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Monday, June 20, 2016 2:28 PM

THGRRI



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Monday, June 20, 2016 6:48 PM

WISHIMAY


Ok. You are entitled to your feelings.

I'm going to use yer thread and post something I read today that pissed me off since you probably aren't going to get much response....


"The final blow that led to my leaving organized religion behind came when I was about 17 years old. It was Sunday night and the church was voting on the budget for the upcoming year. The money that filtered into that atypically large church astounded me. The salaries! The power bill! The juice and animal crackers for children’s church!

As I scanned each line item I came to “landscaping” and nearly gasped when I saw the amount of money we spent on weeding flower beds and pruning shrubbery. I compared this to the category marked “benevolence,” which included services such as a food pantry for needy families, and noted that we allocated not even half the resources for benevolence as we did for landscaping.

This church was, to borrow a tired metaphor, nothing more than a social club. It left a sour taste in my mouth that lingers to this day."


I'd like to say that a church down the street recently spent 150 GRAND on a new roof, paving the parking lot and making elaborate flower beds.
Meanwhile, I know a 62 yr old women raising three grandkids, and has a 20 yr old S-10 that doesn't have enough seat belts for the kids, among others...



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Monday, June 20, 2016 6:58 PM

THGRRI


Be my guest WISHIE

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Monday, June 20, 2016 8:49 PM

THGRRI





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Friday, July 8, 2016 6:39 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


I, for one, love your list.


SGG

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Friday, July 8, 2016 7:03 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


For that, which you posted, and other reasons I too have "finally" made the decision to leave the "church." Religion is a racket, to say the least.

I saw a "church" give it's pastor a $500 suit and a new Mercedes. I shit you not!
WTF is the world coming to when a preacher, whom, as I understand it, is supposed to take a vow of poverty (I may be mixing my religions here, but you get the meaning of my criticism) walking around with a new Mercedes, and the folks in need of help and relief suffer.

I was once asked by my sister, why did you stop going to church? I gave her a rather smart-ass answer....God is everywhere! My church is right here, and I pointed to my heart. I don't need a physical structure, I have the sky as my steeple and the earth as my pew. But I've been that way since I was a kid when my
mom, may she R.I.P., would drag me to Catholic mass, and I would overhear the
congregation talking shit about each other right after the priest said "Pass the peace to your neighbor" - Ah, memories.

My mom left it up to us if we wanted to pursue religion right after our communion.
Love you, Ma!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Ok. You are entitled to your feelings.

I'm going to use yer thread and post something I read today that pissed me off since you probably aren't going to get much response....


"The final blow that led to my leaving organized religion behind came when I was about 17 years old. It was Sunday night and the church was voting on the budget for the upcoming year. The money that filtered into that atypically large church astounded me. The salaries! The power bill! The juice and animal crackers for children’s church!

As I scanned each line item I came to “landscaping” and nearly gasped when I saw the amount of money we spent on weeding flower beds and pruning shrubbery. I compared this to the category marked “benevolence,” which included services such as a food pantry for needy families, and noted that we allocated not even half the resources for benevolence as we did for landscaping.

This church was, to borrow a tired metaphor, nothing more than a social club. It left a sour taste in my mouth that lingers to this day."


I'd like to say that a church down the street recently spent 150 GRAND on a new roof, paving the parking lot and making elaborate flower beds.
Meanwhile, I know a 62 yr old women raising three grandkids, and has a 20 yr old S-10 that doesn't have enough seat belts for the kids, among others...




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Friday, July 8, 2016 7:52 PM

OONJERAH


One of my all-time favorite topics is:
Religion -vs- What You Really Believe.

That's if I can find someone to talk
to who thinks better than they follow.


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Friday, July 8, 2016 9:19 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
One of my all-time favorite topics is:
Religion -vs- What You Really Believe.

That's if I can find someone to talk
to who thinks better than they follow.


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.



I do not believe in god, plan and simple. I also do not believe in bashing those who do. I do not like people attacking and labeling believers as stupid. And I do love going after those who condemn decent people just because they believe.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:03 PM

THGRRI


Is that it?

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Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:11 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
One of my all-time favorite topics is:
Religion -vs- What You Really Believe.

That's if I can find someone to talk
to who thinks better than they follow.




That's a problem, fer sure.
My old neighbors moved out last week, but before they did, she called me over to tell me the old "I'd rather believe and be right, than not and be wrong" thing ONE MORE DAMN TIME. At least a dozen times in the last 8 years we been here.

