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Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:43 AM

MAL4PREZ


In the Trump thread there was this:

Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
SECOND, KPO and G:

Anand Giridharadas just gave a speech at TED TALKS that is going to be available Tuesday the 16th. It is an apology to many Americans who feel left behind. If I can when it airs I will post a link. I am giving a link to Morning Joe so you can see the importance of what he says. His segment is titled " If Trump loses, what happens to his message?"

Finally we hear the topic start to turn away from a movement based on racism, to a topic giving voice to the concerns of the middle class.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe

____________________________________________




I want to expand on this topic with my own thoughts, but let me start with Brexit.

Yes, this is a long-winded rant. If you aren't interested, buh-bye!! Go haunt other threads and leave this one in peace. :p

At the shallowest level I find the yes vote for Brexit to be as monumentally stupid as the rise of Drumph in the role of "Politician." (WTF?) But in the days following that Brexit vote I read the news and looked a little deeper, which gave me an empathy for Brexit and Drumph that I hadn't expected.

OK, first let's address the racist component of Brexit, the fear of immigrants. This is inexcusable and disgusting, just like Drumph's blatant racism. I do not need to investigate this side of things. It's clear enough to me how wrong it is.

(Except I must note that it is soooo ironic how Britain colonized the world for centuries but goes all drama queen freaky when people try, in a way that is orders of magnitude less obtrusive and less, for lack of a better word, dickish, to do the reverse. Britain took over the highest levels of authority in foreign lands, crushing and mangling societies around the globe. In modern times, foreign people are trying to join the most "common" levels of British society, to support the existing structure and strengthen it rather than taking it over. Some of these Brexit morons have the nerve to cry foul, to get all miss-ish about being "invaded" by foreigners who want nothing more than a day job and a place to raise their families.

*facepalm*

*smh*)

Where I look deeper is in all that talk about the impending crash of the financial markets in London and how much damage it will do. There is such panic about what would happen when the banks and markets of London lose their easy access to the Continent. Oh no!

You know what? I bet that a bunch of the people who voted for Brexit (apart from aforementioned racist assholes) aren't a part of the scheme of making money off of just having money. They don't give a shit if the London markets crash.

And why should they?

This all comes down to the ever increasing separation of classes, as does the Drumph phenomenon. Republicans, and to a lesser but not inconsequential degree Democrats, have for several decades acted in the interest of the bankers and the investors and the corporations. And themselves, of course. Our political and law-making system is corrupt at the most basic level. It does not act to serve the welfare of the People. Almost everyone knows it, even if they can't quite define it or they lay the blame differently. The powers that be exist to protect that monetary system of London and Wall Street. Anything else it does is just trying to keep the Plebs happy enough that it can retain power.

People react to this stark and ever growing imbalance differently. A lot of people just want to burn the fucking system down. Brexit might do it. President Drumph certainly would, though not in the neat way that these dumbass Drumph supporters think. He would burn it down because he's an incompetent moron with a serious personality disorder.

We who see clearly how insane Drumph is -- and yes, I am not exaggerating and I am not being sarcastic; it is demonstrably true that Drumph has serious mental health problems -- like to blame him for this madness. Or we blame the short sightedness of those who are dumb enough to support him. Or we blame the misguided policies of the Republicans who have done nothing but obstruct. (Actually, a LOT of the blame goes to that last one IMHO.)

But the problem is far deeper and more systemic, therefore harder to solve. The problem is the class warfare of "trickle-down" that can be easily traced back to shifting political winds decades ago. I won't go into this now - post long enough! - but I hold the Clintons partly responsible. This is why I would of been horrified by Hilary's rise to the presidency if there was any other reasonable candidate to stand against her. There were NONE. Not even Bernie. Sorry bern-bots. I am so very glad his voice was out there, but I would never have him be president. He isn't up to it, which became clear late in his candidacy.

Brexit showed that a majority of Brits (well, a solid number plus the racist assholes) don't care if the London markets crash. They would prefer the melt-down, so that economics and government just might start focusing on something other than the big money. The "Little People" want businesses to succeed by being useful, as in making useful things and providing a living to the local community. Business should invest in infrastructure that lasts rather than gambling on random stocks going up or down so that Daddy Big Bucks can get a bigger yacht.

The money that comes of selling a gadget should not go to the handful of schmoes who had the power to lobby the politicians to bend the rules. It should be distributed to the People who actually designed and built the gadget. That money would then get circulated back into the economy, rather than hidden away in offshore accounts and yachts and nose- and boob-jobs for the new trophy wife. Money going back into the system is healthy for everyone. But that is not how our world works right now.

My point: if we just point fingers at Drumph and his supporters, we are missing the whole heart of the problem. Inequality. The government not serving the good of the People. All the plebs of the world know that the system is broken, even if they don't know who to blame and how to fix it. That is why they turn to Drumph. That is why they turn to Brexit. That is why the most weak-minded kowtow to authority figures like Putin.

I am not suggesting I have an answer, just a rough idea of the right direction.

1. An educated public. Ironically, Drumph might help with this, since he excited an emotional reaction for months but in the past few weeks showed himself to be such an obvious trainwreck that he is making people question their initial reactions to him. (See: Reddit thread about what made former Drumph supporters change their minds. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4xe2dx/former_trump_suppor
ters_of_reddit_what_was_the
/)

2. The Supreme Court. Get money out of politics. End the election fraud of voter ID laws that aim to do nothing but suppress votes. End gerrymandering by both parties. Here is where I am super grateful to Bernie for getting the right ideas into the platform.

3. Kittens. We need more kittens. I have a kitten in my lap right now. This makes everything better.

4. Income and wealth equality. I don't know how this can happen, but it absolutely has to. Not because it's "fair", and not because I want to make more money for myself. (I actually make more than I need right now, so I'm all good.) Inequality has to change because it is *unhealthy* for society as a whole. It has led to Brexit and Drumph. It is rotting America, and many other countries besides.

Believe me, I could go on, and if this thread continues I will. But I guess that will be enough for now. :)

Addendum to sig/kik: "Ma'am, trying to having a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table, I have no interest in doing it."

The other regular posters can engage with you as they see fit. I have plenty of popcorn, I'll follow along and enjoy mightily. I may even step in to mock you now and then if your presence in this thread is what it has been in others lately. But if you continue to be incapable of dispassionate logic and reasonable discussion, falling back to name-calling and whinging when others don't agree with you, I have no interest.

Um, other than the infinitely amusing fact that you obviously fancy yourselves intellectuals (given the way you talk down to other posters) and yet...

you

support

Drumph!!!!


That will never not be funny.

Yours in earnest,
mal5prez

(Really sig? You thought "mal5prez" was a burn? Get thee back on thy meds! You've lost it girl LOL!)

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Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:06 AM

MAL4PREZ


See what I mean?




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Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:48 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Poor white Americans’ current crisis shouldn’t have caught the rest of the country as off guard as it has.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/09/the-original-underclass/4
92731/?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits


"Since 1980, the share of upper-income households living in census tracts that are majority upper-income, rather than scattered throughout more mixed-income neighborhoods, has doubled. The upper echelon has increasingly sought comfort in prosperous insularity, withdrawing its abundant social capital from communities that relied on that capital’s overflow, and consolidating it in oversaturated enclaves."

"The bitterness—the “primal scorn”—that Donald Trump has tapped into among white Americans in struggling areas is aimed not just at those of foreign extraction. It is directed toward fellow countrymen who have become foreigners of a different sort, looking down on the natives, if they bother to look at all."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

In the Trump thread there was this:

Anand Giridharadas just gave a speech at TED TALKS that is going to be available Tuesday the 16th. It is an apology to many Americans who feel left behind. If I can when it airs I will post a link. I am giving a link to Morning Joe so you can see the importance of what he says. His segment is titled " If Trump loses, what happens to his message?"

Finally we hear the topic start to turn away from a movement based on racism, to a topic giving voice to the concerns of the middle class.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe


I want to expand on this topic with my own thoughts, but let me start with Brexit.
Yes, this is a long-winded rant. If you aren't interested, buh-bye!! Go haunt other threads and leave this one in peace. :p

At the shallowest level I find the yes vote for Brexit to be as monumentally stupid as the rise of Drumph in the role of "Politician." (WTF?) But in the days following that Brexit vote I read the news and looked a little deeper, which gave me an empathy for Brexit and Drumph that I hadn't expected.

