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Remembrance Day

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Monday, November 10, 2014 3:23 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Today is the 11 of November which is Remembrance Day. It is also one year to the day that my father died.

Remembrance Day (also known as Poppy Day) is a memorial day observed in Commonwealth of Nations member states since the end of the First World War to remember the members of their armed forces who have died in the line of duty. The day, specifically designated by King George V on 7 November 1919,[1] or alternative dates, are also recognised as special days for war remembrances in many non-Commonwealth countries. Remembrance Day is observed on 11 November to recall the end of hostilities of World War I on that date in 1918. Hostilities formally ended "at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month", in accordance with the armistice signed by representatives of Germany and the Entente between 5:12 and 5:20 that morning. ("At the 11th hour" refers to the passing of the 11th hour, or 11:00 am.) The First World War officially ended with the signing of the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919.[2]

The memorial evolved out of Armistice Day, which continues to be marked on the same date. The initial Armistice Day was observed at Buckingham Palace, commencing with King George V hosting a "Banquet in Honour of the President of the French Republic"[3] during the evening hours of 10 November 1919. The first official Armistice Day was subsequently held on the grounds of Buckingham Palace the following morning.

The red remembrance poppy has become a familiar emblem of Remembrance Day due to the poem In Flanders Fields. These poppies bloomed across some of the worst battlefields of Flanders in World War I, their brilliant red colour became a symbol for the blood spilled in the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day

In Flanders Fields

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place, and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard among the guns below.

We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe;
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

- John McRae

In the Shrine of Remembrance in my city (Melbourne) you can find the Stone of Remembrance.



Sunk into the centre of the Sanctuary floor like a grave, the Stone of Remembrance is a potent reminder of the sacrifice made by Victorian service men and women. The inscription GREATER LOVE HATH NO MAN is taken from the Bible, the Gospel of John, 15:13.

At 11am on the 11th day of the 11th month, the sunlight shines on the word 'Love' on the stone. I think that's really pretty special.






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Monday, November 10, 2014 3:39 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Lest we forget.

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Monday, November 10, 2014 6:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Tomorrow, on 11 November, America celebrates it as Veterans Day.

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Monday, November 10, 2014 10:22 PM

JONGSSTRAW


One small way you might try considering to honor and respect your veterans would be to make an effort to at least spell the name of the holiday correctly. I mean WTF?

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Rembrance Day

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Rememberance Day

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:31 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magon's

My father was a veteran. Unlike so many who've fought on foreign soil for obscure strategic reasons decided by only partly-sane old men, he fought for his own country and his own home and family on his own land. That kind of fighting makes sense to me. So much other fighting doesn't. I can't see revering bloodshed for its own sake. In any case, his favorite saying was "no greater love". He loved his country and he did his best. He was willing to lay down his life if it came to that. Unfortunately, like many others who came out the other side, it ruined many things about him, The future he had planned and was working for, and a basic sense of safety. He suffered from PTSD which plagued him to the end of his life. I honor him, and people like him. I don't honor the braggarts and adventurers, the gullible and myopic, the tools and fools. If there is honor in war, then I think it comes from the honor you bring with you. From the reason you're there. He was an honorable man. It's a very rare quantity, I've found.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:14 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Indeed, Ikiki. Your father sounds a rare man.

One other aspect of Remembrance Day and the Lest We Forget is that people do forget, CONSTANTLY. We remember the fallen of one pointless useless war and then get involved in another, and another.

WW1. What the fuck was that about anyway? 16 million dead. A generation decimated. For what? The death or an obscure archduke in an obscure country. It was a family spat that got out of control, a powerful family mind.

And the Treaty of Versaille, punative and unfair, cut the balls off Germany and paved the way for the fanaticism of the Nazis.

And despite the beautiful, terrible words of Wildred Owen



Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares(2) we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest(3) began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots(4)
Of tired, outstripped(5) Five-Nines(6) that dropped behind.
Gas!(7) Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets(8) just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime(9) . . .
Dim, through the misty panes(10) and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering,(11) choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud(12)
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest(13)
To children ardent(14) for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.(15)

the propaganda machine spits out the same old adage, the same old lie, that war is honourable, that there is honour in dying for your country.

Lest we forget indeed.

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:52 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


My condolences on your loss..............and on this day, my heartfelt thanks and honor to those who serve and have served...............I will not forget the sacrifice.

My father passed some 5 years ago, and I still feel it today. And it'll be a year my mom passed next month on the 17th. I miss her so much.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Today is the 11 of November which is Remembrance Day. It is also one year to the day that my father died.

Remembrance Day (also known as Poppy Day) is a memorial day observed in Commonwealth of Nations member states since the end of the First World War to remember the members of their armed forces who have died in the line of duty. The day, specifically designated by King George V on 7 November 1919,[1] or alternative dates, are also recognised as special days for war remembrances in many non-Commonwealth countries. Remembrance Day is observed on 11 November to recall the end of hostilities of World War I on that date in 1918. Hostilities formally ended "at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month", in accordance with the armistice signed by representatives of Germany and the Entente between 5:12 and 5:20 that morning. ("At the 11th hour" refers to the passing of the 11th hour, or 11:00 am.) The First World War officially ended with the signing of the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919.[2]

The memorial evolved out of Armistice Day, which continues to be marked on the same date. The initial Armistice Day was observed at Buckingham Palace, commencing with King George V hosting a "Banquet in Honour of the President of the French Republic"[3] during the evening hours of 10 November 1919. The first official Armistice Day was subsequently held on the grounds of Buckingham Palace the following morning.

The red remembrance poppy has become a familiar emblem of Remembrance Day due to the poem In Flanders Fields. These poppies bloomed across some of the worst battlefields of Flanders in World War I, their brilliant red colour became a symbol for the blood spilled in the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day

In Flanders Fields

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place, and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard among the guns below.

We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe;
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

- John McRae

In the Shrine of Remembrance in my city (Melbourne) you can find the Stone of Remembrance.



Sunk into the centre of the Sanctuary floor like a grave, the Stone of Remembrance is a potent reminder of the sacrifice made by Victorian service men and women. The inscription GREATER LOVE HATH NO MAN is taken from the Bible, the Gospel of John, 15:13.

At 11am on the 11th day of the 11th month, the sunlight shines on the word 'Love' on the stone. I think that's really pretty special.







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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:03 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER




And another by Eric Bogle, but sung by the Pogues


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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
One other aspect of Remembrance Day and the Lest We Forget is that people do forget, CONSTANTLY.


Yes, people forget constantly. In America, this phenomena is referred to as The Silent Majority. Those who never returned, those offspring who never existed, for generations, are outweighed by the draft dodgers and other cowards who insist upon voting in more warmongers.

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