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MH17 - the latest developments

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Saturday, March 21, 2015 12:12 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


For anyone who is not up to speed, most of the evidence is in now, and we can pretty much categorically say who was responsible for the shootdown of MH17 and the murder of nearly 300 mostly European civilians - Russia.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31978578
http://www.janes.com/article/50075/dutch-investigation-concludes-mh17-
downed-by-buk-missile-from-russian-battery#.VQ1kQtaZv5M.twitter

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Saturday, March 21, 2015 2:22 PM

WHOZIT


We know it was shot down, years ago the commies shot down a Korean 747, they're murdering ass holes

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Saturday, March 21, 2015 4:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


19 March 2015
The Dutch prosecutor leading the criminal case said earlier this month that a Buk missile may have hit the airliner, although it was "too early to rule out other possibilities".
In reaction to RTL's report, the Dutch Safety Board noted that the link to flight MH17 had to be demonstrated for each piece of evidence, in part because it crashed in a conflict zone.
"The investigation into the cause of the accident is ongoing and is focusing on many more sources than just the pieces of shrapnel," a statement on its website said.
"Additional material for investigation is welcome for this, but it is important that it be irrefutably demonstrated that there is a relationship between any material and the aeroplane that crashed."



The Dutch seem circumspect at the moment. They seem concerned about the "additional material's" chain of custody. If this was completely conclusive they wouldn't be looking for more evidence.
But, the official report is supposed to be out in October. It's not too long to wait. See you then.





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Saturday, March 21, 2015 5:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I hope you include Dutch officials in that. They don't seem on board at the moment.




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Saturday, March 21, 2015 7:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


G is a troll. He had his ass handed to him here.... http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=8 ... where, if he read the linked articles he would have found that his beloved Ukrainian freedom-lovers were duped by a mix of IMF hangers-on, local vulture oligarchs and unsavory Nazisv.2 And he's been on a tear ever since!

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Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And yet, no response to the linked articles - anywhere.

Well done! Like the troll you are.




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Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
For anyone who is not up to speed, most of the evidence is in now, and we can pretty much categorically say who was responsible for the shootdown of MH17 and the murder of nearly 300 mostly European civilians - Russia.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31978578
http://www.janes.com/article/50075/dutch-investigation-concludes-mh17-
downed-by-buk-missile-from-russian-battery#.VQ1kQtaZv5M.twitter
]





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Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Back to the OP

Quote:

A Dutch TV channel has provided what it calls “definitive proof” that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by a Russian-made Buk missile system. Using expert analysis of the aircraft remains and fragments of the missile that hit the aircraft, RTL News has come to its conclusion ahead of an official announcement from investigators in October.


HOWEVER
Quote:

[Official] Investigators responding to RTL’s story said that criminal investigators are still looking into the possibility that a Buk fired from the ground was responsible, but they're also entertaining the possibility that the aircraft was shot down by another aircraft.


http://www.ibtimes.com/mh17-was-shot-down-russian-missile-conclude-exp
erts-dutch-investigation-1852944


Some people (I don't know who they are) picked up some fragments (which they claimed were from the crash site) which looked like BUK missile fragments. The article isn't clear about whether chain of custody was kept. If not kept, that means anyone could bring anything in to the investigation and claim it was from the crash site. It seems a little strange that this piece of evidence would be brought to the investigators at such a late date. But, odder things have happened. The investigators need to do their work.



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Saturday, March 21, 2015 11:22 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
19 March 2015
The Dutch prosecutor leading the criminal case said earlier this month that a Buk missile may have hit the airliner, although it was "too early to rule out other possibilities".
In reaction to RTL's report, the Dutch Safety Board noted that the link to flight MH17 had to be demonstrated for each piece of evidence, in part because it crashed in a conflict zone.
"The investigation into the cause of the accident is ongoing and is focusing on many more sources than just the pieces of shrapnel," a statement on its website said.
"Additional material for investigation is welcome for this, but it is important that it be irrefutably demonstrated that there is a relationship between any material and the aeroplane that crashed."



