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Big climate report: Warming is big risk for people

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Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.rdmag.com/news/2014/03/big-climate-report-warming-big-risk-
people?et_cid=3843353&et_rid=366206770&type=headline


Big climate report: Warming is big risk for people

f you think of climate change as a hazard for some far-off polar bears years from now, you're mistaken. That's the message from top climate scientists gathering in Japan this week to assess the impact of global warming.

In fact, they will say, the dangers of a warming Earth are immediate and very human.

"The polar bear is us," says Patricia Romero Lankao of the federally financed National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., referring to the first species to be listed as threatened by global warming due to melting sea ice.

She will be among the more than 60 scientists in Japan to finish writing a massive and authoritative report on the impacts of global warming. With representatives from about 100 governments at this week's meeting of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, they'll wrap up a summary that tells world leaders how bad the problem is.

The key message from leaked drafts and interviews with the authors and other scientists: The big risks and overall effects of global warming are far more immediate and local than scientists once thought. It's not just about melting ice, threatened animals and plants. It's about the human problems of hunger, disease, drought, flooding, refugees and war, becoming worse.

The report says scientists have already observed many changes from warming, such as an increase in heat waves in North America, Europe, Africa and Asia. Severe floods, such as the one that displaced 90,000 people in Mozambique in 2008, are now more common in Africa and Australia. Europe and North America are getting more intense downpours that can be damaging. Melting ice in the Arctic is not only affecting the polar bear, but already changing the culture and livelihoods of indigenous people in northern Canada.

Past panel reports have been ignored because global warming's effects seemed too distant in time and location, says Pennsylvania State Univ. scientist Michael Mann.

This report finds "It's not far-off in the future and it's not exotic creatures—it's us and now," says Mann, who didn't work on this latest report.

The United Nations established the climate change panel in 1988 and its work is done by three groups. One looks at the science behind global warming. The group meeting in Japan beginning Tuesday studies its impacts. And a third looks at ways to slow warming.

Its reports have reiterated what nearly every major scientific organization has said: The burning of coal, oil and gas is producing an increasing amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide. Those gases change Earth's climate, bringing warmer temperatures and more extreme weather, and the problem is worsening.

The panel won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007, months after it issued its last report.

Since then, the impact group has been reviewing the latest research and writing 30 chapters on warming's effects and regional impacts. Those chapters haven't been officially released but were posted on a skeptical Website.

The key message can be summed up in one word that the overall report uses more than 5,000 times: risk.

"Climate change really is a challenge in managing risks," says the report's chief author, Chris Field of the Carnegie Institution of Science in California. "It's very clear that we are not prepared for the kind of events we're seeing."

Already the effects of global warming are "widespread and consequential," says one part of the larger report, noting that science has compiled more evidence and done much more research since the last report in 2007.

If climate change continues, the panel's larger report predicts these harms:

Violence: For the first time, the panel is emphasizing the nuanced link between conflict and warming temperatures. Participating scientists say warming won't cause wars, but it will add a destabilizing factor that will make existing threats worse.
Food: Global food prices will rise between 3 and 84% by 2050 because of warmer temperatures and changes in rain patterns. Hotspots of hunger may emerge in cities.
Water: About one-third of the world's population will see groundwater supplies drop by more than 10% by 2080, when compared with 1980 levels. For every degree of warming, more of the world will have significantly less water available.
Health: Major increases in health problems are likely, with more illnesses and injury from heat waves and fires and more food and water-borne diseases. But the report also notes that warming's effects on health is relatively small compared with other problems, like poverty.
Wealth: Many of the poor will get poorer. Economic growth and poverty reduction will slow down. If temperatures rise high enough, the world's overall income may start to go down, by as much as 2%, but that's difficult to forecast.

According to the report, risks from warming-related extreme weather, now at a moderate level, are likely to get worse with just a bit more warming. While it doesn't say climate change caused the events, the report cites droughts in northern Mexico and the south-central U.S., and hurricanes such as 2012's Sandy, as illustrations of how vulnerable people are to weather extremes. It does say the deadly European heat wave in 2003 was made more likely because of global warming.

Texas Tech Univ. climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe, who was not part of this report team, says the important nuance is how climate change interacts with other human problems: "It's interacting and exacerbating problems we already have today."

Univ. of Colorado science policy prof. Roger Pielke Jr., a past critic of the panel's impact reports, said after reading the draft summary, "it's a lot of important work ... They made vast improvements to the quality of their assessments."

Another critic, Univ. of Alabama Huntsville prof. John Christy, accepts man-made global warming but thinks its risks are overblown when compared with something like poverty. Climate change is not among the developing world's main problems, he says.

