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Here's one Republican plan for reducing health care costs

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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What kind of heartless monster would support the ER turning away an individual because they lack insurance or aren’t dying right there on the hospital floor? You guessed it! Republicans!

While prominent Republicans, like Mitt Romney, Jim DeMint and Haley Barbour have turned to the “ER’s will treat you” as a way to support the rejection of expanding Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, they are quickly changing their tunes. Now, instead of advocating for ERs to treat the uninsured like decent human beings, they aim to keep the uninsured from using emergency rooms at all. Georgia Governor Nathan Deal is lobbying on Congress to allow hospitals to turn people away from emergency rooms who lack health insurance ( http://www.times-herald.com/local/20140225-deal-ER2014-02-25T11-11-11). Let’s remember, President Reagan signed into law The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act is a 1986 which requires hospitals to provide emergency health care treatment to anyone who needs it, regardless of their citizenship or their ability to pay for the said treatments. But the Governor thinks this is all “bad facts” which made “bad law:
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“If they really want to get serious about lowering the cost of health care in this country, they would revisit another federal statute that has been there for a long time,” Deal told a crowd of dozens at a University of Georgia political science alumni gathering. “It came as a result of bad facts, and we have a saying that bad facts make bad law.”

And with that, a Republican wants federally subsidized hospitals to turn away ill human beings who lack insurance. Certainly customary of the “pro-life” party, right?

Georgia Senatorial candidate and current Congressman Paul Broun (famous for his “science is lies straight from the pit of hell” comment) has introduced a bill that would allow ERs to treat only patients who they determine have an “emergency medical condition.”
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“[Patient Option Act] Amends SSA title XVIII (Medicare) and the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) to allow certified medical professionals to assess the nature and extent of an emergency room patient’s illness or injury to determine whether an emergency medical condition exists (triage).” http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2900


The bill is called the Patient Option Act, only it’s not giving any patient any option. It’s giving the hospitals the option to deny service to anyone because they don’t fit the criteria of a “emergency medical condition.”

There are many who support Broun’s “turn the sick away” bill, including the director of Madison Project, a Tea Party political action committee that Senator Ted Cruz helped with fundraising and has written fundraising missive for over the last few months. The director, Daniel Horowitz, has a very sadistic Hunger Games inspired solution to the issue of crowded hospitals:
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“If we ever plan to curb skyrocketing hospital costs and improve access to emergency care, we must address this massive unfunded federal mandate of EMTALA. Among the provisions of Rep. Paul Broun’s Patient Option Act, which is one of the best healthcare reform proposals, are some good reforms of emergency and indigent care. Under Broun’s proposal, hospitals would be allowed to turn away people from ERs if they do not have an immediate need for emergency care. This would solve the problem of illegal immigrants using ERs for primary care.” http://www.pfaw.org/category/states/texas


And these are the people who say Obamacare is getting in the way of people receiving care, seeing doctors, and getting treatments? http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/04/12/gop-doesnt-care-die/



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Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:39 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


AH, yes, the OLD Republican Health Care Cost Reduction plan: "Don't get sick. If you get sick, Die Fast."

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Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:24 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, that one.


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Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:35 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, that one.


Also known as the Koch plan.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 12:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



There's nothing heartless or monster like for it.

ER's aren't suppose to be for cuts and scrapes.


Koch plan is far, FAR better than the Soros plan.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 1:58 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So Reagan got it wrong.


To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, April 14, 2014 6:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Reagan got it wrong.



Nope.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, April 14, 2014 11:20 AM

STORYMARK


Cute, since before the ACA, all you neocon douchebags were insisting that broader coverage wasn't necessary, because the ER never turns anyone away.






"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, April 14, 2014 11:32 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


New York (which created its own Obamacare exchange) is a huge success story: enrollment is 60 percent higher than federal projections, premiums have been cut in half. "Resistance to the health exchange among Republicans in the state may, oddly enough, have helped make it more successful." www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/nyregion/in-new-york-hard-choices-on-health
-exchange-spell-success.html


New York was already a community-rating state, where insurers weren’t allowed to discriminate based on medical history. But the result of that system was that healthy people tended to stay out of the individual market, creating a bad risk pool that drove up rates. Now everyone has to be in, dramatically improving the risk pool. As such, the New York experiences demonstrates the essential role of the individual mandate for reform. If you forgot, "individual mandate" is a requirement by law that people purchase health insurance.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 14, 2014 11:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Nifty!


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Monday, April 14, 2014 1:08 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Cute, since before the ACA, all you neocon douchebags were insisting that broader coverage wasn't necessary, because the ER never turns anyone away.


I'm sure you will have no problem providing a cite for this statement, right Marky?

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Monday, April 14, 2014 1:42 PM

STORYMARK


http://thecontributor.com/health-care/ted-cruz-who-said-uninsured-shou
ld-just-get-health-care-ers-backs-group-wants-ers-turn


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/mitt-romney-60-minutes-health
-care_n_1908129.html



Now, you may return to being utterly worthless, and never offering up a thought of your own.



