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The scariest thing I've read in ages

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Sunday, September 13, 2015 12:00 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/one-third-americans-fine-military-184519729.html

"Is there any situation in which you could imagine yourself supporting the U.S. military taking over the powers of federal government?" Interestingly, Republicans were twice as likely as Democrats to answer 'yes' to the question; 43 percent of Republicans said they could imagine supporting a military coup, while only 20 percent of Democrat said they'd support the move. About 30 percent of self-identified independent voters said they could get behind a military takeover.

Yeah, run this country just like they run the V.A.

I mean, costs will drop, coffin and aspirin sales will be through the roof.

Need surgery? Have an aspirin...
Schools will be teaching guns, grits and camo.
Checkpoints on every street.
Mexico and Canada can declare war on us using OUR OWN WEAPONS.
One in four women will be raped and no one will ever go to trial.
All paperwork will be forwarded to the Vogon headquarters.
Hope you like war movies...

Geeez.

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Monday, September 14, 2015 7:43 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I have a better "scary" story than you: Polls in the last year turned up higher-than-expected support for Texas secession from the USA, up to 34 percent.

Secessionists hopeful despite odds By Dylan Baddour
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Ever-hopef
ul-and-determined-Texas-secessionists-6502332.php

Everyone has seen the bumper stickers: “Texas Secede.” It’s an age-old jest in the Lone Star State. But some people take it seriously. Really seriously.

Joe Fallin is one of them. An independent Texas is his greatest dream.

A struggling oil field machinery worker from outside Bryan, Fallin, 40, is a freshman “senator” in a volunteer group called the Republic of Texas, whose members believe Texas never legally became part of the United States and, therefore, remains a sovereign nation. They maintain executive, legislative and judicial branches of government and call their monthly meetings joint sessions of congress. They refer to themselves as Texians — citizens of the Republic of Texas. Their solemn mission, debated these days at considerable length: plotting a legalistic escape from Uncle Sam. “It’s not a question of if it’s going to happen, it’s a question of when,” Fallin said.

Times are relatively good for the Republic. Bold anti-federalism at the state Capitol has nudged the mainstream a little nearer to the Texians, and popular opposition to Washington has generated interest in their cause, at least online.

Even the Russian media, at Vladimir Putin’s behest, have cheered the independence movement and a rival secessionist group, the Texas Nationalist Movement, since the United States brought aggressive sanctions against Russia last fall for its activities in the Ukraine, according to a recent Politco story: “Putin’s plot to get Texas to secede.”
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/vladimir-putin-texas-secession
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 14, 2015 10:06 AM

JO753

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They'll chanje the name to Texass!

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Monday, September 14, 2015 12:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND, you and KWICKO are stellar exceptions, and I would sure hate the USA to lose people like you, but ... If most Texans wants to secede, I'd help them achieve their dream!

WISH, roughly 30% of Americans believe that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, because God created all animals and plants in their current form. About 35% of Americans are beyond stupid, they are WILLFULLY IGNORANT. What can I say? Americans have been like that for decades. Yes, it's scary, but it's nothing new.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Monday, September 14, 2015 3:16 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If most Texans wants to secede, I'd help them achieve their dream!

You won't like what happens next. The Pantex Plant is the United States' only nuclear weapons assembly facility. It is near Amarillo TEXAS! When Texas becomes a nation it will be a nuclear weaponized rogue nation.

Are you Yankees feeling fearful? You should because the South Shall Rise Again. And this time it will win.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 14, 2015 11:32 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

WISH, roughly 30% of Americans believe that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, because God created all animals and plants in their current form. About 35% of Americans are beyond stupid, they are WILLFULLY IGNORANT. What can I say? Americans have been like that for decades. Yes, it's scary, but it's nothing new.

Yes, and there are far more idiots than intelligents and it wouldn't take much. That's what's scary.

'Course, the gov't already screwed MY FAMILY over, how much worse could it get? Oh, yeah....they'll come for the rest of you... and then tell you how much better of you are for it. I think there are a whole lotta people who would sell out this country for a dollar, and I'm not sure they'd be wrong for it.

