HealthCare.gov 'isn't available' on last day of sign-ups by Geezer

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HealthCare.gov 'isn't available' on last day of sign-ups

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Monday, March 31, 2014 7:48 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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WASHINGTON -- On the last day to sign up for health care, the federal government's site HealthCare.gov is down.

The site says, "The system isn't available at the moment. We are currently performing maintenance. Please try again later."

The Maryland Health Connection website also says it will be down from noon to 12:15 p.m. Monday for site maintenance.

There's been a recent surge in people trying to sign up for health care.

It's not clear why the site administrators have chosen Monday as a maintenance day.

Six million people have already signed up for health insurance under "Obamacare."

http://www.wtop.com/1388/3593280/HealthCaregov-isnt-available-on-last-
day-of-sign-ups

Just effing brilliant.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 9:33 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Just effing brilliant.

www.healthcare.gov is working now. Check for yourself to see if it is still up and running.

The ACA Surge Blackout http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/the-aca-surge-blackout/

Update: And the 4th-ranking Republican in the Senate is already accusing the administration of cooking the books. I really think the possibility that the ACA might actually work never occurred to them.

It’s not in itself that big a deal, but I’m somewhat amazed by what amounts to a de facto blackout by major news media on a developing story that’s really obvious if you read the invaluable Charles Gaba, http://acasignups.net/ or even the White House blog: a huge surge in Obamacare enrollments in the final days of the signup period. The print sources I read are still putting out basically downbeat reports about the ACA, with maybe a mention 10 paragraphs in that exchange enrollments passed the 6 million mark last week. I don’t watch cable news, but from what I hear it’s all still Malaysian airways.

In the end, I guess it won’t matter in a direct sense; the final number for year 1, which looks likely to be very close to the original 7 million projection, will eventually come out. But you wonder why news media that are happy to speculate about the 2016 election aren’t interested in at least putting out a heads-up about the strong possibility of a bombshell number next week.

And where I think this does matter is that it shows a persistent slant in much reporting toward emphasizing the negatives about health reform. The website woes were, and deserved to be, a big story; the quite amazing comeback somehow doesn’t fit the preferred narrative, and is being ignored — and this despite the fact that, as Gaba notes, it offers great visuals too. http://acasignups.net/14/03/30/apple-store-opening-or-acasurge-you-be-
judge

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 31, 2014 9:52 AM

JONGSSTRAW

HHS doesn't know how many have actually paid.

HHS doesn't know how many of the "new" enrollees are people that already had insurance that got cancelled.

There's no Spanish language available.

There's no security. Cyber-security experts testified before Congress that they were able to break into Healthcare.gov. in four minutes. Wait until the criminal hackers get S.S. numbers and home addresses of millions of people.

What a pathetic joke!

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Monday, March 31, 2014 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
There's no Spanish language available.

What a pathetic joke!

Spanish www.cuidadodesalud.gov/es/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 31, 2014 12:57 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Just effing brilliant.
www.healthcare.gov is working now. Check for yourself to see if it is still up and running.

Because someone finally realized that having the system down for maintenance on the last day for timely signups wasn't a good idea. What sort of genius would schedule downtime on such a day, anyway?

Quote:
The ACA Surge Blackout http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/the-aca-surge-blackout/

Update: And the 4th-ranking Republican in the Senate is already accusing the administration of cooking the books. I really think the possibility that the ACA might actually work never occurred to them.

As noted before, per the ACAsignups site, only 62% of the folks signing up were previously uninsured. So even if the projected 7 million eventually sign up, that's only 4.34 previously uninsured who now have insurance. Glad folks are getting insured, but that's not the numbers the Administration has been touting.

And it still seems strange, what with the effectiveness of the health exchanges and folks signing up for Medicaid depending on the number of previously uninsured now getting insurance, that there are no metrics being gathered, either in the exchanges or in Medicaid signups, as to whether the folks signing up were uninsured or already had insurance. Just adding the question "Do you currently have insurance?" to the sign-up process would seem a no-brainer if you really wanted to know how many uninsured you were picking up.

