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Climate Meeting to Discuss Future of Fossil Fuels

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:29 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/climate-meeting-discuss-fut
ure-fossil-fuels-23205309


Climate Meeting to Discuss Future of Fossil Fuels

After concluding that global warming almost certainly is man-made and poses a grave threat to humanity, the U.N.-sponsored expert panel on climate change is moving on to the next phase: what to do about it.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, will meet next week in Berlin to chart ways in which the world can curb the greenhouse gas emissions that scientists say are overheating the planet.

It is also trying to give estimates on what it would cost.

read more at http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/climate-meeting-discuss-fut
ure-fossil-fuels-23205309



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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The unassailable truths are that A ) There is nothing that yields near the power as does fossil fuels, and B ) no real net effect of greatly curbing carbon emissions will have in many life times.

Oh, and C ) poor countries want to have the stuff the rich countries have, so trying to get them down isn't going to fly too well.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:39 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The unassailable truths are that A ) There is nothing that yields near the power as does fossil fuels, and B ) no real net effect of greatly curbing carbon emissions will have in many life times.

Oh, and C ) poor countries want to have the stuff the rich countries have, so trying to get them down isn't going to fly too well.

Sadly, fossil fuels are finite. What do we do, once the money's gone?

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:40 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The unassailable truths are that A ) There is nothing that yields near the power as does fossil fuels, and B ) no real net effect of greatly curbing carbon emissions will have in many life times.

Oh, and C ) poor countries want to have the stuff the rich countries have, so trying to get them down isn't going to fly too well.

Sadly, fossil fuels are finite. What do we do, once the money's gone? Who gets rich, then?

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:58 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And yet another post by rappy where he obviously failed to read the article, and is simply posting pre-formed opinions.



To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:47 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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A leaked draft of the report sent to governments in December suggests that in order to keep global temperature increases below 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 F) by the end of the century — the stated goal of international climate talks — emissions need to fall by 40-70 percent by 2050.


So with China and India producing a third of the world's carbon and increasing their emissions by 7-8% a year(and the world's by 2-3%), and developing countries in Asia and South America increasing emissions as well, we're going to not only get them to stop, but reduce everyone's emissions by 40-70% in 36 years?

Go here http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html and click on "Preliminary 2011 and 2012Global and National Estimates"


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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:09 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


And 1kiki cant dispute any truth i stated. Too uncomfortable to bother with , huh? Easier to just stick with the program.

Got it.

RF - the gorram SUN is finite. What's your point ???

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:12 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The unassailable truths are that A ) There is nothing that yields near the power as does fossil fuels, and B ) no real net effect of greatly curbing carbon emissions will have in many life times.

Oh, and C ) poor countries want to have the stuff the rich countries have, so trying to get them down isn't going to fly too well.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



A. Nuclear and Hydrogen say hello!

B. Helping to curb climate change.

C. Rich countries can always help poor countries get away from fossile fuels.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:04 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And yet another post by rappy where he obviously failed to read the article, and is simply posting pre-formed opinions.



So, just like just about each and every one of his posts, ever?

Im reminded suddenly of him posting a video without watching it, then freaking when asked if he agreed with it. He's a hoot.




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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:46 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And 1kiki cant dispute any truth i stated.

I can because I saw these two stories today:

Climate Panel Stunner: Avoiding Climate Catastrophe Is Super Cheap — But Only If We Act Now
“You read that right, the annual growth loss to preserve a livable climate is 0.06%” http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/04/13/3426117/climate-panel-avoi
ding-catastrophe-cheap
/

More interesting:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/rising-sun/
“there are some people on the left who keep insisting that economic growth is incompatible with reduced emissions, and that therefore we have to turn our backs on growth. Such people have no power, and therefore don’t do any real harm. . . . There is absolutely no reason to believe in a one-for-one link between real GDP and greenhouse gases.”

“you should be optimistic about the ability of a market economy to reduce emissions given the incentives. And now we know something new: the technological prospects for a low-emission economy have gotten dramatically better.”


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:01 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And 1kiki cant dispute any truth i stated.

