REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Small engine packs a punch

POSTED BY: 1KIKI
UPDATED: Thursday, December 11, 2014 22:13
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 2850
PAGE 1 of 1

Monday, December 8, 2014 3:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Startup’s rotary engine, based on novel thermodynamics, is lighter, quieter, more efficient than counterparts.

Rob Matheson | MIT News Office
December 5, 2014

Noise, excessive vibration, and relative inefficiency are drawbacks of the piston-based internal combustion engines (ICE) that power today’s lawn and garden equipment, such as leaf blowers and lawn trimmers.

But now MIT startup LiquidPiston has developed a rotary ICE that it says is significantly smaller, lighter, and quieter, as well as 20 percent more fuel-efficient than the ICEs used in many such small-engine devices.

“If you think of handheld tools — for example, a chain saw or hedge trimmer — after about a half hour you don’t want to use it anymore because your hand feels like it’s going to fall off,” says Alexander Shkolnik PhD ’10, president of LiquidPiston and co-inventor of the engine. “Our engine has no vibration at all and it’s a lot quieter. It should be a much nicer user experience all around.”

LiquidPiston’s 70-cubic-centimeter engine, the X Mini, produces about 3.5 horsepower at 10,000 RPM; at 4 pounds, it’s also about 30 percent smaller than the four-stroke, 50-cubic-centimeter piston ICEs it aims to replace. When fully complete, Shkolnik says, the X Mini could churn out about 5 horsepower at 15,000 revolutions per minute, and weigh 3 pounds.

The engine runs the novel high-efficiency hybrid cycle (HEHC) — developed by Shkolnik and his physicist father, Nikolay — that achieves combustion at constant volume and overexpansion for greater energy extraction. With only two moving parts, a rotor and shaft, and no poppet valves — commonly used in other four-stroke ICEs to control fuel intake — the engine also has reduced noise, vibration, and harshness characteristics, Shkolnik says.

Initial applications will be handheld lawn and garden equipment, Shkolnik says. But the engine can be scaled and modified for other applications, including mopeds, drones, marine power equipment, robotics, range extenders, and auxiliary power units for boats, planes, and other vehicles. The company has also demonstrated proof-of-concept for high-efficiency diesel versions of the engine, including the 70-horsepower X1 and the 40-horsepower X2, for generator and other applications. The company hopes to eventually develop small diesel versions of the X Mini engine for military applications.

“If you look at a 3-kilowatt military generator, it’s a 270-pound gorilla that takes five people to move around,” Shkolnik says. “You can imagine if we can make that into a 15-pound device, it’s pretty revolutionary for them.”

Shkolnik presented a paper on both the X2 and X Mini on Nov. 19 at the Society of Automotive Engineers’ 2014 Small Engine Technology Conference and Exhibition in Italy.

An inverse Wankel

The X Mini is essentially an upgrade in design and efficiency of the compact Wankel rotary engine, invented in the 1950s and used today in sports cars, boats, and some aircraft.

In the Wankel, a rounded triangle rotor spins in an eccentric orbit within an oval chamber, with each rotation producing three power strokes — where the engine generates force. In the X Mini, an oval rotor spins within a modified, rounded triangular housing.

“We’ve inverted everything about the traditional rotary engine, and now we can execute this new thermodynamic cycle [HEHC] and solve all the problems that were plaguing the traditional Wankel engine” for small-engine applications, Shkolnik says.

A Wankel engine, for instance, uses a long combustion chamber (like a thin crescent moon), which contributes to poor fuel economy — as the flame can’t reach trailing edges of the chamber and gets quenched by the chamber’s large surface area. The X Mini’s combustion chamber is rounder and fatter, so the flame burns over less surface area.

Air and fuel intake and gas exhaust in the X Mini occur through two ports in the rotor, opened or closed as the rotor revolves, removing the need for valves. Asymmetrical location of these ports slightly delays the exhaust process during expansion. This allows for HEHC’s overexpansion process — from the Atkinson thermodynamic cycle, used in some hybrid cars — where gas is expanded in the chamber until there’s no pressure, allowing the engine more time to extract energy from fuel. This design also accommodates HEHC’s “constant volume combustion” — from the Otto thermodynamic cycle, used in spark-ignition piston engines — where compressed gas is held in the chamber for an extended period, letting the air and fuel mix and ignite completely before expanding, resulting in increased expansion pressures and higher efficiency.

