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Jim Carrey's "Cold Dead Hand" causes a furor

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Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Jim Carrey's video mocking the late actor and National Rifle Association President Charlton Heston didn't please some conservatives - not that Carrey himself minds.

The video, a spoof version of the old comedy show "Hee Haw," featured Carrey playing both Heston and the leader of a country-western group, mocking Heston's declaration that gun control advocates would have to pry his firearms "from my cold, dead hands"

Conservative pundits claimed Carrey was inappropriately denigrating Heston, who died in 2008. Taking particular aim at, presumably, Fox News - the spelling below is his - Carrey responded to the critics Friday.

"In my opinion Fux News is a last resort for kinda-sorta-almost-journalists whose options have been severely limited by their extreme and intolerant views; a media colostomy bag that has begun to burst at the seams and should be emptied before it becomes a public health issue," Carrey wrote in a statement.

"I sincerely believe that in time, good people will lose patience with the petty and poisonous behavior of these bullies and Fux News will be remembered as nothing more than a giant culture fart that no amount of Garlique could cure," he continued.

Heston, who died in 2008, rose to fame as an actor in movies like "The Ten Commandments" and "Ben-Hur." Later in life, however, he turned his attention to political advocacy, eventually becoming the president of the National Rifle Association from 1998-2003.


http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0433b30576/cold-dead-hand-with-jim-ca
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Not all that funny, actually; Carrey us an acquired taste I sometimes have trouble acquiring, but I did love the Sam Elliot impression (adore that man!) and the point was well made...

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


He's certainly having fun with it:
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We know him as Ace Ventura and the Grinch, among many other memorable comedic roles, but on Friday, Jim Carrey delivered what should be considered his finest line and he did it in a statement responding to a viscous attack by Fox News.

After being attacked by Fox News’ Greg Gutfeld for a Funny or Die anti-NRA video in which Carrey mocked Charlton Heston, the Canadian actor released a statement in which he refers to Fox as a “media colostomy bag” full of “kinda-sorta-almost journalists” who have become a “giant culture fart” in society. Here’s the full press release via Hollywood Reporter:
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“Since I released my “Cold Dead Hand” video on Funny or Die this week, I have watched Fux News rant, rave, bare its fangs and viciously slander me because of my stand against large magazines and assault rifles. I would take them to task legally if I felt they were worth my time or that anyone with a brain in their head could actually fall for such irresponsible buffoonery. That would gain them far too much attention which is all they really care about.

“I’ll just say this: in my opinion Fux (sic) News is a last resort for kinda-sorta-almost-journalists whose options have been severely limited by their extreme and intolerant views; a media colostomy bag that has begun to burst at the seams and should be emptied before it becomes a public health issue.

“I sincerely believe that in time, good people will lose patience with the petty and poisonous behavior of these bullies and Fux (sic) News will be remembered as nothing more than a giant culture fart that no amount of Garlique could cure.

“I wish them all the luck that accompanies such malevolence.”

Isn’t that epic? In the war between Hollywood and Fox News, yet another battle has been won by the left coast. Fox News involved themselves in a fight it couldn’t possibly win. One should never criticize a comedian and hope to get away with it unscathed. But Jim Carrey did more than just hit back; he humiliated Fox News in a way no other media network has ever experienced. I’m sure this statement will have Fox throwing hissy fits for days and that, my friends, is Oscar-worthy.


Go Carrey! Excellent use of verbiage, and totally on point.

(An acid-tongued Canuck; who'd-a thunk it?)


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Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:30 AM

BRENDA


Jim Carrey is an acquired taste and I liked him before he went down to the States. But I see his point and telling Fox News where to get off. On these points I agree with him.

Wish I could have seen the Sam Elliot impresonation. I love Sam Elliot.

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Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:34 AM

BRENDA


Hey Niki,

Iremember seeing Charlton Heston with a rifle and holding it over his head uttering those words about taking it from his cold, dead hands and wondering what the f%ck this guy was on.

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Monday, April 1, 2013 6:14 AM

NIKI2

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Yup, Brenda, everything you said. Heston was a walking joke long before he passed on, but he was useful for the NRA, so they stuck with him. He, like the NRA, had long lost any semblance of relativity and become something other than he/they once were (which, in Heston's case and my opinion, was never much of an actor anyway...).

The Sam Elliot impression is there, in the Funny or Die skit, about three-quarters of the way through. The link at the top will take you to the original skit...some of which is funny, some of which, like a lot of what Carrey does, is over the top but not particularly laugh-worthy. I happen to have a RAGING crush on Elliot, so I especially enjoyed that part.

