REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Do Supreme Court Justices have First Amendment rights?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 04:29
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 1552
PAGE 1 of 1

Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Commentary: Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s slam of Trump does the nation no favors

Quote:

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s transparency has long been one of her most admirable traits. The U.S. Supreme Court is a particularly opaque institution, and Ginsburg has been a leader in trying to make the court less so.

With her repeated public criticisms of presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump, however, she has gone too far.

Ginsburg might have increased the chances of a constitutional crisis -- should we ever be in the unfortunate situation of another Bush v. Gore-style election contest wending its way to the Supreme Court.

On top of this, it’s probably too late for her to do anything about it.

Ginsburg’s commitment to transparency is well known. A few years ago, when I pointed out a small error in an opinion related to the legality of Texas’ voter identification law, Ginsburg not only corrected it but released a statement explaining she had done so. Up to that point, the court made changes to opinions without any public announcement. Which could lead to more than a few surprises. (After criticism, the court has officially changed its policy and now announces changes in its opinions after publication.)

Ginsburg also has been more open than other justices when expressing her opinions about the court and its work. A few years ago, she told Adam Liptak of the New York Times that she viewed the conservative majority on the court as activist. When the court was later considering the constitutionality of bans on same-sex marriage, she predicted that if the justices decided to overturn the bans, the public would come to accept it.

She has also repeatedly criticized court opinions from which she dissented. She just did this again with the 2010 Citizens United decision, which freed corporations, special interests and labor unions to contribute unlimited amounts to support individual candidates.

But this time Ginsburg has done something that appears unprecedented: She has given at least three interviews (to the Associated Press, the New York Times and CNN) in which she criticized a presidential candidate in the midst of a presidential election.

She has publicly said that Trump is bad for the country and essentially joked that she would move to New Zealand if he were elected. When given the chance by Joan Biskupic, editor in charge for legal affairs at Reuters and legal analyst for CNN, to back down from her comments, Ginsburg doubled down and called Trump a “faker.”

This led Trump to tweet that the justice is a “disgrace” who should step down. He also spoke with the New York Times in his effort to rebuke her.

Some observers, such as my dean, Erwin Chemerinsky, have defended Ginsburg’s right to speak her mind on political issues. Others have stated that Trump is a uniquely dangerous candidate for American democracy -- and desperate times call for desperate measures.

The First Amendment argument misses the point. It is not about what Ginsburg might say, but what the consequences of her speech are for the Supreme Court and for American democracy.

It is certainly possible that litigation involving the Trump campaign will make it to the Supreme Court on an emergency basis before the election. After all, the rates of election-related lawsuits have more than doubled in the period since the disputed 2000 election. Every election since has seen emergency litigation over election rules get to the court.

Indeed, if we are extremely unlucky, we could be involved in a “Clinton v. Trump” post-election litigation, in which the court’s decision could help determine the outcome of the presidential race.

It would be bad enough for the court to have to wade into another election dispute, this time (unlike during Bush v. Gore) when all the conservatives on the court have been appointed by Republican presidents and all the liberals on the court by Democratic presidents.

It is even worse that the court is divided 4-4 along partisan and ideological lines. This looks likely to continue into the coming term, with the death of Justice Antonin Scalia and the Republican-controlled Senate refusing to consider Judge Merrick Garland to replace him.

A 4-4 tie would leave a lower-court decision, whatever it might be, in place.

In the event that such a case makes it to the Supreme Court, however, there would likely be loud calls from the right for Ginsburg to recuse herself from considering the case. The justices, unlike other judges, are not bound by any formal code of legal ethics, though if they were, making a statement about how an upcoming election should be resolved would be grounds for sanction.

The question is: Given her statements, could Ginsburg’s impartiality reasonably be questioned? It is a question that Ginsburg would be called on to resolve herself.

My bet is that she would not recuse herself in a case involving the Trump campaign, even in a Clinton v. Trump case. For her recusal would move the court from a 4-4 tie to a 4-3 margin for the conservatives.