On that note...I AM still very very pissed he lost his job. I mean, we knew it was coming SOMETIME, but it still sucks. Bye bye three weeks of vacation...It would have been the first time ever for us.

Also, on that note... I have a neighbor that has a terminal disease, who has convinced Medicaid that she needs dental implants which cost about 50k... Meanwhile, while my family was out of work and two other families on this street, buying insurance would have meant about $450 a month and over a thousand for a family of four. Where do they think people should get that from????

Unemployment insurance should also cover COBRA, or at least a free clinic or something, because that's just ridiculous. I don't know anyone who could pony that up while unemployed...

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Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:09 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

On that note...I AM still very very pissed he lost his job. I mean, we knew it was coming SOMETIME, but it still sucks. ... Meanwhile, while my family was out of work and two other families on this street, buying insurance would have meant about $450 a month and over a thousand for a family of four. Where do they think people should get that from????

I saw an article that won't make you any happier, but it does explain a cure for unemployment. The cure has worked, will again work, and it will not be taken for ideological reasons.

Keynesianism Explained
September 15, 2015 9:18 am
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/15/keynesianism-explained/

Attacks on Keynesians in general, and on me in particular, rely heavily on an army of straw men — on knocking down claims about what people like me have predicted or asserted that have nothing to do with what we’ve actually said. But maybe we (or at least I) have been remiss, failing to offer a simple explanation of what it’s all about. I don’t mean the models; I mean the policy implications.

So here’s an attempt at a quick summary, followed by a sampling of typical bogus claims.

I would summarize the Keynesian view in terms of four points:

1. Economies sometimes produce much less than they could, and employ many fewer workers than they should, because there just isn’t enough spending. Such episodes can happen for a variety of reasons; the question is how to respond.

2. There are normally forces that tend to push the economy back toward full employment. But they work slowly; a hands-off policy toward depressed economies means accepting a long, unnecessary period of pain.

3. It is often possible to drastically shorten this period of pain and greatly reduce the human and financial losses by “printing money”, using the central bank’s power of currency creation to push interest rates down.

4. Sometimes, however, monetary policy loses its effectiveness, especially when rates are close to zero. In that case temporary deficit spending can provide a useful boost. And conversely, fiscal austerity in a depressed economy imposes large economic losses.

Is this a complicated, convoluted doctrine? It doesn’t sound that way to me, and the implications for the world we’ve been living in since 2008 seem very clear: aggressive monetary expansion, plus fiscal stimulus as long as the zero lower bound constrains monetary policy.

But strange things happen in the minds of critics. Again and again we see the following bogus claims about what Keynesians believe:

B1: Any economic recovery, no matter how slow and how delayed, proves Keynesian economics wrong. See [2] above for why that’s illiterate.

B2: Keynesians believe that printing money solves all problems. See [3]: printing money can solve one specific problem, an economy operating far below capacity. Nobody said that it can conjure up higher productivity, or cure the common cold.

B3: Keynesians always favor deficit spending, under all conditions. See [4]: The case for fiscal stimulus is quite restrictive, requiring both a depressed economy and severe limits to monetary policy. That just happens to be the world we’ve been living in lately.

I have no illusions that saying this obvious stuff will stop the usual suspects from engaging in the usual bogosity. But maybe this will help others respond when they do.

Comment by Michaelxyz Waldo 5 minutes ago

Most people I talk to who oppose Keynesian stimulus base that opposition on three beliefs, each stoked furiously by Fox and Friends and organizations funded by the richest amongst us. First, deficits are by definition bad. Forget the idea that deficits rise and fall, that government debt is also someone's savings, the savings paradox, and all that nonsense. They picture themselves sitting around the dining room table in hard times deciding whether Johnny can go to college. Second, these folks have had it drilled into them since Reagan's days that the government is incompetent and a negative influence on anything it touches. So the idea that the government could actually invest wisely and end up creating more value than it destroys is a non-starter. Third, the very same sources have convinced them that most government spending goes to undeserving people (largely blacks and immigrants) who should be pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps rather than sitting around watching TV and demanding government handouts. So, Paul, I'm afraid your logical reasoning is dead on arrival.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:41 AM

WISHIMAY

What ARE you trying to say?