ETA: Okay, I just had to watch again to be sure I'd put up the right link. I highly recommend you watch the whole thing, second time around it was much better, especially as I "caught" all the words (which are great). The Sam Elliot impression is a blip starting at 4:07; but all the words are great. I also knew Carrey could sing, but never heard him before, and he's friggin' GOOD!, by gosh!

If you didn't know, the skit is a parody of "Hee Haw", a Country-Western comedy/music show that ran for ages here in the states (I THINK it's gone now?). I only saw it once, but from what I saw, the skit is absolutely right-on in getting the format/style/etc. Congrats to Carrey, I say again!


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Monday, April 1, 2013 7:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


For those of us who don't want to watch the skit but might be interested, I took a minute to transcribe the words...finding the tune kinda catchy and found myself singing along with the chorus, hee, hee, hee:
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Some folks ride like the wind,
with the whispering pines to guide them,
and the burning light inside them
keeps them warm in the snow.

Others fear, the sounds they hear,
make banditos out of molehills,
fill their hearts with porcupine quills.
They're dead and buried long before they go.

Charleton Heston movies are no longer in demand,
And his immortal soul may lay forever in the sand.
The angels wouldn't take him up to heaven like he planned,
'cuz they couldn't pry that gun from his cold, dead hand.

It takes a cold, dead hand to decide to pull the trigger.
Takes a cold, dead heart, and as near as I can figger,
With your cold, dead aim, you're tryin' to prove your dick is bigger.
But we know, your chariot may not be swingin' low...

Cold dead hand, cold dead hand, cold dead hand, cold dead hand,
You're a big, big man with a little bitty gland.
So you need something bigger just to fill...
your cold, dead hand.

Imagine if, the Lord were here,
and he knew what you've been thinkin'.
Would His sacred heart be sinkin'
into the canyon of dismay.

And on the ones who sell the guns
He's sic the vultures and coyotes.
Only the devil's true devotees
could profiteer from pain and fear.

Charleton Heston movies are no longer in demand.
And his immortal soul may lay forever in the sand.
The angels wouldn't take him up to heaven like he planned,
'cuz they couldn't pry that gun from his cold, dead hand.

It takes a cold, dead hand to decide to pull the trigger.
Takes a cold, dead heart, and as near as I can figger,
With your cold, dead aim, you're tryin' to prove your dick is bigger.
But we know, your chariot may not be swingin' low...

Cold dead hand, cold dead hand, cold dead hand, cold dead hand,
You're a big, big man with a little bitty gland.
So you need something bigger with a hairpin trigger.
You don't wanna get caught with your trousers down
when the psycho killer comes around.
So you make your home like a thunder dome,
where you're always packin' wherever you roam.
But the psychos win no matter what you do,
'cuz they're gonna buy way more guns than you.
And while you're ___ on the bed
they put five rounds in the back of your head.
Or you get depressed 'cuz the money runs out,
and you put your old shotgun in your mouth.
And your kids walk in and they find you there
like a headless ___ in your underwear,
And they move the gun and it kills them too.
And your wife just doesn't know what to do,
so she takes a hand grenade from her shoe,
and she pulls the pin, and it's all on you
and your cold, dead hand.


Go Jim Carrey...I have a newfound respect for the man--my respect for him as an actor increased when I saw a couple of his less 'crazy' movies (tho' yes, I enjoyed some of the crazier ones, too). But now I respect him more as a person willing to use his talent to speak up, and more than happy to take the heat that has resulted.
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Jim Carrey has divided fans when it comes to gun control. The star has made his opinion known and gotten into a serious tangle with FOX news about his perception of the issues. Whatever side the fans choose, the star seems to appreciate the spotlight as it keeps the issue of guns in the news. On Sunday the entertainer shared a special message with Twitter followers who have supported him over the past few days.

“Wow. I shined a light on the hate and now my twitter stream is nothin' but love. I appreciate your support, so much! #Spankyoukindly,” tweeted Jim Carrey from his official Twitter account on Sunday. The star had reposted some pretty intense messages over the last couple of days from other Twitter users who definitely aren't supporting his stance on gun control.

Being a celebrity and having an opinion on a very social issue makes Jim Carrey an easy target. Most of the people who dislike Carrey’s opinion on gun control take personal swipes about his performances in the movies. And others are referencing his previous movie titles in derogatory terms to make it look like the star is like the characters he once played.

Jim Carrey has really stepped up to push the discussion of gun control. Not willing to let the haters change his mind, it appears those who support him are helping the star get out the message.


