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The King is Dead (AKA Strange Bedfellows)

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Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is dead and Western leaders display outward signs of mourning. This would have to be one of the most repressive states in the world, so why do we declare ISIS an enemy and Saudi Arabia a friend?

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King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, who ruled since 2005, has died at a time of serious regional unrest – political, economic and social. He presided over a regime that has a zero tolerance approach to dissent, peaceful or not. For expressing opinions critical of the political system or the religious establishment, thousands have been prosecuted, detained, banned from travel, or – as in the case of 11 members of a civil rights organisation working to end arbitrary detention and calling for a constitutional monarchy – given lengthy prison sentences .

But western leaders have always seen Abdullah as a friend. In fact the head of the International Monetary Fund, Christine Lagarde, said of him: “In a very discreet way he was a strong advocate of women” – despite the fact that two Saudi women drivers’ activists have been held in prisons since early December on terror-related charges of using social media to incite public opinions and defame the country.

There’s little sign that human rights in the country are improving. Waleed Abul-Khair – the lawyer for Raif Badawi, who has been publicly flogged – was sentenced to 15 years in prison for setting up an independent human rights organisation, under a new law concerning communication with international organisations, questioning the religious scripture or atheism as an act of terror.

The absolute monarchy of Saudi Arabia means in theory that the king holds sole power over appointing any official or deciding any policy: in all senses a guardian over his subjects. So he should be solely responsible for any violations of people’s rights.

In reality, the king delegates powers: domestically to the minister of interior, and internationally to the foreign minister. This dissection of powers can leave observers puzzled. While rights have been restricted internally, in foreign affairs we’ve seen the walk with world leaders in Paris this month to condemn violence against free speech; an alliance with western countries to fight Islamic State in Iraq and Syria; the establishment of a world-class centre for inter-faith dialogue; and a prominent position on the UN women’s council.
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But these gestures have not helped Saudi women. The few in senior positions have limited authority, and female employment is one of the lowest in the world. Moreover, the means of travel for women is restricted, and their freedom in general is severely controlled by the country’s system of guardianship.

The political hierarchy – and Salman, the new king, in particular – argue that if moves to democracy and modernisation are too quick, it would unsettle the country’s dominant religious and ethnic structure. Within hours of his accession to the throne, Salman declared: “We will continue adhering to the correct policies that Saudi Arabia has followed since its establishment.”

The new deputy crown prince, Muhammad bin Nayef– now second in line to the throne – has been hailed by the US as the engineer of the rehabilitation programme for militant religious extremists. But the root causes of extremism are obvious: people who are denied shared participation and representation in their own country are fleeing to conflict-stricken nations to escape persecution. And Nayef’s increased influence is particularly concerning. He has been responsible for interrogation, imprisonment or travel bans for key liberals and reformers.

Despite this he’s faced little international censure: indeed, within days of the imprisonment of two activists for defying the ban on women driving, President Obama received Nayef in the Oval Office. Ironically, according to a White House statement on the event, the two met to discuss how to “delegitimise Isil’s extremist ideology”.

Nayef, now arguably the most powerful man in Saudi Arabia, is shrewd in how he presents himself. To the outside world he is a progressive, gently tugging a backward and ultra-conservative population into the 21st century. He speaks fluent English and has been trained at both the FBI and Scotland Yard.

But within Saudi Arabia he is an old-world dictator. Citizens are not allowed to be in the same room as him. When women activists last year attempted to meet him they were led into an empty room with a two-way camera and a huge television screen on which they briefly saw and spoke with him.

The prince’s strategy is to maintain a low civil rights ceiling, while strengthening and reinforcing a pact with the religious establishment: the government keeps the people in the mosques in return for the mosques safeguarding the absolute monarchy. Sadly, his strategy seems to be working.
*This article was co-written by a woman blogger based in Saudi Arabia. She fears prosecution for contributing to this article and wishes to remain anonymous



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/24/king-abdullah-sau
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Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:59 PM

THGRRI


Wow, that's a good question as well as one it would take a paper to address. I will have to try and think of a simpler way to answer that and get back to you.

I will leave you with this thought. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and the United states have a common enemy. A country in the Middle East that poses a great threat to the world not just the region in their desire to develop a nuclear weapon. That said WW11 was only 65 or so years ago. That means not a lot of outside influences to propel change. It takes time and what most do not understand is you are talking about trying to change a way of life that revolves entirely around religion and has changed little in a thousand years.


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Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:58 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Didn't he say he would work on getting women the freedom to drive ?

I mean, sure ... he was KING, after all, but he did say he would CONSIDER it, right ?

Sounds like a very hip and progressive sort of guy, don't it ?

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Monday, January 26, 2015 11:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Saudi Arabia, not jihadists, leads the world in beheadings. But it kind of makes sense that the two groups share barbaric punishments, seeing as Saudi Arabia has funded wahhabism (radical Islam) for decades. Like father, like son, I guess.

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Monday, January 26, 2015 12:52 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Didn't he say he would work on getting women the freedom to drive ?

I mean, sure ... he was KING, after all, but he did say he would CONSIDER it, right ?

Sounds like a very hip and progressive sort of guy, don't it ?


Letting Saudi women drive would be very dangerous. The eye slits in their burkas severely reduce peripheral vision, creating too many blind spots. And forget about parallel parking in one of those things.

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Monday, January 26, 2015 3:31 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Saudi Arabia, not jihadists, leads the world in beheadings. But it kind of makes sense that the two groups share barbaric punishments, seeing as Saudi Arabia has funded wahhabism (radical Islam) for decades. Like father, like son, I guess.



They've taught them everything they know. Literally.

But they've got oil, so fuck democratic values and freedom, hey?

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