No doubt, in the heat of the election, people will likely impute partisan motives to the Supreme Court justices who intervene in election-related disputes. But Ginsburg has made things far worse.

Those on the left who are tempted to give Ginsburg a pass on her comments should ask themselves if they would want Justice Samuel Alito to recuse in a Clinton v. Trump case if he went on Fox News and said he would move to Britain if Hillary Clinton were elected, or if he called her “Crooked Hillary.”

Ironically, Ginsburg has taken a strong position that states can impose codes of conduct on judicial candidates to stop them from making statements that might raise questions about their impartiality. She has also found due process violations when judges serve on cases in which they have an apparent conflict of interest. What about due process rights here?

The worst part is that this self-inflicted wound was completely avoidable. Even if Ginsburg believes that Trump is a uniquely dangerous candidate for American democracy, plenty of people are making that point. Ginsburg had no need to pile on.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-election-trump-ginsburg-commentary-i
dUSKCN0ZT2IM


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, July 14, 2016 7:52 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Do Supreme Court Justices have First Amendment rights? Yes and the other party never likes that, but that’s not news.

Your editorial’s premise is that the Supreme Court is not political. What a joke! I’ve heard dead Justice Scalia claim he was simply following the original intent of the writers of the Constitution. What a joker he was. Examples of Justices running their mouths like they are politicians:
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/13/heres-how-unpreceden
ted-ruth-bader-ginsburgs-anti-donald-trump-comments-were
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, July 14, 2016 7:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Is an unbiased, fair and impartial Supreme Court Justice expected to expose their incorrigible bias, unswerving political partiality and inherent unfairness to all? No.

But as long as she is willing to recuse herself from cases which she clearly cannot be unbiased and has insurmountable conflict of interest, her First Amendment Rights should not be infringed upon.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 15, 2016 4:13 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The short answer: YES.

The long answer: Do they, the justices, have the right to vote?

What the Notorious RBG did was unprecedented, yes, but harmful to the nation. Come
on, really! She slipped up and allowed herself an emotional outburst, she spoke
first without thinking (something that some folk do all the time and you hear not
a peep from the right wingnuts) and called attention to herself and SCOTUS.

She has every right to speak out, but it did serve to cast a shadow upon the highest law entity in the land. One that's supposed to maintain a certain lofty
position and be above it all. Some even argue that she somehow managed to tarnish
the reputation of the Supreme Court. Meanwhile Scalia would often shoot his mouth
off and nobody would bat an eye. Funny how that works. Still though, she showed
her class by humbly apologizing. What cheeses me off is how the world went apeshit
over her comments - law professors, Faux pundits and laymen alike weighed in -
it was classic overreaction to a rather distressed, but logical, moment in time.

I say that because, Trump doesn't even have the total backing of his own party. It's okay, RBG says, we know.........he's a clueless candidate with the shotgun
mouth. A momentary lapse in judgement for her. Should she have known better, of course. I think she may have commented because of his inane attack against the judge from Indiana, the Mexican-American judge. But that's speculation on my part, I have no proof of that.......just a gut reaction, a hunch.

Still though, I love her feisty American spirit.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Commentary: Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s slam of Trump does the nation no favors

Quote:

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s transparency has long been one of her most admirable traits. The U.S. Supreme Court is a particularly opaque institution, and Ginsburg has been a leader in trying to make the court less so.

With her repeated public criticisms of presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump, however, she has gone too far.

Ginsburg might have increased the chances of a constitutional crisis -- should we ever be in the unfortunate situation of another Bush v. Gore-style election contest wending its way to the Supreme Court.

On top of this, it’s probably too late for her to do anything about it.

Ginsburg’s commitment to transparency is well known. A few years ago, when I pointed out a small error in an opinion related to the legality of Texas’ voter identification law, Ginsburg not only corrected it but released a statement explaining she had done so. Up to that point, the court made changes to opinions without any public announcement. Which could lead to more than a few surprises. (After criticism, the court has officially changed its policy and now announces changes in its opinions after publication.)