His Twitter feed is a riot, and he remarked there a couple of days ago "Thx 4 your input 2day.I don't think i've ever felt so despised and so free at the same time. It's been delightfully. ;^}" He's losing it now, ranting and raving; it's a shame he's letting them get to him, he'd have been far better to keep his cool and let them rant...


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Monday, April 1, 2013 10:56 AM

BRENDA


Hi Niki,

I know Heston was and that just confirmed it for me. I was never big on the guy anyways.

I'll go back and look at your link. I didn't the first time around because I was only here for a second and just had time to read and do a quick post or two.

*L* Hee-Haw was a regular watch in my house when I was a kid. It was played up here and so I am very familiar with it.

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Monday, April 1, 2013 11:16 AM

BRENDA


Hey Niki,

Just watched the video and laughed myself silly. I don't think I've seen Carrey funnier. :) Thanks for posting this and I agree with everything he said. Also had to love the Sam Elliot impersonation.

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Monday, April 1, 2013 6:08 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Niki2:
If you didn't know, the skit is a parody of "Hee Haw", a Country-Western comedy/music show that ran for ages here in the states (I THINK it's gone now?).


Alas, yes, long gone in the purge of country themed shows from way back when.
I actually LIKED Hee-Haw, myself, but certainly it was a matter of taste.

Hell, I still think of this one on especially bad days.



-F

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Monday, April 1, 2013 8:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I just watched - it was awesome! I had no idea he could sing like that. And the message was spot-on.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 2:22 AM

AURAPTOR

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The man talks out of his ass.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:29 AM

NIKI2

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Glad you guys enjoyed it, I sure did! I'm sure Jim Carrey would have no PROBLEM talking out of his ass if he wanted to, he can do just about anything else...and seems to be able to contort that huge mouth of his in unimaginable ways! In this case, however, he's spot on; he's obviously not talking/singing about the normal American gun owner, but the NRA and mentalities like Heston's.


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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:58 AM

HKCAVALIER


No, Niki, Raptor's a fan. Jim Carrey literally talks out of his ass:



HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:01 AM

NIKI2

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Damn, I even FORGOT that one, and I'd seen it!

What's amusing is the only time he TALKS is as Heston, and Rap's right, he is talking out of his ass...the rest of the time he's SINGING, so even there, Rap's got it right, 'cuz that was straight from the HEART! ;o)

Kudos to your countryman, Brenda, for doing what few other rich, famous YANKS have had the guts to do!


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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 7:21 AM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
If you didn't know, the skit is a parody of "Hee Haw", a Country-Western comedy/music show that ran for ages here in the states (I THINK it's gone now?).


Alas, yes, long gone in the purge of country themed shows from way back when.
I actually LIKED Hee-Haw, myself, but certainly it was a matter of taste.

Hell, I still think of this one on especially bad days.



-F



Frem, you aren't alone. Every so often I think of that bit from Hee-Haw.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:27 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Niki2:

" and Rap's right "



Damn straight.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 1:18 PM

STORYMARK


Poor rappy boy, only way he can find someone to agree with him is to distort their meaning.

Should just let the poor guy have this one. Where else is he ever going to hear those words put together, even as a joke?




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 4:58 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Poor rappy boy, only way he can find someone to agree with him is to distort their meaning.



Annoying when folks do that, huh?

Bet you think it's just clever as hell when folks take Cheney's words out of context in similar fashion, like saying " deficits don't matter ", huh?

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Should just let the poor guy have this one. Where else is he ever going to hear those words put together, even as a joke?



More often put together in all seriousness, but since that's too much for you to handle, believe what ever helps you sleep at night.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Niki2:

" and Rap's right "



Damn straight.



So you agree that AS HESTON, Carrey was talking out of his ass - just like Niki said. Right here: " ... the only time he TALKS is as Heston, and Rap's right, he is talking out of his ass ..." Amazing. You think that the Heston character was talking out of his ass, and you and Niki are in agreement about that.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:50 PM

AURAPTOR

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No, just as I quoted Niki saying.

" Rap's right" .

Pretty easy for anyone to follow along.

Jim Carrey, as Jim Carrey, is doing the talking out of his ass. And has so, for quite some time.

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


dbl posty goodness

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Just as you think "it's just clever as hell" when people take words out of context. See, I just quoted you agreeing that it was clever to quote Cheney saying 'deficits don't matter', b/c well, Cheney did say that deficits don't matter, and you think it's clever as hell to quote that.

Oh, here's another one: you posted: 'put together for you to believe'. You DID post those words.