There is no conversation, just decades and decades of reinforcement.



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Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:26 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

I also do not believe in bashing those who do. I do not like people attacking and labeling believers as stupid.




Why not... they bash like a sea full of hammers.
They call everyone else who doesn't see what they see "stupid".

It doesn't help society any to retaliate, of course, but how many times can you be kicked by people who have been brainwashed? And I'm not even talking about whichever god, just the "I know better than you" jerks.

Got that speech from my mo-in-law years ago. "I really do feel that MY church is the right one". 'Course then some preacher came by to say that women shouldn't be wearing PANTS and they left that one.

And who are you to say no one should bash believers? Aren't YOU being manipulative in that way? I have MORE right to fight back then they think they do to attack.

The difference between me and them, I can disagree and not have to right a person off, whereas *I* would get written off by most of my family if I were to say I was athiest/agnostic. My freedom to speak and think has been manipulated since BIRTH. They manipulate and then are twisted enough to think doing that to another person is the "right thing to do".

THAT....IS......STUPID. THEY *ARE* ASSHOLES.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You go away and come back all thin-skinned and fragile to a place that's known for fighting, wait.... did someone die? Have you been diagnosed with something??

Like I said, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION, EVER.

If it doesn't make you mad that little kids are losing limbs and faces to something WE made that IS NOT NECESSARY, you are OBLIVIOUS.

La la la, they will be fine, la la la, not my problem, la la la.

You can't even remotely stay on topic, can you?

Halleluiah! I never thought you'd shut that pious act off.


THAT....IS......STUPID. THEY *ARE* ASSHOLES.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:41 AM

WISHIMAY




And here comes one of those assholes now....
Couldn't resist, huh?
I think yer a little mad this thread is back.


And good job picking out the posts where you looked like an idiot. You missed a few though...






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Thursday, July 14, 2016 3:33 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Exactly.

I have nothing against those who chose that path, just don't try to drag me into
it. My younger sister Millie, when she traveled the Earth, would often ask me to go with her to church - Born Again Christians - and I would go as her escort. A long and private story, but suffice it to say I loved my sister (may she forever R.I.P.)

There are some who try and shame/guilt you into going, and there are those that look down their nose at you, as well as those who criticize you in front of your face and behind your back. Don't need that. Don't get me wrong, I've met wonderful people in my travels, but why is it that people insist on pushing religion and
ruin church for the good folk.

Corporate religion is like rules and regs; while church is love and compassion for your fellow sufferers. Faith is a funny thing, but what does it take to be kind
to those around you that have the same nothing that you have. I may be a bit naive
in this kind of thinking; but if you cut any human on this planet no matter their skin color, don't they bleed red.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
One of my all-time favorite topics is:
Religion -vs- What You Really Believe.

That's if I can find someone to talk
to who thinks better than they follow.


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.


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Thursday, July 14, 2016 3:39 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


This is the day and age of "fuck everybody else, I got mine" sad but true. That's
why you hear about a teenager attacking and kicking a 75-year-old man in the head;
in front of surveillance cameras no less. RUFKM.......who does that!?

We, Brenda, were raised to respect others and ourselves. Yes, old fashioned values.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
How about what's the point of trying to be polite when refeering to another person?

That's my beef from last night at work. My employer's son called and I told my boss's husband and the son a "gentleman". He proceeded to make basically fun that I was being old fashioned. Well, I don't know their son well enough to recognize his voice. I finally looked at the guy and said, "Well, I could have just said, "Some dude called."

Of course then they would have gotten their knickers in a twist because I wasn't being polite enough.

Arrrggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!


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Thursday, July 14, 2016 3:47 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


It shows to go ya...............ya don't have to go to church to be an asshole.....
I'm just sayin'


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:


And here comes one of those assholes now....
Couldn't resist, huh?
I think yer a little mad this thread is back.


And good job picking out the posts where you looked like an idiot. You missed a few though...







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Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:27 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

I also do not believe in bashing those who do. I do not like people attacking and labeling believers as stupid.




Why not... they bash like a sea full of hammers.
They call everyone else who doesn't see what they see "stupid".

It doesn't help society any to retaliate, of course, but how many times can you be kicked by people who have been brainwashed? And I'm not even talking about whichever god, just the "I know better than you" jerks.

Got that speech from my mo-in-law years ago. "I really do feel that MY church is the right one". 'Course then some preacher came by to say that women shouldn't be wearing PANTS and they left that one.