OK, first let's address the racist component of Brexit, the fear of immigrants. This is inexcusable and disgusting, just like Drumph's blatant racism. I do not need to investigate this side of things. It's clear enough to me how wrong it is.

(Except I must note that it is soooo ironic how Britain colonized the world for centuries but goes all drama queen freaky when people try, in a way that is orders of magnitude less obtrusive and less, for lack of a better word, dickish, to do the reverse. Britain took over the highest levels of authority in foreign lands, crushing and mangling societies around the globe. In modern times, foreign people are trying to join the most "common" levels of British society, to support the existing structure and strengthen it rather than taking it over. Some of these Brexit morons have the nerve to cry foul, to get all miss-ish about being "invaded" by foreigners who want nothing more than a day job and a place to raise their families.

*facepalm*
*smh*)
Where I look deeper is in all that talk about the impending crash of the financial markets in London and how much damage it will do. There is such panic about what would happen when the banks and markets of London lose their easy access to the Continent. Oh no!

You know what? I bet that a bunch of the people who voted for Brexit (apart from aforementioned racist assholes) aren't a part of the scheme of making money off of just having money. They don't give a shit if the London markets crash.

And why should they?

This all comes down to the ever increasing separation of classes, as does the Drumph phenomenon. Republicans, and to a lesser but not inconsequential degree Democrats, have for several decades acted in the interest of the bankers and the investors and the corporations. And themselves, of course. Our political and law-making system is corrupt at the most basic level. It does not act to serve the welfare of the People. Almost everyone knows it, even if they can't quite define it or they lay the blame differently. The powers that be exist to protect that monetary system of London and Wall Street. Anything else it does is just trying to keep the Plebs happy enough that it can retain power.

People react to this stark and ever growing imbalance differently. A lot of people just want to burn the fucking system down. Brexit might do it. President Drumph certainly would, though not in the neat way that these dumbass Drumph supporters think. He would burn it down because he's an incompetent moron with a serious personality disorder.

We who see clearly how insane Drumph is -- and yes, I am not exaggerating and I am not being sarcastic; it is demonstrably true that Drumph has serious mental health problems -- like to blame him for this madness. Or we blame the short sightedness of those who are dumb enough to support him. Or we blame the misguided policies of the Republicans who have done nothing but obstruct. (Actually, a LOT of the blame goes to that last one IMHO.)

But the problem is far deeper and more systemic, therefore harder to solve. The problem is the class warfare of "trickle-down" that can be easily traced back to shifting political winds decades ago. I won't go into this now - post long enough! - but I hold the Clintons partly responsible. This is why I would of been horrified by Hilary's rise to the presidency if there was any other reasonable candidate to stand against her. There were NONE. Not even Bernie. Sorry bern-bots. I am so very glad his voice was out there, but I would never have him be president. He isn't up to it, which became clear late in his candidacy.

Brexit showed that a majority of Brits (well, a solid number plus the racist assholes) don't care if the London markets crash. They would prefer the melt-down, so that economics and government just might start focusing on something other than the big money. The "Little People" want businesses to succeed by being useful, as in making useful things and providing a living to the local community. Business should invest in infrastructure that lasts rather than gambling on random stocks going up or down so that Daddy Big Bucks can get a bigger yacht.

The money that comes of selling a gadget should not go to the handful of schmoes who had the power to lobby the politicians to bend the rules. It should be distributed to the People who actually designed and built the gadget. That money would then get circulated back into the economy, rather than hidden away in offshore accounts and yachts and nose- and boob-jobs for the new trophy wife. Money going back into the system is healthy for everyone. But that is not how our world works right now.

My point: if we just point fingers at Drumph and his supporters, we are missing the whole heart of the problem. Inequality. The government not serving the good of the People. All the plebs of the world know that the system is broken, even if they don't know who to blame and how to fix it. That is why they turn to Drumph. That is why they turn to Brexit. That is why the most weak-minded kowtow to authority figures like Putin.

I am not suggesting I have an answer, just a rough idea of the right direction.

1. An educated public. Ironically, Drumph might help with this, since he excited an emotional reaction for months but in the past few weeks showed himself to be such an obvious trainwreck that he is making people question their initial reactions to him. (See: Reddit thread about what made former Drumph supporters change their minds. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4xe2dx/former_trump_suppor
ters_of_reddit_what_was_the
/)

2. The Supreme Court. Get money out of politics. End the election fraud of voter ID laws that aim to do nothing but suppress votes. End gerrymandering by both parties. Here is where I am super grateful to Bernie for getting the right ideas into the platform.

3. Kittens. We need more kittens. I have a kitten in my lap right now. This makes everything better.

4. Income and wealth equality. I don't know how this can happen, but it absolutely has to. Not because it's "fair", and not because I want to make more money for myself. (I actually make more than I need right now, so I'm all good.) Inequality has to change because it is *unhealthy* for society as a whole. It has led to Brexit and Drumph. It is rotting America, and many other countries besides.

Believe me, I could go on, and if this thread continues I will. But I guess that will be enough for now. :)

Addendum to sig/kik: "Ma'am, trying to having a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table, I have no interest in doing it."

The other regular posters can engage with you as they see fit. I have plenty of popcorn, I'll follow along and enjoy mightily. I may even step in to mock you now and then if your presence in this thread is what it has been in others lately. But if you continue to be incapable of dispassionate logic and reasonable discussion, falling back to name-calling and whinging when others don't agree with you, I have no interest.

Um, other than the infinitely amusing fact that you obviously fancy yourselves intellectuals (given the way you talk down to other posters) and yet...

you

support

Drumph!!!!


That will never not be funny.

Yours in earnest,
mal5prez

(Really sig? You thought "mal5prez" was a burn? Get thee back on thy meds! You've lost it girl LOL!)



We agree 100%, except on Trump and immigration. And Bernie. I don't support Trump because I think he will... or even can ... solve our problems. I support Trump because he has at least IDENTIFIED the problems correctly.

Saint Hillary, OTOH, is committed to the same-old-same-old. She is covering up the problem by insisting that everything is OK, it just needs some tweaking. And she'll take us deeper into the hole that we have been digging for ourselves over the past 30-40 years.

In addition, she and her supporters are such vehement, delusional neocons that they will probably incite war with Russia, or China, or both. And won't THAT be fun?!? Nuclear Armageddon- I'm looking forward to it! In that regard, Trump is probably more sane that Hillary. And that is an extremely important issue to be realistic about. We can't solve any of our other problems if we're smoking radioactive ruins.




And BTW- what a cute kitten!

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Sunday, August 14, 2016 12:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Shoo, fly.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, August 14, 2016 12:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Mal

What Signy said, except I don't support Trump. My position has always been - and still is - anybody but Hillary. And my issue with her has always been - and still is - her inability to learn from her 'successes' - Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Syria - and the fact that she's still committed to the same policies that brought them.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:20 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
"The bitterness—the “primal scorn”—that Donald Trump has tapped into among white Americans in struggling areas is aimed not just at those of foreign extraction. It is directed toward fellow countrymen who have become foreigners of a different sort, looking down on the natives, if they bother to look at all."


A-yup. And the "natives" seldom react to such circumstances in a nice, tidy way. This is what much of the GOP is just realizing. Drumph will actually damage them and their cause. He will do real, damage to even those who support him most because he has no idea how government and politics work.

And really, he's mentally deranged. At one point last summer I actually wondered if this was some set-up to get Hillary in, since he was buddies with her once and nothing short of him getting the GOP nomination would have made me a Hillary supporter. I mean, I would have plugged my nose and voted for her over any of those 16 other bumblers, but against Trump I have no doubts which way is better.

Another argument against the Trump-Hillary-in-cahoots-to-destroy-the-GOP conspiracy theory is that that much of the uneasiness about Hillary is due to decades of the GOP throwing shade at her. I don't think she's near as bad as she's been cast. We just need the Bernie side of things to keep pressuring her away from her Wall Street ties.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
It is unfathomable how they can consider themselves many things - like passionate environmentalists - and yet support 'Rump. I suppose they will dodge and say, "we don't support Trump! We're just actively NOT supporting Hillary!" At this point whatever.