This is fun! What else did you post ... "The man talks" "Damn straight" "Pretty easy for anyone to follow along".



Oh please post some more! Ignoring all those words before and after those juicy phrases is a trip!

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:57 PM

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I can see that you're easily amused, 1kiki.



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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:31 AM

NIKI2

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What's MOST amusing of all, Kiki, is that Cheney MEANT deficits don't matter...it's what he actually believed, so it's not taking him out of context. IN context, here's exactly what he said to Paul O'Neil. The president had promised to cut taxes, and he did. Within six months of taking office, he pushed a trillion dollars worth of tax cuts through Congress.

But O'Neill thought it should have been the end. After 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, the budget deficit was growing. So at a meeting with the vice president after the mid-term elections in 2002, O'Neill argued against a second round of tax cuts.

Cheney said:
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You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill

What more context do you need? He didn't qualify it except by saying "we won". I think Cheney was quite clear about what he meant.

Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand, I just found it amusing that Rap thinks you're easily amused, when what you put up is, to me, the most amusing TRUTH.


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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Meanwhile, back to the thread topic:
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Jim Carrey has been taking major heat from Fox News commentators and other conservatives since his anti-gun music video “Cold Dead Hand” first premiered on Funny Or Die last week. In the days since the video debuted, Carrey has used his Twitter account to defend his motives and retweet messages from supporters. He released a short statement specifically addressing his complaints against “Fux News.” And now, in a blog entry on The Huffington Post, he is tackling the larger issues brought up by the video and confronting his critics head-on.

Carrey’s post, titled “I Never Wanted to Take Your Guns Away,” does not address his fiercest critics by name, but it clearly tries to address some of their concerns. On the accusation that as a Canadian he should not be meddling in American politics, Carrey writes:
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I disagree wholeheartedly with those who say that there are just too many guns out there to control and that more gun laws won't make a difference. Change must start someplace. I'm pretty sure that no worthwhile endeavor has ever been accomplished without a beginning and reducing gun violence in America is a worthwhile endeavor.

These mass shootings and daily body counts on your local news are terrible tragedies. The utter devastation that must be endured by the victims' families is unfathomable. These horrific events are also an invitation for us to become more civilized and to deal with our addiction and entitlement to violence. Not to shut our eyes and ears and scream at those with a different opinion than ours to "fuck off and go back to Canada." I will gladly go back and visit Canada as I have many friends and loved ones there. I am so proud of that country and everything it's given to me, but I am also a naturalized American citizen and I have been bringing as much joy as I can to people in this country for 30 years. I care deeply about our future and I feel it's my duty as a citizen to do everything in my power to make this a better place.


To those who call him a “hypocrite” for employing armed bodyguards, as Ann Coulter did on Hannity last week, Carrey writes:
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For those who say I'm a hypocrite because I have an armed bodyguard, lets make one thing clear: No one in my employ is allowed to carry a large magazine and NO ONE IS ASKING ANYONE TO GIVE UP THEIR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, though it is in the vested interests of those who profit by gun sales to make it seem so. It's just the type of arms, the easy access and the means with which to cause massive devastation to good and innocent people that I hope we can limit. It's the quality of mercy, the tiniest spark of empathy that I know lives in every one of us that I wish to ignite in you.

And to the bullies who will try to marginalize and discredit me by saying, "Shut up, you're just an actor," while they brag about what a great president the ACTOR Ronald Reagan was, who threaten me with the demise of my acting career and much worse, I say SO BE IT! How shallow do they think I am? I would trade my money, my fame, my reputation and legacy if there were the slightest chance of preventing the anguish of another Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, or Sandy Hook Elementary School. I ask you, truly, what manner of human being would not?

I have been aghast at the level of hatred heaped upon me, my family and the people I work with over a mere difference of opinion on this issue. Perhaps my words were a bit harsh at the onset, but calling someone a "Motherfucker" is far different than wishing them to die. It is shocking to see this concerted effort to brutally intimidate anyone who speaks of a compassionate compromise.

These thugs, though menacing, are a minority but they will have their way if good people don't step forward now and make a difference. Every American has the right to speak their mind. Every American has the right to bear arms. But it is up to every American to draw the line when it comes to the type of guns that are considered a reasonable means of self-defense.

No one is allowed to own a bazooka. In a movie theater an assault rifle with a 100-round drum magazine can cause just as much damage.

So don't just sit there and do nothing. Contact your representatives and let them know that their jobs depend upon change. It won't always be someone else's kids in the line of fire.