All the excuse about "We can't tell who's actually paid because that's private insurance data." doesn't ring true either, since the insurance companies will have to report who hasn't paid so the government will be able to collect penalties from those individuals who don't have coverage.

Sorry, but if the Administration had been sure they'd make their numbers, they'd have had all sorts of metrics in place to prove it, rather than having to rely on CBO estimates and private websites to come up with ballpark figures.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, March 31, 2014 1:50 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

"Medical errors are linked to 440,000 deaths each year. Our new Ratings can help you find a safe hospital." - Survive Your Stay At The Hospital, Consumer Reports, May 2014, page 44-46 www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2014/05/survive-your-hospital-sta
y/index.htm

Same as the Obamacare numbers, this is also a privately made estimate. Comparatively, the Obamacare numbers controversy is trivial. Getting the correct number of deaths is more important than 'did you have health insurance before you got Obamacare?' But is the Tea Party concerned about those deaths? No. Absolute silence from the Tea Party. Campaign pledges to reduce deaths from hospital errors? No.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 31, 2014 2:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I have no idea what's going on here, and I pretty much have a stranglehold on any other benefits program out there today.

I'm in Indiana. Wish.... did you get it?

It's the wild west in these parts. The only "smart" people I know that live here don't need it. Anyone who doesn't have insurance that lives here knows even less than I do, and that's if they're not the one's flat out refusing to even look at the website.

At the end of the day, it won't be too big a deal. A $95 dollar penalty for NOT having insurance, via an extra federal income tax for the first year. (If I don't have a promotion or a new job by next year, I seriously doubt I'll even be on the hook for that)

Hopefully they got it sorted out next year before I'm required to pay more.

Sure, I'm living on next-to-nothing.... I'd rather have that $95 in my pocket at the end of the year..... I just saved 50% on my property taxes by calling Bullshit, and rich or poor, that has saved me around $1,200 a year. Whether I'm working at the Mart 10 years from now or I'm actually doing something that even encroaches my abilities, that will be $12,000 dollars I saved.

Choose your battles......

No matter what, so long as I don't bump my head too hard or smoke and/or drink my way into a 35-year-old heart attack, the worst I have to face by doing nothing is pay a $95 dollar "tax".

Hey..... yanno what.....?

As big as a video game nut I am, I am now two "generations" behind. Not only did I NOT pay $500 out the gate for an Xbox 360, but I let everyone else get the RROD that turned it into a paperweight. Now is the time to upgrade from PS2/XBox 1. Not only do I get a Bug-Free system, but it's got a hard drive that's 30 times larger than the first model, but it will cost me $300 bucks less and all of the "platinum" games from the last 5 years will be available to purchase new for 1/3rd of their original price.

I'll just look at the $95 fine in 2015 for not having insurance as a "Bad Beat".

I thought I had a hand, but it was bullshit. I called the Big Blind, but folded quickly when 3 guys after me raised. Whoops... I had the best hand.

No use crying about spilled milk. :)

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Monday, March 31, 2014 3:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

This is funny. Down from 12:00 to 12:15? Or, from what I'm seeing: "While federal officials took down healthcare.gov early Monday to fix a software bug, the site was operating at 10 a.m. New York Time" ( http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-30/obamacare-enrollment-heading-
to-7-million-at-deadline.html)

(I assume Bloomberg is an acceptable site for Geezer)

Whether 12:00-12:15 or "early Monday" to 10:00 a.m., it was back up, and hundreds of thousands of people--according to some reports, up to 2 million--were using the site Monday, thank you. This is the straw Geezer is grasping to post as a Real World Event?

Wow. Pretty desperate. What ARE our righties going to do when the ACA is firmly established and working?

Makes me giggle.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 3:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Regardless....

Website working or not, it seems that nobody in Indiana who "needs" it knows what the hell to do. I can only speak from one retail store, but I do talk to a lot of people.

