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Drivin' Miss Mary... to the jailhouse

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Monday, March 21, 2016 12:58 AM

WISHIMAY


Following adjustments that were not applied in previous studies, researchers determined that cannabis-impaired driving led to an increase in crash likelihood at a factor of 1.2 to 1.4. In plainer terms, it was a statistically significant increase of low-to-moderate proportions, which is in stark contrast to prior study findings. Comparatively, alcohol increased the likelihood of a motor vehicle crash by a factor of almost four.

There are also worries about other societal impacts. For instance, based on data from the Seattle Police Department, property crimes rates jumped by more than 8,000 incidences from 2012 to 2014, after recreational marijuana's approval. By a similar token, total crime in Denver County jumped 29% from 2012 into 2013, and another 15% from 2013 into 2014. It's not concrete that marijuana is to blame, but the coincidence is uncanny.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/03/20/this-might-be-the-bes
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Monday, March 21, 2016 2:00 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The only definite information I got out of this is that people who are stoned are comparatively far safer drivers than people who are drunk.

The other statements left so much out I found them hard to interpret.

"For instance, based on data from the Seattle Police Department, property crimes rates jumped by more than 8,000 incidences from 2012 to 2014, after recreational marijuana's approval." Out of how many? An 8,000 increase out of 800 would be a major problem, 8,000 out of 80,000 might just be normal year to year variability.

"By a similar token, total crime in Denver County jumped 29% from 2012 into 2013, and another 15% from 2013 into 2014. It's not concrete that marijuana is to blame, but the coincidence is uncanny." How does that correspond to crime rates across the country? They've taken a major leap up lately.

Also, there was a lot addressing the potential of mj as a business investement. But there was no mention about whether people could or should be able to grow their own, and what that might do to commercial sales.

Except for the one study, I didn't get much definitive from the article.




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Monday, March 21, 2016 12:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Here is the actual article, with comments.

This Might Be the Best Marijuana Study You'll See All Year


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Marijuana appears to be set up for what could be its best year ever.

The plant, which is currently illegal at the federal level, has expanded like a weed over the past two decades. A whopping 23 states have legalized marijuana for medicinal use since 1996, and four states have legalized the sale of marijuana for recreational purposes since 2012.

Colorado has been a specific shining example of the industry's success. After generating $699 million in legal medical and recreational marijuana sales in 2014, Colorado fell $4 million shy of hitting $1 billion in legal sales this past year. It nonetheless generated $135 million in tax revenue and licensing fees in 2015, of which at least $35 million will be steered toward the state's education system. Legislators in states where marijuana is legal are likely thrilled with the tax revenue boost, and national polls continue to show steady or growing support for legalization.

So what's standing in the way of marijuana's ongoing expansion? Look no further than the federal government. President Obama doesn't have marijuana on his agenda in his final year in the Oval Office, and Congress appears in no rush to act, either.

The primary reason for inaction on Capitol Hill is tied to the safety profile of marijuana.

Oh piffle! I doubt it! If safety were the reason, Congress would be looking harder at gun ownership, or at prescription drug errors/ side effects, or even backup cameras on SUVs.

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Only within the past decade or so have researchers really stepped up their analysis of the potential medical benefits of marijuana. In prior decades the focus had almost exclusively targeted the adverse effects of the plant. The end result is that lawmakers on Capitol Hill have a mountain of negative data they could potentially pore over, and a considerably smaller amount of positive long-term data. Until regulators feel that they can make an educated decision on marijuana's safety profile, they simply won't change its federal scheduling.
It's not "regulators" in charge of the process, it's that bunch of venal, corrupt ideologues known as "Congress" that are driving this particular bus.

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However, a new broad-based marijuana study released by two Norwegian researchers last week and published in the online journal Addiction suggests that marijuana may not be as "dangerous" as first believed when it comes to operating a motor vehicle.

The researchers had one simple task in mind: analyze to what degree acute cannabis intoxication increases the likelihood of a vehicle crash. To do this they examined two separate studies.

The first study replicated two previously published meta-analyses (studies that look at multiple other studies under one umbrella), but aimed to correct "methodological shortcomings." This included a group of nearly 51,000 people, of which roughly 23,000 were controls and the remainder were cannabis intoxication case examples, and a second sample size of more than 93,000 cases, of which almost 89,000 were controls.

Study two was a revised meta-analysis that involved 28 estimates from 21 observational studies. All told, study two included a sample count that almost reached 240,000.