The time is now. LET YOUR HEART BE HEARD.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/for-those-who-say-im-a-hypocrite-jim-ca
rrey-responds-to-critics-with-defiant-blog-post/


It's followed by a list of Congresspeople to contact, by state.

Personally, I think he should back off and not let them get to him; it only makes matters worse if he retaliates the way he has a couple of times on his Twitter feed the past couple of days. On the other hand, what he's written TODAY has been reasonable and great; if he's gonna keep conversing, I hope he continues to keep his cool, difficult as I can only imagine that to be!

I LOVE Coulter calling him a hypocrite for employing armed guards when he's gotten death threats...! Something in that just makes me shake my head...


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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:32 AM

AURAPTOR

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Niki - you're flat out wrong, again.

Cheney meant, and this is crystal clear , that deficits don't matter to the VOTERS , when it comes to issues people care about when election time comes around. He was NOT saying that deficits don't matter as a fiscal policy, or that we can be so blindly reckless with what we owe, as a nation. going into the future.

Are you seriously not getting this distinction ? Or are you so blinded by your partisanship, you're choosing to not get it?

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:53 AM

BRENDA


Hey Niki,

Canadians often get told to "f-off and shut up" when it comes to American politics, because some of your countrymen don't see that what happens down there does have a ripple effect.

And I can understand Carrey's upset and wanting to wake people up there to what is happening more and it seems more in your communities.

Ann Coulter is a jack-ass of major porportions which is why what she says means nothing.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 12:34 PM

AURAPTOR

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Ann Coulter is Mt Everest to Jim Carrey when it comes to things political.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:23 PM

STORYMARK


More delusions from the raptard...




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I know, Brenda; Americans can be pretty stupid about some thing. And Carrey is a CITIZEN of this country now, so fuck them...they should "go back" to the ameobas who gave them birth, in my opinion.

Why on EARTH would I bother responding to Rap's asininity, especially when he worships at the feet of ANN COULTER, of all people? Hah! Speaking of talking out of your ass...!


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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:50 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ann Coulter is Mt Everest


Just because you want to mount her doesn't mean she's any kind of 'Everest'.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I can see that you're easily amused, 1kiki."

Poor little rappy. You sure are slow. How long did it take you to think that one up?

"Cheney meant, and this is crystal clear , that deficits don't matter to the VOTERS , when it comes to issues people care about when election time comes around."

I'm sure you have the whole context for that - yanno, all those words you skip past. C'mon little boy, let's see what you got.

In the meantime, here are some more little rappy quotes:

"Cheney meant, and this is crystal clear , that deficits don't matter"
"Ann Coulter is Mt Everest"





ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:29 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Charlton Heston was one of the first Hollywood celebrities to get involved with the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's. He got involved at a time when few in Hollywood dared to risk their careers to speak out about what was going on in Alabama and Mississippi. He stood on stage with Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier when MLK was making speeches in Montgomery and Washingtron DC.

















So Heston was a great man, a World War II veteran, a fighter for Civil Rights, yet a gutless piece of shit like Jim Carrey mocks and denigrates him. But since he's dead he can't respond to the ignorant and cowardly attack by Carrey. And of course the idiot liberals here, knowing nothing of Heston's life, support the disgusting effort.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:36 PM

BRENDA


I know Niki and I agree that they should. But all any Citizen like Carrey or outsiders like the rest of us Canadians and so forth can keep doing is keep banging on them until they see something. If not reason then stars.

Don't worry about AU. I'm ignoring that too.

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Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"So Heston was a great man ..."

And Linus Pauling got the Nobel in Chemistry in 1954 "for his research into the nature of the chemical bond and its application to the elucidation of the structure of complex substances". And "in 1962, for his peace activism, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize". Neither prize was shared with anyone. He is the only person to have ever received two unshared Nobel prizes. Then he became a nutbag about vitamin C. So, should we subscribe to his ideas about vitamin C b/c he had such a prestigious past? Pay homage at the vitamin C altar? Talk with reverence about Vitamin C and the heroic researcher who uncovered its magical properties?

How far should a person's past carry their current ideas?

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Thursday, April 4, 2013 5:05 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Charlton Heston was one of the first Hollywood celebrities to get involved with the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's. He got involved at a time when few in Hollywood dared to risk their careers to speak out about what was going on in Alabama and Mississippi.



See, that's the thing with us "idiot libruls" - we are capable of recognizing that just because someone did good things - it doesn't make them right about everygoddamedthing evah.