Ginsburg also has been more open than other justices when expressing her opinions about the court and its work. A few years ago, she told Adam Liptak of the New York Times that she viewed the conservative majority on the court as activist. When the court was later considering the constitutionality of bans on same-sex marriage, she predicted that if the justices decided to overturn the bans, the public would come to accept it.

She has also repeatedly criticized court opinions from which she dissented. She just did this again with the 2010 Citizens United decision, which freed corporations, special interests and labor unions to contribute unlimited amounts to support individual candidates.

But this time Ginsburg has done something that appears unprecedented: She has given at least three interviews (to the Associated Press, the New York Times and CNN) in which she criticized a presidential candidate in the midst of a presidential election.

She has publicly said that Trump is bad for the country and essentially joked that she would move to New Zealand if he were elected. When given the chance by Joan Biskupic, editor in charge for legal affairs at Reuters and legal analyst for CNN, to back down from her comments, Ginsburg doubled down and called Trump a “faker.”

This led Trump to tweet that the justice is a “disgrace” who should step down. He also spoke with the New York Times in his effort to rebuke her.

Some observers, such as my dean, Erwin Chemerinsky, have defended Ginsburg’s right to speak her mind on political issues. Others have stated that Trump is a uniquely dangerous candidate for American democracy -- and desperate times call for desperate measures.

The First Amendment argument misses the point. It is not about what Ginsburg might say, but what the consequences of her speech are for the Supreme Court and for American democracy.

It is certainly possible that litigation involving the Trump campaign will make it to the Supreme Court on an emergency basis before the election. After all, the rates of election-related lawsuits have more than doubled in the period since the disputed 2000 election. Every election since has seen emergency litigation over election rules get to the court.

Indeed, if we are extremely unlucky, we could be involved in a “Clinton v. Trump” post-election litigation, in which the court’s decision could help determine the outcome of the presidential race.

It would be bad enough for the court to have to wade into another election dispute, this time (unlike during Bush v. Gore) when all the conservatives on the court have been appointed by Republican presidents and all the liberals on the court by Democratic presidents.

It is even worse that the court is divided 4-4 along partisan and ideological lines. This looks likely to continue into the coming term, with the death of Justice Antonin Scalia and the Republican-controlled Senate refusing to consider Judge Merrick Garland to replace him.

A 4-4 tie would leave a lower-court decision, whatever it might be, in place.

In the event that such a case makes it to the Supreme Court, however, there would likely be loud calls from the right for Ginsburg to recuse herself from considering the case. The justices, unlike other judges, are not bound by any formal code of legal ethics, though if they were, making a statement about how an upcoming election should be resolved would be grounds for sanction.

The question is: Given her statements, could Ginsburg’s impartiality reasonably be questioned? It is a question that Ginsburg would be called on to resolve herself.

My bet is that she would not recuse herself in a case involving the Trump campaign, even in a Clinton v. Trump case. For her recusal would move the court from a 4-4 tie to a 4-3 margin for the conservatives.

No doubt, in the heat of the election, people will likely impute partisan motives to the Supreme Court justices who intervene in election-related disputes. But Ginsburg has made things far worse.

Those on the left who are tempted to give Ginsburg a pass on her comments should ask themselves if they would want Justice Samuel Alito to recuse in a Clinton v. Trump case if he went on Fox News and said he would move to Britain if Hillary Clinton were elected, or if he called her “Crooked Hillary.”

Ironically, Ginsburg has taken a strong position that states can impose codes of conduct on judicial candidates to stop them from making statements that might raise questions about their impartiality. She has also found due process violations when judges serve on cases in which they have an apparent conflict of interest. What about due process rights here?

The worst part is that this self-inflicted wound was completely avoidable. Even if Ginsburg believes that Trump is a uniquely dangerous candidate for American democracy, plenty of people are making that point. Ginsburg had no need to pile on.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-election-trump-ginsburg-commentary-i
dUSKCN0ZT2IM



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 15, 2016 4:22 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Did Justice Scalia ever recuse himself when it came to Roe v. Wade?
Should he have regarding the so-called Religious Freedom case?