Stop me if you've heard this one: As Snigs and Kikstand are now part of FFF Team Trump, it puts them shoulder to shoulder with JSF and .... wait for it... Auraptor. Gah! The laughs will never end!



Yes, you were proven right on the first point in this very thread LOL!

As to the second point, I long ago saw a connection between Sig and Rap. This board survived for years on pretty much nothing but the two of them insulting each other. They kept themselves in the center of attention and drove just about everyone else away. I don't think any of it was honest, and the way Sig has replaced him after he got scarce only supports that idea.

By the way, he got scarce right at the time I called them out on needing to get a room. Coincidence?



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Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:27 PM

MAL4PREZ


Wow thanks for the rationality sig-kik! It will come as no surprise that I disagree with you both. I hope we can continue to disagree in a reasonable way.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We agree 100%, except on Trump and immigration. And Bernie. I don't support Trump because I think he will... or even can ... solve our problems. I support Trump because he has at least IDENTIFIED the problems correctly.


How you get any kind of rational problem-identification out of Trump is a sign of nothing but Hillary-derangement syndrome. Calling her "Saint Hillary" shows your lack of effort to understand those who disagree with you.

Also it is completely mystifying how you think Hillary will bring on Armageddon but Mr. "Why-can't-I-use-nukes?" Drumph won't.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290217-scarboro
ugh-trump-asked-about-adviser-about-using-nuclear


Given your focus in other threads, I would guess that you see world peace in Drumph's leadership because it'd be hard for him to push the red button while he's on his knees in front of Putin. Am I right? ;)


Kiki - "anything but Hillary" means Trump. That is the reality at the moment. You clearly think Hillary would be worse than Trump, which makes me question your ability to observe and use logic. It's OK, I know you won't come around to seeing things my way anytime soon. That ship sailed. So here's what I propose...


I have looked for this old post of mine but can't find it. It was in the lame duck period after Obama was first elected, and the right wingers of this site were wailing and gnashing their teeth about the destruction of America to come. My post suggested something like: In 4 years or 8 years when Obama is on his way out and none of these horrible things have happened and the country is ambling along in it's usual ("usual" excluding 2001 and 2007-2008, that is!) not perfect but really A-OK state, will you admit that your doom and gloom is wrong? I'm sure I was talking to folks like RiverLove and Rappy. No response. I'd love to stir up the thread if I could find it!

Anyhow, the same challenge to you two. If Hillary wins and these is no nuclear Armageddon, will you admit you were wrong? If things actually somewhat improve in terms of income equality, personal freedoms (including *not* losing the right to own guns but gaining the right to not be randomly killed by a madman who should never gotten any where close to an assault rifle!), health care costs coming under control, environmental concerns being addressed, and international relations improving, will you fall to your knees and beg forgiveness for having been so completely wrong?

If there is a President Trump and the country survives four years with anything close to status quo, I will bow down to your wisdom. There doesn't even need to be improvement. Just a bare maintainance of the conditions we have now.

Challenge accepted?



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Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:28 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

That is a most beautiful kitty. I miss kittens.



This is how I wake up most days this summer. Seriously. My head could explode from the cuteness.



Why don't you have kittens? Allergies?


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Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:46 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


It's been like watching a Train Wrexit

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Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


MAL4, I don't have time right now for a disquisition on why Hillary scares the bejeezus out of me. So in the meantime, there's this, by Pepe Escobar.

Quote:

It all starts with a Wahhabi-Zionist lovefest.

The Saudi Foreign Ministry was forced to go on a non-denial denial overdrive about a visit to Israel on July 22 by a delegation led by retired Gen. Anwar Eshki.

Eshki happens to be close to Saudi intel superstar and onetime close Osama bin Laden pal Prince Turki bin Faisal, who recently met in the open with former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) generals Yaakov Amidror and Amos Yadlin.

While in Israel, Eshki met with Foreign Ministry Director-General Dore Gold, and Maj. Gen. Yoav Mordechai, the top IDF honcho in the West Bank.

There’s absolutely no way the House of Saud would not have given a green light for such a visit – and such high-level meetings. By the way, the Interior Ministry in Saudi Arabia bans all travel to Israel – as well as Iran and Iraq.

So what’s the big deal? The Israelis spun it as the Saudis – fronting for the Arab League — offering a normalization of ties with the Arab world without Israel abdicating from anything on the Palestinian front. The only thing Tel Aviv would have to do, much later, is to adopt the 2002, Saudi-proposed Arab peace initiative.

With the execution rate in Saudi Arabia soaring to record highs this year, the government has reportedly beheaded five foreigners convicted of murder and robbery.
© Flickr/ Yasser Abusen
Survey Says: Saudis Consider Iran a Greater Threat Than Israel, ISIL
That’s nonsense. For starters, the ultra right-wing Zionists in power in Tel Aviv will never accept reverting to the pre-1967 borders and recognizing the state of Palestine. What was “discussed” was a non-deal, even as Tel Aviv gloats, “important Arab states are willing to openly embrace us even though we have not given up one inch of the West Bank and even as we continue to control Al-Aqsa Mosque.”

If the Arab League would ever embark in such a blatant non-deal, forever throwing the Palestinians under myriad bulldozers, chances are oligarchies/petromonarchies all across the spectrum should start booking that one-way ticket to London.

That Moscow-Tehran-Ankara alliance

After the fatal terrorist shootings at an historic black church in South Carolina, President Barack Obama again cited lax gun laws as contributing to this type of mass violence.
© AP Photo/ Susan Walsh
Knock Knock Knocking on Russia’s Door: Major US Allies Turn Away From Washington on Syria
So what did they actually talk about? Predictably, the imminent prospect of the Full Spectrum Dominatrix finally taking over the White House.

Both Bibi Netanyahu in Tel Aviv and de facto House of Saud ruler and Prince of War Mohammad bin Salman in Riyadh have been reduced, under the Obama administration, to the status of proverbial, euphemistic “estranged allies”. Between them, they are de facto allies – even as they cannot admit it to the Arab street. Both are dead sure, under the Queen of War, there will be – what else – war. The question is against whom.

Informed speculation points towards the Saudi/Israeli common enemy, Iran. That’s complicated. The joint Saudi/Israeli strategy across the Middle East is indeed in tatters. Tehran has not been trapped in a quagmire neither in Syria nor in Iraq. ISIS/ISIL/Daesh and assorted “moderate rebels” – covertly supported by the Saudi/Israeli axis — are on the run, even if they insist they are not “al-Qaeda” anymore. Prince of War bin Salman is entrapped himself in an unwinnable war on Yemen.

And then there’s the spectacular post-coup pivot by Sultan Erdogan in Turkey – for all practical purposes abandoning those elaborate no-fly-zone dreams of annexing a post-Assad Syria to his neo-Ottoman set up.

The House of Saud is livid as Turkish diplomats have started to spread this blockbuster news: Erdogan has proposed to Iran’s Rouhani an all-embracing alliance with President Putin to finally solve the Middle East riddle.

Turkey Coup With T Shirt
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Shadows of UAE, Riyadh Emerge Behind Failed Coup in Turkey
Whatever erratic Erdogan’s agenda may be, a possible ice-breaking new deal between Moscow and Ankara will be discussed de facto in the upcoming Putin-Erdogan face-to-face meeting. All geopolitical signs at this stage point – albeit tentatively – towards a revived Russia/Iran/Turkey alliance, even as a horrified House of Saud is going no holds barred to gain Moscow’s trust by offering “untold wealth” and privileged access to the GCC market.

As confirmed by a top Western intel source, “the Saudis are definitely keeping all contacts open with the Kremlin. The Saudi King is in Tangiers now and has met Russian envoys there. They mean what they say. But Putin will not abandon Assad. There has to be a compromise. Both need it.”