But other scientists say Christy is misguided. Earlier this month, the world's largest scientific organization, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, published a new fact sheet on global warming.

It said: "Climate change is already happening. More heat waves, greater sea level rise and other changes with consequences for human health, natural ecosystems and agriculture are already occurring in the U.S. and worldwide. These problems are very likely to become worse over the next 10 to 20 years and beyond."

Texas Tech's Hayhoe says scientists in the past may have created the impression that the main reason to care about climate change was its impact on the environment.

"We care about it because it's going to affect nearly every aspect of human life on this planet," she says.






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Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Only one problem.

There is no warming.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


NASA-funded study: industrial civilization headed for 'irreversible collapse'

Quote:

A new study partly-sponsored by Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Center has highlighted the prospect that global industrial civilisation could collapse in coming decades due to unsustainable resource exploitation and increasingly unequal wealth distribution.

Noting that warnings of 'collapse' are often seen to be fringe or controversial, the study attempts to make sense of compelling historical data showing that "the process of rise-and-collapse is actually a recurrent cycle found throughout history." Cases of severe civilisational disruption due to "precipitous collapse - often lasting centuries - have been quite common."

The independent research project is based on a new cross-disciplinary 'Human And Nature DYnamical' (HANDY) model, led by applied mathematician Safa Motesharrei of the US National Science Foundation-supported National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center, in association with a team of natural and social scientists. ...

By investigating the human-nature dynamics of these past cases of collapse, the project identifies the most salient interrelated factors which explain civilisational decline, and which may help determine the risk of collapse today: namely, Population, Climate, Water, Agriculture, and Energy.

These factors can lead to collapse when they converge to generate two crucial social features: "the stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity"; and "the economic stratification of society into Elites [rich] and Masses (or "Commoners") [poor]" ...

Currently, high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources, with "Elites" based largely in industrialised countries responsible for both...

"Technological change can raise the efficiency of resource use, but it also tends to raise both per capita resource consumption and the scale of resource extraction, so that, absent policy effects, the increases in consumption often compensate for the increased efficiency of resource use."

Modelling a range of different scenarios, Motesharrei and his colleagues conclude that under conditions "closely reflecting the reality of the world today... we find that collapse is difficult to avoid."

... Elite wealth monopolies mean that they are buffered from the most "detrimental effects of the environmental collapse until much later than the Commoners", allowing them to "continue 'business as usual' despite the impending catastrophe."


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-
civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists


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Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:13 PM

AURAPTOR

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After Barry re-purposed NASA , for his purely political agenda, should anyone be surprised ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:34 PM

WHOZIT


Is cooling a big risk for people? It's really cold here.

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Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

After Barry re-purposed NASA
Links please? Or are you just blowing farts out of your mouth, again?

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Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:22 PM

AURAPTOR

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Blizzard to Close Out March Across the Plains

March will end with a blizzard threatening to halt travel and severely disrupt daily routines across the northern Plains on Monday.

The blizzard will target South Dakota, southern North Dakota and northern and central Minnesota late Sunday night through Monday night.

Rapid City, Pierre and Aberdeen, S.D., Fargo, N.D., and St. Cloud and Duluth, Minn., lie within this zone.

For Rapid City, the blizzard is in the forecast despite the weekend starting with temperatures soaring to around 70 F.

Minneapolis should narrowly escape the worst of the blizzard unless the storm tracks slightly to the south. Even given the current track of the storm, the city will still be subject to a period of windswept snow and slick travel Monday night.




And for Siggy, though she doesn't deserve it, for being so gorram vulgar and base...



NASA Administrator Charles Bolden says his foremost mission as head of the space exploration agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world.
Bolden told the Arabic network Al Jazeera that the Muslim outreach is one of three objectives he was given by President Obama.



"One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math -- he wanted me to expand our international relationships and third and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science... and math and engineering," Bolden said.



http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/transcript/obama-gives-na
sa-new-mission

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Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:41 PM

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Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:44 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Blizzard to Close Out March Across the Plains

March will end with a blizzard threatening to halt travel and severely disrupt daily routines across the northern Plains on Monday.

The blizzard will target South Dakota, southern North Dakota and northern and central Minnesota late Sunday night through Monday night.

Rapid City, Pierre and Aberdeen, S.D., Fargo, N.D., and St. Cloud and Duluth, Minn., lie within this zone.

For Rapid City, the blizzard is in the forecast despite the weekend starting with temperatures soaring to around 70 F.

Minneapolis should narrowly escape the worst of the blizzard unless the storm tracks slightly to the south. Even given the current track of the storm, the city will still be subject to a period of windswept snow and slick travel Monday night.