The Dutch seem circumspect at the moment. They seem concerned about the "additional material's" chain of custody. If this was completely conclusive they wouldn't be looking for more evidence.
But, the official report is supposed to be out in October. It's not too long to wait. See you then.



Link to a cite, please.


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Sunday, March 22, 2015 12:47 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Link to a cite, please.

You lying idiot. It was from KPO's own BBC link.

Which you obviously didn't bother to read or you would have recognized it. Hey, troll - nothing like reading the OT and being prepared to discuss it! not.

Say hi to "g" in the mirror for me.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, March 23, 2015 8:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
We know it was shot down, years ago the commies shot down a Korean 747, they're murdering ass holes


Be careful with the blame on this one, if you are talking Flight KAL007. Look toward Alec Baldwin and his miscreant cellphone-crutch cretins as culprits.
Remember, the people who die because they operated their cellphones when prohibited are not alive to give you a handy PSA about the dangers of not shutting off your cellphone.

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Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:30 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


The Dutch journalist talks about his decision to remove suspect shrapnel from the MH17 wreckage and smuggle it out of the country for professional analysis:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32283378

The fragments in question have now been handed over the official investigation.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, August 23, 2015 8:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


One of the interesting things that an internet buddy of mine brought up is that a BUK missile leaves a significant contrail on launch.

Just to find out for myself, I went to Youtube and looked at BUK M1 missile launches for myself (hmmm... I wonder what the NSA thinks about THAT!) and indeed ...






Comparing that to the wisps of smoke that were tweeted which presumed to show a BUK missile launch, I have to say .... nah.... Doesn't look like it to me. Unless there's some explanation as to why nobody saw a robust contrail, it doesn't make sense that would be the weapon.




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Monday, March 28, 2016 7:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Kerry Balks at Supplying MH-17 Data [Again - SIGNYM]

Quote:

Secretary of State John Kerry has rebuffed a request from the father of the only American citizen killed aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 for Kerry to disclose the radar and other data that he cited in 2014 in claiming to know the precise location of the missile launch that allegedly downed the airliner over eastern Ukraine killing 298 people.

In a letter to Kerry dated Jan. 5, 2016, Thomas Schansman, the father of American-Dutch citizen Quinn Schansman, asked Kerry to turn over that data to aid the investigation seeking to identify who was responsible for shooting down the plane on July 17, 2014. In a letter dated March 7, 2016, but just delivered to Thomas Schansman on Thursday, Kerry expressed his condolences and repeated his claim to know where the missile launch originated, but did not provide new details.
Quinn Schansman, a dual U.S.-Dutch citizen killed aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014. (Photo from Facebook)Quinn Schansman, a dual U.S.-Dutch citizen killed aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014. (Photo from Facebook)

Quinn Schansman, a dual U.S.-Dutch citizen killed aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014. (Photo from Facebook)

Kerry wrote, “The assessment I provided to the media three days following the shoot down remains unchanged, and is corroborated by the findings of the Dutch Safety Board [DSB]. Flight 17 was shot down by a BUK surface-to-air missile fired from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine.”

But Kerry’s assertion is not entirely correct. Despite Kerry’s claim on July 20, 2014 – three days after the shoot-down – to know the location of the missile launch, the Dutch Safety Board reported last October that it could only place the likely launch site within a 320-square-kilometer area that included territory under both government and rebel control. (The safety board did not seek to identify which side fired the fateful missile.)

Why the U.S. government has dragged its heels about supplying the evidence that Kerry claimed to possess just days after the tragedy has become a secondary mystery to the allegations and counter-allegations about whodunit. That Kerry would not even elaborate on that information in response to the father of the lone American victim is even more striking.

In an email to me with Kerry’s letter attached, Thomas Schansman wrote, “the message is clear: no answer on my request to hand over satellite and/or radar data to DSB or public.”

More at

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/25/kerry-balks-at-supplying-mh-17-d
ata
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