President Putin is in a privileged spot. Even without accepting the Saudi offer – which is just a promise, with no ironclad guarantees – Russia holds the best cards, as in a quite problematic but ultimately feasible Moscow-Tehran-Ankara alliance that is all about Eurasian integration (and a future seat for Turkey, alongside Iran, in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, SCO.)

A Saudi-Moscow alliance for its part would inevitably lead a Queen of War administration towards – what else — regime change in Riyadh disguised as R2P; “responsibility to protect” the Saudi populace. One should expect Hillary crony Samantha Power to vehemently defend it at the UN.

It’s all about The Three Harpies

Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump
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Hillary Clinton Behind $400Mln Ransom to Iran for Release of 4 Citizens - Trump
Yet considering the Queen of War’s instincts, all signs do point towards Iran.

The manual/blueprint/road map for Hillary’s wars is arguably here, in this very dangerous intersection between US neocons and neoliberalcons. The CNAS think tank is led by one-third (Michele Flournoy) of what I have dubbed The Three Harpies; Hillary Clinton, Flournoy and – the most terrifying words in the English language – Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, the possible lethal trio in charge of foreign policy under a Clinton Three administration.

This is in fact PNAC (the Project for a New American Century) on steroids, with echoes of the warlike 1992 US Defense Planning Guidance disguised under the soothing rhetoric of benevolent hegemony and “rules-based international order”. If the Trump campaign managed to restrain his motormouth and/or motortweet instincts and focus on what this warmongering opus means for the US and the world at large they would strike a chord with millions of undecided US voters.

For all her bluster, and that will be elevated to unheard-of hysterical levels, the Full Spectrum Dominatrix won’t be foolish enough to launch a war – which will inevitably be nuclear – against either Russia (Baltics as a pretext) or China (South China Sea as a pretext), the Pentagon’s top two “existential threats”.

In Syria, on the other hand, by January 2017 al-Qaeda/not al-Qaeda goons formerly known as “moderate rebels” will be mostly six feet under.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan (File)
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Erdogan Wants to 'Smash NATO Secret Army' Allegedly Involved in Attempted Coup
Erdogan may be making NATO’s life in Turkey unbearable. As the Queen of War is in AIPAC’s pocket, and considering the Clinton Foundation’s by now legendary cozy ties with the House of Saud, the war target would have to be the Saudi/Israeli preferred target, on top of it pro-Damascus and in close touch with both Ankara and Moscow: Iran.

But how to pull it off? One avenue, already being explored, is to bomb by all means — and not figuratively — the Iran nuclear deal. A concerted campaign in US mainstream media is already burying the deal; and even Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei – as reported in the US – is on the record saying Washington cannot be trusted; ‘‘They tell us ‘Let’s talk about regional issues, too.’ But the experience of the nuclear deal suggests this is deadly poison and in no way can the Americans be trusted.’’

So expect from Team Clinton the proverbial media barrage of dodgy spin, baseless accusations and the occasional, perfectly positioned false flag to lure Tehran intro a trap, like, for instance, in neoliberalcon wishful thinking, Iran reviving its nuclear program. Of course this won’t happen, but a Hellfire barrage of disinformation will be used by the powerful anti-Iran lobby in the US Congress to sort of make it happen, even as an illusion.

And all this while Iran, among other development matters, is busy planning a new transportation corridor from the Persian Gulf to the Black Sea, connecting to Armenia, Georgia and Bulgaria, and positioning the nation as a key trade hub connecting the Arab world in the south and west; Central Asia in the north; and Afghanistan and Pakistan in the east, all the way to Europe. Once again, Eurasian integration on the move.

Tehran has myriad reasons to be on red alert if the Full Spectrum Dominatrix gets her hands on the nuclear codes (how’s that not scarier than Trump?) She will act as a surefire faithful servant of the Saudi/Israeli alliance. The road map is ready. And neocons and neoliberalcons alike can hardly contain their excitement at seeing in action “a force that can flex across several different mission sets and prevail.”



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Monday, August 15, 2016 12:22 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Good challenge!

Let me see: War or Being Nuked to Death. Gee, that's a tough one. Zillions of dollars spent on War machine, or being fried beyond recognition in a matter of seconds. Hmmmmm, tough choice indeed!

Which do you prefer? Me, I'm choosing option A. I'd rather keep my skin on
my body, thank you very much. Trump scares me beyond all logic. He could say,
"Fuck it, let's Nuke London. I don't like the way they banished me from ever setting foot on their soil."

It could happen!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Wow thanks for the rationality sig-kik! It will come as no surprise that I disagree with you both. I hope we can continue to disagree in a reasonable way.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We agree 100%, except on Trump and immigration. And Bernie. I don't support Trump because I think he will... or even can ... solve our problems. I support Trump because he has at least IDENTIFIED the problems correctly.


How you get any kind of rational problem-identification out of Trump is a sign of nothing but Hillary-derangement syndrome. Calling her "Saint Hillary" shows your lack of effort to understand those who disagree with you.

Also it is completely mystifying how you think Hillary will bring on Armageddon but Mr. "Why-can't-I-use-nukes?" Drumph won't.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290217-scarboro
ugh-trump-asked-about-adviser-about-using-nuclear


Given your focus in other threads, I would guess that you see world peace in Drumph's leadership because it'd be hard for him to push the red button while he's on his knees in front of Putin. Am I right? ;)


Kiki - "anything but Hillary" means Trump. That is the reality at the moment. You clearly think Hillary would be worse than Trump, which makes me question your ability to observe and use logic. It's OK, I know you won't come around to seeing things my way anytime soon. That ship sailed. So here's what I propose...


I have looked for this old post of mine but can't find it. It was in the lame duck period after Obama was first elected, and the right wingers of this site were wailing and gnashing their teeth about the destruction of America to come. My post suggested something like: In 4 years or 8 years when Obama is on his way out and none of these horrible things have happened and the country is ambling along in it's usual ("usual" excluding 2001 and 2007-2008, that is!) not perfect but really A-OK state, will you admit that your doom and gloom is wrong? I'm sure I was talking to folks like RiverLove and Rappy. No response. I'd love to stir up the thread if I could find it!

Anyhow, the same challenge to you two. If Hillary wins and these is no nuclear Armageddon, will you admit you were wrong? If things actually somewhat improve in terms of income equality, personal freedoms (including *not* losing the right to own guns but gaining the right to not be randomly killed by a madman who should never gotten any where close to an assault rifle!), health care costs coming under control, environmental concerns being addressed, and international relations improving, will you fall to your knees and beg forgiveness for having been so completely wrong?

If there is a President Trump and the country survives four years with anything close to status quo, I will bow down to your wisdom. There doesn't even need to be improvement. Just a bare maintainance of the conditions we have now.

Challenge accepted?



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Monday, August 15, 2016 12:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Boy M4P, you came back with a vengeance.

Welcome Back!


SGG

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Monday, August 15, 2016 2:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Quote:

Let me see: War or Being Nuked to Death. Gee, that's a tough one. Zillions of dollars spent on War machine, or being fried beyond recognition in a matter of seconds. Hmmmmm, tough choice indeed!

Which do you prefer? Me, I'm choosing option A. I'd rather keep my skin on my body, thank you very much.

Trump scares me beyond all logic. He could say, "Fuck it, let's Nuke London. I don't like the way they banished me from ever setting foot on their soil."

It could happen!

Actually, no. Clearly, you don't know what Trump has been saying. For your information, I placed a Youtube press conference in the Trump thread.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60557&p=11

What analysts are afraid of is that HILLARY will push her way into a nuclear war. Obama set the stage: The USA abrogated the anti-ballistic missile treaty and placed nuclear weapons right on Russia's border. Putin has every reason to be agitated: If Russia were able to foment a communist revolution in Mexico and place nuclear missiles in Mexico and Cuba, I'm sure the US President would be rightfully agitated too.

Here is a liberal take on our nuclear arms relations with Russia

Quote:

Washington and Moscow repeatedly accuse each other of violating and abrogating these treaties, while planning new and often drastic countermeasures. Russia complains that the United States withdrew from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002, becoming the first nation since World War II to exit a major arms control agreement. This move was followed by the development and deployment of the US Ballistic Missile Defense System, with elements in several countries in Eastern Europe close to Russia.