And for Siggy, though she doesn't deserve it, for being so gorram vulgar and base...



NASA Administrator Charles Bolden says his foremost mission as head of the space exploration agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world.
Bolden told the Arabic network Al Jazeera that the Muslim outreach is one of three objectives he was given by President Obama.



"One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math -- he wanted me to expand our international relationships and third and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science... and math and engineering," Bolden said.



http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report/transcript/obama-gives-na
sa-new-mission

Once again, extreme weather is indicative of global warming.

As for NASA'a mission, that's very smart. Encouraging education might result in fewer extremists, fewer suicide attacks, and more girls' clits being left alone.

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Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:47 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Once again, extreme weather is indicative of global warming.



Or cooling, what ever.

Quote:



As for NASA'a mission, that's very smart. Encouraging education might result in fewer extremists, fewer suicide attacks, and more girls' clits being left alone.



Not NASA's job to worry about young girl's clits.

Perv.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:28 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Siggy, worth a mention here is that said NASA funded study points out that it's not gonna be climate which does the most damage, but the inevitable result of the Nobles screwing the Commoners past the point of tolerance, with really obvious results - something I been pointing out for a decade and more.

Yeah, there's a storm comin alright, but it ain't fuckin WEATHER.

-F

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Sunday, March 30, 2014 11:45 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Only one problem.

There is no warming.


This is why I haven't been around here much lately.
Haken, why is this spamming fool suffered here?
Is he entertainment from the suffering Right wingnuts?
I'd rather have reasoned discussion without the extreme stupid bullshit.
I'll check back in a while.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 5:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Only one problem.

There is no warming.


This is why I haven't been around here much lately.
Haken, why is this spamming fool suffered here?
Is he entertainment from the suffering Right wingnuts?
I'd rather have reasoned discussion without the extreme stupid bullshit.
I'll check back in a while.



Yes, deny the rights of others with whom you disagree. Silence them! Ban them! Toss them in jail!

KILL THE DENIER !


Freakin' cultist.


Oh, btw...

If Silver’s data-drive approach gets in the way of your political aims, so much the better. – Michael Brendan Dougherty

Quote:


NATURAL DISASTERS 7:22 AM MAR 19, 2014

Disasters Cost More Than Ever — But Not Because of Climate Change

By ROGER PIELKE JR.

In the 1980s, the average annual cost of natural disasters worldwide was $50 billion. In 2012, Superstorm Sandy met that mark in two days. As it tore through New York and New Jersey on its journey up the east coast, Sandy became the second-most expensive hurricane in American history, causing in a few hours what just a generation ago would have been a year’s worth of disaster damage.

Sandy’s huge price tag fit a trend: Natural disasters are costing more and more money. See the graph below, which shows the global tally of disaster expenses for the past 24 years. It’s courtesy of Munich Re, one of the world’s largest reinsurance companies, which maintains a widely used global loss data set. (All costs are adjusted for inflation.)

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/disasters-cost-more-than-ever-but-
not-because-of-climate-change
/





Quote:

Inconvenient truth of carbon offsets

" ...Offsetting is worse than doing nothing. It is without scientific legitimacy, is dangerously misleading and almost certainly contributes to a net increase in the absolute rate of global emissions growth."


http://judithcurry.com/2014/03/28/inconvenient-truth-of-carbon-offsets/




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, March 31, 2014 9:00 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Originally posted by chrisisall:

"This is why I haven't been around here much lately." ... Oh, such a delicate flower! And I thought you had won the lottery.

"Haken, why is this spamming fool suffered here?" ... Thou shall not suffer a witch, eh? Wanna burn all who don't agree with leftist psychos at the stake? Well, isn't that special!

"Is he entertainment from the suffering Right wingnuts?" ... Looks like you're the one that's suffering. Sorry that Obama and liberalism have self-destructed in front of your face.

"I'd rather have reasoned discussion without the extreme stupid bullshit." ... You and I occasionally found common ground and reasoned discussion, but the left-wing trolls always jumped in to call it a circle jerk or something.

"I'll check back in a while." ... Why? You'll be happier staying away. Join the gang at Daily Kos and HuffPo. They think just like you so you can feel safe and confident that you're always right.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 10:09 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Really. I already posted my " bye " pic for Chrissy, cause he said he was outta here.

And yet, he keeps NOT leaving.

Does that seem right to you ?

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Monday, March 31, 2014 10:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

And for Siggy, though she doesn't deserve it, for being so gorram vulgar and base...
OK, so NASA has been re-tasked by Obama- one of the reasons why you don't accept the report. But in this thread about climate change and cataclysmic social collapse, apparently NONE of NASA's new goals has anything to do with climate change.