“It takes a long time to burn fuel in an engine,” Shkolnik says. “In most engines, by the time you’re burning fuel, you’re expanding gases, and you’re losing efficiency from the combustion process. We keep combusting while the rotor is at the top of the chamber and force combustion under those conditions. It’s much more efficient that way.”

Additionally, the X Mini has relocated the apex seals, leading to decreased oil consumption. In Wankels, apex seals join the edges of the triangular rotor, where they slide and move. Lubricating them requires supplying the air-fuel mixture with large amounts of oil that burns and leaks, increasing emissions and oil consumption. In the X Mini, however, these seals are located in the triangular-shaped housing that stays put. “Now we can supply tiny amounts of oil through the stationary housing, exactly how much oil the seal needs, and you’re not burning any oil and you’re not losing any oil to the environment,” Shkolnik says.

LiquidPiston’s “roadmap”

An interest in robotics and artificial intelligence led Shkolnik to MIT as a PhD student in electrical engineering and computer science in 2003. That year, Nikolay Shkolnik filed his first HEHC patent, and his son learned about the MIT $50K Entrepreneurship Competition (now $100K) in a class that focused on tech entrepreneurship. They teamed up with students at the MIT Sloan School of Management to create a business plan and pitch an HEHC engine in the 2004 competition, where they took home the $10,000 runner-up prize to launch LiquidPiston.

The competition itself proved helpful to the father-and-son entrepreneurs — who, at that point, had no startup experience. In building a detailed business plan and learning how to explain their technology to investors, “It really showed us a roadmap for what to do and we were forced to think through a lot about issues we were going to face,” Shkolnik says.

Over the next six years, Shkolnik helped his father develop the LiquidPiston engine out of the family garage, using skills he honed in MIT’s Robot Locomotion Group, led by Russell Tedrake, an associate professor of electrical engineering and computer science. “It was a lot of optimization, and control, and simulations, and modeling,” he says. “All those same techniques are applicable to designing an engine.”

Shkolnik attributes much of LiquidPiston’s development to the extended MIT community. During the $50K, venture capitalist Bill Frezza ’76, SM ’78 mentored the team; his firm then became an early investor. MIT Sloan team members Brian Roughan MBA ’05, Jennifer Andrews Burke MBA ’05, and Vikram Sahney MBA ’05 conducted market research, wrote the business plan, worked on business development, and pitched the company to investors.

Mentors from MIT’s Venture Mentoring Service (VMS) — including the late Dave Staelin, who founded the VMS — also guided LiquidPiston’s growth, offering advice on product development, hiring, and seeking venture capital. (So far, the company has earned more than $15 million in funding.)

In 2006, after analyzing dozens of engine iterations, LiquidPiston earned a $70,000 military grant to produce an initial diesel-engine prototype. (Today, LiquidPiston has analyzed and patented about 60 different engine designs to embody HEHC.)

Due to overwhelming feedback from power equipment manufacturers — calling for lighter, quieter, vibration-free engines — LiquidPiston recently pivoted to the X Mini, which it developed and released in the last six months. The company has now received interest from potential customers, and is speaking to engine manufacturers interested in licensing the X Mini technology.

“In addition to improving existing engine applications,” Shkolnik explains, “the X Mini may enable entirely new applications not currently possible with current engine or battery technology.”

Early next year, the company plans to host a competition to solicit ideas from the public surrounding these new uses for the X Mini. “We want to get the creative juices flowing and open up to the wider community to see if there’s something interesting,” Shkolnik says.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, December 8, 2014 3:22 PM

WHOZIT


MAZDA tried it in the early 70's.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Monday, December 8, 2014 4:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



"MAZDA tried it in the early 70's."