Their findings showed that prior studies failed to properly account for certain "known confounders," such as age and gender, thus skewing the results.

In other words, the type of driver who is likely to be stoned - young males- is also a notoriously bad driver all on his own.

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Following adjustments that were not applied in previous studies, researchers determined that cannabis-impaired driving led to an increase in crash likelihood at a factor of 1.2 to 1.4. In plainer terms, it was a statistically significant increase of low-to-moderate proportions, which is in stark contrast to prior study findings. Comparatively, alcohol increased the likelihood of a motor vehicle crash by a factor of almost four.
Or driving sleepy, or driving while texting, or with kids screaming in the back seat.

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This study could prove particularly important for supporters of the marijuana movement because it's large, representing multiple hundreds of thousands of cases, and it examined data over more than a three-decade period (1982 through 2015). In other words, it could be construed as largely representative of the global population.

More importantly, it hits on one of the largest marijuana concerns; namely, what might happen to driving under the influence offenses if marijuana is legalized nationwide? Lawmakers are clearly worried about what sort of recipe smoking marijuana and driving a vehicle could create, but this study may indeed help lessen those fears.

Of course, this is by no means the last worry for legislators. For example, concerns remain about the consumption of marijuana edibles. It's a lot tougher for state regulators to govern edibles since they aren't as easily recognizable as a marijuana product and could, in theory, wind up in the hands of minors much easier (which is a major concern of lawmakers). Regulators also worry about whether or not THC-content in edible products is consistent from one batch to the next.

This IS a problem. Young children see brownies, or gummie-candy, and they eat them! The incidence of unintentional MJ ingestion by young children has gone up, and poison control center calls in Colorado have also gone up, although the impact is uncertain.

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...ever since the government left each state up to enforce marijuana laws, and we legalized medical marijuana, we’ve seen at least a couple per month. Before that, we saw zero in probably five years. Kids get into foods with THC in them, without realizing that not only do they have adult doses of THC in them, but each brownie tends to be multiple doses. And these foods are often unlabeled, so to a four year old, it just looks like a normal brownie and they end up with a whopping dose. Even then, most kids are fine.”

http://epmonthly.com/article/as-marijuana-access-grows-concerns-over-u
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There are also worries about other societal impacts. For instance, based on data from the Seattle Police Department, property crimes rates jumped by more than 8,000 incidences from 2012 to 2014, after recreational marijuana's approval. By a similar token, total crime in Denver County jumped 29% from 2012 into 2013, and another 15% from 2013 into 2014. It's not concrete that marijuana is to blame, but the coincidence is uncanny.
I second KIKI's comments on this. The murder rate in Chicago this year is double the murder rate of last year. Is that due to marijuana? Never much of a pot-smoker myself, but based on what I saw people who smoke weed slow down, they don't speed up. It's hard to imagine an increase in ANYTHING with legalized MJ, except maybe people who won't move from the front lawn/ park bench. The reporting on this is so vague as to be useless.

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For investors following the progress of marijuana, there is clear excitement. According to ArcView Market Research, legal marijuana sales expanded 15% to $5.4 billion in 2015, and they are forecast to grow by 30% per year through 2020. This would imply a $22 billion industry by the end of the decade. Investors would struggle to find this sort of growth from other industries.

The concern is that few avenues exist for investors to take advantage of this growth. Very few marijuana stocks trade on reputable exchanges, meaning it could be tough to get accurate and up-to-date information on marijuana companies. Even with more than $5 billion in legal marijuana sales, you'll also struggle to find publicly-traded marijuana businesses that are profitable.

Perhaps the bigger concern is that inaction on Capitol Hill continues to put marijuana businesses at two inherent disadvantages. First, they have no ability to take normalized tax deductions. The other issue is banks tends to ally themselves with the federal law regardless of whether or not states have legalized marijuana. For marijuana businesses, this means minimal to no access to basic banking services such as checking accounts and lines of credit.

Thus, even though marijuana's long-term outlook may have brightened a bit with the aforementioned study, the drug itself still remains a long shot to make investors money.

I resent the intrusion of "big business" into every aspect of life. There should be a "able to grow your own" law, just like people can grow their own grapes or make their own beer. There are volume limits on alcohol production to prevent the home grower from becoming an untaxed vendor. For the home hobbyists that I know, the limits are far in excess of what they make.