Moscow also protests NATO’s eastward expansion, with good reason. Despite the dissolution of the Soviet-era Warsaw Pact in 1991, NATO has increased its membership from 12 nations to 28, and has placed the accession of Ukraine and another former Soviet republic, Georgia, on its agenda. The United States also keeps large nuclear arsenals in several European countries, and NATO has an overwhelming superiority over Russia in conventional weapons...

... Russia denies such charges and complains that Washington has disregarded many of Russia’s concerns in recent negotiations over missile defense. Some of these concerns might be dismissed as artificial, but even in the eyes of such distinguished security experts as Keir Giles and Andrew Monaghan, “viewed from Moscow, the history of US [ballistic missile defense] development is one of inconsistency, unpredictability, and doubtful assurances.”


https://www.thenation.com/article/why-obama-should-restart-nuclear-tal
ks-with-russia
/

Here is a very cynical analysis by a military analyst (mp3)
https://solari.com/audio/sr20160609_InterviewHQ.mp3

Hillary has never met a war she didn't like. She was all down with bombing Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Her coterie of advisors are Brzezinski-style neocons (Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland, Max Boot, Madeleine Albright - who was almost as bad as Hillary as Scy State, and too many others to mention) who are even more warlike, if that's possible, than GWB's advisors.

If you don't believe me, then read these:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/20/hillary-clintons-neocon-resume/
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/25/robert-kagan-and-other-neocons-bac
k-hillary-clinton
/

And finally



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Monday, August 15, 2016 9:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


My concerns about Hillary's nuclear holocaust is based on

1) Her relentless warmongering, and
2) The nuclear envelope that is being pushed by the Democratic Party, the necon-infested State Department, and Hillary's personal advisors.

Quote:

On Sunday June 5th, Reuters headlined “Russia Says U.S. Refuses Talks on Missile Defence System”, and reported that, “The United States has refused Russian offers to discuss Washington’s missile defence programme, Russian Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov was quoted as saying on Sunday, calling the initiative ‘very dangerous’.” ...

[The] theory, of a winnable nuclear war (which in the U.S. seems to be replacing the prior theory, called “M.A.D.” for Mutually Assured Destruction) was first prominently put forth in 2006 in the prestigious U.S. journal Foreign Affairs, headlining “The Rise of Nuclear Primacy” and which advocated for a much bolder more reckless U.S. strategic policy against Russia ...

1962, when the shoe was on the other foot and the U.S. President was concerned about theThe fact that these efforts on the part of the Russian government are via public media instead of via private conversations ... suggests that Mr. Obama, unlike U.S. President John Fitzgerald Kennedy in 1962, refuses to communicate with Russia, now that the U.S. is potentially in the position of the [nuclear] aggressor.



http://thesaker.is/obama-slams-door-in-putins-face-says-if-putin-doesn
t-want-russias-retaliatory-forces-eliminated-hell-need-to-be-the-one-to-press-the-nuclear-button-first
/

Those facts have significant implications. When I get the time, I will put together an integrated disquisition about Hillary, but in the meantime take a look at the Dem's recent warmongering history.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58859


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Monday, August 15, 2016 12:26 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Moscow also protests NATO’s eastward expansion, with good reason. Despite the dissolution of the Soviet-era Warsaw Pact in 1991, NATO has increased its membership from 12 nations to 28, and has placed the accession of Ukraine and another former Soviet republic, Georgia, on its agenda. The United States also keeps large nuclear arsenals in several European countries, and NATO has an overwhelming superiority over Russia in conventional weapons...

... Russia denies such charges and complains that Washington has disregarded many of Russia’s concerns in recent negotiations over missile defense.




And again everyone, SIG taking Russia's side. Every time comrade, every time.

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Monday, August 15, 2016 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


MAL4, this is the irrationality that passes for discussion these days.

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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:14 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MAL4, this is the irrationality that passes for discussion these days.



No, it's quite rational. I've seen what you did in the Russia threads. I've also seen that just before I started this thread you were insulting me in another thread. And now you're trying to be my bud?

Please. You are so manipulative! Why would anyone bother to reason with you anymore, after what you've become? I certainly won't.

As for your treatise on the evils of Hillary, don't bother. There's already a thread for that and I have seen your arguments. You would be wasting your time repeating them here.

And I won't bother disputing your idea that the former Secretary of State who has conversed with just about every world leader is a war-monger as compared to a whiny orange toddler who openly talks about wanting to use nukes. Your idea is ridiculous, no matter what made up conspiracy nonsense you found on RT.



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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Kiki - "anything but Hillary" means Trump. That is the reality at the moment.

My state is and has always been solidly for Hillary. My vote is a 'message' vote. What kind of message do I want to send? It depends on which one will come through loudest. If Trump has any traction at all - in double digits - I'll vote for him, because nothing says 'you're a loser' to a candidate like voting for an opponent. And to the infinitesimally small amount I can add to that message and make it more viable, I will. But if either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson have more traction, I'll vote that way. In that case my message is 'dems - you COULD have had my vote, but I couldn't stomach your candidate'. The hope is that if dems see their support slipping off to other similar parties, they'll take note.

You clearly think Hillary would be worse than Trump, which makes me question your ability to observe and use logic.

I observe that Hillary voted for the Iraq war. And failed to learn that simply destroying a stable government just because you don't like it, without being able to stabilize the aftermath, simply means you'll create a nest of terrorists. And so she did more of the same with Libya, and yup, got the same result as Iraq; and Ukraine, and created a failed state; and Syria, and yup got the same result as Iraq. The only thing rescuing Syria from being another Libya are Russia and Iran.
And she failed to learn from Afghanistan that there's no such thing as a friendly terrorist group you can turn on - and off - at command.
And with her provocative approach to Russia, she's failed to heed Putin's words that, if threatened, Russia will use nukes. If I took the time I could find the quote, but not only did he promise to use nukes, he said that, unlike WWII, the US wouldn't be allowed to sit safely and undamaged out of the fray.
I find that a threat to take seriously. But not Hillary. NOPE. She continues undaunted, with no apparent goal OR STOPPING POINT.
THAT'S HER UNDENIABLE HISTORY which I've observed.
And which policies she reiterates in the draft platform.
LOGIC tells me that if that's her history, and if she says she'll stay the course into the future, then there's a good chance it'll happen. And we'll see its outcome.
I've also made that case that just because Hillary is president, it doesn't mean her agenda will go forward. Because the only things that will are the things on which she can get agreement from the republican Congress, which are trade agreements, and war-mongering (including her stance on Israel and Russia).

If Hillary wins and these is no nuclear Armageddon

It depends on why not. If we're rescued from nuclear Armageddon by some third factor swooping in deus ex machina style, then no, it doesn't count for Hillary, her administration, or the democratic party.




I've ALSO made the case that just because Trump is president, it doesn't mean he'll 'push the button' in a fit of pique, because there are safeguards against a rogue president.

If there is a President Trump and the country survives four years with anything close to status quo

And it doesn't mean his agenda will necessarily go forward either, since republicans don't have a filibuster-proof majority in the senate.
But that does depend on senate democrats doing right by their constituency. How confident are you that they will? If you're not, then there's a deeper rot in the party than just Hillary.




And I certainly HOPE we can discuss this rationally - which means you address my points - ALL OF THEM - with facts and logic - as I have addressed yours.

ETA: but given your following post I'm not going to hold my breath. Because clearly, you don't pay attention to what's being posted by either of us. Instead you prefer to argue against what OTHER people SAY we say.

"G"
First, like she's the only one involved in making decisions - bupkis.
Second, we're really calling Ukraine, Libya "wars?"
"Mal"
Indeed indeed to all of this!


Obviously you failed to read, understand, or honestly address Signy's posts about the neocon deep bench in the State Department and the CIA (which ran illegal training and arming in Syria without congressional oversight).
And when our military, State Department and CIA are involved I don't think we need to be too technical about what we call it. After all, Congress never passed a declaration of war against Iraq.