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Monday, April 14, 2014 1:49 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Cute, since before the ACA, all you neocon douchebags were insisting that broader coverage wasn't necessary, because the ER never turns anyone away.




Distortion / Lie. About what one would expect from Storybook

Adorable.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, April 14, 2014 2:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, April 14, 2014 3:09 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
http://thecontributor.com/health-care/ted-cruz-who-said-uninsured-shou
ld-just-get-health-care-ers-backs-group-wants-ers-turn


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/mitt-romney-60-minutes-health
-care_n_1908129.html



Now, you may return to being utterly worthless, and never offering up a thought of your own.


According to Marky, there are only two neocon douchebags.
Hmmmmm, I personally would have thought that there were at least three or four in all of America.
I guess they are not as big a threat as the left likes to make them out as.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 3:16 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
According to Marky, there are only two neocon douchebags.

You logic escapes me. And you too, clearly.
In fact, for you, Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow, or a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 3:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Please show me where a claim was made there are only 2 neocons. Betcha' you can't!


To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, April 14, 2014 3:30 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Marky said "all you neo con douchebags..."
I know he considers me a neo con.
I asked him for a cite.
He provided a link about Cruz and a link about Romney.
So instead of backing up his claim, he bitched out. Hence my quip about there only being two neo con douchebags.

That explain it good enough or will I have to start drawing pictures?

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Monday, April 14, 2014 3:37 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Marky said "all you neo con douchebags..."
I know he considers me a neo con.
I asked him for a cite.
He provided a link about Cruz and a link about Romney.
So instead of backing up his claim, he bitched out. Hence my quip about there only being two neo con douchebags.

That explain it good enough or will I have to start drawing pictures?

Sorry, wrong. If that's all you have to say then you lose. That makes no sense. AND it's unsubstantiated. Your every question was addressed in detail- that you can't see that merely shows your blind partisanship. You should also stop drinking that Tea-Party Kool-Aid, too. He backed up his claim, he did not 'bitch' out, and your comment was not a 'quip'. There, you are even MORE wrong.
You lose.
As always.
You sad, angry little NeoCon.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 3:44 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Sorry, wrong. If that's all you have to say then you lose. That makes no sense. AND it's unsubstantiated. Your every question was addressed in detail- that you can't see that merely shows your blind partisanship. You should also stop drinking that Tea-Party Kool-Aid, too. He backed up his claim, he did not 'bitch' out, and your comment was not a 'quip'. There, you are even MORE wrong.
You lose.
As always.
You sad, angry little NeoCon.


[sarcasm] Well that settles it [/sarcasm]

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Monday, April 14, 2014 3:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Does for me!


To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, April 14, 2014 3:55 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow, or a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD.


Playing the "I Mudd" card again? Careful, your Alices are about to wink out.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 4:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Marky said "all you neo con douchebags..."
I know he considers me a neo con.
I asked him for a cite.
He provided a link about Cruz and a link about Romney.
So instead of backing up his claim, he bitched out. Hence my quip about there only being two neo con douchebags.

That explain it good enough or will I have to start drawing pictures?



Headline from "objective" link from Storybook

" Scumbag Ted Cruz Tells Uninsured They Can Use ER, Backs Group that Wants ERs to Turn Away the Uninsured "

Then, from the story, another link to this story...

Ted Cruz for proclaiming in a televised debate this week that “it is much cheaper to provide emergency care than it is to expand Medicaid and to expand the rolls.”

The Texas Medical Association Political Action Committee, which has endorsed Cruz's rival David Dewhurst in the July 31 GOP Senate runoff, said Thursday that while it agrees with both men that Medicaid “is broken,” Cruz shouldn't suggest the status quo is acceptable.


There's a weird contortion and array of dots connecting to what Cruz said, to what some groups who support him say, and one has to go through several degrees of separation to finally decipher what's actually been said, by whom, and what was being discussed.

As I said, pure deception ( lies ) on the part of the Left, to demonize any / all opposition to Der One.

Point is, the GOP simply saying the ER shouldn't be used to treat anything but emergencies. Wow, crazy talk, huh?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, April 14, 2014 4:33 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
As I said, pure deception ( lies ) on the part of the Left, to demonize any / all opposition to Der One.

Sorry, wrong. If that's all you have to say then you lose. That makes no sense. AND it's unsubstantiated. Your every question was addressed in detail- that you can't see that merely shows your blind partisanship. You should also stop drinking that Tea-Party Kool-Aid.
You lose.
As always.
You sad, angry little NeoCon.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 4:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

As I said, pure deception ( lies ) on the part of the Left, to demonize any / all opposition to Der One.

Sorry, wrong. If that's all you have to say then you lose. That makes no sense. AND it's unsubstantiated. Your every question was addressed in detail- that you can't see that merely shows your blind partisanship. You should also stop drinking that Tea-Party Kool-Aid.
You lose.
As always.
You sad, angry little NeoCon.



I'm right. And it's entirely substantiated. My every question was NOT remotely addressed with anything NEAR detail. Read beyond the links and the headlines, genius. If you can.

