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Ukrainian Commanding General: There are no Russian troops fighting us in the east

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Friday, January 30, 2015 7:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ukraine war chief: There are no Russian troops in Ukraine

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Ukraine’s military Chief of Staff Viktor Muzhenko admitted Russian troops have not been taking part in combat operations in the country’s East during news briefing in Kiev, Ukraine Channel 5 television reports.

MOSCOW, January 29 (Sputnik) — The chief of Ukraine’s General Military Staff Viktor Muzhenko acknowledged that Russian regular army units were not involved in combat action in the troubled Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

“Right now the Ukrainian army is not engaged in combat operations against Russian regular units,” he underscored.

Muzhenko added, however, that he had information about Russian civilian and military individuals fighting alongside independence supporters in the country’s east.
He also said the Ukrainian army had everything it needed to rout what he described as illegal armed units in Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
Speaking at the Davos economic forum on January 21, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said there were upwards of 9,000 Russian military personnel fighting on the side of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. Russia denied the charge dismissing it as a “primitive fake”.
However, the US State Department was unable to confirm these allegations. According to OSCE observers based at two border crossing points at the Russian-Ukrainian border, there had been no movement of military equipment over the border.


http://my.firedoglake.com/blog/2015/01/29/january-29th-ukrainian-comma
nding-general-admits-there-is-no-russian-invasion-of-ukraine
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Friday, February 6, 2015 2:49 PM

SIGNYM

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The Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko, is saying, in that news-report, which is dated on Thursday January 29th, that the only Russian citizens who are fighting in the contested region, are residents in that region, or of Ukraine, and also some Russian citizens (and this does not deny that perhaps some of other countries’ citizens are fighting there, inasmuch as American mercenaries have already been noted to have been participating on the Ukrainian Government’s side), who “are members of illegal armed groups,” meaning fighters who are not paid by any government, but instead are just “individual citizens” (as opposed to foreign-government-paid ones). General Muzhenko also says, emphatically, that the “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”

In other words: He is explicitly and clearly denying the very basis for the EU’s sanctions against Russia, and for the U.S.’s sanctions against Russia: all of the sanctions against Russia are based on the falsehood that Ukraine is fighting against “the regular units of the Russian army” — i.e., against the Russian-Government-controlled-and-trained fighting forces.

The allegation to the effect that Ukraine is instead fighting against “regular units of the Russian army” is the allegation that Vladimir Putin’s Russia has invaded Ukraine, and it is the entire basis for the economic sanctions that are in force against Russia.

Those sanctions should therefore be immediately removed, with apology, and with compensation being paid to all individuals who have been suffering them; and it is therefore incumbent upon the Russian Government to pursue, through all legally available channels, restitution, plus damages, against the perpetrators of that dangerous fraud — and the news reports have already made clear precisely whom those persons are, who have asserted, as public officials, what can only be considered to be major libel.

Otherwise, Ukraine’s top general should be fired, for asserting what he has just asserted.

If what General Muzhenko says is true, then he is a hero for having risked his entire career by having gone public with this courageous statement. And, if what he says is false, then he has no place heading Ukraine’s military.


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/ukrainian-government-russian-tr
oops-fighting-us.html


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Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:22 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ukraine war chief: There are no Russian troops in Ukraine

Quote:

Ukraine’s military Chief of Staff Viktor Muzhenko admitted Russian troops have not been taking part in combat operations in the country’s East during news briefing in Kiev, Ukraine Channel 5 television reports.

MOSCOW, January 29 (Sputnik) — The chief of Ukraine’s General Military Staff Viktor Muzhenko acknowledged that Russian regular army units were not involved in combat action in the troubled Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

“Right now the Ukrainian army is not engaged in combat operations against Russian regular units,” he underscored.

Muzhenko added, however, that he had information about Russian civilian and military individuals fighting alongside independence supporters in the country’s east.
He also said the Ukrainian army had everything it needed to rout what he described as illegal armed units in Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
Speaking at the Davos economic forum on January 21, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said there were upwards of 9,000 Russian military personnel fighting on the side of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. Russia denied the charge dismissing it as a “primitive fake”.
However, the US State Department was unable to confirm these allegations. According to OSCE observers based at two border crossing points at the Russian-Ukrainian border, there had been no movement of military equipment over the border.


http://my.firedoglake.com/blog/2015/01/29/january-29th-ukrainian-comma
nding-general-admits-there-is-no-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/



He you go SIG, some of your spin and denial from the not so distant past. You even started this link to spew your propaganda. Want to suggest Russian troops are not fighting in Ukraine today. Let's see the spin master(liar) at work.

