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Pants on Fire: Ann Coulter says a friend's sister "died from Obamacare" because Blue Shield of California left

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Another right-wing lie exposed:
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Of all the reasons Republicans oppose Obamacare, none is more stark than death.

Conservative pundit Ann Coulter on Feb. 2, 2014, offered what she called a "shocking and horrible" personal story on Fox & Friends Weekend illustrating lethal consequences of the health care law. Coulter told host Tucker Carlson that she woke up Saturday morning to an email from a friend who said her sister "almost died because of Obamacare."

Coulter zipped through the backstory:

The woman "had been thrown off her insurance plan, you know Blue Shield completely just pulled out of California."

The woman tried to "get on Obamacare, (but) couldn’t get through the website." Then she got a fever, but she didn’t want to go to the emergency room without insurance. On Thursday, the woman went into septic shock, Coulter said, and went to the hospital.

Coulter recounted the story in a Saturday speech. "I got up to my hotel room after the speech and my friend sent me an email saying, ‘My sister died from Obamacare,’ " she said.

Carlson responded, "That is completely shocking."

Coulter added that she asked her friend if she could tweet the sister's story, and "She said, 'Julie would be very happy for you to tweet this.' "

We don't know the name of the woman (beyond Julie), the type of coverage she had or anything about her medical history, and Coulter did not respond to our request for more information. But the claim that someone "died from Obamacare" because Blue Shield "completely just pulled out of California" is something we can fact-check.

It’s obviously misleading to say someone died from Obamacare in the same way someones dies from cancer or a car accident. Hospitals in the United States are required to treat patients whether they have health insurance or not.

But more germane to this particular fact-check is Coulter’s assertion that the woman found herself without insurance because Blue Shield pulled out of the state of California.

That did not happen.

Blue Shield of California: Still in business

Some insurance companies stopped writing health insurance policies in the individual market in California, but not Blue Shield of California.

The not-for-profit insurer competes with for-profit insurer Anthem Blue Cross and Kaiser Permanente. It continues to be a big player in the individual marketplace, which is what we assume Coulter is talking about, as well as the state’s health exchange, Covered California.

Like other insurers across California and the country, Blue Shield of California could no longer offer some health insurance plans because they did not include "essential health benefits" required by the Affordable Care Act.

These plans could not be grandfathered in under the new law. Blue Shield of California sent letters to 119,000 customers in September notifying them their current plans would end "but we can still have you covered in 2014." PunditFact obtained a sample cancellation letter from the company.

The letter explained Blue Shield would offer new plans that include the minimum health benefits required by the health care law, such as emergency services, prescription drugs and preventive care.

If a customer took no action after reading the letter, he or she would be automatically enrolled into a new plan recommended by Blue Shield. This was meant "to ensure that no one experienced a lapse in coverage," said spokeswoman Mia Campitelli.

The letters went to 57 percent of the insurer’s individual market customers, she said. For two-thirds of the people who lost their plan, the recommended option was more expensive, the Los Angeles Times reported.

This scenario was similar for 300,000 Florida Blue customers last fall. U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said affected customers were "going to lose their individual coverage because of Obamacare. Now those people next year, they don’t have health insurance." But PolitiFact Florida rated that claim Mostly False because they were not losing coverage unless they opted out.

Most of these Blue Shield of California customers were given the chance to temporarily extend their old plan until the end of March 2014 because the state’s insurance regulator determined they did not give customers 180 days of notice. About 15,000 people decided to take the extension, Campitelli said.

For a customer to be without Blue Shield coverage after getting the letter, he or she would have had to contact Blue Shield to cancel the recommended plan. Campitelli said the company would not have a number for how many people chose to drop Blue Shield until open enrollment ends after March.

Trouble with the website?

Coulter said her friend’s sister tried to get Obamacare but couldn’t get through the website. (That’s assuming she canceled her Blue Shield coverage.)

But if the woman was looking for new coverage in California, she would not have needed to access the troubled federal marketplace, healthcare.gov. California is one of the states running its own insurance marketplace. Consumers are free to buy coverage directly from insurers, but if they want access to tax credits to offset the cost, they have to go through the exchange.

Covered California was not as hampered by technical difficulties as healthcare.gov, though it has not been without its snags, particularly during the hectic leadup to the end of open enrollment for 2014 coverage. The marketplace extended deadlines to accommodate some shoppers, said California deputy insurance commissioner Janice Rocco, and about 500,000 people chose an insurance plan during the Oct. 1-Dec. 31, 2013, enrollment period.

Our ruling

Coulter said a friend’s sister "died from Obamacare" because she was "thrown off her insurance plan, you know Blue Shield completely just pulled out of California."

We're not fact-checking whether someone died. We're looking at the circumstances Coulter presented.

Blue Shield did not pull out of California, and the company did not leave people without insurance. In fact, customers were allowed to keep their existing insurance plans through March. If the basic facts of Coulter’s story are accurate, the woman in question elected to drop insurance coverage.

Whatever the story of Blue Shield, saying someone died "from Obamacare" is incendiary and grossly misleading.

Coulter’s claim rates Pants on Fire.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/feb/05/ann-coulte
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Just as an aside, I happen to KNOW Blue Shield didn't "pull out of California" because both my husband and I are COVERED BY IT. I switched to it IN January...

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Expect many more deaths from this horrific Law to occur in the future too.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:22 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


When offered the lie or the truth, Auraptor will take the lie...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:32 AM

REAVERFAN


So he's lying about the red pill, huh?