So the reason why you object to the NASA-funded study is not because it's part of Obama's new "liberal" agency agenda, but because....?

Heck, what are you saying, rappy?

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Monday, March 31, 2014 10:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


If Obama is willing to change nasa's mission to fit one agenda, why not another ?

Obama is more political in his views tan any President in my lifetime. I put zero beyond this man.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 10:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

If Obama is willing to change nasa's mission to fit one agenda, why not another ?
Well, in other words, you object to the report not because it's UNTRUE but because you SUPPOSE it MIGHT BE driven by a liberal agenda.

Wow, assume much?

Instead of making up conspiracy theories about NASA, I think it would be more fruitful- and certainly more realistic- to look at the content of the article itself and examine it for flaws. Yanno, look at the history it references and the procedure that it uses to extend that history into a prediction for the future. It's a lot of thinking, I know, and thinking is hard work. But right now the point that you're trying to make ... NASA is being driven by a political agenda set by Obama, and even though I can't find any evidence that THIS report is driven by that agenda, I reject it because it MIGHT BE driven by some hidden agenda I know nothing about .... is worth diddly. Well, it's good for a chuckle.


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Monday, March 31, 2014 11:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


AGW is proven false as is, so I dismiss any agenda driven drivel anyway.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, March 31, 2014 11:32 AM

STORYMARK


In rappyland, "proven" apparently means "what he wants to believe, in defiance of all actual evidence. Cuz, libruls."

I cannot even fathom how this idiot zealot's brain even fires neurons.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, March 31, 2014 12:05 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


17+ years of no global warming = " this idiot " denying the IS global warming.

StoryPunk , when are you going to grow the hell up & figure out that you name calling me isn't goin to win you the debate OR prove AGW?


Ever?

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Monday, March 31, 2014 12:21 PM

STORYMARK


You don't debate, or deal in facts. You spout the same BS over and over, and are worth nothing BUT namecalling.

So, cheers. And fuck you.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, March 31, 2014 12:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, the global air temperature has not been rising as fast as it used to, it's true. OTOH, it is still rising. As evidence, our most recent years are being included in the "top ten"

NCDC Announces Warmest Year on Record for Contiguous U.S. (2012)

Quote:

[T]emperatures were warm enough for 2012 to remain the record warmest year, by a wide margin.... The U.S. Climate Extremes Index indicated that 2012 was the second most extreme year on record for the nation.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/news/ncdc-announces-warmest-year-record-conti
guous-us


So, announcing the death of global warming is not only premature, but counterfactual. (That's a good word, rappy, you might want to look it up.)

Part of the explanation lies here...

Oceans Warming Faster Than They Have Over Past 10,000 Years

Quote:

Yet even though the carbon concentration in the atmosphere gradually increased, passing the 400 parts per million threshold earlier this year, the planet’s average surface temperatures have remained pretty much the same over the past 15 years. The Earth hasn’t cooled— this past decade has still been the hottest on record —but temperatures haven’t risen as climate models predicted. Call it a “pause,” call it a “hiatus,” [call it a "slowdown"- SIGNY] but the question is clear: where’s the heat?

Try the ocean. That’s one takeaway from a new paper published in Science today, one of a number of studies suggesting that the oceans depths seem to be soaking up the excess heat energy created by the accumulation of greenhouse gases.


http://science.time.com/2013/11/01/oceans-warming-faster-than-they-hav
e-over-past-10000-years
/

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Monday, March 31, 2014 1:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, since I'm keeping score, this is how it stacks up:

kiki wins
reichtwhinge loses

After posting a simple item about the REAL WORLD, the rechtwhinge instantly trolled with off-topic snark. Since then, they've totally failed to address the topic, and continue to show that they're nothing but trolls.



"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

-- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 5:28 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Really. I already posted my " bye " pic for Chrissy, cause he said he was outta here.

And yet, he keeps NOT leaving.

Does that seem right to you ?


I don't know. I've never been able to figure him out even after all these many years. He is the only lib here with any sense of humor, and, er, well, I guess that counts for somethin'.

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Monday, March 31, 2014 5:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
You don't debate, or deal in facts. You spout the same BS over and over, and are worth nothing BUT namecalling.

So, cheers. And fuck you.



You're right. I don't debate. It's nothing but a tedious and self pleasuring endeavor. The craftiest word smith could "win" a debate arguing either side, regardless of the facts.

But you're also wrong, as ALL I DO IS DEAL IN FACTS ! I am consistent, yes, because I know what the hell I'm talking about and have the damn courage to not waiver. Not even when I'm being ganged up against by a bunch of internet cowards who can offer little more than vulgarity and personal insults to anyone who doesn't fall in line.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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