Plenty more where this came from and you can count on me to remind you of it.


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Sunday, October 18, 2015 3:11 PM

SIGNYM

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If you want to see what "Russians fighting" looks like, look at Syria.

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Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:24 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want to see what "Russians fighting" looks like, look at Syria.

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You say that almost pridefully. I know this can't be the case because everyone here knows your loyalty lies with Russia but you're to ashamed of their status in the world to admit it. That and I would say it's easy to fight civilians i.e. women and children who don't have much in the way of munitions.


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Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:09 PM

1KIKI

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Whatever.

THUGGR
Humanitarian. (snicker)

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58208&p=5




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Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:17 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Whatever.

THUGGR
Humanitarian. (snicker)

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58208&p=5




Not an argument against my claim just a snicker. It must be hard to be so ashamed of Russia that you won't claim it as your own. You only being willing to hide behind lies is representative of Russia as a whole. It really is quite sad.


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Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yeah, whatever.

THUGR, if you read the article CAREFULLY, the general (who was from the KIEV side of the line) was saying the same thing as I was: there (jn his view) no REGULAR RUSSIAN TROOPS in eastern Ukraine. Think about it. Roll each word around in your mind, and think about who ELSE could have been in eastern Ukraine aside from "regular Russian troops".

Now, I quoted this person (who, may I remind you, was from the Kiev side of the line) to provide balance to the outlandish claims by Kiev politicians that there were 50,000 Russian troops in eastern Ukraine, and from NATO that there were 10,000 Russian troops in Ukraine.

When I have an opinion, I state my opinion. This general does not express my opinion, he's expressing his own.

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Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:32 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, whatever.

THUGR, if you read the article CAREFULLY, the general (who was from the KIEV side of the line) was saying the same thing as I was: there (jn his view) no REGULAR RUSSIAN TROOPS in eastern Ukraine. Think about it. Roll each word around in your mind, and think about who ELSE could have been in eastern Ukraine aside from "regular Russian troops".

Now, I quoted this person (who, may I remind you, was from the Kiev side of the line) to provide balance to the outlandish claims by Kiev politicians that there were 50,000 Russian troops in eastern Ukraine, and from NATO that there were 10,000 Russian troops in Ukraine.

When I have an opinion, I state my opinion. This general does not express my opinion, he's expressing his own.

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No let's stick to the fact that you and 1kiki are so ashamed of your Russia you refuse to acknowledge your connection. That says more than anything you could post denying their atrocities. It's obvious now your shame is why you guys post the way you do.

Shame, a painful feeling of humiliation or distress caused by the consciousness of wrong or foolish behavior:

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Monday, October 19, 2015 8:14 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want to see what "Russians fighting" looks like, look at Syria.


Killing civilians indiscriminately, and driving thousands from their homes - yeah that sounds about right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34570938

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, October 19, 2015 10:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



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If you want to see what "Russians fighting" looks like, look at Syria.-SIGNY

Killing civilians indiscriminately, and driving thousands from their homes - yeah that sounds about right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34570938
- KPO



I don't accept that information, it's a wildly unreliable site which has been found to publish lies and distort facts.

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Monday, October 19, 2015 10:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Yeah, whatever.

THUGR, if you read the article CAREFULLY, the general (who was from the KIEV side of the line) was saying the same thing as I was: there (jn his view) no REGULAR RUSSIAN TROOPS in eastern Ukraine. Think about it. Roll each word around in your mind, and think about who ELSE could have been in eastern Ukraine aside from "regular Russian troops".

Now, I quoted this person (who, may I remind you, was from the Kiev side of the line) to provide balance to the outlandish claims by Kiev politicians that there were 50,000 Russian troops in eastern Ukraine, and from NATO that there were 10,000 Russian troops in Ukraine.