One thing that troubles me about MJ is that the newer strains are really, really potent. This isn't the days of Maui Wowee. Not only that, but just as with ANY naturally-produced compound, there are many related compounds in the plant- current strains probably have different profiles than the old strains. There is even a compound (not THC) which eliminates seizures.

Like alcohol, the concentration of THC and total cannabinoids should be labeled. Edibles are dangerous in households with young children. They should be packaged unattractively and securely, like drain cleaner and medicine.

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Monday, March 21, 2016 2:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'd like to think that the average home-grower, growing the new strains and allowing them to freely hybridize, then planting those seeds, will end up with plants that slowly get selected to revert back to 'normal' historical strains. The idea is that the souped-up strains are biologically expensive for the plant, that plants that produce less of the compounds will survive better and pass on those genes to the next generation.

BTW there was a study in Britain using standardized doses of pure THC, to mimic the effects of the newer, THC-overloaded strains. The people who got the pure THC invariably got an anxious, paranoid, hallucinogenic high, not the mellow kind. So those 'other' compounds seem to have a positive modifying effect on THC.

Finally, I take crime rates with a LARGE amount of scepticism. LA was found to be under-reporting violent crimes for 8 years. http://ktla.com/2015/10/15/lapd-underreported-serious-assaults-skewing
-crime-rate-for-8-years
/ "With the incidents counted correctly, violent crime in the city was 7% higher than the LAPD reported in the period from 2005 to fall 2012, and the number of serious assaults was 16% higher, the analysis found." So even if the crime rates mentioned had been put into a context with other crime rates, crime rates themselves aren't always a reliable metric.




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Tuesday, March 22, 2016 6:52 AM

RIVERLOVE


A few years ago I was on a jury for a case of vehicular manslaughter involving an 18 year old high school kid who caused a crash that killed three people, including a mom and her 5 year old daughter. There was no alcohol present, but the arresting officers found some pot on him and they testified that he was stoned and disoriented at the scene. He was found guilty and the judge gave him 20 years. People smoke pot and think they can do anything and that everything will be fine. Sometimes it isn't.

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Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:30 PM

REAVERFAN


Hmm. A study that defies all previous studies.

I get so tired of the pants-wetters wringing their hands about marijuana. They'll resort to outright lies to push their agenda, and it's always about money.

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Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:33 PM

REAVERFAN


The Top Five Special Interest Groups Lobbying To Keep Marijuana Illegal

http://www.republicreport.org/2012/marijuana-lobby-illegal/

1.) Police Unions: Police departments across the country have become dependent on federal drug war grants to finance their budget. In March, we published a story revealing that a police union lobbyist in California coordinated the effort to defeat Prop 19, a ballot measure in 2010 to legalize marijuana, while helping his police department clients collect tens of millions in federal marijuana-eradication grants. And it’s not just in California. Federal lobbying disclosures show that other police union lobbyists have pushed for stiffer penalties for marijuana-related crimes nationwide.

2.) Private Prisons Corporations: Private prison corporations make millions by incarcerating people who have been imprisoned for drug crimes, including marijuana. As Republic Report’s Matt Stoller noted last year, Corrections Corporation of America, one of the largest for-profit prison companies, revealed in a regulatory filing that continuing the drug war is part in parcel to their business strategy. Prison companies have spent millions bankrolling pro-drug war politicians and have used secretive front groups, like the American Legislative Exchange Council, to pass harsh sentencing requirements for drug crimes.

3.) Alcohol and Beer Companies: Fearing competition for the dollars Americans spend on leisure, alcohol and tobacco interests have lobbied to keep marijuana out of reach. For instance, the California Beer & Beverage Distributors contributed campaign contributions to a committee set up to prevent marijuana from being legalized and taxed.

4.) Pharmaceutical Corporations: Like the sin industries listed above, pharmaceutical interests would like to keep marijuana illegal so American don’t have the option of cheap medical alternatives to their products. Howard Wooldridge, a retired police officer who now lobbies the government to relax marijuana prohibition laws, told Republic Report that next to police unions, the “second biggest opponent on Capitol Hill is big PhRMA” because marijuana can replace “everything from Advil to Vicodin and other expensive pills.”

5.) Prison Guard Unions: Prison guard unions have a vested interest in keeping people behind bars just like for-profit prison companies. In 2008, the California Correctional Peace Officers Association spent a whopping $1 million to defeat a measure that would have “reduced sentences and parole times for nonviolent drug offenders while emphasizing drug treatment over prison.”

Just follow the money!

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