I see you didn't read the article. If you had, you'd understand how stupid your comment is. So, yeah, flaunt your stupidity for all to see. At this point I don't think you could damage your reputation too much further.

And have a nice warm bagel with cream on it while you're at it.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:12 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

"MAZDA tried it in the early 70's."

I see you didn't read the article. If you had, you'd understand how stupid your comment is. So, yeah, flaunt your stupidity for all to see. At this point I don't think you could damage your reputation too much further.

And have a nice warm bagel with cream on it while you're at it.


His comment was valid, and your article didn't address the problems of the wankel rotary engine, or how the problems would be avoided or inapplicable.

I enjoyed my RX-7 greatly - it was my favorite car until the fun car I own now. But the combustion pressure seals are also the bearing seals. The high rpms cause deterioration of these same seals, and the maintenance required to repair these seals is precise - for the military these would almost need to be throw-away units.
Mazda reduced their rpms from over 10,000 down to 8,000 in my 1982 RX7, to allow the engine to last longer.

So, have these problems been resolved, or are they unapplicable? I did not find the answer in the post you made.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:54 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So, have these problems been resolved, or are they inapplicable? I did not find the answer in the post you made.

There is this: Time between overhaul = 3 hours for X Mini Alpha Prototype November 2014
http://liquidpiston.com/wp-content/uploads/LiquidPiston-XMini-Specific
ations.pdf


They got years of work ahead before you can buy that engine for a weed-eater.
Or Mazda sports car.
http://liquidpiston.com/technology/x-mini-gasoline/
http://liquidpiston.com/technology/x-engines-diesel/




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So, have these problems been resolved, or are they inapplicable? I did not find the answer in the post you made.

There is this: Time between overhaul = 3 hours for X Mini Alpha Prototype November 2014
http://liquidpiston.com/wp-content/uploads/LiquidPiston-XMini-Specific
ations.pdf


They got years of work ahead before you can buy that engine for a weed-eater.
Or Mazda sports car.
http://liquidpiston.com/technology/x-mini-gasoline/
http://liquidpiston.com/technology/x-engines-diesel/


3 Hours between Overhauls?
Even 100 hours between OVERHAULS is barely 4 days.
And the 1,000 hours on the model with 3 detonations per revolution is less than 42 days between OVERHAULS. That will suit the military wonderfully.
Is there anything more useless that Kuukuu could post about?

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:50 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

3 Hours between Overhauls?
Even 100 hours between OVERHAULS is barely 4 days.
And the 1,000 hours on the model with 3 detonations per revolution is less than 42 days between OVERHAULS. That will suit the military wonderfully.
Is there anything more useless that Kuukuu could post about?

That x-mini engine is sized for a push lawnmower or a weed-eater. One thousand hours of life is not enough if the engine is used by a commercial lawn service, but it is about right for homeowners. And if the x-mini engine is quieter and puts out less stink than a 4 cycle engine, it would revolutionize the front yard grass! Just think of a Roombot robot pushing your lawnmower and edging your driveway and sidewalk. You'd be living the life of the Jetsons.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

His comment was valid, and your article didn't address the problems of the wankel rotary engine, or how the problems would be avoided or inapplicable.

I enjoyed my RX-7 greatly - it was my favorite car until the fun car I own now. But the combustion pressure seals are also the bearing seals. The high rpms cause deterioration of these same seals, and the maintenance required to repair these seals is precise - for the military these would almost need to be throw-away units.
Mazda reduced their rpms from over 10,000 down to 8,000 in my 1982 RX7, to allow the engine to last longer.

So, have these problems been resolved, or are they unapplicable? I did not find the answer in the post you made.



Not applicable - for a start:

"An inverse Wankel

In the Wankel, a rounded triangle rotor spins in an eccentric orbit within an oval chamber, with each rotation producing three power strokes — where the engine generates force. In the X Mini, an oval rotor spins within a modified, rounded triangular housing.

“We’ve inverted everything about the traditional rotary engine, and now we can execute this new thermodynamic cycle [HEHC] and solve all the problems that were plaguing the traditional Wankel engine” for small-engine applications, Shkolnik says.