Like I said, I'm not holding my breath. You've already failed in the facts, logic, and most important, honesty departments.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:15 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
What does concern me a little is seeing the Harpies plant the "nuclear holocaust" seed. I've seen this before from them, where they offer up some dark concern or danger concept so they can blame some later behavior on it, "I told you *blank* was evil!" I feel like it's A) a desperate, weak, obvious attempt to chill any Hillary supporters, and B) an opportunity to blame Hillary later for something Putin might do should he choose to. Here's the real reveal: no one on this planet that is sane (Sorry Donnie! Putin?) believes there's any benefit to a nuclear engagement of any kind. AND DEFINITELY not the US. We have too much to gain from a healthy planet and healthy relations. We're all better off when we all get along. This is known. So called "Hillary's Wars?" First, like she's the only one involved in making decisions - bupkis. Second, we're really calling Ukraine, Libya "wars?"

I think the twins need to brush up on their Hamlet.



Indeed indeed to all of this!


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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:22 PM

MAL4PREZ


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/tea-party-pacs-ideas-de
ath-214164


An article written by someone who worked for a PAC backing the Tea Party. Some tidbits:

Quote:



How We Killed the Tea Party

Greedy super PACs drained the movement with endless pleas for money to support “conservative” candidates—while instead using the money to enrich themselves. I should know. I worked for one of them.

What began as an organic, policy-driven grass-roots movement was drained of its vitality and resources by national political action committees that dunned the movement’s true believers endlessly for money to support its candidates and causes. The PACs used that money first to enrich themselves and their vendors and then deployed most of the rest to search for more “prospects.”

...

I was an employee at one of the firms that ran these operations. But nothing that follows is proprietary or gleaned directly from my employment. The evidence of the scheming is all there in the public record, available for anyone willing to look.

...

One active solicitor is the Tea Party Leadership Fund, which received $6.7 million from 2013 to mid-2015, overwhelmingly from small donors. A typical solicitation from the TPLF read: “Your immediate contribution could be the most important financial investment you will make to help return America to greatness.” But, according to an investigation by POLITICO, 87 percent of that “investment” went to overhead; only $910,000 of the $6.7 million raised was used to support political candidates. If the prospect signs a “petition,” typically a solicitation of his or her personal information is recorded and a new screen immediately appears asking for money. Vendors pass the information around in “list swaps” and “revenue shares” ad infinitum.

...

In 2014, the Tea Party Patriots group spent just 10 percent of the $14.4 million it collected actually supporting candidates, with the rest going to consultants and vendors and Martin’s hefty salary of $15,000 per month; in all, she makes an estimated $450,000 a year from her Tea Party-related ventures.

....

POLITICO last year reviewed the activity of 33 conservative PACs for the 2014 cycle. Combined, they raked in $43 million dollars, according to the POLITICO report. Of that, $39.5 million went to overhead including $6 million to entities owned by PAC operators; candidates got $3 million. Another report analyzed 17 conservative PACs from the 2014 midterm. It came up with different numbers than POLITICO, finding that the bottom 10 PACs in terms of the ratio of spending to actual candidate support received $54,318,498 and spent only $3,621,896 supporting candidates.

And who is Constitutional Rights’ treasurer? My old boss Dan Backer. Backer also serves as treasurer to TPLF, and many others. An analysis found 10 conservative PACs whose treasurer was Scott MacKenzie spent 92 percent of the $17.5 million they raised on operating expenses, and less than 1 percent on candidate support.

PACs are not legally obliged to responsibly spend their loot. As former FEC enforcement officer Kenneth Gross stated, “If I have a PAC and want to spend it on a trip to Atlantic City, that’s fine,” provided it’s accurately reported. Unlike nonprofits they are not governed by a board, have no fiduciary duty to their donors and are not subject to IRS audits.





Tea Partiers were rubes, and now they're being conned again! I look forward to seeing the true financials of the Trump campaign. Really wish to see his tax returns, although there is no way he will willingly release them

Also funny: this makes one wonder about those IRS investigations. Maybe the IRS had good reason to look at these organizations--later in the article one PAC is court ordered to quit using a politician's name, since they never gave him the money. So at least part of this was illegal.

And maybe the TP rubes wouldn't get ripped off if they let the government do its work.


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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Here's the real reveal: no one on this planet that is sane (Sorry Donnie! Putin?) believes there's any benefit to a nuclear engagement of any kind. AND DEFINITELY not the US. We have too much to gain from a healthy planet and healthy relations. We're all better off when we all get along
Which is exactly what Trump has been saying all along. Hillary? Not so much. She and her staff have been accusing Trump of being "pro-Russian" for saying exactly what you said.

Apparently you don't feel the need to address the USA abrogation of the ABM treaty nor the forward positioning of nuclear missiles on Russia's borders, which puts their nuclear missiles on hair-trigger. Because all of that, apparently, is somehow irrelevant to the potential of nuclear war. I guess you feel confident that Russia will back down forever.




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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:37 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I observe that Hillary voted for the Iraq war. And failed to learn ...



Nope. LIE! Hillary admitted her mistake.

Trump also supported the Iraq war. And now he lies about it. Clearly you prefer this response. Hmmm....

But whatever. This thread is not a point for point debate about why you/sig hate Hillary. That has been done in other threads. In fact, every damned thread you enter goes there LOL!

Going point for point with you two leads no where, as there is ample evidence. You manipulate, you lie, you mislead, then you namecall. I'm not doing that dance with you, sorry. Not sorry. :p

Except one thing - you claim you addressed my post (though there certainly were no facts or logic in your reply, just more misleading biased conjecture) but you neglected this:

Quote:

Challenge accepted?


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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Apparently you don't feel the need to address the USA abrogation of the ABM treaty nor the forward positioning of nuclear missiles on Russia's borders, which puts their nuclear missiles on hair-trigger. Because all of that, apparently, is somehow irrelevant to the potential of nuclear war. I guess you feel confident that Russia will back down forever.




Always pushing Russia's agenda. Hey comrade, if you think the rest of us haven't noticed that no one in these threads agrees with you or 1kiki, well we have.

Move on comrade, you get nothing but push back here.

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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Apparently you don't feel the need to address the USA abrogation of the ABM treaty nor the forward positioning of nuclear missiles on Russia's borders, which puts their nuclear missiles on hair-trigger. Because all of that, apparently, is somehow irrelevant to the potential of nuclear war. I guess you feel confident that Russia will back down forever.




Always pushing Russia's agenda. Hey comrade, if you think the rest of us haven't noticed that no one in these threads agrees with you or 1kiki, well we have.

Move on comrade, you get nothing but push back here.

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Even less than that! I was not coy - this thread is for my rant. I said right off - you don't like it, go back to your other threads. sigkik won't be turning this into another HILLARY IS THE DEVIL RUSSIA TOLD ME SO tail chase.

My lord, they are so transparent! And yes, they are so Rappy Lol!

So, a reporter tweeted, regarding the Manafort/Ukraine bombshell, that more is coming later this week....


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Monday, August 15, 2016 3:59 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Nope. LIE! Hillary admitted her mistake.
Hillary says a lot of things. I said she failed to LEARN - which means, to understand what went wrong. This is what I posted "failed to learn that simply destroying a stable government just because you don't like it, without being able to stabilize the aftermath, simply means you'll create a nest of terrorists."
And how do I know she failed to learn? Because she and/ or her cohorts, went and did the exact same thing in Libya, Syria, and Ukraine.
She also demonstrably - verbally, on the record - failed to learn from Libya. Instead of recognizing that it was a stable country without a significant terrorist presence - that is, until the US helped its destruction along - she says it's an 'evolving situation'. Any reasonable person would recognize that it's a failure.

But whatever. This thread is not a point for point debate about why you/sig hate Hillary. Going point for point with you two leads no where ...
So you DON'T want facts and logic! GOT IT!
How about we go straight to unsupported assertions, snark and name-calling? I take it that's more geared toward your level?

In any case, this is all the incoherent slagging I have time for today. See you later. Maybe we can do this again. Or hopefully, we can get on with reasoned discussion.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 15, 2016 4:04 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow, SECOND... er, I mean MAL4 .... you started out normal and then went sideways.

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Monday, August 15, 2016 4:19 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, SECOND... er, I mean MAL4 .... you started out normal and then went sideways.