But when someone such as yourself can only see in black and white, such nuances of thought are impossible.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I didn't know that about Heston and I thank you for the information. I think what he did was great and I respect him more for it. I only knew him as an actor and someone who was incapable of anything but blind adherence to gun rights. That doesn't change the fact that I revile his attitudes on this issue or that I think he became a parody of himself and seemed stupid and senile doing it. I have to wonder how he thought about these things, given that unfettered gun ownership has done so many horrible things to the very people he whose rights he was fighting for. I can see how he might be attracted to both issues, as in equality, but COMPLETELY UNFETTERED GUN OWNERSHIP is a kind of blind stance, the dangerous nuances of which seem to have evaded him.

And yes, there it is again. Because some of us though Obama would do less harm, and quite possibly more good (which he has) than McCain/PALIN, we voted for him, fully recognizing his flaws and disagreeing with him on many things. I don't see how I should at any time blind myself to the good AND BAD of anyone's deeds or actions. I don't like Jim Carrey all that much as a comedian, don't know him as a human, but do respect what he's done on this issue and, most of all, what he's SAID on the matter. Doesn't mean I won't denegrate him if he does or say something stupid in future, and doesn't mean I dismiss Heston's accomplishments or won't speak up to say I think he showed immense courage. But neither will I make Heston an idol not to be reviled by anyone, ever, when I think he does or says stupid things.

Ironically, Carrey is showing courage today by speaking up, has received death threats and may suffer further for his stance, just as Heston did in the '60s. What he's had to SAY about unfettered gun access is every bit as valid and honorable as what Heston had to say about civil rights. But he's only a "piece of shit". Amazing some can't see past their own prejudices.

What do you know about Jim Carrey, that you're so willing to trash him as a piece of shit? Anything? Did you know that when he was young and his father lost his job, he and his family were living out of a van and he quit school at age 15 to begin working to help support his family as a janitor? Did you know that Jim never finished high school because he worked full-time to help his family survive the severe economic hardship, and also helped care for his mother who battled a severe, chronic illness? Does that make him any less a "gutless piece of shit" to you, or are you happy to do just as you've accused us? I wonder.

Lastly, Heston started out as a liberal...AND in 1968 used his "cowboy" persona to publicize gun control measures. In his later years, he did a complete about-face and became the figure we know him as today. He also developed alzheimers in those "later years", so maybe the person you laud was the REAL Charlton Heston, before his brain chemistry screwed him up. Who knows?


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Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


For your edification:
Quote:

Rounding up his Hollywood friends, he and they went on "The Joey Bishop Show", which was ABC's late-night answer to NBC's Johnny Carson in the late 1960's.

On this show that's probably no longer available to view (and unfortunate for the benefit of TV and American history), Heston, Kirk Douglas, Jimmy Stewart and Gregory Peck all appeared on the show together and told Bishop they were supporting the passing of the Gun Control Act that was up for vote in Congress that week. With a guest lineup like that, this show probably even beat out Carson in the ratings that night. Many of the Reps and Senators who would be voting for the bill were undoubtedly watching that night, too.

Whether Hollywood truly was responsible for getting that sweeping gun law passed is up for debate. But it did pass overwhelmingly right after that TV appearance--obviously fueled by Kennedy's death by gunshots and seeing legendary actors getting unusually eloquent on the late-night TV circuit. It initially prevented mail-order and interstate gun sales and prevented anyone under 21 from being able to purchase a handgun. All of this, of course, was still law when Heston was head of the NRA and still is.
.....
When he was elected as President of the NRA, more than a few interviews asked him point blank about his support of gun control in the 1960's. It was only the right thing to ask when he was so adamant in his NRA speeches against any sense of keeping guns from being available to those who wanted them to protect themselves. In a famous "60 Minutes" interview, Heston merely acknowledged that he made some mistakes in his political past...but didn't elaborate.

But did Heston really think that getting the 1968 Gun Control Act passed was a mistake? Perhaps more evidence of feeling conflicted was in that notorious Michael Moore interview in "Bowling for Columbine" where Moore criticized Heston to his face for holding an NRA meeting in Colorado right after the Columbine High School shootings occurred. Without answering the question--Heston got up and walked out on the interview. He certainly had the right to walk out for being embarrassed on camera, though it seems he felt a sense of being between a rock and a hard place with that difficult question. Trying to answer such a question is really impossible when you are.