When I have an opinion, I state my opinion. This general does not express my opinion, he's expressing his own. - SIGNY

No let's stick to the fact that you and 1kiki are so ashamed of your Russia you refuse to acknowledge your connection [to Russia]= THUGR



Yanno, the more and more you post that delusion, the less and less sane you look.

Here's some evidence that I'm not some sort of Russian bot .... something you should have looked at yourself: I've been posting here since 2002

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=13&tid=855&mid=685
6#6856


... Long before Ukraine or Russia or Putin ever bubbled up in that paranoid and loosely-associated stew that you have for a brain. Well over a decade before you ever started posting here. And pretty much saying the same thing all along... altho I HAVE gotten a a lot more disgusted with the Democratic Party since then.

So, here are some possible ways to resolve your delusion:

1) I've been a Russian plant all along. That devilishly-clever Putin, knowing that he was going to "invade" Ukraine, planted me at this website as part of his very long-term plan to snare science-fiction fans into his POV.

2) I am who I've said all along: An American who is outraged at our government's violent, corrupt, and self-destructive world and internal policies. And you're just a paranoid nut-job who has somehow never encountered real disagreement before, and absolutely can't handle it. And maybe you post drunk. Who knows?

3) Given the recency of your entrance to this website (Ukraine), YOU'RE an NSA wet-bot whose thankless task it is to track down and attempt to discredit every possible source of disagreement on the web, even on obscure scifi websites like this one.


Given your extreme idiocy, if #3 is your task then you should be fired. And because you're so ineffective and your posts are so pointless, I assume the situation is #2: You're just extremely and (at this point) willfully ignorant.

So if you want to look like you have at least one oar in the water, maybe you should stop posting such ridiculous "facts"! Or, not. Maybe you really DO want to discredit yourself! Like I said: Who knows? But I'm not going to try and save you from yourself.

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Monday, October 19, 2015 6:29 PM

THGRRI


it's absolutely obvious where your loyalties lie; Russia. The link you provided about how long you have been a Firefly fan is meaningless. You spew nothing but Russian propaganda and deny anything that challenges what they are about and what they are doing around the globe that is seen negatively.

If you really believed in Russia and were not embarrassed by their standing in the world, and how they act, you would own up to your ties to Russia.


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Monday, October 19, 2015 8:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



THUGGER
Not an argument against my claim just a snicker. It must be hard to be so ashamed of Russia that you won't claim it as your own. You only being willing to hide behind lies is representative of Russia as a whole. It really is quite sad.



1kiki:
Whatever.
THUGGR
Humanitarian. (snicker)
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58208&p=5




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Monday, October 19, 2015 9:02 PM

SIGNYM

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You spew nothing but Russian propaganda
Uh huh. And you know this - how? Because you've read all of my past posts, and know what they consist of??? You know what Russian propaganda is to make a comparison? (BTW, I would be very careful of global claims that include words like "nothing", "everything", "always", "never". It's like I tell my hubby - who likes to make universal sweeping statements ... "never" is a long, long time)

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...you would own up to your ties to Russia.
I can't "own up" to something that doesn't exist. I have no idea what you think "those ties" would be: Ancestral? Linguistic? Monetary?

But keep hallucinating! Or being an NSA wet-bot, or whatever it is that you think you're doing.

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Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:48 AM

THGRRI



Russian Firewood Initiative Raises A Burning Question

"Among villagers the charity says need help are elderly people who live alone, large families, and people with disabilities. "For those who live in a village and have no money to buy firewood, winter turns into a struggle for survival," claims the initiative's website."

"Somewhere in between news reports about the greatness of the country under the guidance of a wise ruler and about an entire population in union demanding to send troops to Ukraine and Syria, [the TV channel] is involved in this charity event," Navalny wrote on his blog.

The opposition leader, whose investigations recently revealed a $620,000 pricetag on Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov's watch and the estimated cost of Peskov's purported honeymoon on a luxurious yacht, the Maltese Falcon, suggested an easier way for the government to help the needy stay warm in winter.

Navalny estimated that Peskov's watch could have bought 7,400 truckloads of firewood, and one week's vacation aboard the Maltese Falcon yacht could buy 5,200 truckloads."

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-firewood-initiative/27316413.html



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