I can because I saw these two stories today:

Climate Panel Stunner: Avoiding Climate Catastrophe Is Super Cheap — But Only If We Act Now
“You read that right, the annual growth loss to preserve a livable climate is 0.06%” http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/04/13/3426117/climate-panel-avoi
ding-catastrophe-cheap
/


Nice find, SECOND.

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The unassailable truths are that A ) There is nothing that yields near the power as does fossil fuels, and B ) no real net effect of greatly curbing carbon emissions will have in many life times.

Oh, and C ) poor countries want to have the stuff the rich countries have, so trying to get them down isn't going to fly too well.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



A. Nuclear and Hydrogen say hello!

B. Helping to curb climate change.

C. Rich countries can always help poor countries get away from fossile fuels.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Nuclear is no where as safe, for starters. Sure, it can be used in spots, but between the cost of building plants, and then long term waste disposal, I doubt many would jump at the idea of 100's or 1000's of more nuke plants around the world.

Helping curb climate change ? Get China to stop polluting the air with their industrial smog, which is affecting weather around the globe more than any 'AGW'.

Poor countries don't WANT to get away from fossil fuels. The alternatives are way too expensive, yield far too little, and or simply aren't feasible.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Poor countries don't WANT to get away from fossil fuels. The alternatives are way too expensive, yield far too little, and or simply aren't feasible.
Well then, maybe in our ENLIGHTENED self-interest we should help them with free money. That would probably be a heckuva cheaper than dealing with the alternative.

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:33 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well then, maybe in our ENLIGHTENED self-interest we should help them with free money.

Call it a "Survival Fee."

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



No such thing as " FREE " money, genius.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:40 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nuclear is no where as safe, for starters. Sure, it can be used in spots, but between the cost of building plants, and then long term waste disposal, I doubt many would jump at the idea of 100's or 1000's of more nuke plants around the world.

Helping curb climate change ? Get China to stop polluting the air with their industrial smog, which is affecting weather around the globe more than any 'AGW'.

Poor countries don't WANT to get away from fossil fuels. The alternatives are way too expensive, yield far too little, and or simply aren't feasible.




“The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them.” ~ Albert Einstein

Yes the solutions are not going to be cheap or easy.

You had said that nothing delivered as much power as fosil fuels. If you are talking about where we get power right now, you are right. However both nuclear and hygrogen can produce more power than fosil fuels can in the future. Thing is you will only need nulcear plants to pick up what other sources, wind, solar, thermal, ect., can't. Using sorces such as solar you can produce hydrogen to be use in vehicals.

As far as fossile fuels being cheap, well the rich countries can help pay for the poor countries to use alternative power sources that they could otherwise not afford.

Than we have this....

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Helping curb climate change ? Get China to stop polluting the air with their industrial smog, which is affecting weather around the globe more than any 'AGW'.



...I'm just going to let that hang out there and see if anyone picks up the problem with this statment.



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:41 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

No such thing as " FREE " money, genius.




If I hand you $20 for no reason you just got free money...genius.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:45 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
...I'm just going to let that hang out there and see if anyone picks up the problem with this statment.


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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:52 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Helping curb climate change ? Get China to stop polluting the air with their industrial smog, which is affecting weather around the globe more than any 'AGW'.


Why would you want to bother curbing something which is not really happening?
BTW, man-made smog affecting the weather around the globe is kinda the definition of AGW....


omg I kept a straight face....

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 6:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Smog from China has become so bad that the particles travel into the atmo, which causes more rain and storms w/ greater intensity than would occur otherwise.

These storms are NOT the result of GLOBAL WARMING, but of more particulate matter, in effect seeding the clouds.

You see, so brain locked are some here that they react to ANYTHING that has to do w/ the change in weather, they've been programmed to immediately think " MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING "!

But see, language is the key here. Words MEAN things. So what we once called 'global warming' , we are now simply saying ' climate change ', and TPTB have so hammered into the public psyche, that ANY change in the weather , climate, or hell, even earthquakes, are now viewed by the DUMB MASSES as all being the same damn thing. All caused by ... you know who.

Bottom line, the warm-mongers are so hell bent on blaming man for anything and everything, they've attached a negative stigma to our mere existence. It's all our fault. We're to blame. And if we don't do exactly as AlGore says, we're ALL GONNA DIE!