Hmmmmmmmm. That sound you hear is the other shoe dropping.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is an unbiased, fair and impartial Supreme Court Justice expected to expose their incorrigible bias, unswerving political partiality and inherent unfairness to all? No.

But as long as she is willing to recuse herself from cases which she clearly cannot be unbiased and has insurmountable conflict of interest, her First Amendment Rights should not be infringed upon.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 15, 2016 5:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Did Justice Scalia ever recuse himself when it came to Roe v. Wade?
Should he have regarding the so-called Religious Freedom case?

Hmmmmmmmm. That sound you hear is the other shoe dropping.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is an unbiased, fair and impartial Supreme Court Justice expected to expose their incorrigible bias, unswerving political partiality and inherent unfairness to all? No.

But as long as she is willing to recuse herself from cases which she clearly cannot be unbiased and has insurmountable conflict of interest, her First Amendment Rights should not be infringed upon.



Scalia joined SCOTUS in 1986, long after Roe V. Wade.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, July 15, 2016 11:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


In various official capacities we were enjoined to clearly distinguish between personal opinion, and misleading others into thinking we were speaking officially. Also, yeah, recusal. If you had previously expressed a personal opinion such that you could no longer maintain the appearance of impartiality (the reality being far more difficult to determine) you were expected to recuse yourself.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 16, 2016 4:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
In various official capacities we were enjoined to clearly distinguish between personal opinion, and misleading others into thinking we were speaking officially. Also, yeah, recusal. If you had previously expressed a personal opinion such that you could no longer maintain the appearance of impartiality (the reality being far more difficult to determine) you were expected to recuse yourself.



Are you certain that such rules of decorum, civilization, fairness, and justice don't only apply to conservatives? Don't liberals shun such sensible practices, knowing they cannot be unbiased or impartial?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:03 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Hmmm... we have Clarence Thomas, former lawyer for Monsanto, refusing to recuse himself from cases directly impacting his former employer. Scalia takes "gifts" from people who have business before his court. Alito refers to Obama's reelection as "darkest night, most extreme peril..."

But Ginsberg's the one in the wrong here because... what? She's a woman? A liberal?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, July 16, 2016 9:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


EC

I agree. The rules should apply to all, equally.

I remember a similar discussion about the Supremes quite a while ago, and at that time I looked up what rules/ restrictions/ laws they operated under. This pretty much tracks with what I remember-
http://www.afj.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/recusal-afj-one_pager.pd
f

A federal law, 28 U.S.C. § 455, requires all federal judges, including Supreme Court to recuse themselves from any case in which their impartiality “may be reasonably be questioned.” The statute also sets forth a number of specific circumstances when a judge must recuse, such as when the judge has a financial interest in any party or subject matter of the case.
By tradition, Supreme Court justices are allowed to rule on the merits of recusal motions brought against them. And unlike other federal judges, when a Supreme Court justice denies a motion to recuse, there is no possibility of further review and the Supreme Court justice gets the final word on his or her right to sit. They are not even required to issue a written decision explaining their decision.


There should be 360 review - ie, the lower legal levels should be able to review how the Supreme Court conducts itself.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Sunday, July 17, 2016 10:09 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The only thing Ruth Bader Ginsburg did wrong was apologize.

Who is better positioned to call Donald Trump out as a “faker” ignorant of the constitutional values that bind us together?

Was the outspoken Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg out of line to call out Donald Trump as a “faker,” who “says whatever comes into his head at the moment,” for inconsistency of thinking, and for not releasing his tax returns? Of course she was. As Ginsburg said later upon reflection, her comments were “ill advised,” and she regretted making them. “Judges,” she said, “should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office. In the future, I will be more circumspect.”

A faker is someone who deceives. By making outlandish statements and then denying he said them, by telling the American people that he will build a wall along the Mexican border that he knows will never happen, by saying he will “make” China assassinate Kim Jong-un of North Korea, that he will compromise the national debt, Trump fits the definition of “faker” quite neatly.