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:34 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I take it he doesn't even bother to read, just spouts...


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Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by kpo:
When offered the lie or the truth, Auraptor will take the lie...

It's not personal. It's just war.



The only way it would be a lie is if the friend's sister didn't die.

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The Los Angeles Times reported on Obamacare-related coverage issues in California: “Aliso Viejo resident Danielle Nelson said Anthem Blue Cross promised half a dozen times that her oncologists would be covered under her new policy. She was diagnosed last year with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and discovered a suspicious lump near her jaw in early January. But when she went to her oncologist’s office, she promptly encountered a bright orange sign saying that Covered California plans are not accepted. ‘I’m a complete fan of the Affordable Care Act, but now I can’t sleep at night,’ Nelson said. ‘I can’t imagine this is how President Obama wanted it to happen.’”

According to CNN, “Many folks who signed up for coverage through the state and federal exchanges are running into roadblocks now that they are trying to use their new benefits. And though exchange officials and insurers have urged consumers to call their insurers if they encounter problems, many say they either wait endlessly on hold or get the runaround. Coverage for the first wave of Obamacare applicants took effect Jan. 1.”


Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1122352/ann-coulter-obamacare-killed-my-frien
ds-sister-video/#S7d2IM7r4CFL0UR4.99






Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:56 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Truly stupid, the lies are multiple. The details are in the article, but just the statement "Blue Shield completely just pulled out of California" is a TOTAL lie, Blue Shield is alive and well in California. The rest of the lies are detailed in the original article; Coulter refuses to provide the woman's information, but the person in question had to CONTACT BLUE SHIELD to CANCEL her replacement plan, or she would have been covered when she got sick. The story is a lie.

So let's debunk Rap's latest--FROM BREITBART:
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FACT CHECK: No, Obamacare Is Not 'Turning Cancer Patients Away'

Every media outlet has run at least one - a story that just doesn't stack up to the all-caps drama of its headline - and this latest gem from Breitbart is a perfect example.

The headline socks you in the gut with a shocking revelation:
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CALIFORNIA: OBAMACARE TURNING CANCER PATIENTS AWAY

Actually, the entire premise of the article's hyper-amplified headline hinges on a single anecdote about one woman who was turned away by her doctor, not the Affordable Care Act:
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Danielle Nelson said Anthem Blue Cross promised half a dozen times that her oncologists would be covered under her new policy... But when she went to her oncologist's office, she promptly encountered a bright orange sign saying that Covered California plans are not accepted... After numerous complaints to her new insurer, Anthem, and to public officials, the company said it would cover visits to her current oncologist through March 31. Nelson said such a temporary extension doesn't solve the problem, and as a result, she's rushing to check out other policies for herself before open enrollment closes in March.

Did you catch the last part? The one where it says she's "rushing to check out other policies for herself?" She's checking out those policies through Obamacare, which means not only are "cancer patients" not being "turned away" by Obamacare, the one cancer patient justifying the headline isn't.

The rest of the Breitbart article plays fast and loose with the truth as well, using a Washington Examiner story to stoke fears about an alleged "doctor boycott" of Covered California, the state's ACA exchange:
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An estimated 70% of California doctors will not participate in the Obamacare-compliant health insurance policies offered by Covered California, according to the California Medical Association.

That sounds like bad news, but there's a funny thing about those numbers - they're made up. Molly Weedn, spokeswoman for the California Medical Association, said the data cited by the Washington Examiner doesn't actually exist.
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That article was wrong... We have no idea how many doctors are participating. We don't collect that data.

In fact, Pollock's sourcing for the data in his original article, which appeared Dec. 6, is highly questionable, if not flat-out worthless. Pollock revised his story on Tuesday after he got called on it by the CMA. He now says there's no organized boycott. But he's still seems to have the story wrong.

Covered California says that the doctors participating in its exchange plans include 100% of Kaiser Permanente's 14,000 California doctors, 43,000 taking HealthNet patients and 35,000 in Blue Shield's network.

As for Pollock's 70% nonparticipation figure, he says he arrived at it after talking to "a half-dozen" independent insurance brokers and agents across the state. But it's the Washington Examiner that erected its big alarmist story on the basis of this tiny little foundation, and it's the anti-Obamacare right-wing noise machine that pumped it up to the volume of a shriek. http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-boycott-20131212,0,17
85658.story#axzz2sTv67IrR



The one source for real, verifiable numbers on enrollment comes directly from Covered California, and those numbers show that over 80% of California physicians are participating ( http://news.coveredca.com/2013/12/covered-california-unveils-robust.ht
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)
http://politix.topix.com/news/10276-fact-check-no-obamacare-is-not-tur
ning-cancer-patients-away



Debunked. Thanks for playing...now, get busy and respond with some idiocy denying the facts.


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Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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Coulter refuses to provide the woman's information ...


So, in YOUR world, that makes the story a lie ?

Gee, did we learn any lessons from the co-founder and recent CEO of Mozilla as to what happens when personal information is given out and what the Gestapo from the Left will do ?

I would hope so !

And I honestly have no idea what initiated your fetish with Breitbart, or why you keep going back to it. I never once have brought up, linked or relied on anything Breitbart related, and yet you keep barking up that entirely WRONG tree.

The most recent sources I even have mentioned on this matter are The LA Times and CNN.

Quit trying to make the story about something entirely un-related , and then claiming victory by " debunking " something which was completely off topic !


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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