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My Teef are Fawwing Out....

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/01/chart-if-yo
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This one hits particullarly hard for me.

Not only does gum degenerative disease run in my Mom's side of the family, but bone degenerative disease in the jaw seems a problem as well.

I don't have Gingivitis, and to my knowledge I never have. Sure, have my gums bled on occasion while flossing? Who's hasn't? The thing is, my gums haven't bled for years because I floss often enough. I might not always keep to the 3 times a day brushing rule, but I do my best.

I smoke and drink and I drink coffee and even the occassional soda even though I rarely ever eat sweets. Worse yet, I haven't been to the dentist in well over 6 years......

My gums are flat out disappearing as if they were never there in the first place. I'm only 35 this year, but in the last 3-4 years it's becoming apparent. Fortunately for me, the worst damage is on my lower teeth which don't show in my smile unless I make a goofy face. Unfortunately, I have two teeth on top that have a gap between them at the top that you'd only notice if you look up close like one might while standing in front of the mirror....

It kind of looks like this......



Only twice as sexy!



My two bottom front teeth are going to fall out, and I don't think it will be long. They were the two teeth most resistant to the braces and the years of wearing a retainer and they just sort of bent back inward on each other. now I can kind of move them around with my teeth or fingers. I continue to brush them slowly and steadily and floss them regularly, but I know it's a losing battle. They've already been compromised, and although they're not dead teeth they will eventually break away years before I was ready to let them go.

I only hope I'm not fooling myself when I believe that they won't effect my profile at all. None of the other teeth in my face move at all, bottom or top. These front two were turned so inward that they might as well have not existed. I'm going to hold on to these little bastards as long as I can though. Let's just say that the next day in my future that I eat corn on the cob isn't until after I've already lost both of them :)

I always wondered why I had dreams about losing my teeth when I was a kid. I never actually got a satisfactory answer to that before, but now that it's a living nightmare, I feel a little more rational about it, even if I don't feel all that much better about it.


Be kind to your teeth Kids....

You'll miss them when they're gone.....

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



" I haven't been to the dentist in well over 6 years "

The thing about choices, is that there are consequences.

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

" I haven't been to the dentist in well over 6 years "

The thing about choices, is that there are consequences.




No doubt, brother Rappy....

Had I seen fit to drink 8 cases less of beer last year I could have at least had a flouride treatment after a cleaning without going into my meager savings....

As my step-father says, "there's no use crying over spilt milk!"

As much as I'd like to think that any problems I've left myself with couldn't be helped, the truth is that each and every punishment I've been dealt with in my life, at least the last 20 years, would have been avoidable if I chose to avoid them.

That's learning.....

That's life.....

Let's hope that by 50 years old my two front bottom teeth are the only things that I have lost :)

Much love RWED.

Stop the HATE.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:44 AM

JONGSSTRAW


What's so hard about having 3 or 4 dental check-ups and cleanings a year? There's no excuse not to.

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


6IX... you could be experiencing just a natural reduction in collagen which happens as people age. (Damnit). But if your diet is crappy, you may also be missing nutrients that are absolutely vital for collagen production. Vitamin C is the first to come to mind.... seems to me that you don't eat much fresh fruit or veggies. Drinking also reduces the amount of B6, and sugar is an important factor too.


Quote:

Perhaps the biggest factor in the build-up of plaque is sugar (and to a lesser extent other refined carbohydrates) in the diet. These foods create acidic conditions in the mouth that are ideal for the proliferation of plaque-forming bacteria. Just as importantly, sugar consumption depresses the immune system, particularly by inhibiting the action of neutrophils.(6) Because large amounts of B vitamins are used up in sugar metabolism, a diet high in sugar and low in whole foods can lead to deficiencies in these vitamins, which are necessary for healing.
Recent studies at the University of Buffalo Periodontal Disease Centre, New York State, USA, have shown that alcohol is a factor in gum disease. Increasing alcohol consumption from 5 units to 20 units a week increases the risk of periodontal disease from 10% to 40%. It is thought that alcohol may inhibit blood clotting, suppress new bone formation and reduce levels of B vitamins. (7) Alcohol dehydrates the mouth, so that bacteria are not washed away so readily by saliva, and plaque formation occurs faster.

Several nutritional deficiencies are associated with periodontal disease. The best documented is vitamin C, whose deficiency ultimately causes scurvy, a disease characterised by bleeding, suppurating gums and the loss of teeth. Vitamin C is vital in forming the amino acids needed for the production of collagen, an important component of the tissues that support the teeth. Vitamin C is needed too, for bone formation and calcification, and for wound healing. (8) Low levels of vitamin C have been shown to be associated with an increased risk of periodontal disease (9), increased permeability of the oral mucosa to bacterial toxins (10), as well as with impaired immune response. Deficiencies of vitamins A and E may also predispose to periodontal disease. (2)


http://www.ion.ac.uk/information/onarchives/nutritionalfactors


Other than Vita C 500 mg 2 times per day, not sure what to specifically suggest. V8? B-complex? But look into the diet connection.