And who are you to say no one should bash believers? Aren't YOU being manipulative in that way? I have MORE right to fight back then they think they do to attack.

The difference between me and them, I can disagree and not have to right a person off, whereas *I* would get written off by most of my family if I were to say I was athiest/agnostic. My freedom to speak and think has been manipulated since BIRTH. They manipulate and then are twisted enough to think doing that to another person is the "right thing to do".

THAT....IS......STUPID. THEY *ARE* ASSHOLES.



No wishie they don't. Only those who are Zealot's do that.

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Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:38 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:


If it doesn't make you mad that little kids are losing limbs and faces to something WE made that IS NOT NECESSARY, you are OBLIVIOUS.



It is amazing how many posts of yours I can attach this definition to that explains what you are doing, as you respond to what someone else posts.

The fallacy of relative privation, or appeal to worse problems, is an informal fallacy which attempts to suggest that the opponent’s argument should be ignored because there are more important problems in the world, despite the fact that these issues are often completely unrelated to the subject under discussion.


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Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:08 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:


No wishie they don't. Only those who are Zealot's do that.





"The fallacy of relative privation"
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Then I'm surrounded!

Also, my grandma and I go round and round about that. When I say I have a problem, she'll tell me about someone who's dying and I say
"Do you know what makes MY problem so much worse than that person's problem??? IT'S MY PROBLEM."

My spouse broke a bone at work last week, and when I told the neighbor, who goes out of her way to appear tough, she said "Yeah, I had that years ago and I still had to work and volunteer..." It's rude.
It takes so much learning and effort to teach a person to say "I sympathize with your problem, I hope they get better soon."

It's right up there with victim blaming. You have to LEARN not to do that.







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Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:39 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:


No wishie they don't. Only those who are Zealot's do that.





"The fallacy of relative privation"
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Then I'm surrounded!

Also, my grandma and I go round and round about that. When I say I have a problem, she'll tell me about someone who's dying and I say
"Do you know what makes MY problem so much worse than that person's problem??? IT'S MY PROBLEM."

My spouse broke a bone at work last week, and when I told the neighbor, who goes out of her way to appear tough, she said "Yeah, I had that years ago and I still had to work and volunteer..." It's rude.
It takes so much learning and effort to teach a person to say "I sympathize with your problem, I hope they get better soon."

It's right up there with victim blaming. You have to LEARN not to do that.









Sorry to hear that wish. Apparently these people lack empathy. The ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

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Friday, July 15, 2016 1:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I think you mentioned to Wishi a lack of empathy and understanding. I deal with a lot of that in my life. I get so tired sometimes that I want to punch either people or put my fist through a wall because of it. I am expected to see the big picture but can anyone focus on my picture. Noooooo.
I feel so sad for you BRENDA. I wish I could help.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Friday, July 15, 2016 5:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Virtual hugs across the miles anyway.

--------------
I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Friday, July 15, 2016 10:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Maybe you don't remember w-ass, those were your posts.

Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:


And here comes one of those assholes now....
Couldn't resist, huh?
I think yer a little mad this thread is back.


And good job picking out the posts where you looked like an idiot. You missed a few though...



You go away and come back all thin-skinned and fragile to a place that's known for fighting, wait.... did someone die? Have you been diagnosed with something??

Like I said, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION, EVER.

If it doesn't make you mad that little kids are losing limbs and faces to something WE made that IS NOT NECESSARY, you are OBLIVIOUS.

La la la, they will be fine, la la la, not my problem, la la la.

You can't even remotely stay on topic, can you?

Halleluiah! I never thought you'd shut that pious act off.


THAT....IS......STUPID. THEY *ARE* ASSHOLES.







Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, July 16, 2016 1:23 AM

WISHIMAY


Jesus, lady.... We KNOW they were my posts, but apparently YOU are the only one who doesn't realize you were clearly clueless in those posts.

It's WHY we were talking about relative privation in the first place.

In all seriousness, you used to be a little more on your game a few years ago.
I think you either too much or you are developing a neurological problem. Not kidding. Half the time, you don't even know what people are talking about.
I know getting old sucks, but you should see a doctor or something. The pills for Alzheimer's actually do help.... for a couple years.

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Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:40 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... We KNOW they were my posts, but apparently YOU are the only one who doesn't realize you were clearly clueless in those posts."

You mean I was clueless in YOUR posts? Are you even more irrational than usual?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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