Predictably, you ignored the deal. You attempted to take over the thread with your usual nonsense, making yourself the center of attention that you so crave to be. When that failed you attacked. As I said, I don't dance that dance.

Keep it simple. Nothing you post will change my mind. Nothing I post will change yours. So how about it - we let reality decide. We meet again in four years, see how the world has or has not changed.

Yes comrade?



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Monday, August 15, 2016 4:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Apparently you don't feel the need to address the USA abrogation of the ABM treaty nor the forward positioning of nuclear missiles on Russia's borders, which puts their nuclear missiles on hair-trigger. Because all of that, apparently, is somehow irrelevant to the potential of nuclear war. I guess you feel confident that Russia will back down forever.




Always pushing Russia's agenda. Hey comrade, if you think the rest of us haven't noticed that no one in these threads agrees with you or 1kiki, well we have.

Move on comrade, you get nothing but push back here.

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Even less than that! I was not coy - this thread is for my rant. I said right off - you don't like it, go back to your other threads. sigkik won't be turning this into another HILLARY IS THE DEVIL RUSSIA TOLD ME SO tail chase.

My lord, they are so transparent! And yes, they are so Rappy Lol!

So, a reporter tweeted, regarding the Manafort/Ukraine bombshell, that more is coming later this week....


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I'm sorry, you quoted me so who exactly is your message directed at?

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Monday, August 15, 2016 4:26 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Apparently you don't feel the need to address the USA abrogation of the ABM treaty nor the forward positioning of nuclear missiles on Russia's borders, which puts their nuclear missiles on hair-trigger. Because all of that, apparently, is somehow irrelevant to the potential of nuclear war. I guess you feel confident that Russia will back down forever.




Always pushing Russia's agenda. Hey comrade, if you think the rest of us haven't noticed that no one in these threads agrees with you or 1kiki, well we have.

Move on comrade, you get nothing but push back here.

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Even less than that! I was not coy - this thread is for my rant. I said right off - you don't like it, go back to your other threads. sigkik won't be turning this into another HILLARY IS THE DEVIL RUSSIA TOLD ME SO tail chase.

My lord, they are so transparent! And yes, they are so Rappy Lol!

So, a reporter tweeted, regarding the Manafort/Ukraine bombshell, that more is coming later this week....


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I'm sorry, you quoted me so who exactly is your message directed at?

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Yeah sorry, that was unclear. I meant sigkik will get even less than push back from me, and the rest of my post was to them.



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Monday, August 15, 2016 4:29 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Apparently you don't feel the need to address the USA abrogation of the ABM treaty nor the forward positioning of nuclear missiles on Russia's borders, which puts their nuclear missiles on hair-trigger. Because all of that, apparently, is somehow irrelevant to the potential of nuclear war. I guess you feel confident that Russia will back down forever.




Always pushing Russia's agenda. Hey comrade, if you think the rest of us haven't noticed that no one in these threads agrees with you or 1kiki, well we have.

Move on comrade, you get nothing but push back here.

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Even less than that! I was not coy - this thread is for my rant. I said right off - you don't like it, go back to your other threads. sigkik won't be turning this into another HILLARY IS THE DEVIL RUSSIA TOLD ME SO tail chase.

My lord, they are so transparent! And yes, they are so Rappy Lol!

So, a reporter tweeted, regarding the Manafort/Ukraine bombshell, that more is coming later this week....


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I'm sorry, you quoted me so who exactly is your message directed at?

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Yeah sorry, that was unclear. I meant sigkik will get even less than push back from me, and the rest of my post was to them.



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Thank you for clarifying. At first I was like yea! I then immediately went to wait a minute. lol

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Monday, August 15, 2016 5:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Predictably, you ignored the deal.

You mean this one?

But if you continue to be incapable of dispassionate logic and reasonable discussion, falling back to name-calling and whinging when others don't agree with you ..."

Well, apparently you're not up for facts, logic and reason, either. In fact, when presented with them you posted This thread is not a point for point debate, because, apparently, you don't like point for point facts. And you reverted to name-calling and whinging when others don't agree with you ... As in Going point for point with you two leads no where, as there is ample evidence. You manipulate, you lie, you mislead, then you namecall.
Yes, that's your excuse for failing to address my posts in a reasonable, fact-based, honest way.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, August 15, 2016 6:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Predictably, you ignored the deal. You attempted to take over the thread with your usual nonsense, making yourself the center of attention that you so crave to be.
If you had focused on the issues ... yanno, paid attention to the facts I brought to the thread, I wouldn't personally be "the center of attention".

Because, trust me, I'm not trying to be the focus of your snark and derision!

I would much rather that attention be focused on the facts at hand: That we would be able to look at some event dispassionately and in common, and discuss on the basis of reason and evidence whether or not it was adequately and honestly portrayed, and what it might mean for our collective future, if anything.

Doesn't that sound like a better alternative than name-calling and whinging?



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Monday, August 15, 2016 9:54 PM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Predictably, you ignored the deal. You attempted to take over the thread with your usual nonsense, making yourself the center of attention that you so crave to be.
If you had focused on the issues ... yanno, paid attention to the facts I brought to the thread, I wouldn't personally be "the center of attention".

Because, trust me, I'm not trying to be the focus of your snark and derision!

I would much rather that attention be focused on the facts at hand: That we would be able to look at some event dispassionately and in common, and discuss on the basis of reason and evidence whether or not it was adequately and honestly portrayed, and what it might mean for our collective future, if anything.

Doesn't that sound like a better alternative than name-calling and whinging?



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And sigkik is too cowardly to agree to the deal to let reality rule.

Is anyone surprised?


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Monday, August 15, 2016 11:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Gosh, I'm so sorry you can't read!

I thought I addressed it.



Mal
If Hillary wins and these is no nuclear Armageddon
kiki
It depends on why not. If we're rescued from nuclear Armageddon by some third factor swooping in deus ex machina style, then no, it doesn't count for Hillary, her administration, or the democratic party.


Mal
If there is a President Trump and the country survives four years with anything close to status quo
Kiki
And it doesn't mean his agenda will necessarily go forward either, since republicans don't have a filibuster-proof majority in the senate.
But that does depend on senate democrats doing right by their constituency. How confident are you that they will? If you're not, then there's a deeper rot in the party than just Hillary.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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And sigkik is too cowardly to agree to the deal to let reality rule.- MAL4


What "deal" is that?

To tell you the truth, I didn't even read your posts. I did alt+edit+find for "deal" and didn't see any "deal" in your posts. So to keep me from having to wade thru your posts, can you please re-state what "deal" this is?


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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I've seen what you did in the Russia threads. I've also seen that just before I started this thread you were insulting me in another thread. And now you're trying to be my bud?-MAL4
I got as far as this. After that, I stopped reading because MAL4 just started posting nastiness. Why should I read further?

As for that "deal" that she said she offered... I'm still waiting for an explanation about what that is supposed to be. I mean, if she's going to insult me over it, she should at least explain what the point of the insult is.



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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:23 AM

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Donald Trump's once-masterful "attention at any cost" strategy has turned into a disaster
Updated by Matthew Yglesias on August 16, 2016, 9:00 a.m.
www.vox.com/2016/8/16/12484408/trump-media-feud


The goal of complaining about media bias is, normally, to make journalists second-guess themselves and start bending over backward to be more fair in the future. Trump’s habit of portraying himself as genuinely hostile to the principles of American press freedom tend to accomplish the opposite, emboldening skeptical reporters to see negative coverage as a patriotic duty.

Trump’s only hope for turning the ship around is to do exactly what he’s been refusing to do the entire campaign — pivot, and start running a lower-key, more disciplined, less egomaniacal campaign that’s less about his grudges and attention-seeking behavior and more about focus-grouped slams on Clinton. The hundreds of Republican Party elected officials around the country who have their fates partially yoked to his have been urging such a move for months, and it’s always possible in theory that it would happen.

But Trump has been playing the attention-seeking game for decades now, and so far his response to its inefficacy in a general election has been more thrashing. Counting on the leopard to change his spots would be a serious mistake.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Trump’s only hope for turning the ship around is to do exactly what he’s been refusing to do the entire campaign — pivot, and start running a lower-key, more disciplined, less egomaniacal campaign that’s less about his grudges and attention-seeking behavior and more about focus-grouped slams on Clinton.
I have actually listened to Trumps speeches. Have you?