Best of luck.


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Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What's so hard about having 3 or 4 dental check-ups and cleanings a year? There's no excuse not to.



Nothing at all Jongsssy :)

Tell me more....

Tell us all more.

These two teeth I'm talking about are DEAD.

I might drink and smoke and not live the healthiest life, but I'm not a crack head. I didn't go to the dentist for many years, even though I did do what I believe to be a fair to half-valiant effort to keep my teeth.

I'm just saying, from experience, that it's a whole lot easier to keep your gums before they're already gone.

This ain't a Fairy Tale. We can't wish our gums back.

I'm an asshole.

Don't be like me kids.

Seriously, 3 times a day, assholes. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:21 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Other than Vita C 500 mg 2 times per day, not sure what to specifically suggest. V8? B-complex? But look into the diet connection.

Best of luck.


I heavily concur.

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey Sigs....

If this were the Zombie Apocolypse and we had nothing better to do to pass the day than guess what our jobs were before "it" happened, I'd say that you had to work some form or another of HR......

Am I right!!!?

That's why I love ya, Girl. ;)


It's kind of weird Sigs....

I live a life where I basically do everything against what I learned is healthy "consumption"-wise, but at the same time I'm the most Conservative of Conservatives with my own money on anything not involving some direct consumption value.

If you know a way to save these two little bastards, or if anyone here knows a lot about teeth and has an opinion to give me real hope that I can do something to save them, please let me know.

I'll be the first to admit I know just as much about the biology of human teeth as I do about the Undeniable correlation between Creationism and Reality, or the complete lacktherof.......


Help my poor wobbly teeth.

Is there a way to reverse the damage!!!!!!




Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
6IX... you could be experiencing just a natural reduction in collagen which happens as people age. (Damnit). But if your diet is crappy, you may also be missing nutrients that are absolutely vital for collagen production. Vitamin C is the first to come to mind.... seems to me that you don't eat much fresh fruit or veggies. Drinking also reduces the amount of B6, and sugar is an important factor too.


Quote:

Perhaps the biggest factor in the build-up of plaque is sugar (and to a lesser extent other refined carbohydrates) in the diet. These foods create acidic conditions in the mouth that are ideal for the proliferation of plaque-forming bacteria. Just as importantly, sugar consumption depresses the immune system, particularly by inhibiting the action of neutrophils.(6) Because large amounts of B vitamins are used up in sugar metabolism, a diet high in sugar and low in whole foods can lead to deficiencies in these vitamins, which are necessary for healing.
Recent studies at the University of Buffalo Periodontal Disease Centre, New York State, USA, have shown that alcohol is a factor in gum disease. Increasing alcohol consumption from 5 units to 20 units a week increases the risk of periodontal disease from 10% to 40%. It is thought that alcohol may inhibit blood clotting, suppress new bone formation and reduce levels of B vitamins. (7) Alcohol dehydrates the mouth, so that bacteria are not washed away so readily by saliva, and plaque formation occurs faster.

Several nutritional deficiencies are associated with periodontal disease. The best documented is vitamin C, whose deficiency ultimately causes scurvy, a disease characterised by bleeding, suppurating gums and the loss of teeth. Vitamin C is vital in forming the amino acids needed for the production of collagen, an important component of the tissues that support the teeth. Vitamin C is needed too, for bone formation and calcification, and for wound healing. (8) Low levels of vitamin C have been shown to be associated with an increased risk of periodontal disease (9), increased permeability of the oral mucosa to bacterial toxins (10), as well as with impaired immune response. Deficiencies of vitamins A and E may also predispose to periodontal disease. (2)


http://www.ion.ac.uk/information/onarchives/nutritionalfactors


Other than Vita C 500 mg 2 times per day, not sure what to specifically suggest. V8? B-complex? But look into the diet connection.

Best of luck.




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

If this were the Zombie Apocolypse and we had nothing better to do to pass the day than guess what our jobs were before "it" happened, I'd say that you had to work some form or another of HR......
Dear god, why??? I'm about as far away from HR as anybody could be! I'm a chemist, in a very non-people-related job (I picked it on purpose because nothing makes me happier than to be alone with an instrument!), reviewing chemical analyses for possible court proceedings. I look at data, most of every day.

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nah.....

I'm just kiddin'

They're gone.

I've already said goodbye to them.