Nobody I work with save a very elite few have insurance through work, yet nobody else seems to have ACA coverage either.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 4:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:41 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Website working or not, it seems that nobody in Indiana who "needs" it knows what the hell to do. I can only speak from one retail store, but I do talk to a lot of people.

What to do :
www.shelbynews.com/articles/2014/03/31/news/doc533855dd0a354314367922.
txt

Obamacare IS the conservative alternative, and not just because it was originally devised at the Heritage Foundation. It’s what a health-care system that does what even conservatives say they want, like making sure that people with preexisting conditions can get coverage, has to look like if it isn’t single-payer.

If you want preexisting conditions covered then you have to impose community rating — insurers must offer the same policies to people regardless of medical history. But just doing that causes a death spiral for insurance companies, because people wait until they’re sick to buy insurance. So you also have to have a mandate, requiring healthy people to join the insurance risk pool. And to make buying insurance possible for people with lower incomes, you have to have subsidies.

And what you’ve just defined are the essentials of ObamaRomneyCare. It’s a three-legged stool that needs all three legs. If you want to cover preexisting conditions, you must have the mandate; if you want the mandate, you must have subsidies. If you think there’s some magic market-based solution that obviates the stuff conservatives don’t like while preserving the stuff they like, you’re deluding yourself.

Obamacare is the conservative alternative, and you can’t move further right without doing no reform at all.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:26 AM

STORYMARK

I tried to get onto the site last night, just to see how bad it was. I got a message saying the site was busy, but left the page up while I browsed some other tabs, and within 10 minutes, I was in, no problem.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Funny how the administration is touting 7.1 MILLION!! on April's Fools Day.

Seriously, you'd have to be a gorram fool to believe this President.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:25 PM

STORYMARK

Figured that was coming. Idiot predicts the goal will never be hit, and when it is - all he can do is deny, based on nothing. Because the idiot cannot fathom being incorrect - even though its his most common state.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:48 PM

REAVERFAN

Join me in applauding our illustrious president for yet another stunning success!

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:57 PM

REAVERFAN

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"This law is doing what it’s supposed to do. It’s working. It’s helping people from coast to coast, all of which makes the lengths to which critics have gone to scare people, to undermine the law, or try to repeal the law without offering any plausible alternative so hard to understand.

I gotta admit. I don’t get it.
Why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance?
Why are they so mad about the idea of folks having health insurance?
Many of the tall tales that have been told about this law have been debunked. There are still no death panels. Armageddon has not arrived. Instead, this law is helping millions of Americans, and in the coming years it will help millions more. I’ve said before I will always work with anyone who is willing to make this work even better, but the debate over repealing this law is over. The Affordable Care Act is here to stay, and those who based their entire agenda on repealing it should explain to the country why Jeanie has to go back to being uninsured.
The president pointed out that if Republicans got their way and repealed this law, millions of people who now have health insurance wouldn’t have it."

Instead of running on the weak and whiny position of “fixing Obamacare,” Democrats should follow the president’s lead and explain to voters what repealing the law would mean. Repealing the law means that tens of millions of people would lose their health insurance. The ACA is working. It is helping people. The demand for Obamacare has now been proven.

The pool reporter who attended the president’s Rose Garden remarks described the scene as, “all smiles.” For years, this president and his administration have dealt with a Republican campaign of lies, scare tactics, and tall tales. Today is their day of vindication. The hundreds of millions of dollars that have been spent try to destroy the law were wasted.

President Obama was correct. People do want access to affordable health insurance.

Republicans have never been able to answer the question that the president asked, “Why are they so mad about the idea of folks having health insurance?” The president is holding Republican feet to the fire, and his not going to stop pressing until the ACA haters have been thoroughly defeated.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/01/obama-rips-republicans-why-mad-
idea-folks-health-insurance.html

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Funny how the administration is touting 7.1 MILLION!! on April's Fools Day.

Seriously, you'd have to be a gorram fool to believe this President.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

No, really?

It only took a week to get their first, what, thousand signups?
In the first 165 days they said 5.5 million enrolled. A million every 30 days, average.
Then a couple days to 6 million.
Then 2 more business days to 7.1 million. Half a million per day.