I win, as I usually do.

* NeoCon is a term for Leftists, of which I've never been.

I'm a proud PALEO-Con !!!



* The term "neoconservative" refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist left to the camp of American conservatism. [2] Neoconservatives frequently advocate the "assertive" promotion of democracy and promotion of "American national interest" in international affairs including by means of military force.[3][4] The movement had its intellectual roots in the monthly review magazine Commentary.[5][6] C. Bradley Thompson, a professor at Clemson University, claims that most influential neoconservatives refer explicitly to the theoretical ideas in the philosophy of Leo Strauss (1899–1973).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, April 14, 2014 4:54 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm a proud PALEO-Con !!!

A follower of Sarah Palin-???
You are sick, Lex.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 4:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



" Behind " Sarah ?

Ooooh, enough w/ the making me horny !




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, April 14, 2014 5:02 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

" Behind " Sarah ?

Ooooh, enough w/ the making me horny !




Even your attempt to disgust me fails...

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Monday, April 14, 2014 5:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



You're more of a Hillary type of guy, huh?



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, April 14, 2014 5:12 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

You're more of a Hillary type of guy, huh?



Your attempt to demean me fails as well.
Hmmm, you're GOOD at failure.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 5:50 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, this quickly devolved into silliness. I stopped reading way back, but I'll address the question.
Quote:

"before the ACA, all you neocon douchebags were insisting that broader coverage wasn't necessary, because the ER never turns anyone away."

"I'm sure you will have no problem providing a cite for this statement"



George W. Bush: "People have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room." ( http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/opinion/16krugman.html?_r=0)

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R): “Well, they don’t go without health care. It’s not the most efficient way to provide it. As we know, the doctors in the hospitals are sworn to provide health care." ( http://archives.politicususa.com/2009/07/19/McConnell-Healthcare.html)

Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX): "By the way, there's no one denied health care in America. There are 47 million people who don't have health insurance, but no American is denied health care in America." (We can only assume he means via Emergency Rooms) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog_coverage/2007/11/tom_delay_is_th
e_laughing_stoc.html


Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): "people who have depression, who have chronic diseases in this country ... can always get care in this country by going to the emergency room." ( http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020227.ph
p
)

John Goodman (who helped craft Sen. John McCain’s health care policy): "Anyone with access to an emergency room effectively has insurance". ( http://pnhp.org/blog/2008/08/28/mccain-health-advisor-says-there-are-n
o-uninsured-americans
/)

Mitt Romney: "Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance, people -- we- if someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care...Some provide that care through clinics. Some provide the care through emergency rooms." ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2012/10/21/why-romneys-emergency-
care-isnt-health-care
/)

Bush Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson: "Even if you don't have health insurance, you are still taken care of in America. That certainly could be defined as universal coverage." ( http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2001870042_iraqdig03.html)

Izzat sufficient to answer the question?


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Monday, April 14, 2014 5:54 PM

CHRISISALL


Niki, that's great research, but it doesn't address Nobody's question.
No answer can.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 6:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Did No body have a question? I couldn't find it.


To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, April 14, 2014 7:13 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


If only Y'all were half as clever as you think Y'all are.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 7:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And we should accept your valuation because you've supplied us such eloquent proof that we're not?

If you have ANYthing to back up your snark, now would be the time to post it.


To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Monday, April 14, 2014 7:24 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And we should accept your valuation because you've supplied us such eloquent proof that we're not?

If you have ANYthing to back up your snark, now would be the time to post it.


Can't right now Rue, I'm too busy studying my HAZWOPER.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 7:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

You're more of a Hillary type of guy, huh?



Your attempt to demean me fails as well.
Hmmm, you're GOOD at failure.



And you're great a denial.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, April 14, 2014 7:33 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And you're great a denial.

Once AGAIN, you lose. Better stop while you're a behind.

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Monday, April 14, 2014 7:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I can wait. Just so you have something.

Did my HAZWOPER already. And just got my 3 year MAZMAT shipping certification on Friday. So I'm all set.


To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Niki, that's great research, but it doesn't address Nobody's question.
No answer can.


Oh, I dunno Chris…that's seven "neocon douchebags" who were saying the E.R. was the equivalent of "coverage" right there…




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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:20 PM

STORYMARK


You just have to laugh at these pathetic losers. They deny reality and actual fact, rely on fantasy, and call others stupid for not buying into their dreamworld.






"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:21 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And you're great a denial.

Once AGAIN, you lose. Better stop while you're a behind.



Rappy will never, ever stop striving for lower depths.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:39 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Storymark:

Rappy will never, ever stop striving for lower depths.



Trying to reach you and raise your level of consciousness might be a futile gesture, but that doesn't mean I should stop, does it ?

Meh. Never say never.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, HAZWOPER refresher is an 8 hour class. You done yet?
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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
And we should accept your valuation because you've supplied us such eloquent proof that we're not?

If you have ANYthing to back up your snark, now would be the time to post it.


Can't right now Rue, I'm too busy studying my HAZWOPER.




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OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
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