We had some good times, didn't we liller fellers.... :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

If this were the Zombie Apocolypse and we had nothing better to do to pass the day than guess what our jobs were before "it" happened, I'd say that you had to work some form or another of HR......
Dear god, why??? I'm about as far away from HR as anybody could be! I'm a chemist, in a very non-people-related job (I picked it on purpose because nothing makes me happier than to be alone with an instrument!), reviewing chemical analyses for possible court proceedings. I look at data, most of every day.




Sorry Sigs,.....

At least... on paper... you're really understanding of other people.

Of course, from my own admissions, I'm absolutley horrible to my own body and health on nearly a daily basis. You know all of this, yet you present it to everyone else in a way that would not be disrespectful or demeaning to me. I feel that you realize that I'm not just posting this about me and that you are offering solidarity in the point I'm trying to convey.


BOTTOM LINE, BOYS AND GIRLS.......

NOBODY WANTS TO MAKE OUT WITH 17 TEETH!!!!!!!!


TELL YOUR TEACHERS TO ADD DENTAL CARE TO HEALTH INSURANCE IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:57 PM

JONGSSTRAW



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Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:13 PM

REAVERFAN


Get thee to a dentist! You need a pro, not us.

Oddly, I have a tooth that's giving me grief. I think a filling cracked. Gotta schedule something this week.

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


6-ix

Yeah, dentist. PRONTO!

But even if the teeth are gone - don't you think it might be a good idea to see what went wrong and keep it from happening some more?

As for at-home advice, while I truly think you need to see a dentist - pronto - and none of the following could begin to substitute - Vit C couldn't hurt. B vitamins might help. But smoking is terrible on the gums. The nicotine shuts down the circulation.

FWIW your problem is common among the younger-ish men I know who don't take good care of themselves. One I know just couldn't be bothered with fixing up his falling-apart teeth, had them all pulled mid-30's. Much to his regret. So, uhm - it seems like a thing a fair percentage go through. But not something you need to continue to go through.




OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:47 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Floss

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Monday, May 5, 2014 2:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Thanks for the advice....

I regularly brush and floss and wash. I might miss a few here or there, but My Opthomalogist would trade me to my Dentist any day of the week....

These two particular teeth have been fussing for almost two years now. It's gotten to the point that I know I'll eventually have to let them go. I wish it weren't true, but we get what we give. I have nobody to blame for my potential tooth loss but me.

As I said, I know there's no cure and we're dead in the water at the end of the day, but I think I can keep these bastards into my 40's if I do right, religiously.... (and not at all Religiously speaking..... ;))

Sure, they're just teeth.... they don't know they're already marked for death. I just know that they're not long for this world.

Sure, they're wobbly, but they have been so for almost 3 years. Nothing new here. Maybe if I do right and don't eat corn off the cob I'll still enjoy their presence 10 years from now.

Seriously...

I'm just posting about it now, but my 1/19th of adult teeth have been fairly wobbly for the last 2-3 years at least....

Most people wouldn't have talked about it if they didn't live through 2 years of braces for it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 5, 2014 2:49 PM

WISHIMAY


Hubbs and I spent $1000 having old fillings removed and a couple new things filled last year

Rubbing vitamin e on your gums after you brush can slow down gum disease, as does eating berries which have enzymes in them that hold your gums together.

It can get better, nothing final 'till yer dead!

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Monday, May 5, 2014 2:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Goddamned right Wish, my Sister :)

I've been experiencing these wobbly teeth for at least since I moved into this house. They seem a bit wobbly-er these days though, and I know I can do better.

What brave little bastards they are. They're already dead. I mean, we all all are "dead" the moment we are concieved, but they continue to fight. I brush and floss more today then I ever did in the past. I know it's really too late, but those little bastards keep fighting and I will too.....

Seriously, a good drunk night eating buttered and salted corn cobs could pull these little soldiers out.

The funny thing is, if you push either of them alone with fingers or tounge, they wobble. Push them togehter and they're a brick wall....

It's as if they knew it and had each other's backs like brothers..... Seriously. They built a damn triangle-strength bridge against something like say... an incoming punch.

I could probably push both teeth out with my tounge in 4 hours, but i bet a solid punch to the front of them would just lead to a sore hand...

Life is awesome.




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 5, 2014 3:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh dear. Not quite with the sense-making.

6-ix

I don't think your teeth are actually dead.

When your teeth are dead they lose circulation to the inside. Then they start to rot inside and turn darker and darker and darker, nearly black if it goes long enough. (The blood that got left behind inside decomposes through enzymes and chemical reactions and turns dark. The dark junk shows through the tooth.) Eventually bacteria work their way in - those buggers are small and it's only your immune system's constant vigilance that keeps them from taking over. But there's no blood supply left to bring immune cells to the teeth - see above - and you develop an abscess.

I can't diagnose what's wrong with your teeth. But my dentist tells me while gum loss is forever, he also told me bone loss is reversible. So you could get your teeth all the way back. It's possible! You could get your teeth back to being sturdy again! (- though not guaranteed - nothing in life is!)