I just half-listened to his economic policy speech, and despite the fact that it was disrupted about a dozen times by freedom-of-speech-loving-liberals, Trump did not respond in any way. I listened to his press conference in FLA. He just gave a speech a few days ago, which I heard parts of.

Only someone who has not actually listened to his speeches would characterize his campaign as you have.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I have actually listened to Trumps speeches. Have you?

Only someone who has not actually listened to his speeches would characterize his campaign as you have.

I have listened to Trump's speeches. Only someone who has not understood what Trump said would characterize his campaign as you have. Do you "feel" about Trump rather than "think" about Trump's policies?

Throughout the campaign, Trump has indicated that as president, one of his top priorities will be to make it easier to stifle media criticism of himself:

Trump has vowed to "open up the libel laws" to make it easier to deploy litigation and threats of litigation to silence criticism.
www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866

Trump vowed to use the president's regulatory authority to damage the business interests of investors in media companies that criticize him.
www.vox.com/2016/5/13/11669850/donald-trump-threatens-amazon

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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


As I have pointed out .... over and over and over ... there are only a few things President can accomplish internally. A President's greatest authority is as Commander in Chief, instigator of "deals" (trade deals like the TPP, foreign policy deals like with Iran, climate change, and others) and destroyer of nations. And right now, my most pressing concern has been the USA foreign policy of destroying or destabilizing nations left and right, and the so-called "free" trade deals (TTP, TTIP) - policies which Hillary, as President, would continue or even exacerbate. I guess you could say I'm a nationalist and Hillary is not.

Fractional reserve banking is probably the highest on my list, but NOBODY is going to tackle that one! Climate change is also one of my top priorities, and that is one place where Trump and I part ways.

Illegal immigrants are further down, but they are a grating presence. How can anyone say they respect the laws of the USA if the first thing they do is break the law in order to work here?

And there's one thing you can say about me: I didn't come up with these concerns because of Trump's campaign. I have been posting about them over and over for -literally- years.

So Hillary's history hits very negatively on my very top priorities. And all of the internal stuff she promises will never be accomplished. Things like gay rights ... it goes without saying that everyone should get a fair shot at everything. But if we make fewer foreign enemies (and avoid nuclear holocaust) and get better paying jobs, that benefits everyone- men and women, old and young, straight and otherwise, white and otherwise, religious or not, highly-educated or not so much.


In reality, I'll probably vote for either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. There are many places where his goals and my goals don't jibe. But if he stands a chance at winning, then I'll vote for him. It depends where he is, poll-wise, in my state on election day.


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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:50 AM

SIGNYM

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Kind of like having a thread exiled to Troll Country.
Haken created this forum for real world events discussion, not as a place for people to gang up on someone and treat them to an endless barrage of name-calling. When he looked at the thread, in HIS estimation is was trolling. So you should take a lesson from that: Don't be a troll.

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Originally posted by G:

Kind of like having a thread exiled to Troll Country.




Awesome! What thread was this?


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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:44 PM

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Kind of like having a thread exiled to Troll Country.
Haken created this forum for real world events discussion, not as a place for people to gang up on someone and treat them to an endless barrage of name-calling. When he looked at the thread, in HIS estimation is was trolling. So you should take a lesson from that: Don't be a troll.




Your problem SIG is that I don’t hide from what I am doing when I post in the real-world thread; you do. I mostly post to unmask you so others can see you for the phony that you are. I do this because you are one dimensional. There is a years’ worth of posts here where we can see you sham outrage over certain behaviors, and when those behaviors lead to terrible events. Then excuse or deny those very same behaviors completely when it comes to others, who are, many times perpetrating worse actions and deeds.

You corrupt the real world thread when you post. Come clean and the honest discussion you claim to want will be forthcoming to you. You see the rest of us are already having those discussions.


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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:49 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Kind of like having a thread exiled to Troll Country.
Haken created this forum for real world events discussion, not as a place for people to gang up on someone and treat them to an endless barrage of name-calling.



Something you and Kiki have done to "THUGR" and "GSTRING" and "KRAPO" - so that's another one of your lies. Should I list all of your insults?

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When he looked at the thread, in HIS estimation is was trolling. So you should take a lesson from that: Don't be a troll.



I'm thinking he showed you favor for your years of posting and wanted to be done with you quickly.

RWED used to a wonderful oasis for free speech. That's what made it so unique and so special (along with the posters). Now it's run to daddy when your feelings are hurt or you can't get your way and threaten to do it again.



We have been dealing with SIG and 1kiki's lies for god knows how long now. You much longer than me. What's my point?

SIG is full of shit. Until I learn otherwise I will believe her story of speaking with Haken, and his so called response is nothing more than a fabricated story.

Her next move would be to fabricate an email of sorts except now she knows I am waiting for it.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:38 PM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
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Originally posted by G:

Kind of like having a thread exiled to Troll Country.




Awesome! What thread was this?



It's a good one, as I said in the thread, might be her spazzed-out Trolling Opus.

I offered an article about ... Russian Trolls, because it is a real thing, and she went bonkers.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60719

Highlights:

...




Holy shit you hit a nerve lol. Wow. Who knew that sig really is a Russian troll. Makes sense. No wonder her posts are so long and repetitive. She must get paid by the word lol.

You think she got it sent to troll land on purpose? I mean, that article describes her and kik to a T. She certainly must not want posters to see it.




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Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:03 PM

MAL4PREZ


Ok, now that I've looked at it...

What I love about that thread is how there was never a moment of sigkik replying: "hmm. Russian trolls. How strange! What might me behind such strange news?"

Nope. Sig's response from the get go was FUCK YOU FUCK YOU. She took the OP to be an accusation of herself as if she she knew it should be. That's quite telling. She assumed it was an accusation of her because she know she should be accused.

The sad thing: she's not even a good troll. Too transparent. Perhaps that is why she's stuck posting at this quiet small world of a website for fractions of a penny pe
r word. She's not up to handling higher traffic sites.


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Wednesday, August 17, 2016 10:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Wow. Who knew that sig really is a Russian troll.
Yup, that's me! A real Manchurian candidate! It was so clever of Putin to put me on this board in 2002, don't you think?

HAHAHAHA!

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2016 11:41 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Wow. Who knew that sig really is a Russian troll.
Yup, that's me! A real Manchurian candidate! It was so clever of Putin to put me on this board in 2002, don't you think?

HAHAHAHA!




I will repost why it is obvious you are a Russian Toll because you never acknowledged this post. And realize we are not so stupid that we believe you have to have more than Russian sympathies to post like a troll on their behalf.

It is because you keep defending every thing Russia does. And it doesn't matter how bad it is. If you were American as you claim, there's no way you would do that. It's like the Russian professor says and I quote “You don’t understand. We’re Russians, we will never admit guilt to outsiders, especially to Americans. Even if we know we’re guilty.”

Yet you and 1kiki constantly bash America while defending Russia. No American would ever do that. It's a dead give away. Simply to most but apparently way over your head comrade.

As I have said many times. You two ain't that bright. You think you are but all you do is cut and paste. Most times your comments don't support what you have pasted. This is why your arguments get picked apart and destroyed by the other posters here. Again simple, you are dishonest, a troll, and easy to expose as such.




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Wednesday, August 17, 2016 1:00 PM

MAL4PREZ


And the Trump campaign has yet another spasm. I won't bother with links, since it's all over the news.

I think the funniest part is that it was announced at like 3:30 in the morning. Poor wittle Drumph was up all night having a temper tantrum LOL! Not surprisingly, he blames his falling poll numbers on his staff. Apparently, if he had just spent the last few weeks really being himself, rather than pivoting and being all PC and teleprompter and all that, he'd be just fine!

So now's in bed with Ailes and the guy from Breitbert. Not just Breitbert, but a history with Goldman Sachs. And yet Trumpsters get all over Hillary for connections to big banks. *smh*

If this election were a novel, I wouldn't believe a bit of it. Too contrived and silly!


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