Some have said that Heston tucked away some of his more left-sided gun beliefs so it wouldn't jeopardize his presidency with the NRA as I alluded to earlier. There were already some in the NRA who weren't too sure of him heading the organization--that is until he made some of those speeches in his deep, mellifluous voice that could pretty much shut anyone up for a while.
.....
Heston may have had a moderate take on the whole issue, yet couldn't say it out loud for fear of alienating an organization that was too adamant in its right-wing beliefs. Maybe some people will think that's being a hypocrite. I look at it as being a true thinker who was cleverly able to take two sides of a major issue in his lifetime and bring on some good things in the process. More at http://voices.yahoo.com/charlton-heston-his-changes-philosophy-regardi
ng-1357403.html?cat=9
]
So now we both know more about Charlton Heston, and I for one am more able to see him as a fuller person. To the world he is a symbol, and it was that symbol which Carrey was parodying, the symbol and the mentality it represents.

Here is Charlton Heston, in his own words, from the June 18, 1968 Joey Bishop Show:
Quote:

TWO WEEKS AGO, ROBERT F. KENNEDY BECAME ONE OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS STRUCK DOWN BY AN ASSASSIN'S BULLET. SOMETIME TODAY, IN SOME CITY IN AMERICA, A GUN SHOT WILL RING OUT AND SOMEONE ELSE WILL FALL DEAD OR WOUNDED. THE VICTIM MAY BE A PUBLIC LEADER OR A PRIVATE CITIZEN, BUT, WHOEVER HE IS AND WHEREVER HE FALLS, HE IS NOT ONLY THE VICTIM OF THE GUNMAN....HE IS THE VICTIM OF INDIFFERENCE. THE TRAGEDY IS STARK AND REAL. THE SCARS LAST FOREVER, AND THE ULTIMATE AND SENSELESS HORROR IS THAT SO MUCH OF THIS SLAUGHTER COULD BE PREVENTED. OUR GUN CONTROL LAWS ARE SO LAX THAT ANYONE CAN BUY A WEAPON....THE MENTALLY ILL, THE CRIMINAL, THE BOY TOO YOUNG TO BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OWNING A DEADLY WEAPON.

THE SOUND OF THAT GUNFIRE WILL ECHO AGAIN...TOMARROW, THE DAY AFTER, AND ALL THE DAYS TO FOLLOW, UNLESS WE ACT!!! 6,300 PEOPLE ARE MURDERED EVERY YEAR WITH FIRE- ARMS IN THESE UNITED STATES. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE AND WHEN IT IS COMPARED WITH THE FAR, FAR LOWER RATES IN OTHER FREE COUNTRIES, IT IS INTOLERABLE.

LIKE MOST AMERICANS, WE SHARE THE CONVICTION THAT STRONGER GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION IS MANDATORY IN THIS TRAGIC SITUATION. WE DO NOT SPEAK FROM IGNORENCE OF FIREARMS. THE FIVE OF US COUNT OURSELVES AMONG THE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO RESPECT THE PRIVILEGE OF OWNING GUNS AS SPORTSMEN OR AS PRIVATE COLLECTORS. WE HAVE USED GUNS ALL OUR LIVES BUT THE PROPER USE OF GUNS IN PRIVATE HANDS IS NOT TO KILL PEOPLE.

THE CONGRESS HAS RECENTLY GIVEN US SOME PROTECTION AGAINST PISTOLS IN THE WRONG HANDS. BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH....NOT NEARLY ENOUGH, THE CARNAGE WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THERE IS EFFECTIVE CONTROL OVER THE SALE OF RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS.

PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY WAS MURDERED BY A RIFLE. MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS MURDERED BY A RIFLE. MEDGAR EVERS WAS MURDERED BY A RIFLE.
NOT LONG AGO, A DEMENTED SNIPER PERCHED ON A TOWER AND KILLED FOURTEEN PEOPLE IN COLD BLOOD......BY RIFLE. FOR MANY LONG MONTHS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS ASKED THE CONGRESS TO PASS SUCH A LAW... BUT THE CONGRESS WILL NOT LISTEN UNLESS YOU, THE VOTER, SPEAKS OUT....UNLESS THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY RISE UP AND DEMAND THAT THE CONGRESS GIVE US A STRONG AND EFFECTIVE GUN CONTROL LAW.

THE LEGISLATION HAS BEEN INTRODUCED. IN THE SENATE, IT IS S-3633. IN THE HOUSE IT IS HR-)7735.

THIS BILL IS NO MYSTERY. LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT IT. IT'S PURPOSE IS SIMPLE AND DIRECT. IT IS NOT TO DEPRIVE THE SPORTSMAN OF HIS HUNTING GUN, THE MARKSMAN OF HIS TARGET RIFLE, NOR WOULD IT DENY TO ANY RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN HIS CONSTI- TUTIONAL RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM. IT IS TO PREVENT THE MURDER OF AMERICANS. IT CONTAINS THREE SENSIBLE AND REALISTIC RULES.