Right.
Unsourced "news" propaganda. Only CBS sourced "unidentified White House source" - we must believe whatever they tell us, regardless of facts.

How gullible must anybody be to believe this?
Surely Obama has never, ever, lied to us before (at least not in the last 3 seconds).
How asleep at the wheel must one be to belive this?
How brain dead must one be to belive this as truth?

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:17 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Figured that was coming. Idiot predicts the goal will never be hit, and when it is - all he can do is deny, based on nothing. Because the idiot cannot fathom being incorrect

"IdiotS", you mean, obviously. What are they going to do when this is all months/years behind us and the figures those millions are settled into their health insurance? One can only pity them, poor little brains spinning in circles: "It CAN'T be true!!!"

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Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:37 AM

STORYMARK

My bad. I forget we have more than one mental deficient stomping around angrily, just SURE its all lies, lies!!!!

They're hilarious.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:49 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

There's also some question about the signup numbers from the Washington Post.

They're estimating that about 85% of the folks who signed up will actually pay, so that moves 7.1 million down to around 6 million. Then they estimate that only 1/3 of the signups are people not previously insured, which make it 2 million uninsured folks who will now have insurance.

It's good that more folks are insured or have better options and possibly lower prices, but if the goal is to get all the uninsured insurance, it's not going so well.

It seems that the Administration did the same thing with the implementation of the ACA that they did in getting it passed in the first place. They just said "go make it" without much planning or oversight.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/02/obamaca
re-enrollment-numbers-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-know/?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394&hpid=z12

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Wednesday, April 2, 2014 10:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, do you have any quotes as to what was the stated goal?

"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I don't believe insuring everyone WAS the "stated goal", was it, Kiki? I believe IMPROVING the situation was--improving it as much as they could, by adopting a conservative idea, adding in conservative aspects and giving in to lots of conservative demands in hopes Republicans would work with them (which of course they didn't, and have fought it tooth and nail from the start). Yeah, of course, one party working toward improving the situation in the face of the entire other party doing everything they can to block them, should still be able to achieve miracles.

Beyond that, "estimates" aren't facts and until the facts are in, Geezer is just blowing smoke. When we find out just how many actually "don't pay their premium" and how many actually "had insurance before" (let's not go into whether that insurance would have actually covered them or not), that's the time to start deciding whether it worked or not.

Beyond that, given how all-but-impossible it was to make the ACA happen at all, it's amusing that now righties like Geezer are moaning "but it's not enough!" We all remember how helpful the Republicans were in trying to fix the health care problem back when Clinton tried...and how much they helped in making the ACA possible...oh, no, wait, they still want to kill it.

Kind of amusing how desperate Geezer's getting.

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

And I would like some facts and figures on Geezer's "only 1/3 weren't previously insured", because I don't think that's accurate.

Quote:
• At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

• A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured ( http://www.mckinsey.com/client_service/healthcare_systems_and_services
/latest_thinking), but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.

• At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand’s unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law’s implementation ( http://avalerehealth.net/expertise/managed-care/insights/observations-
as-aca-open-enrollment-closes). http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140
331,0,5472960.story#ixzz2xhCEF3VC

Given the surge since February, even those figures aren't complete yet.

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Thursday, April 3, 2014 11:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I asked because in the furor over what goals were and were not met, the right wing doesn't seem to be able to find what were the original stated ones. They keep shifting what they want to point at.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 7:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Extension now 'til April 15th.

We live in a banana Republic, where Barry can make it up as he goes.

Quote:
I asked because in the furor over what goals were and were not met, the right wing doesn't seem to be able to find what were the original stated ones. They keep shifting what they want to point at.

" Sibelius 7 million "

Google it for yourself, if you want.

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Friday, April 4, 2014 10:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Uhm, you do know that in order to show it was a goal of the administration you have to find someone IN the administration stating it as a goal - right?

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RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM

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Rappy Those are liberal. Ultra far left, uber extremists.

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