Trump, moreover, has repeatedly made campaign promises that, if fulfilled would violate basic constitutional values. He has said he would deport over 11 million undocumented immigrants, ban Muslims from entering the United States, surveil American Muslims and their houses of worship, reinstate torture, summarily execute Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl before he is even tried, compromise the national debt, and revise libel laws so he could sue journalists who dare to disagree with him.

Ginsburg’s comments instantly unleashed controversy. Trump said that Ginsburg should resign (which she won’t, nor has any reason to do); that she is “dumb”; that “her mind is shot”; and that she is a “disgrace” (an insult he has so overused to characterize his political adversaries that it has become a cliché). The mainstream liberal media, led by The New York Times and The Washington Post, were editorially quick to pile on. The Times wrote: “Donald Trump Is Right about Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg,” and accused her of “political punditry and name-calling.” The Post said that while none of “Justice Ginsburg’s disparaging comments about…Donald Trump [were] untrue, at least not as we read the evidence,” it condemned “Justice Ginsburg’s off-the cuff remarks about the campaign” as falling “into that limited category of candor that we can’t admire,” as though the Holy Grail inside the Beltway is to be admired by the Post.

I would argue, however, that Ginsburg too readily caved to pressure in expressing “regret”—something short of a full apology. The only thing she did wrong was to apologize. I would argue that her “apology,” such as it was, may be seen to give Trump a healing benediction. The Code of Conduct for United States judges wisely states that a “judge should not…publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for public office.” But Trump is no ordinary candidate. And he seeks no ordinary public office.

The Code of Conduct is not binding on Supreme Court justices, although it most certainly should be. Supreme Court justices are different. As Justice Robert Jackson observed, “We are not final because we are infallible, we are infallible because we are final.”

This is no ordinary election, for these are the times that try the souls of men and women. More is at stake here than whether we tax and spend wisely or make a trade deal with China or gouge students who must borrow to attend college. With as many as four actual and potential vacancies arising in the next four years, the future of the Supreme Court for decades will be in the hands of the next president. When someone such as Trump, who has repeatedly ignored the basic requirements of the Constitution, has the potential to be president, who is better positioned than a venerable justice of the Supreme Court to call him out as a “faker” who is grossly ignorant of the basic constitutional values that bind us together?

Legal ethicists agree that Ginsburg has said nothing that would be disqualifying if issues involving Trump came before the Court—even if another Bush v. Gore should arise. The late Justice Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas have repeatedly expressed extrajudicial opinions on matters that regularly come before the Court such as abortion, homosexuality, affirmative action, and capital punishment.

And when the Republican Senate abdicates its responsibility to consider duly appointed justices, it should not be surprising that Americans of courage and principle such as Justice Ginsburg speak out in protest and horror at the politicization of the judiciary. These are dangerous times in this country. If you believe that the Constitution and basic values are imperiled by a Trump presidency, who better than a respected Supreme Court Justice to sound the alarm and courageously remind us that America matters?
www.thenation.com/article/the-only-thing-ruth-bader-ginsburg-did-wrong
-was-apologize
/


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, July 18, 2016 4:01 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here's me, with egg on my face. I stand corrected.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Did Justice Scalia ever recuse himself when it came to Roe v. Wade?
Should he have regarding the so-called Religious Freedom case?

Hmmmmmmmm. That sound you hear is the other shoe dropping.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is an unbiased, fair and impartial Supreme Court Justice expected to expose their incorrigible bias, unswerving political partiality and inherent unfairness to all? No.

But as long as she is willing to recuse herself from cases which she clearly cannot be unbiased and has insurmountable conflict of interest, her First Amendment Rights should not be infringed upon.



Scalia joined SCOTUS in 1986, long after Roe V. Wade.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, July 18, 2016 4:04 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Good points all.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Hmmm... we have Clarence Thomas, former lawyer for Monsanto, refusing to recuse himself from cases directly impacting his former employer. Scalia takes "gifts" from people who have business before his court. Alito refers to Obama's reelection as "darkest night, most extreme peril..."

But Ginsberg's the one in the wrong here because... what? She's a woman? A liberal?


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, July 18, 2016 4:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Oh yes, of course, only liberals present biased opinions.