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:07 PM

OONJERAH




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Big Oil Lobby!



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and adults have been diagnosed with asthma. Nov 2013

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Smog from China has become so bad that the particles travel into the atmo, which causes more rain and storms w/ greater intensity than would occur otherwise.
Actually not true. Too many particles in the air cause condensation to occur on too many nuclei. The drops never get big enough to fall, because the water is divided up among too many pieces. So particulate smog causes LESS rain. If you want, I can provide cites and maybe even pictures.

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:52 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So particulate smog causes LESS rain.

Thanks Signy.
He's so cute when he goes on a rant, ain't he?

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:58 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Helping curb climate change ? Get China to stop polluting the air with their industrial smog, which is affecting weather around the globe more than any 'AGW'.


Why would you want to bother curbing something which is not really happening?
BTW, man-made smog affecting the weather around the globe is kinda the definition of AGW....


omg I kept a straight face....



You're gonna break the poor idgit with all your holding 2 ideas in your head at once, *thinking* crap. Its too much for him and his pills.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:19 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Its too much for him and his pills.

I told him to stop with those...

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Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:36 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Smog from China has become so bad that the particles travel into the atmo, which causes more rain and storms w/ greater intensity than would occur otherwise.
Actually not true. Too many particles in the air cause condensation to occur on too many nuclei. The drops never get big enough to fall, because the water is divided up among too many pieces. So particulate smog causes LESS rain. If you want, I can provide cites and maybe even pictures.



I'd be interested in cites.

Seems you've just proved acid rain is a myth.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:22 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Seems you've just proved acid rain is a myth.

Acid rain is caused more by gasses (sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide) than particulates.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:09 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:


Seems you've just proved acid rain is a myth.



So, you're lack of understanding makes it a myth? And you seem to have a distinct lack of understanding when it comes to the concept of "proof."

Funny on soooo many levels.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:24 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Keep up with your topical and thoughtful posts Marky.
This place would be so much worse without your constant topical and thoughtful posts.
I cannot wait for more of your topical and thoughtful posts.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:49 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Keep up with your topical and thoughtful posts Marky.
This place would be so much worse without your constant topical and thoughtful posts.
I cannot wait for more of your topical and thoughtful posts.



Yep.

If he can only do one thing, at least he should try to do it well.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:07 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Keep up with your topical and thoughtful posts Marky.
This place would be so much worse without your constant topical and thoughtful posts.
I cannot wait for more of your topical and thoughtful posts.



Yep.

If he can only do one thing, at least he should try to do it well.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."



That's cute. Make it about me, so you don't have to acknowledge your mistake.

What's even better is your little idiot sidekick nobody. Yes, I spend a great deal of time making fun of you wingnut fucktards - but I do post other things. Nobody does NOTHING but these "nyah-nyah" responses.... and then goes on about how that's all I do - which he has to be deliberately ignorant to maintain. And then you agree with the lie, while hiding from your mistake.

Ya'll are quite the pair, Ill give you that.




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Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Holy crap Geezer

Do you REALLY want to let your ignorance flag fly quite so prominently? A quick trip to WIKI would have prevented that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Smog from China has become so bad that the particles travel into the atmo, which causes more rain and storms w/ greater intensity than would occur otherwise.
Actually not true. Too many particles in the air cause condensation to occur on too many nuclei. The drops never get big enough to fall, because the water is divided up among too many pieces. So particulate smog causes LESS rain. If you want, I can provide cites and maybe even pictures.



I'd be interested in cites.

Seems you've just proved acid rain is a myth.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."




To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:29 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
What's even better is your little idiot sidekick nobody. Yes, I spend a great deal of time making fun of you wingnut fucktards - but I do post other things. Nobody does NOTHING but these "nyah-nyah" responses.... and then goes on about how that's all I do - which he has to be deliberately ignorant to maintain.


The difference is, I know my shit stinks. You on the other hand...

And how is it that none of your "friends" on this site have ever called you out on your derogatory use of the word "tard"?