It looks like you are saying "Just print more money, it'll all work out in the end..." ???????

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Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:50 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
What ARE you trying to say?

It looks like you are saying "Just print more money, it'll all work out in the end..." ???????

Look a second time because you are making a straw man argument. This is why the article was so scary.

I will quote the relevant part to you:

Quote:
4. Sometimes, however, monetary policy loses its effectiveness, especially when {interest} rates are close to zero. In that case temporary deficit spending {by government} can provide a useful boost. And conversely, fiscal austerity {by government} in a depressed economy imposes large economic losses {that's job losses}.

Is this a complicated, convoluted doctrine? It doesn’t sound that way to me, and the implications for the world we’ve been living in since 2008 seem very clear

If you want to know what Keynesian economics is, then wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

But if you think a big problem in the United States is that the take-home pay of the top 1 percent of the population is too low, then good luck to you and I hope a 1 percenter will magnanimously save you from unemployment with their money.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:29 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

I will quote the relevant part to you:

But if you think a big problem in the United States is that the take-home pay of the top 1 percent of the population is too low, then good luck to you and I hope a 1 percenter will magnanimously save you from unemployment with their money.

I never understand why most of you post pages and pages ANYWAY. Get to the meat of what you are trying to say and make it a little less work for the rest of us that don't get all day to spend here...

As for the 1%, what would you like me to do about it? They don't care about me and I don't care about them. I don't have any authority over who prints out what either. All most of us can do is hope to change a policy, because changing the 1% ain't gonna happen. We'd have better luck staging a coup and killing them all than we ever would changing their minds or the way they operate. People will always act like people do, like they always have since the beginning of civilizations...

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Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:20 PM

WISHIMAY

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-wertheimer/the-koch-brothers-magic-
t_b_8142424.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592&ref=yfp

This is what I keep trying to tell y'all.

Voting is a JOKE.
If you don't get that what you do DON'T MATTER A DAMN after reading this succinctly written article, you never will.

"This "experiment" in "democracy" is unheard of in American history. Two unelected private citizens with huge financial stakes in government actions and decisions are planning to control the spending of an unheard of amount of money in order to obtain the government they want.

The Supreme Court majority had no idea about the political shambles that would result from its 5 to 4 decision in Citizens United (or even worse, the Court majority did). The Court has given the country a new political system increasingly focused on billionaires, millionaires, Super PACs, corporations and nonprofit corporations."

But, hey, go vote if it makes you FEEL like you've contributed.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2015 7:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
As for the 1%, what would you like me to do about it? They don't care about me and I don't care about them. I don't have any authority over who prints out what either. All most of us can do is hope to change a policy, because changing the 1% ain't gonna happen. We'd have better luck staging a coup and killing them all than we ever would changing their minds or the way they operate. People will always act like people do, like they always have since the beginning of civilizations...

The REAL problem, WISH, isn't the government. It's the capture of the government by the top 0.01%. Since the government defines right and wrong through the passage and enforcement of laws, the ultra-wealthy have a clear interest in writing laws to benefit themselves.

Now, the FF devised a scheme by which governments COULD be under the continuous guidance of the citizenry, rather than just during the occasional revolution, and that is THE VOTE.

SOME people claim that voting is just an exercise in picking Tweedledum versus Tweedledee. If you're only thinking about the major parties, that is indeed the case most of the time. But there are two parts in the process where that doesn't occur:

During the primaries, when a much higher diversity of opinion is expressed.

The presence of third parties. Because, I don't know about where YOU come from, but where I come from there is always more than two parties on any ticket!

Now, I know that the very wealthy do their very best to influence the process, by buying advertising time and so forth. Clearly, the wealthy would like a system in which having lots and lots of $$$ works to their advantage. But - should people really be voting on their government on the same basis that they buy a laundry detergent (adverts) and with less examination than if they were buying a smart phone?