A Wankel engine, for instance, uses a long combustion chamber (like a thin crescent moon), which contributes to poor fuel economy — as the flame can’t reach trailing edges of the chamber and gets quenched by the chamber’s large surface area. The X Mini’s combustion chamber is rounder and fatter, so the flame burns over less surface area.

Air and fuel intake and gas exhaust in the X Mini occur through two ports in the rotor, opened or closed as the rotor revolves, removing the need for valves. Asymmetrical location of these ports slightly delays the exhaust process during expansion. This allows for HEHC’s overexpansion process — from the Atkinson thermodynamic cycle, used in some hybrid cars — where gas is expanded in the chamber until there’s no pressure, allowing the engine more time to extract energy from fuel. This design also accommodates HEHC’s “constant volume combustion” — from the Otto thermodynamic cycle, used in spark-ignition piston engines — where compressed gas is held in the chamber for an extended period, letting the air and fuel mix and ignite completely before expanding, resulting in increased expansion pressures and higher efficiency.

“It takes a long time to burn fuel in an engine,” Shkolnik says. “In most engines, by the time you’re burning fuel, you’re expanding gases, and you’re losing efficiency from the combustion process. We keep combusting while the rotor is at the top of the chamber and force combustion under those conditions. It’s much more efficient that way.”

Additionally, the X Mini has relocated the apex seals, leading to decreased oil consumption. In Wankels, apex seals join the edges of the triangular rotor, where they slide and move. Lubricating them requires supplying the air-fuel mixture with large amounts of oil that burns and leaks, increasing emissions and oil consumption. In the X Mini, however, these seals are located in the triangular-shaped housing that stays put. “Now we can supply tiny amounts of oil through the stationary housing, exactly how much oil the seal needs, and you’re not burning any oil and you’re not losing any oil to the environment,” Shkolnik says. "





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Its amazing. I think its likely to replace piston enjinz.

It looks alot like the Wankel, but its fundamentaly different and better.

But I'm wondering if it may hav shown up too late. If you figure electric carz are only at the beginning uv their refinement prosess and are alredy competativ with ICE powered carz, where will they be in 10 & 20 yirz?

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:42 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Its amazing. I think its likely to replace piston enjinz.

It looks alot like the Wankel, but its fundamentaly different and better.

But I'm wondering if it may hav shown up too late. If you figure electric carz are only at the beginning uv their refinement prosess and are alredy competativ with ICE powered carz, where will they be in 10 & 20 yirz?

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

Mechanical changes much slower than electronic because it's harder to engineer. And less driven by fashions. Significant technology shifts take decades. Here is one that you might not notice: the scroll compressor. There is a slow shift from pistons to rotary compressor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_compressor




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:38 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


I wunder if there are air compressorz that uze the scroll. It looks like it coud be cheaper than pistonz.

Rotary compressorz hav been around a long time, but theyv alwayz been much more expensiv.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:21 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I wunder if there are air compressorz that uze the scroll. It looks like it coud be cheaper than pistonz.

Too many choices for scroll air compressors:
www.directindustry.com/industrial-manufacturer/scroll-compressor-74710
.html

www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=
&SearchText=scroll+air+compressor

http://airsquared.com/
www.hitachi-america.us/ice/atg/products/srl/
www.powerexinc.com/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

His comment was valid, and your article didn't address the problems of the wankel rotary engine, or how the problems would be avoided or inapplicable.

I enjoyed my RX-7 greatly - it was my favorite car until the fun car I own now. But the combustion pressure seals are also the bearing seals. The high rpms cause deterioration of these same seals, and the maintenance required to repair these seals is precise - for the military these would almost need to be throw-away units.
Mazda reduced their rpms from over 10,000 down to 8,000 in my 1982 RX7, to allow the engine to last longer.

So, have these problems been resolved, or are they unapplicable? I did not find the answer in the post you made.



Not applicable - for a start:

"An inverse Wankel

In the Wankel, a rounded triangle rotor spins in an eccentric orbit within an oval chamber, with each rotation producing three power strokes — where the engine generates force. In the X Mini, an oval rotor spins within a modified, rounded triangular housing.