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Smog from China has become so bad that the particles travel into the atmo, which causes more rain and storms w/ greater intensity than would occur otherwise.
Actually not true. Too many particles in the air cause condensation to occur on too many nuclei. The drops never get big enough to fall, because the water is divided up among too many pieces. So particulate smog causes LESS rain. If you want, I can provide cites and maybe even pictures.



So can I...

Asia’s pollution triggers storms in the USA

A new study find a link between smog in China and the weather in North America.

Beijing is legendary for its pollution, but now a new study suggests that the poor air quality in Asia is affecting the weather elsewhere in the globe.

The study, by researchers at Texas A&M University in the US, found that smog from Asia directly affects the weather in North America.

It is already common knowledge that the weather around the world is linked, and what happens in one place can have a dramatic effect on the weather elsewhere in the globe.

The same principle applies to pollution: it can have a far-reaching impact. A number of previous research papers have shown that the drought that struck West Africa in the 1980s was caused, at least in part, by the coal-burning factories in the USA and Europe.

The pollution caused by these factories cooled the entire northern hemisphere, shifting the African monsoon southwards.

This situation was reversed when the clean-air legislation was passed in the USA and Europe, allowing the air to clear, and the rain band to shift northwards once more.

Now researchers have determined a clear link between Asia’s pollution and the weather in North America, although how much of an effect there is remains unclear.

Storm systems from Asia usually track across the Pacific towards North America, but the smog pollution can affect this.

Smog is comprised of various tiny particles, from sulfates and nitrates, to soot and soil dust. These particles could help clouds form.

In order for water vapour in the atmosphere to become a water droplet within a cloud, it must have something to condense onto, a nucleus. If there are no nuclei, then a cloud will struggle to form.

Scientists at Texas A&M University argue that the particles in the smog could provide these nuclei, and the study found they can increase the formation of deep convective clouds, by between 20 and 50 percent. This could result in more intense storms.

http://www.aljazeera.com/weather/2014/04/asias-pollution-triggers-stor
ms-usa-201441691110359936.html




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:

And how is it that none of your "friends" on this site have ever called you out on your derogatory use of the word "tard"?



Prolly for the same reason the Left is deaf to the comments by Alec Baldwin ( thank god, no relation to Adam ) when he blurts out the most mean spirited and hateful homophobic vulgarities. But it's o.k., you see, because he's doing it towards paparazzi and conservatives. So they stay silent. ( Just like they stay silent against the actual WAR ON WOMEN that goes on in Islam. But that's for another thread )

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


“I’m going to find you, George Stark, you toxic little queen, and I’m gonna f--k…you…up” ” - Alec Baldwin



ABC News Defends Alec Baldwin, Calls Homophobic Attack ‘Alleged Slur’

It was a metaphysical certitude that liberal media members were going to once again show their hypocritical colors and defend Alec Baldwin’s homophobic attack on a British reporter Thursday.

ABC’s David Muir came through for the high-strung actor on Saturday’s World News actually calling the attack an “alleged slur”


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/06/30/abc-news-defends
-alec-baldwin-calls-homophobic-attack-alleged-slur#ixzz2zBIblLHG


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:06 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
“I’m going to find you, George Stark, you toxic little queen, and I’m gonna f--k…you…up” ” - Alec Baldwin


Hahah, "queen", heh heh, the guy's British- I get it, HAHAHAHAHA!!

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Asia’s pollution triggers storms in the USA

http://www.aljazeera.com/weather/2014/04/asias-pollution-triggers-stor
ms-usa-201441691110359936.html


A new study find a link between smog in China and the weather in North America.

... While China struggles to take control of its air quality, more research is needed in order to determine exactly how the pollution is changing the weather in North America. If the pollution is also changing the track of storms, there could be a risk that it is exacerbating the drought in California. (Because nothing spells more rain and thunderstorms like drought!)

This research may be a bitter pill to swallow for those people in the USA who have been hit by severe weather in the last few years. However, it may be worth remembering that the second largest polluting country is still the United States.

The world’s weather is intricately linked. What happens in one part of the world, can greatly impact someone in a completely different location, but there is no longer any doubt that human activity is changing the global weather.