FIRST, IT WILL OUTLAW THE MAIL ORDER SALES OF SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES. IF THIS LAW WERE IN FORCE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IT MIGHT HAVE STOPPED LEE HARVEY OSWALD FROM BUYING THE HIGH-POWERED RIFLE HE USED TO MURDER PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY. EACH YEAR ONE MILLION RIFLES ARE SOLD THROUGH THE MAILS.
SECOND, IT WILL OUTLAW SALES OF SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES TO MINORS - PEOPLE TOO YOUNG TO BEAR THE GRAVE RESPONSIBILITY PLACED IN THE HANDS OF A GUN OWNER.
THIRD, IT WILL OUTLAW SALES OF SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES TO STRANGERS. PEOPLE WHO DRIFT ACROSS STATE LINES, TOO OFTEN WITHOUT CREDENTIALS, BUY THESE WEAPONS, AS EASILY AS THEY BUY CIGARETTES AND CANDY. THE STATES WHICH HAVE STRONG GUN CONTROL LAWS WILL BE PROTECTED.

WE URGE YOU, AS A RESPONSIBLE, SENSIBLE AND CONCERNED CITIZEN, TO WRITE OR WIRE YOUR SENATOR AND CONGRESSMAN IMMEDIATELY AND DEMAND THEY SUPPORT THESE BILLS. IN THE SENATE, IT IS BILL S-3633. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, IT IS BILL HR-17735.

IN THE NAME OF HUMANITY....IN THE NAME OF CONSCIENCE....FOR THE COMMON SAFETY OF US ALL.... FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA, WE MUST ACT....IT IS UP TO YOU....YOU ALONE AND THE TIME IS NOW. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/834624/posts


So I guess you would only have hated Heston for the first 57 years of his life, and he became your hero only for the last 28 years. Gotcha.

By the way, where did you get "war hero"? He served for two years in the military, but there's no mention of any awards or anything...? And he was a liberal in favor of gun control during that time, so does that even count?

Are you getting an idea of what I'm saying here?


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Friday, April 5, 2013 12:38 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Nothing to say, Jong, about your Perfect Hero? No photos, videos, anything to put up of Him?


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Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:58 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Funny you should mention ass!

;-)


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The man talks out of his ass.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, April 6, 2013 12:01 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Funny shit!!!!


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

Jim Carrey's video mocking the late actor and National Rifle Association President Charlton Heston didn't please some conservatives - not that Carrey himself minds.

The video, a spoof version of the old comedy show "Hee Haw," featured Carrey playing both Heston and the leader of a country-western group, mocking Heston's declaration that gun control advocates would have to pry his firearms "from my cold, dead hands"

Conservative pundits claimed Carrey was inappropriately denigrating Heston, who died in 2008. Taking particular aim at, presumably, Fox News - the spelling below is his - Carrey responded to the critics Friday.

"In my opinion Fux News is a last resort for kinda-sorta-almost-journalists whose options have been severely limited by their extreme and intolerant views; a media colostomy bag that has begun to burst at the seams and should be emptied before it becomes a public health issue," Carrey wrote in a statement.

"I sincerely believe that in time, good people will lose patience with the petty and poisonous behavior of these bullies and Fux News will be remembered as nothing more than a giant culture fart that no amount of Garlique could cure," he continued.

Heston, who died in 2008, rose to fame as an actor in movies like "The Ten Commandments" and "Ben-Hur." Later in life, however, he turned his attention to political advocacy, eventually becoming the president of the National Rifle Association from 1998-2003.


http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0433b30576/cold-dead-hand-with-jim-ca
rrey

Not all that funny, actually; Carrey us an acquired taste I sometimes have trouble acquiring, but I did love the Sam Elliot impression (adore that man!) and the point was well made...


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Sunday, April 7, 2013 11:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Funny you should mention ass!

Hee, hee, hee.

I see Jong shut up...I guess he didn't like Heston's views on gun control BEFORE he liked Heston's later views on gun control (or at least Heston's PUBLIC stance on gun control...)

Too bad. I was looking forward to reading what he had to say, now that he knew more about Heston...


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Sunday, April 7, 2013 11:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Funny you should mention ass!



Why do you say that? I suppose Carrey thought it 'funny', when he speaks from his ass, but I never did. And yet he keeps doing it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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