The fact that people vote against their own interests, even in the milieu where voting is so safe and easy and offers clearly-delineated POVs between the candidates, doesn't say anything badly about the system, but about the people in it. People are lazy, and they refuse to educate themselves even in the face of rather dire privation.

IMHO, I agree with KIKI- you vote your interests, and you KEEP voting your interests. The last politician didn't work out for you? Learn from you mistakes. DON'T VOTE FOR THAT PERSON OR THAT PARTY AGAIN. Vote 'em out, and KEEP voting them out. Eventually, a candidate will bubble up that represents YOU, not the top 0.01%.

Then, you get to see what the system is really like. IF they survive and take office, good on it. If not ... if the candidate dies in a small-plane crash, for example ... well then, maybe some of the more dedicated voters get to be part of a security detail for the next candidate. Or the next candidate crowd-funds a security detail themselves.

The problem isn't with "the government". And, under democracy, the problem really isn't the 0.01%.

You were right in your first post ... the problem is THE PEOPLE.

So, don't be part of the problem. Use whatever options you have available to move policy and THE PEOPLE in your direction. If you can't ... well, it's the people's fault, isn't it? So stop blaming the system.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:54 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Issued today by the Census: 1999 was the peak of real median household income in the United States for all major racial and ethnic groups.
www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/newsroom/press-kits/2015/20150916_ip
_slides.pdf

Typical baby boomer response to the Census was “What would you like me to do about it?” and “But, hey, go vote if it makes you FEEL like you've contributed.” Ever since the Greatest Generation birthed the Least Generation, the Boomers have done nothing more than hold steady on the same general heading they have been on all their lives until they crash headfirst into something immovable and die as they lived, when they will ask, “Why me?”

“You apathetic time-wasting whiners got better than you deserved,” will be the answer.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:13 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

“You apathetic time-wasting whiners got better than you deserved,” will be the answer.

Someone got it, albeit totally by accident.

Apathy.

How do you make people... CARE? Patriotism is a crutch of the weakminded. It doesn't work for our generation, and it's not going to work for the next ones.

Our generation is barraged by causes DAILY.

The world as a whole holds no meaning, unless it directly affects US.

We waste OUR time, because it's ours to waste, and it's all we have plenty of.

Older generations HAD to build to survive, we no longer HAVE to.

Until necessity becomes a driving force again, and I mean life-or-death necessity, expect the status quo.

P.S.
Who of YOU would go against $889 MILLION dollars, when you don't even know how it's spent or WHERE TO FIGHT???

Fighting blind is a cute movie trick, but it doesn't work in real life!

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Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:43 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You were right in your first post ... the problem is THE PEOPLE.

So, don't be part of the problem

Sorry, I would like to not be "people" anymore, but I settle for being a hermit

Yanno, Shakespeare got it four hundred years ago.

That whole "To be or not to be" basically says that however bad life is we’re prevented from doing anything about it by fear of the unknown.

People's fear must be greater than their comforts for an actionable event to occur.

Let me know when the Public Fear-O-meter hits "Let me put down my cellphone and DO something" and I'll join up, until then -it's just a waste of effort.

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Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:20 AM

BYTEMITE

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Polls in the last year turned up higher-than-expected support for Texas secession from the USA, up to 34 percent.

That's scary? I kinda wouldn't mind that.

If they wanted to secede, then I guess they could put into action their own ideas about immigration control without federal funding, create religious requirements and family planning institutions, and arrest as many fourteen year old clockmakers as they liked.

I need to have somebody to laugh at, and this seems as good an option as any. Let them secede, with all their nuclear weapons, and me not caring. They try to use them, the whole world will wreck them.

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Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:23 AM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
The Supreme Court majority had no idea about the political shambles that would result from its 5 to 4 decision in Citizens United (or even worse, the Court majority did)

Oh, I think they did.

Welcome to the beginning of the end. It's been fun, might as well ride that bomb to the ground.

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