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"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:49 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

... While China struggles to take control of its air quality, more research is needed in order to determine exactly how the pollution is changing the weather in North America. If the pollution is also changing the track of storms, there could be a risk that it is exacerbating the drought in California. (Because nothing spells more rain and thunderstorms like drought!)




The lack of reading and comprehension skills, just in this one example, is truly stunning.

" If the pollution is also changing the track of storms..."

Storms which might otherwise take a course that would bring rain to California, now have their track altered, resulting in what ???

NO RAIN !!!


Crazy how that words, ain't it ???


Good grief.


exacerbating ( defined - make worse: to make an already bad or problematic situation worse )

Is THAT the tricky word in the story which confused you, 1kiki ??? Did you think it meant something else, perhaps?



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Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:52 PM

CHRISISALL


There's an "IF" there, boy.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Storms which might otherwise take a course that would bring rain to California, now have their track altered, resulting in what ???"

So, if California is extremely dry, and all that missing rain PLUS the extra rain you say exists went somewhere else along the coast, where did it go?






To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Storms which might otherwise take a course that would bring rain to California, now have their track altered, resulting in what ???"

So, if California is extremely dry, and all that missing rain PLUS the extra rain you say exists went somewhere else along the coast, where did it go?




Wait, hold on. WHO said this ? Read the gorram OP again, genius. Those who did the STUDY said this, all I did was repeat it, and highlight it , for YOU to ( hopefully ) grasp.

It appears you still don't get it.

And how are you arriving at the conclusion that " all that missing rain " isn't itself the rain that might have otherwise gone to CA ? Why do you assume there's a "PLUS" involved , w/ regards to EXTRA rain ?

Your really not getting any of this, are you ?

The study isn't saying there are MORE storms, just that the ones which develop are stronger. If the track of those storms, be they weak OR strong, misses SoCAL, what difference , at this time , does it make ???


( see what I just did there ? Probably not )

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:00 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
There's an "IF" there, boy.



Yep. That is what the study does say, FemBot

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:01 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
There's an "IF" there, boy.



Yep. That is what the study does say, FemBot

Kiss my freckled butt, Buffybot dousche.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I understand you completely. You took a small snippet of a news story about a study which said this

Now researchers have determined a clear link between Asia’s pollution and the weather in North America, although how much of an effect there is remains unclear. ... Scientists at Texas A&M University argue that the particles in the smog could provide these nuclei, and the study found they can increase the formation of deep convective clouds, by between 20 and 50 percent. This could result in more intense storms.

and said this about it - "Smog from China has become so bad that the particles travel into the atmo, which causes MORE RAIN and storms w/ greater intensity than would occur otherwise."

My challenge was OK - what rain?

To which you replied "Storms which might otherwise take a course that would bring rain to California, now have their track altered, resulting in what ??? NO RAIN !!!"

To which I replied
OK, if it's gone elsewhere, where is it? And BTW, where is all that EXTRA rain you claimed should be there? (see MORE RAIN, above)

Now you're claiming you never said anything about more rain, in fact you never said anything at all, all you did was post a snippet of a study.


To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:09 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Now you're claiming you never said anything about more rain, in fact you never said anything at all, all you did was post a snippet of a study.

Please kiki, do not make fun of the pinhead.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:36 PM

OONJERAH



I don't know what the study said, either ... brain is taking the
day off. ... (Taking a 4-day weekend off?)

I know what my cousin in Oregon said to me a few years ago:
When the wind is from the west, she can smell the China smog.



... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I took no 'snippet'. I replied to YOUR full commentary of the ENTIRE study.

I never said anything bout there not being more rain. Good grief, you're making this shit up just to argue.

And we all know why, too.

More INTENSE STORMS, is what the linked article says. I take that to mean more rain and wind, don't you ?

But the kicker is, if the storms don't track as they would normally, they don't dump all that rain on areas which they would otherwise.

Seriously, how did your brain even learn human speech ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:03 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I never said anything bout there not being more rain.

There's no shame in not understanding the subject matter here, or mis-interpreting the science, Hell, I have a really hard time with fusion reaction my own self... so I can see where this all leaves you in the dust, as it were.

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