Do you know anyone who knows a good dentist?

PS One of the people I worked with was grinding her teeth which led to gum loss and wobbly teeth.


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Monday, May 5, 2014 3:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Maybe Sigs....

Nothing is brown or rotting or smelling. I just lost a lot of gums over the years and these two are wobbly. They're still as white as my other nicotine/caffine stained teeth, but they're far from necrotic.

They're just gonna fall out, is all ;)



I'd love to spend money on it, but I have gone without gutters for 3 years, and I'd like to be able to work an 8 hour shift during a thunderstorm without worrying if my basement is flooding because the power went out on my block.....

I'm going to do my best to keep these rather exposed soldiers fighting from here out, but I know my job would have been a lot easier if I brushed 3 times a day growing up and at least flossed once a month before I started actually flossing regularly.



I'm so poor I (seriously) can't afford Obamacare in my state.

My oral health is just about the last thing on my mind these particular days......

Except for my dreams.

Only in my Dreams....



Only in my dreams would my teeth still be as awesome as they were in 1987 :)

Then again, since I was about 13, my worst nightmares were about my teeth falling out........


Do Right, Be Right. :)


EDITED TO ADD: Every "kid" in this video is pushing 50 years old today, kiddes :)

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Monday, May 5, 2014 3:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh dear. Then do your best at home. Try not to brush the gums TOO hard - just enough to clean, not enough to damage them, OK?

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Monday, May 5, 2014 4:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Seriously, right?

They're my little bastards. The closest things I have to children now. The bunnies I tried saving last spring..... RIP, hippity hoppety ones.... Love Ya!

I'm going to do it. My smile is one of the only things I have to counteract the "tide" of economics today. Great job of the past.... no.... Bachleor's Degree?.... no......

Killer smile?

Yep :)

I can't imagine a girl I was kissing would even be able to put together I wasn't all put together, but I've yet to meet a person who was.

I'm pretty sure that pics of me would look exactly the same. It would only be in those most intimate of moments where I'd wonder what would be thought.

Either way, it's all only in our dreams.....

Our individual existance is fleeting and likely meaningless when it's over.

Praise the few who are remembered.... but only half-way.... chances are they were made up people that embodied the "entire good" of an "era".....

Fuck You. ;)




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 5, 2014 4:16 PM

STORYMARK


Any colleges with a Dental program near you? You can often get your teeth cleaned, or simple procedures done very cheaply, if you're willing to let a student do it.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, May 5, 2014 4:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


not "You"....

i love you 1kiki.... :)

just "fuck you" in general....

love you too, generally speaking :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 5, 2014 4:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


As long is it's some student-dude hygenest....

No way is some 20 something frat-boy infected cute girl going up in this mouth.

Chances are, it's 10 times as clean as your standard American Mouth, but I'm at least 10 times as neurotic about these things than your average idiot citizen that keeps having kids willy-nilly and driving up my taxes.


Very much alive teeth. "browned" only with coffee/smoke aging.... would be just barely 30 and fully white and straight with no cavities as of 10 or so years ago.....

I won't even kiss a girl who doesn't smoke, and haven't for over 5 years. True story. Kissing her would be like taking advantage of a girl on her 18th birthday.

I've done that before too....



I only can give advice on how "not to be" because I lived it all and it can be pretty lonely.

Put a Ring on it, Boys....

Being a half-wit at 40 years old without a wife to guide your dumb urges.....

There's already far too much of that going on, isn't there?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 5, 2014 4:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




Better than Teeth, that right here.... :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 5, 2014 5:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


6-ix

In my many poverty-stricken younger years I went to the local dental school. They wear gloves. Sterilize all their instruments. And at every step a prof comes and checks their work - and makes them do it till they get it right.

Going to a dental school is a good idea. I'm chagrined I didn't think of it myself, given my history. (I plead that that history was many decades ago!)

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Tuesday, May 6, 2014 11:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hey 1kiki,

I'll have to look into that. I'm always bartering for stuff these days, no reason why I couldn't find somebody who could clean my teeth properly for the first time in 15 years or so who didn't need SOMETHING done on their house or car in return.

Somehow I turned this into an all about me thread.

I seriously meant what I said about the article and am using myself as an example of regrets after the fact....



I'd love to know more about reversing bone regeneration though. For my visible smile, the gums are pretty OK. For the lower teeth nobody sees in front, they're basically history. I have noticed that when I go gung-ho for a few weeks or months with a rigorous brushing/flossing/mouthwash routine that I believe they stabalize a bit. I always just thought that it was all in my head, but maybe not. Maybe they start wobbling around a bit as a warning that I better at least take the time to maintain good oral hygene no matter what other life problems are going on.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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