate dealing with...DOCTORS...(and insurance.)

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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 10:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

SKIM, SCAM, SCUM....name of the game...
That's a great quote! May I use it sometimes?




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 10:29 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Prices are so inflated that even low-level clerks are often authorized to approve major discounts. I’ve heard from patients who’ve had bills for a $3,000 emergency visit for a broken ankle and a $25,000 hospital stay more than halved on the spot. If a hospital has to refer your payment to a debt collector, it will likely lose way more than half anyway. The comedian John Oliver purchased and forgave nearly $15 million worth of medical debt for less than $60,000 as a stunt to illustrate the excesses of the collections industry and hospitals.
www.nytimes.com/2016/06/07/arts/television/for-his-latest-trick-john-o
liver-forgives-15-million-in-medical-debt.html



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 10:37 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

The local mega hospital here is building Jurassic Park style... turrets (for lack of a better word) and every time I drive past I think "I wonder how much they had to scam people to build THOSE??"

Market economists I’ve spoken with variously refer to hospitals as “sharks” or “spending machines.” With few if any market forces to effectively curb their behavior, they raise prices as much as they can. Because most hospitals are nonprofit institutions, they have no shareholders to answer to and cannot legally show a “profit”; therefore, they spend excess income on executive compensation and building Zen gardens and marble lobbies. - Chapter 2 of An American Sickness by Elisabeth Rosenthal 2017


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, May 2, 2017 11:46 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
That's a great quote! May I use it sometimes?



Have at it

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Wednesday, May 3, 2017 12:41 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Have at it

Thanks! WishI.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:37 AM

JO753

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Wun uv the thingz I found out from my mom & dadz medical billz iz that the hospitalz, doctorz, in-home care companyz, testing labz, etc are playing a double dip game. They get the big money from medicare, but make sure the bill iz bigger than wut medicare will pay so that they can send the patient a bill also. Its wutever the market will bear + wutever the 2nd market will bear.

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Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
I agree. Speaking from this past months experience, if you can't at least roll around, you got nothing. Pissing in a bucket and having people cart that off? Not living...

So....they did a CT scan on my foot. I thought they were gonna say it's okay, so I drove myself there so hubbs can get some sleep...

There's fractures leading to fractures leading to other fractures....


One good fall and literally half my ankle would've broken off. So now they are putting me in a hard cast for a month and he said even then I may require surgery, because one of the pieces is healing slightly lower than where it came from.

THAT was on top of non-stop rainfall over the weekend, and a night of power outages. Our laundry room flooded and I couldn't do shit about it. Now I think we may have to replace the dryer. I was down there bleach mopping from a wheelchair...REALLY glad I caulked the hell out of the baseboards the last few years, I think the one dividing wall will be ok...

The E.R. bill totaled out to $21,700, btw. They charged $1000 to walk in the room and give me a $200 Velcro boot that is the wrong size, but they only had a woman's large 8-9 and I'm an 11. Just CRAZY.

This whole thing is so surreal. I've never even had an accident driving...



All I can do is feel for you from afar, but boy, do I feel for you!

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All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:29 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:

Its wutever the market will bear + wutever the 2nd market will bear.

Whatever the market will bear was considered immoral by doctors in 1970, but it has became standard business practice. Why the change? “On rotations I’ve sat and listened to dermatologists, plastic surgeons, orthopedic surgeons, neurologists and oncologists all tell me they don’t make that much money,” wrote one student from the University of California at San Francisco, one of America’s most prestigious medical schools, speaking of her “cognitive dissonance.” “There is a bizarre martyr complex that permeates medicine—people think they are working harder and longer for less money than everyone else in America.”

Doctors with their new belief they were underpaid and overworked, began rewriting their codes of ethics to correct that completely unfair mistreatment by their patients of the poor, poor doctors:

Dr. Michael Canning, a Florida general surgeon, sent me the official pledge he took when he was admitted into the American College of Surgeons in 1990. It had a couple of clauses that caught my eye (emphasis is mine):

I promise to deal with each patient as I would wish to be dealt with if I were in the patient’s position and I will set my fees commensurate with the services rendered.

I will take no part in any arrangement such as fee splitting or itinerant surgery which induces referral or treatment for reasons other than the patient’s best welfare.

It was hard to believe that some of the surgeons I’ve met would commit to such a declaration. Every doctor who is a part owner in a surgery center where he operates engages in a form of fee splitting (where a physician gets financial advantage from referrals). In 1990 the American College of Surgeons felt that it was immoral to be an itinerant surgeon—moving from place to place collecting fees for surgery but not being there for the follow-up. Today many surgeons operate at a large number of hospitals, collecting fees for the revenues they generate at each.