“We’ve inverted everything about the traditional rotary engine, and now we can execute this new thermodynamic cycle [HEHC] and solve all the problems that were plaguing the traditional Wankel engine” for small-engine applications, Shkolnik says.

A Wankel engine, for instance, uses a long combustion chamber (like a thin crescent moon), which contributes to poor fuel economy — as the flame can’t reach trailing edges of the chamber and gets quenched by the chamber’s large surface area. The X Mini’s combustion chamber is rounder and fatter, so the flame burns over less surface area.

Air and fuel intake and gas exhaust in the X Mini occur through two ports in the rotor, opened or closed as the rotor revolves, removing the need for valves. Asymmetrical location of these ports slightly delays the exhaust process during expansion. This allows for HEHC’s overexpansion process — from the Atkinson thermodynamic cycle, used in some hybrid cars — where gas is expanded in the chamber until there’s no pressure, allowing the engine more time to extract energy from fuel. This design also accommodates HEHC’s “constant volume combustion” — from the Otto thermodynamic cycle, used in spark-ignition piston engines — where compressed gas is held in the chamber for an extended period, letting the air and fuel mix and ignite completely before expanding, resulting in increased expansion pressures and higher efficiency.

“It takes a long time to burn fuel in an engine,” Shkolnik says. “In most engines, by the time you’re burning fuel, you’re expanding gases, and you’re losing efficiency from the combustion process. We keep combusting while the rotor is at the top of the chamber and force combustion under those conditions. It’s much more efficient that way.”

Additionally, the X Mini has relocated the apex seals, leading to decreased oil consumption. In Wankels, apex seals join the edges of the triangular rotor, where they slide and move. Lubricating them requires supplying the air-fuel mixture with large amounts of oil that burns and leaks, increasing emissions and oil consumption. In the X Mini, however, these seals are located in the triangular-shaped housing that stays put. “Now we can supply tiny amounts of oil through the stationary housing, exactly how much oil the seal needs, and you’re not burning any oil and you’re not losing any oil to the environment,” Shkolnik says. "


I still do not see the problem of pressure seals addressed.
The seals on the rotary shaft (named crank shafts in piston engines) at the ends of the shaft housing, where the bearings are. The higher rpms tend to wreck the seals, and then the bearings, and those seals also are integral to the compression chamber. That is where the extra wear is, and where the extra precise maintenance is required, to repair or replace those seals and bearings.
The above mentions the Apex seals, which were the rotor tips on the Wankel, and are merely the reverse on this new one, so they are on the walls of the chamber, and thus more easily lubricated.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:02 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Thanks, second.



----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:13 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Instead of "X% better... Y% better..." I'd like to see the actual dyno curves for horsepower and torque. I've looked for them on the LiquidPiston site and can't find them. There's a video of a dyno run, but the data screen is unreadable.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Thu, April 18, 2024 05:08 - 6256 posts
Elections; 2024
Thu, April 18, 2024 04:57 - 2263 posts
Biden's a winner, Trumps a loser. Hey Jack, I Was Right
Thu, April 18, 2024 00:50 - 147 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Wed, April 17, 2024 23:58 - 1005 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Wed, April 17, 2024 23:29 - 3529 posts
Sentencing Thread
Wed, April 17, 2024 22:02 - 364 posts
With apologies to JSF: Favorite songs (3)
Wed, April 17, 2024 20:05 - 50 posts
Share of Democratic Registrations Is Declining, but What Does It Mean?
Wed, April 17, 2024 17:51 - 4 posts
I'm surprised there's not an inflation thread yet
Tue, April 16, 2024 21:17 - 740 posts
Grifter Donald Trump Has Been Indicted And Yes Arrested; Four Times Now And Counting. Hey Jack, I Was Right
Tue, April 16, 2024 20:24 - 795 posts
I agree with everything you said, but don't tell anyone I said that
Tue, April 16, 2024 12:42 - 14 posts
Punishing Russia With Sanctions
Tue, April 16, 2024 02:04 - 504 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL