A Baby in the Womb at Five Months, and Then There's Wendy Davis by Jongsstraw

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A Baby in the Womb at Five Months, and Then There's Wendy Davis

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UPDATED: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 10:33
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Monday, July 1, 2013 6:20 AM

Go ahead. Follow this link to an illustration of a baby in his mother's womb at five months. At the same website, see this video of a real baby moving inside his mother at 29 weeks.

But neither the five-month-old baby nor the 29-week-old baby is a baby, according to Texas State Senator Wendy Davis, whom the reliably liberal Washington Post tags as rising to stardom in the Democratic Party. Davis did so by filibustering a bill to prohibit abortions past 20 weeks in Texas.

Check that about Davis not thinking a baby is a baby after 20 weeks. Davis would likely say both are babies at a woman's discretion.

But if not babies, per a woman's judgment, then both are disposable in the procedure known as late-term abortion. A human is human only if chosen (so goes the ethos of abortion advocates). Playing God is the province of increasingly godless leftists (or liberals, if you prefer), among whom reside most abortion proponents.

Of course, barbarism is barbarism no matter how eloquently rationalized and advanced. Abortion is gussied up barbarism. Late-term abortion is simply a more flagrant act of child-killing. What makes late-term abortion so vividly and compellingly repulsive is that a baby is indisputably human by appearance and activity.

Thanks to advances in medical science, viability for late-term babies outside the womb is improving. But that's a bit of a red herring, anyway, for a baby is quite viable in the environment provided by nature and nature's God: a womb. A child is no less a child in the warm and nurturing environment of amniotic fluids than a child born to the wider world.

Abortion proponents' argument that abortion on the heels of inception is merely the removal of a cluster of cells has given way to arguments, for all practical purposes, for abortion without boundaries. Abortion advocates have been slipping down the slippery slope toward abortion without limits for quite a while now. And the slipping is being done more publicly and brazenly, and to the applause and accolades of liberal America. As a state senator, Barack Obama favored late-term abortion.

Davis is this year's Sandra Fluke, the Georgetown law student who last year asserted that contraceptives should be provided her by her Catholic university as a right.

Davis, portrayed by the Post as a woman who lifted herself up from hardscrabble conditions to make something of herself, ceased most definitely being hardscrabble after receiving her law degree from Harvard. The Texas state senator in "rouge-red running shoes" who went to bat for late-term abortion under the always convenient cover of "protecting women's health" is by virtue of school and degree an elite. Her trailer park days are long, long gone.

The state senator, despite the gimmick of sporting red running shoes on the State Senate floor, is an elite representing the very elitist left. She's about as average as Hillary Clinton. Davis is a soldier -- now a lieutenant -- in the longstanding, broadening war being waged by the left against traditional morality, virtues, and values; extending abortion's mandate is one front in the war to "transform" (read: demolish) America.

In filibustering a prohibition against abortions past 20 weeks (mind you, abortion in Texas was still legal under the proposed legislation before 20 weeks), Davis acted willfully to push the left's agenda - the agenda to raze America.

Make no mistake: the left is bent on imposing itself and its beliefs on majorities in the nation that want nothing to do with the diminution and marginalization of time-honored and oak-solid moralities that have civilized humans, brought dignity and justice to humanity (particularly to the innocent and defenseless), and served as bedrock in safeguarding liberty.

Liberty doesn't extend to killing the unborn, however the left chooses to prostitute the meaning of liberty. The well-educated, sophisticated Davis and her leftist cohorts want to make regent and unassailable forevermore the idea that women have the "freedom" to make decisions of life or death for their unborn children. Dare anyone - at the risk of vilification and worse - publicly declare that the right to life takes precedence.

The Democratic Party might as well be called the Death Party. ObamaCare includes death panels. Inevitable budget limits will make death panels de facto, if not de jure; the old, after all, have had their stretch on earth; their productive days are behind them; precious health care dollars need to be allocated judiciously. The unborn haven't any rights (they really haven't since Roe v. Wade); they're very existences hinge on their mothers' will and desire to birth them. Why restrict abortion to just the earliest stages of development? Why place any restrictions on a woman's right to choose?

Slippery slopes. Euthanasia is more openly championed among Europe's elites. Since the American left loves to ape the latest social-cultural-moral-political fashions from withering Europe, it won't be long before the Death Party's vanguard pushes a right to be euthanized or the necessity to euthanize.

Slippery slopes. What does the future hold for the mentally defective? The physically incapacitated? (Speak to Sarah Murnaghan's parents about that topic.) The chronically ill? The child born with Down Syndrome or serious maladies? At what future presidential nominating convention will the Death Party unveil a plank calling for productivity or usefulness standards against which citizens are measured?

Preposterous, you say? Utterly fantastic? Not in America - never?

Look at abortion from the perceptive of Americans living at the time of Roe v. Wade (1973). Most Americans then would have dismissed any argument as hyperbole that in the early years of the 21st Century an elite and their constituencies would fight to broaden abortion's mandate to children near birth. Most Americans then would have scoffed if someone raised the concern that a national health care scheme would have limited resources that would bring forward advocates arguing for cutoffs of resources to the terminally ill and old.

Fantastic? No more fantastic than abridgements of the 4th Amendment by the federal government's NSA in its spying on citizens (Orwell's 1984 was merely forestalled by a generation on these shores).

Fantastic? No more than the Obama Administration attempting to force Christian and Catholic health care institutions to provide contraception and abortion inducers through ObamaCare, thereby trampling their 1st Amendment rights.

What's fantastic is that most Americans, who hold fast to timeless morals and virtues, who know, explicitly or instinctively, what liberty is, have permitted the left to so degrade and undermine the nation's morality, culture, and institutions; to use government in many instances as the driving force to effect radical, harmful change.

Wendy Davis is no good ol' Texas gal soldiering in the Lone Star State's senate for all those trailer park lassies on the short end of life's stick. She's a Harvard-educated elite determined to do her share to vanquish traditional America and impose the left's statist vision on the country. Eliminating unborn babies is just a means to a very grim end.

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Dr. Mengele would be so proud.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 7:12 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

A "baby in the womb" is a fetus not a baby.

Obamacare does not have death panels.

Facts can be hard to accept sometimes, but you should try it.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 7:48 AM

BYTEMITE

I wonder if all those religious gods are godless too. I mean, it's silly to worship themselves, isn't it? But it would be silly for there to be a higher authority that THEY worship, or them to worship each other. It'd be like turtles all the way down.

Ergo, is being godless really a state of being god-LIKE?

I'ma make a sandwich out of an empty quantum state. It will taste like a crime against physics and nature. It might even be a little evil. The description might involve "ketchup" and "grilled cheese." Don't judge.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 8:55 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

A "baby in the womb" is a fetus not a baby.

At 20+ weeks it's sure starting to look and act like a baby, beating heart, nervous system, fingers, toes and all. But even if the 'terminology' is 'fetus', what's the moral difference? How 'late term' is 'too' late term for your taste?

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Obamacare does not have death panels.

There wil be Govt. civilian bureaucrats making financial decisions about individuals' medical treatments. You don't like the death panel 'terminology', but that's exactly what it ultimately will be.

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Facts can be hard to accept sometimes, but you should try it.

You shouldn't let what you consider 'facts', aka liberal ideology, interfere with common sense.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 9:23 AM

BYTEMITE

Ehh... this predestination argument has never really worked for me, and smacks of religion. The religious overtones in the linked article don't help.

If you want to argue that even a fetus is living cells and that life is good and life deserves a chance and to destroy life is bad and that there are ethical problems with all of this, then yeah, I can understand that. I have misgivings about even killing parasites and testing on one-celled organisms.

But predestination is not as strong an argument, because nature is cruel, the womb is actually not all that hospitable, and parent gene compatibility viability in gametes is not guaranteed. Unless you think 25% to 50% losses within fourteen weeks from conception is good odds, but I usually only call something inevitable if there's less than a 5% failure.

I'll give you that once you're past the first trimester it really is pretty much guaranteed. But before then it's a crapshoot. And that's without getting into the randomness of genetics and failings within the process of meiosis or transcription.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 10:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I find it curious that Wendy looks so much like the GOP women which the Left love to mockingly refer to as the Stepford Wives.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, July 1, 2013 10:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Facts can be hard to accept sometimes, but you should try it.

Amen, Nick.

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There wil be Govt. civilian bureaucrats making financial decisions about individuals' medical treatments. You don't like the death panel 'terminology', but that's exactly what it ultimately will be.

Right now, this very minute there ARE corporate entities making financial decisions about individuals' medical treatments. for a PROFIT motive. They deny coverage, they ILLEGALLY deny medical procedures, they use every trick in the book to deny medical procedures, and that's the way it's always been since health insurance was created. You don't like the death panel 'terminology', but that's exactly what it already IS.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 12:23 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

OH sweet Jesus what a load of ridiculous crap the originala article is...scaremongering for morons. Which is what most of the right wingers who post here clearly are.

I'd love to hear some intelligent debate on some of these issues, but the quality of argument is just gose.
EG

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The Democratic Party might as well be called the Death Party. ObamaCare includes death panels. Inevitable budget limits will make death panels de facto, if not de jure; the old, after all, have had their stretch on earth; their productive days are behind them; precious health care dollars need to be allocated judiciously.

Where's the evidence for this kind of shit. Show it or shut up.

Public health systems DO not include government death panels. I know the morons who write this kind of stuff find it hard to believe, but ALL western nations have public health, and I have yet to hear of these panels. Doctors and families make decisions around treatment of terminally ill. As they should.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 12:35 PM

BYTEMITE

Well... But you don't have the same degree of insurance companies who deny people claims and have a death grip on the medical system. At least not as far as I know.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 1:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

No we don't.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 1:16 PM

WHOZIT

Rush Limbaugh hasn't mentioned her on his show, she must not be important.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 2:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

OMG this opinion piece is such a mishmash of self-contradiction and idiocy I can't believe even Jongsie read it without running into a FEW glitches! (Or, maybe Jongsie didn't read it at all? He has a propensity for doing that.)

The author seems to think that "we" value "all" humans, and yet, on the very same week and in the very same state that Wendy Davis filibustered, Texas executed its 500th prisoner. So much for valuing human life!

So, if Jongsie cares to discuss who or what "human" is, perhaps we should start with these:

CAUTION- not for the faint of heart! (unfortunately, I can't "spoiler" the images)

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Monday, July 1, 2013 2:49 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
At 20+ weeks it's sure starting to look and act like a baby, beating heart, nervous system, fingers, toes and all. But even if the 'terminology' is 'fetus', what's the moral difference? How 'late term' is 'too' late term for your taste?

It defends on who's morals you are taking about. In scientific terms a fetus does not become a baby until it is outside the womb. I would set late term at 28 weeks when you have a much greater chance of viability.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
There wil be Govt. civilian bureaucrats making financial decisions about individuals' medical treatments. You don't like the death panel 'terminology', but that's exactly what it ultimately will be.

Sorry, the IPAB can only make changes to the medicare payment structure. They are forbidden by the law to ration healthcare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Payment_Advisory_Board

Not to mention Medicare is a mandated program, meaning that it can't run out of money.

Jong you really are built backwards. You have diarrhea of the mouth and talk out of your ass.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, July 1, 2013 4:03 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

You shouldn't let what you consider 'facts' interfere with common sense.

Why, were you trying to copyright that idea?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Monday, July 1, 2013 4:08 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Davis did so by filibustering a bill to prohibit abortions past 20 weeks in Texas.

Dr. Mengele would be so proud.

Is that *ALL* that's in that bill? Is that the ONLY provision in that bill regarding abortion and abortion providers?

Also, as to your bullshit claim that "we value ALL life".

You supported the war in Iraq. You supported the war in Afghanistan. You support people who are big-time advocates for the death penalty.

Hell, you've called for the deaths of people right here on this very site, merely for having a DIFFERENT OPINION ON POLITICAL MATTERS. So stop with all this phoniness about "valuing all life,", because you don't, you never have, and you never will.

Stop with the idiocy that you "value" life. You don't value anything but money.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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OH sweet Jesus what a load of ridiculous crap the originala article is...scaremongering for morons. Which is what most of the right wingers who post here clearly are.

Amen.

And, aside from the fact that the insurance industry "rations" medical care right now, every day, there is the fact that

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the IPAB can only make changes to the medicare payment structure. They are forbidden by the law to ration healthcare.

Thank you, Nick. The old "death panel" thing has been debunked enough times that it should be like global warming denial; ignore those still wallowing in it.

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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I noted it in passing, and it was stupid enough not to comment on. But I should have known what was coming.

Rap:

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I find it curious that Wendy looks so much like the GOP women which the Left love to mockingly refer to as the Stepford Wives.

Now:

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While liberals herald State Senator Wendy Davis as the second coming of the Texas Democratic Party, and the abortion rights stand she took catches fire at the Texas State House in Austin, her opponents are hard at work digging up devastating dirt on her. A new website called “The Real Wendy Davis” has exposed Davis as the first woman ever to look hotter than her 1991 yearbook photo, with the possible exception of every woman ever. You might ask, is that all the obviously-unfamiliar-with-yearbook-photography folks at “The Real Wendy Davis” got? The answer is yes, that is literally all they’ve got.

You might be tempted to wonder what Sen. Davis’ relative hotness has to do with her effectiveness as a legislator, but you would be missing the point. Let’s be real for a minute here, politicians are judged, at least in part, on their appearance, as Governor Chris Christie will attest. It’s not fair, but that’s just how it is. If feminists are going to go around whining about people marginalizing powerful women by focusing on their looks, the theory goes, then how dare they lift a pinkie in service to their appearance?

In Wendy Davis’ case, her crime is much worse, because she has hottened herself up so much, the distractingly hot results have defied science, and spawned an entire blog devoted to her impossible hotness:
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Now consider Texas state Senator Wendy R. Davis, who has recently been in the news being touted (however dubiously) as the Left’s technologically enhanced “feminist superhero.” She is 50 years old. Yet, unlike Reynolds and Obama, but like Mac Davis, it appears she gets better looking each day. If she has not found the Fountain of Youth, at minimum she has found very talented plastic surgeons and image consultants who have readied her for her closeup.

Somehow, during the past two decades she has been transformed from a frumpy, pleasant looking but plain-faced, flat-chested brunette with thick, messy hair, into a buxom blonde with excellent facial features and sleek, long, perfectly coiffed hair, like she stepped straight out of Vogue.

Like many things about conservatives, I really don’t get this, but if they think they can derail Wendy Davis by pointing out how painfully, distractingly, physics-defyingly hot she is... http://www.mediaite.com/online/filibuster-hero-wendy-davis-attacked-fo
r-being-just-too-damn-hot/#0

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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 7:15 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I find it curious that Wendy looks so much like the GOP women which the Left love to mockingly refer to as the Stepford Wives.

I find it curious that the only input you have on this issue is to comment on a woman's looks. Nothing to say about the actual issues at hand, just more of your usual idiocy.

I said I find it curious; I don't find it the least bit surprising. It's really all you've got.

Is this you officially demonstrating your keen understanding of complex issues? Someone points out something a woman has done based on principle and belief, and your only reaction is basically a herp-derp "SHE HAS PRETTY!" moment?

How very sad and empty you must be.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, July 2, 2013 10:33 AM

KWICKO

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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