The current version of the American College of Surgeons pledge, adopted in 2004, has been amended to remove those pesky ethical limitations:

I promise to deal with each patient as I would wish to be dealt with if I was in the patient’s position, and I will respect the patient’s autonomy and individuality.

I will take no part in any arrangement or improper financial dealings that induce referral, treatment, or withholding of treatment for reasons other than the patient’s welfare.

Surgeons are not the only group of doctors watering down their moral commitments. The American Medical Association’s code of ethics has been similarly diluted. Through the 1960s and 1970s it said that physicians’ fees “should be commensurate with the services rendered and the patient’s ability to pay” (emphasis mine). But this latter exhortation did not survive into the 1980s.
- Chapter 3 of An American Sickness by Elisabeth Rosenthal, 2017

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:07 AM

JO753

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There are alot uv peepl getting rich by opening helth care provider biznessez. They hire doctorz, nursez, therapists and untrained workerz to run the operation. They dont need to hav any medical training themselvez. Their main idea iz to milk patient's insurans andor medicare/medicaid for az much az possible wile paying the workerz az little az possible.

Therez a regular streem uv newz reports about them getting charjed with fraud, or going out uv biz without telling the employeez who continue to work for several weeks after their paychecks fail to show up.

That happened with Sure Care, a joint that my mom wuz getting in home servis from. Her shower lady kept showing up for a month after her last paycheck!

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Wednesday, May 3, 2017 11:40 AM

WISHIMAY


I hate to interrupt a good conversation with a youtube, but...



I heard this song the day before I got hit, and it's become my daily mantra.

The lead singer of Imagine Dragons has a spinal disorder and has had to have a few surgeries to try and treat it.

Dolph Lundgren here is the embodiment of pain. At one point the singer says "I want to stop" and Dolph says "We can't" he's talking about chronic pain and the everyday dance with it, how he won't let it beat him.

It's the most meaningful piece I think I've ever heard.

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Thursday, May 4, 2017 12:26 PM

JO753

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My mom died this morning. Didnt want to say it here in a new topic, so it kinda fits in this wun kuz we were on about the helthcare system. She wuz in the hospital yesterday, then they moved her back to the nursing home next door after getting an infection under control. My sister got to vizit 1 last time.
http://www.zolkorp.com/BLoG.html

I'm going to relax all day. Do nothing but watch TV and typeblather in forumz.




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Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:22 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:


I'm going to relax all day. Do nothing but watch TV and typeblather in forumz.



I'm truly sorry for your loss. No matter who they were or how they go, it's never easy. Will there be a funeral or cremation or?

When I go, I just want a cremation, no services. The idea of a couple dozen people standing around pretending to care and just waiting to be fed makes me nauseous...

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Friday, May 5, 2017 1:17 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm sorry about your mom's passing.

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Friday, May 5, 2017 1:41 AM

JO753

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xanks.

I'd arranjed for her body to be donated to siens, but my sister hated the idea. She called momz long time Catholic church frend, who made arranjments for a burial, but I dont know if therez going to be a funeral servis.

Dying iz expensiv! Sumthing like 6,000 for a bare bonez coffin & stone and burial. It wuz 1,800 just for a cremation for my dad 4 yirz ago. No fancy urn, not even a Folgerz can!



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Friday, May 5, 2017 7:09 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Sorry about your mom.

About donating a body to medical science... is there any money in that? I'm sure you don't get paid, but is do they at least take care of the death expenses for you? I'm never going to get a life insurance policy and I'd rather not have money come out of whatever estate I have when I go to cover costs. I thought cremation was a lot cheaper than that. I was thinking maybe having my brother bury me in the woods or tie cinderblocks to my feet and dump me off a bridge, but he's got a bad back.

The freakin' "death industry" is a bigger scam than even the diamond scam industry.

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Friday, May 5, 2017 12:48 PM

JO753

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I think cremation can be less than 1,000$ if you shop around.

Yes, the siens donation organization payz all expensez & sendz the ashez uv wuteverz left back to you if you want.

I woud like my remainz to be fed to sanctuary lionz.

Better yet! To a secret cat army training organization! They woud feed the soldierz human meat to give them a taste for it!

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Friday, May 5, 2017 11:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

My mom died this morning. Didnt want to say it here in a new topic, so it kinda fits in this wun kuz we were on about the helthcare system. She wuz in the hospital yesterday, then they moved her back to the nursing home next door after getting an infection under control. My sister got to vizit 1 last time.
I'm so very sorry for you, JO. I hope her passing was peaceful.

Whether you got along well with a parent or not, when they die it leaves a big hole. Just... hugs.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.


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Saturday, May 6, 2017 10:58 AM

JO753

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xanks everybody.

It wuz a long time coming, so no big shock.

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