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Missing Malaysian Airline flight.

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 9:09 AM

AURAPTOR

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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia - Military radar indicates that the missing Boeing 777 jet may have turned back before vanishing, Malaysia's air force chief said Sunday as authorities were investigating up to four passengers with suspicious identifications.

Air force chief Rodzali Daud didn't say which direction the plane veered when it apparently went off course, or how long it flew in that direction.

The revelations add to the uncertainties surrounding the final minutes of flight MH370, which was carrying 239 people when it lost contact with ground controllers somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam after leaving Kuala Lumpur early Saturday morning for Beijing.

A massive international sea search has so far turned up no trace of the plane, which lost contact with the ground when the weather was fine, the plane was already cruising and the pilots didn't send a distress signal - unusual circumstance for a modern jetliner operated by a professional airline to crash.




To date, no debris field has been found.

Two of the passengers were carrying stolen passports also raised the unsettling possibility of foul play.

No call for help or distress signal was received.

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 1:33 PM

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Update: Malaysia Airlines missing jet: object in water might be plane's door

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-missing-jet-object-in-w
ater-might-be-plane-s-door-1.2565649



Curious. An actual real world event, the mysterious disappearance of an airliner , and no replies ?

Really?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 2:01 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Curious. An actual real world event, the mysterious disappearance of an airliner , and no replies ?

Really?



If they can't blame it on Bush, who cares?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 2:10 PM

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Still early on in the investigation. Not real sure what will be found, and when. Boeing 777's generally don't just fall out of the sky on their own. And no distress call...

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:42 PM

OONJERAH



I suspect highjack AtM.



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Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What's there to comment on? It's a shame ... and?

Or are we supposed to get all googly-eyed and crazy over NO CURRENT INFORMATION, like you?

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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:05 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
What's there to comment on? It's a shame ... and?

Or are we supposed to get all googly-eyed and crazy over NO CURRENT INFORMATION, like you?



239 people perished, and no one is sure what happened.

That doesn't happen every day.

If you have to ask why should you care, then I can't tell you.

It's a real world event. Ignore it, if you wish.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:57 AM

OONJERAH



How do you know they perished? Any corpses?

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Monday, March 10, 2014 7:26 AM

REAVERFAN


It's easy to speculate. Until there's real evidence, that's all you're doing.

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Monday, March 10, 2014 7:55 AM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

How do you know they perished? Any corpses?



Last time an airliner went missing for a few days & there was no great loss of life?

I know there have been tv shows on such, but irl ?

I'd love to be wrong on this.

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Monday, March 10, 2014 7:59 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


There is precedent for a modern jetliner to fall from the sky while "in the cruise" and lay hidden for months. On June 1, 2009, Air France flight 447 was en route from Rio De Janeiro to Paris' Charles de Gaulle International Airport when communications ended suddenly from the Airbus A330, another state-of-the-art aircraft. www.cnn.com/2012/07/05/world/europe/france-air-crash-report/index.html

When ice crystals blocked the plane's pitot tubes, which are part of a system used to determine air speed, the autopilot disconnected and the pilots did not correctly react to what was happening. Better that River is Serenity's pilot than Mal. Who thinks Mal would remember what is in the technical manual? Or have read it, even?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 10, 2014 8:11 AM

REAVERFAN


“777 crash confirms jihadists turning to make trouble for China. Chance for US to make common cause, befriend China while Russia bullies.” - tweet from who?

Rupert Murdoch.

No facts yet, but plenty of spin.

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Monday, March 10, 2014 12:46 PM

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Terrorists are going to attack Indonesia, which has a very large Islamic population? Or China, with its totalitarianism and militarism? Those are 2 nations you wouldn't want to antagonize, especially if you're Islamic or anti-USA. Would tend to drive both of them back toward pro-West, pro-USA. And piss the Chinese off, who wouldn't be shy about whacking you back.

SO that would seem like a loser idea, strategically, from a terrorist POV.

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Monday, March 10, 2014 4:57 PM

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Day 3, still no sign of missing plane.

‘Iranian man booked tickets for pair who used stolen passports on MH370'
Travel agent says ‘Mr Ali’ bought seats on missing Malaysian plane for the two men, Financial Times reports

'Iranian man booked tickets for pair who used stolen passports on MH370' | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-man-booked-tickets-for-pair-who-u
sed-stolen-passports-on-mh370/#ixzz2vayECd30


Still no sign that it was terrorism, though. Tragic, regardless.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:20 PM

WHOZIT


It's not the 1st time a really big plane has disappeared.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Missing_aircraft

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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:26 PM

OONJERAH


Why so few clues about missing Malaysia flight?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/10/opinion/palmer-malaysia-aircraft-air-fra
nce
/

"The Air France [477] flight's string of events was precipitated by
onboard faults that were automatically transmitted to the airline's
headquarters during its final minutes. While they lacked any flight
parameters, these maintenance fault messages gave key clues,
though not a definitive cause of that accident, before any wreckage
was found.

"Flight data recorders are key ...

"Flight data recorders contain data from more than 1,000 aircraft
parameters, including altitude, vertical speed, airspeed, heading,
control positions and parameters of the engines and most of the
aircraft's onboard systems ...

"Once the wreckage is located, an examination of the debris and its
distribution will tell investigators if the airplane was intact upon impact
and the angle at which it hit.

... "In the meantime, speculation is often inaccurate and unproductive."


WoW! There's so much they can figure out by data transmisson. Amazing!
I don't like the "Once the wreckage is located" line.
I simply prefer a highjack for better chance of passengers' survival.

One Thing to ask: Is any of this flight recorder data transmitted to the
airport continuously during flight? If so, wouldn't they know exactly
when the plane stopped flying?

"Palmer: Based on plane's last position, the search area is extremely large."

Means: They have a Last Position.

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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:27 PM

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Most 'missing' aircraft had a passenger list in the single digits.

None had anywhere near the 239 who are missing since last Friday.

The last time a plane with over 100 passengers went missing was 1962, over the pacific.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:33 PM

JONGSSTRAW


The plane must have flown through a temporal rift. The only question is will the people be gobbled up by the Langoliers, or will they be smart enough to figure out how to get back to the present. If so, the plane could appear at any moment.

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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:43 PM

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Never sat through that movie long enough to know what in the hell a Langolier was.

Wish there was a Gilligan's Island ending to this story, but real life don't work that way.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:58 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Never sat through that movie long enough to know what in the hell a Langolier was.


Well if you don't like that scenario, then another possibility is that Louise Baltimore snatched the plane and sent it to the future right before it would have crashed. "Coventry, send The Gate!"


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Wish there was a Gilligan's Island ending to this story, but real life don't work that way.


Sometimes it does. Life or death can be decided by inches or seconds, and miracles occur all the time.


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Monday, March 10, 2014 7:11 PM

WHOZIT


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The plane must have flown through a temporal rift. The only question is will the people be gobbled up by the Langoliers, or will they be smart enough to figure out how to get back to the present. If so, the plane could appear at any moment.





I think Aliens took them back to their planet to repopulate it.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:08 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Curious. An actual real world event, the mysterious disappearance of an airliner , and no replies ?

Really?

If they can't blame it on Bush, who cares?


If you have to ask why should you care, then I can't tell you. (Apparently saying 'it's a shame' counts as asking why one should care.)

It's a real world event. Ignore it, if you wish.


How peculiar. After our right-wing contingent scolded us for not being sufficiently panicked over speculation, the right-wing contingent now feels the appropriate response is to make fun of the situation.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:02 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What's there to comment on? It's a shame ... and?

Or are we supposed to get all googly-eyed and crazy over NO CURRENT INFORMATION, like you?



How was I or anyone " googly-eyed " ? I simply stated the facts, that a plane with 239 on board was ( and still is ) missing.

And under unusual circumstances, for a modern airliner.

And why are you lumping anyone not politically affiliated w/ your view into one group. I posted the topic, and never made light of the matter. Others did, as is often the case w/ human nature, to interject humor so as to avoid the unsettling ( or horrific ) alternative. The likelihood of a happy ending is less and less, but as was so bluntly stated before, we don't really know. So yes, we're left to speculate.

A mature, reasonable person would be more concerned for those on board and their friends / families than fret over scoring internet brownie points on some message board.

I guess 1kiki doesn't fall into that category.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
What's there to comment on? It's a shame ... and?

Or are we supposed to get all googly-eyed and crazy over NO CURRENT INFORMATION, like you?



How was I or anyone " googly-eyed " ? I simply stated the facts, that a plane with 239 on board was ( and still is ) missing.

And under unusual circumstances, for a modern airliner.

And why are you lumping anyone not politically affiliated w/ your view into one group. I posted the topic, and never made light of the matter. Others did, as is often the case w/ human nature, to interject humor so as to avoid the unsettling ( or horrific ) alternative. The likelihood of a happy ending is less and less, but as was so bluntly stated before, we don't really know. So yes, we're left to speculate.

A mature, reasonable person would be more concerned for those on board and their friends / families than fret over scoring internet brownie points on some message board.

I guess 1kiki doesn't fall into that category.


Kuku and the rest of the Real Housewives of Libtardville can fill up an entire thread happily bitching about the weather (sigh), but when the Vagisil runs out they must seek relief by any means possible.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:21 PM

OONJERAH



Meanwhile, re: missing Malaysia flight MH370 ...
I just read that missing passengers' cell phones are still Ringable.
This is good.


====================== :>

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Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:48 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Meanwhile, re: missing Malaysia flight MH370 ...
I just read that missing passengers' cell phones are still Ringable.
This is good.


====================== :>

Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
~Mark Twain



Good? Possibly. Also weird as hell. There's also the news that " radar evidence " puts the plane some 350 miles away from the last known location.

I'm sensing some wild goose chase stories here, and in the end, it'll be up on the bottom of the ocean, not far from where everyone thought. Again, hope I'm wrong here.

But these 'reports' remind me a bit of the mystery ships that were 'somewhere' in the ocean, leading up to the 2nd Iraq war.

I'm hoping for the Gilligan's Island ending, I really am. It just never happens.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:12 AM

OONJERAH


Missing MH370: 'Alright, good night' were pilot's last heard words
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/12/Missing-plane-last-wo
rds
/

"... The official replied that the Malaysian military was assisting
investigations "at a high level."

"Pressed repeatedly on what information the military had given
authorities, he finally replied that "now is not the time" to
reveal it.

"Some of the families shouted incredulously at this, but one
man who had taken on the role of family representative said
that they understood, and that they hoped Malaysia would
reveal the information as soon as possible.

"The exchange boosted theories among the anxious families
that there are ongoing secret negotiations with terrorists
who had hijacked the plane. Adding to this was the official's
earlier statement that Malaysia hopes that the passengers
are alive. ..."

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:52 AM

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There have been complaints that the Malaysian investigation over the missing plane has been inconsistent, uncoordinated and lacking in leadership.

Are we dealing w/ sheer incompetence, or do they really know something and aren't saying?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

There have been complaints that the Malaysian investigation over the missing plane has been inconsistent, uncoordinated and lacking in leadership.

Are we dealing w/ sheer incompetence, or do they really know something and aren't saying?


They sat in silence as tens of millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours were wasted searching in an area where they knew all along the plane could not possibly be. Quite vexing indeed.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:53 PM

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Yeah... That is odd.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:47 PM

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Hate to quote Jayne, but I saw this comin'.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Doubts about military track of plane


Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: The Malaysia Air Force now says they are not certain that the aircraft spotted by military radar west of Malaysia is Flight 370.


KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA AND PHU QUOC, VIETNAM

Malaysia's military has traced what could have been the jetliner missing for almost five days to an area near India's Andaman and Nicobar islands, hundreds of miles from its last known position, the country's air force chief said on Wednesday.

After a series of at times conflicting statements, the latest revelation underlined that authorities remain uncertain even where to look for the plane, and no closer to explaining what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 or the 239 people on board.

The flight disappeared from civilian radar screens shortly before 1:30 a.m. on Saturday, less than an hour after taking off from Kuala Lumpur, as it flew northeast across the mouth of the Gulf of Thailand bound for Beijing. What happened next is one of the most baffling mysteries in modern aviation history.

Malaysian air force chief Rodzali Daud told a news conference that an aircraft was plotted on military radar at 2:15 a.m., 200 miles (320 km) northwest of Penang Island off Malaysia's west coast.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0312/Malaysia-Ai
rlines-Flight-370-Doubts-about-military-track-of-plane


*updated*



The Situation Room ?@CNNSitRoom 1h
Chinese satellite images are 1st solid lead consistent w/ #MH370's path, Fmr NTSB official tells @jaketapper #TheLead pic.twitter.com/5zTRQEgtE3

Not looking like the happy ending after all.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:28 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Good thing China has a satellite to capture these pictures. I guess all the American satellites were too busy processing tweets and porn requests to notice a silly thing like a missing plane.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:28 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Meanwhile, after 5 days authorities still cannot give any relevant information about the two Iranians on board with stolen passports. One way tickets to Beijing paid for with cash? Uh huh.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:50 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Meanwhile, after 5 days authorities still cannot give any relevant information about the two Iranians on board with stolen passports. One way tickets to Beijing paid for with cash? Uh huh.



Hey, they've been cleared of any suspicion. So it had to be the pilot or mechanical issues. Maybe the fuel some how vaporized and was ignited by faulty wiring.

Yeah. That's the ticket.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:02 AM

AURAPTOR

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Still missing

And the debris picked up by Chinese satellite ? Apparently NOT from the missing 777.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:00 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Wall Street Journal reports today that the plane's engines continued to transmit maintenance data to Rolls Royce for 4 hours after the transponders went dark. So the plane could have flown another 2,200 miles from the last reported check-in spot. Of course the Malaysian Govt. is denying this news from the WSJ, which is to be expected, because so far that Govt. and Mayalsian Air have stonewalled, lied, and been dead wrong on everything they've said. And also today, China is saying that the satellite images they held for 4 days and then released were not released by them. 2,200 miles puts the plane just about anywhere, including Pakistan.

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Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

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I'm wondering, if the WSJ report is being misreported, or they go their info wrong, in whether the engines DID actually transmit data, or just that they were designed to do so.

Also, per the mobile phones still being active... how is it that no one has done a check on this ? If there's a signal, can't they find the location? Seems like step 1 for any investigation, unless there's some asinine privacy laws or restrictions which is keeping " the authorities " from doing so. What a freaking tragic joke, if the one time civilian phones AREN'T tracked , is when they're actually needed to be ,in a life or death situation.

I bet they know, and simply aren't saying. Either way, there should be SOME word on this matter.


And how does one fly a 777 over the subcontinent of India, and not get detected ? I'm wondering if that 2,200 miles includes taking the feet wet route around the southern coast of India.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:10 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm wondering, if the WSJ report is being misreported, or they go their info wrong, in whether the engines DID actually transmit data, or just that they were designed to do so.


Only Rolls Royce can confirm if info was sent. I don't know if they have confirmed anything yet.

Quote:

Also, per the mobile phones still being active... how is it that no one has done a check on this ? If there's a signal, can't they find the location? Seems like step 1 for any investigation, unless there's some asinine privacy laws or restrictions which is keeping " the authorities " from doing so. What a freaking tragic joke, if the one time civilian phones AREN'T tracked , is when they're actually needed to be ,in a life or death situation.

The phones could have been collected by hijackers, or they might be at the bottom of the ocean. Or something else.

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I bet they know, and simply aren't saying. Either way, there should be SOME word on this matter.

Not necessarily. If terrorism is or was involved, then the cone of silence is lowered and they say nothing to the public.

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And how does one fly a 777 over the subcontinent of India, and not get detected ? I'm wondering if that 2,200 miles includes taking the feet wet route around the southern coast of India.

Flying low under the radar and in darkness might explain how it could cross India undetected. Six days and nothing. It's amazing.

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Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:00 PM

AURAPTOR

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Here's the latest I'm hearing , as it's being relayed over the local news radio station -

The Rolls Royce engines ran for 5 hours after the last known signal from the transponders. Supposedly the engines ping maintenance data every hour they're in operation. RR received 5 pings.

The 777 has the longest flight capacity of any airliner in the world. While it wouldn't have full tanks for this flight, it likely would have enough for the distance needed, plus a couple of hours extra.

( I think I heard that flight370 was lost approx 1 hour into its flight plan )

As for the phones, there are reports that family members were getting connect rings long after the plane was lost. If hijackers had them, it didn't matter. There should still be a way to track those phones. Or should have been, until and unless they were turned off.

The issue of piloting a plane, in the dark, w/ out ATC assistance, over who knows where, for 5+ hours, seems a tall order for some hijacker. At least, I doubt they could have landed safely under those circumstances.

ETA - Just watched some guy on FOX, experienced pilot who seems to know a thing or 2 about the 777. It needs 3,500 ft to land, which he says isn't all that hard to find. ( At least here in the US ).Says there are airfields all over the place, some from WW2 even, that could be used. ( Again, not sure how many there are in that part of the world ). Landing would be relatively easy. It's taking off again that would be an issue.



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Friday, March 14, 2014 3:19 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Haven't been following this closely, and haven't read thru this thread, just wondered if this had been brought up:
Quote:

Sabotage Suspected on Missing Jet, as Search Area Expands

Malaysian officials investigating the disappearance of Flight MH370 say evidence from military radar-tracking suggests it was deliberately flown off-course.

A report indicated Friday that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 might have been deliberately flown off course when it vanished without a trace almost a week ago, as the search radius for the missing jet expanded once again amid conflicting reports and dashed hopes.

Reuters, citing unnamed sources familiar with the investigation into the disappearance, reports that military radar-tracking evidence suggests the Boeing 777 was deliberately flown across the Malay peninsula toward the Andaman Islands, a chain of isles between the Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal. An unidentified aircraft was apparently spotted following a route between navigational waypoints, indicating the pilot had considerable aviation training. The revelation has renewed questions about whether foul play was involved in the disappearance of a plane that was carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, and for which authorities have scoured the ocean for days to no avail.

“What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards,” one source, a senior Malaysian police official, told Reuters.

Malaysian officials said Thursday that two communications systems on board the aircraft—the data reporting system and the transponder transmitting location and altitude—shut down 14 minutes apart. Some analysts claim this points toward a deliberate attempt to conceal the aircraft’s movements. But retired Colonel J. F. Josephs, an aviation accident investigator, said “this seems speculative and somewhat of a reach.

“You could choose to shut down both systems simultaneously, and it could just as well have been caused by an electrical failure,” he told TIME.

The U.S. Navy destroyer USS Kidd is currently cruising toward the Indian Ocean, the opposite direction of the ill-fated flight’s original route. Malaysian authorities have requested the vessel’s help there after it emerged that “pings” may have been picked up from the plane’s service data system up to five hours after its transponder emitted its last signal.

“Certain ships and aircraft stay in the east, and some go to the west,” Cmdr. William Marks of the U.S. 7th Fleet told CNN on Thursday. “We’re moving to the west.”

Mark said moving into the third largest ocean in the world will be like going “from a chess board to a football field.”

“It’s a completely new game,” he said. “Now we have to come up with a new strategy, new tactics.”

Josephs, who took part in locating the Air France flight 447 that crashed into the Atlantic in 2009, called it a “daunting task.”

“Even if you’re in the right grid coordinates, there are so many variables that affect the probability of detection,” he said. “The illumination, the sea stack, weather, salt. You could be able to see for millions of miles at an altitude, but at the surface you’re relying on acoustics equipment and looking through binoculars for hours at the time.”

Air traffic controllers lost contact with the plane, carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew, at about 1:30 a.m. Saturday. The jetliner had just reached cruising altitude of almost 35,000 feet and was located at the mouth of the Gulf of Thailand. No distress call was received. Twelve nations have become involved in a search and rescue operation involving scores of ships and aircraft, scouring an expanding area on both sides of the Malay Peninsula.

While U.S. officials told CNN that the Indian Ocean is a likely crash site, other facts continue to deepen the mystery. An electrical failure of the magnitude Josephs suggested would be a somewhat catastrophic scenario, which would likely also have impacted the pilots navigating capability.

“Some sort of failure that takes out communications would probably also take out navigation since the electronics are based in the same place,” said Bruce Rodger, an aviation consultant at Aero Consulting Experts, a company that provide litigators with expert material. “The pilots would have been inundated with smoke , have their masks on, basically flying blind until the gas runs out.”

However, Rodger added, a fire like that would probably take out other systems too, making it unlikely for the aircraft to stay airborne for as long as five hours. But any drastic deceleration of the aircraft would have set off the emergency beacon, which never occurred.

“It’s unusual that the emergency beacon didn’t go off,” Rodger said. “It could mean that the plane didn’t crash, it didn’t end up in the water or that an explosion completely annihilated the device.”

Both Josephs and Rodger said that with significant knowledge, it would be possible to shut down both the data reporting system and the transponder manually. A person savvy enough to do that would “absolutely” be able to fly to another location without being detected as well.

“It’s all very odd, but I’m not here to speculate,” Rodger said. "The aircraft will turn up eventually. Give it less than a week, and then we’ll be on our way to getting the answers.” http://time.com/24546/missing-jet-hunt-turns-to-indian-ocean-sources-s
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Friday, March 14, 2014 3:28 PM

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Friday, March 14, 2014 4:31 PM

OONJERAH


Wall Street Journal
Satellite Data Reveal Route of Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane
Jetliner 'Pinged' Satellites With Location, Altitude for Hours
After Disappearance

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304185104579437573
396580350?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350.html


"Malaysia Airlines' missing jet transmitted its location repeatedly
to satellites over the course of five hours after it disappeared from
radar, people briefed on the matter said, as searchers zeroed in on
new target areas hundreds of miles west of the plane's original course.

"The satellites also received speed and altitude information about
the plane from its intermittent "pings," the people said. The final
ping was sent from over water, at what one of these people called
a normal cruising altitude. They added that it was unclear why the
pings stopped. One of the people, an industry official, said it was
possible that the system sending them had been disabled by some-
one on board.

"The people, who included a military official, the industry official
and others, declined to say what specific path the transmissions
revealed. But the U.S. planned to move surveillance planes into an
area of the Indian Ocean 1,000 miles or more west of the Malay
peninsula where the plane took off, said Cmdr. William Marks, the
spokesman for the U.S. Seventh Fleet."

============================

Replying to readers' comments per above report:
Today's Malaysia Airlines 370 News: What It Means That the Plane
Apparently Kept Flying An explosion now is much less likely; deliberate
destruction, by crew or attackers, more so.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/todays-malaysia-
airlines-370-news-what-it-means-that-the-plane-apparently-kept-flying/284414
/

"Overnight the Wall Street Journal reported (paywall) that the
Boeing 777 flying as Malaysia Airlines 370 was transmitting data
about its location for five hours after its transponders stopped
functioning and it disappeared from normal Air Traffic Control
coverage. Thus the forensic mystery I mentioned last night --
that there was no evidence that the plane did keep flying, and
no evidence that it didn't -- is clarified. It leaves the disturbing
mystery of why and where the plane would have been flying
incognito.

"This is my Annie Hall/ Marshall McLuhan moment for discussing the topic. ...

"Executive summary before we go further: This latest information
obviously works against possibilities that the plane vanished from
radar coverage because it blew up -- via bomb, some structural
failure, missile strike, meteorite, what have you. The fact that
the plane kept flying, with its transponders turned off, also works
against any "pilot hypoxia" assumptions."


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Friday, March 14, 2014 7:20 PM

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Now this is simply wrong.

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html

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Friday, March 14, 2014 7:29 PM

OONJERAH



My my! I wonder what Fariq did with the passengers.


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Friday, March 14, 2014 8:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

My my! I wonder what Fariq did with the passengers.


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Passengers ? No no! No passengers! Just the plane. That's all. He knows nothing of any passengers.

See plane ? Like , no ? You buy! Good plane!

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Friday, March 14, 2014 10:46 PM

NIKI2

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That's a joke, surely?!


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Friday, March 14, 2014 10:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm still trying to figure out when we're supposed to run screaming in the streets 'It was Teeeeroooorists!'

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Friday, March 14, 2014 11:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Amazing. Demands we respond to ...., something ... with ... something ... Speculation. Criticism. Flame-baiting. Turning the event into a cause for jokes. Broad-scale character assassination. All based on ABSOLUTELY ZERO INFORMATION.


Curious. An actual real world event, the mysterious disappearance of an airliner , and no replies ?

Really?

If they can't blame it on Bush, who cares?

239 people perished ...

“777 crash confirms jihadists turning to make trouble for China. Chance for US to make common cause, befriend China while Russia bullies.” - tweet from who?

Rupert Murdoch.

The plane must have flown through a temporal rift.

I think Aliens took them back to their planet to repopulate it.

But these 'reports' remind me a bit of the mystery ships that were 'somewhere' in the ocean, leading up to the 2nd Iraq war.

Are we dealing w/ sheer incompetence, or do they really know something and aren't saying?

They sat in silence as tens of millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours were wasted searching in an area where they knew all along the plane could not possibly be. Quite vexing indeed.


Yeah... That is odd.

Meanwhile, after 5 days authorities still cannot give any relevant information about the two Iranians on board with stolen passports. One way tickets to Beijing paid for with cash? Uh huh.

I bet they know, and simply aren't saying. Either way, there should be SOME word on this matter.

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Friday, March 14, 2014 11:19 PM

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good for them.

it's time something scurried past the all knowing eye of BB. :)


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Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oops... missing jet in a land where we know every underage beer purchacer....


Methinkis you're an idiot for bellieving in such shennanagans....





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