Give me a fucking break!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
In various official capacities we were enjoined to clearly distinguish between personal opinion, and misleading others into thinking we were speaking officially. Also, yeah, recusal. If you had previously expressed a personal opinion such that you could no longer maintain the appearance of impartiality (the reality being far more difficult to determine) you were expected to recuse yourself.



Are you certain that such rules of decorum, civilization, fairness, and justice don't only apply to conservatives? Don't liberals shun such sensible practices, knowing they cannot be unbiased or impartial?


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, July 18, 2016 4:23 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


There should be 360 review - ie, the lower legal levels should be able to review how the Supreme Court conducts itself.

Then the Supreme Court would cease to exist.

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2016/05/when-do-supreme-court-justi
ces-recuse-themselves-from-cases
/

"Frequent recusals were Thurgood Marshall’s problem in 1967 before they were Kagan’s. The legendary lawyer was the Solicitor General under President Lyndon B. Johnson before being nominated to the Supreme Court. Marshall recused himself from more cases in his earlier cases than Kagan. Recusals, however, are not unique to former Solicitor Generals. Any conflict of interest can theoretically disqualify a judge. Sandra Day O’Connor removed herself from cases regarding telecommunications firms on account of her stock-owning. Clarence Thomas was recused himself from United States vs. Virginia because of his son’s enrollment at The Virginia Military Institute. From financial incentive to familial bias, recusal has proved far more pervasive in modern times than in the early Supreme Court."

But in the case of RBG, this argument is moot because no case was before SCOTUS
regarding Mr. Drumpf. And what of Alito's comments about the president. Double standard as usual.


SGG

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, July 18, 2016 7:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Did Justice Scalia ever recuse himself when it came to Roe v. Wade?
Should he have regarding the so-called Religious Freedom case?

Hmmmmmmmm. That sound you hear is the other shoe dropping.


SGG
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is an unbiased, fair and impartial Supreme Court Justice expected to expose their incorrigible bias, unswerving political partiality and inherent unfairness to all? No.

But as long as she is willing to recuse herself from cases which she clearly cannot be unbiased and has insurmountable conflict of interest, her First Amendment Rights should not be infringed upon.



Scalia joined SCOTUS in 1986, long after Roe V. Wade.


Here's me, with egg on my face. I stand corrected.


SGG



Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
In various official capacities we were enjoined to clearly distinguish between personal opinion, and misleading others into thinking we were speaking officially. Also, yeah, recusal. If you had previously expressed a personal opinion such that you could no longer maintain the appearance of impartiality (the reality being far more difficult to determine) you were expected to recuse yourself.


Are you certain that such rules of decorum, civilization, fairness, and justice don't only apply to conservatives? Don't liberals shun such sensible practices, knowing they cannot be unbiased or impartial?


Oh yes, of course, only liberals present biased opinions

pretending they are unbiased.


Good of you to admit you were wrong twice.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:29 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


There's nothing wrong with admitting when one is wrong. And I'll leave it at that.


SGG

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
BREAKING NEWS: Taylor Swift has a lot of ex-boyfriends
Fri, April 19, 2024 09:18 - 1 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Fri, April 19, 2024 08:45 - 6266 posts
Elections; 2024
Fri, April 19, 2024 06:40 - 2273 posts
This is what baseball bats are for, not to mention you're the one in a car...
Thu, April 18, 2024 23:38 - 1 posts
I'm surprised there's not an inflation thread yet
Thu, April 18, 2024 23:20 - 742 posts
FACTS
Thu, April 18, 2024 19:48 - 548 posts
Biden's a winner, Trumps a loser. Hey Jack, I Was Right
Thu, April 18, 2024 18:38 - 148 posts
QAnons' representatives here
Thu, April 18, 2024 17:58 - 777 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Thu, April 18, 2024 16:51 - 3530 posts
Why does THUGR shit up the board by bumping his pointless threads?
Thu, April 18, 2024 12:38 - 9 posts
human actions, global climate change, global human solutions
Thu, April 18, 2024 10:21 - 834 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Wed, April 17, 2024 23:58 - 1005 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL