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Even more disturbing news on Libya coming out.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:34 AM

AURAPTOR

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By Elise Labott

Amid a growing diplomatic mandate after the revolution and increased concerns about an "uncertain and unstable" security environment, the U.S. Embassy staff in Libya requested a 16-member Special Operations "security support team" remain in the country for several months beyond the end of its scheduled departure in August, calling its work "essential," according to a State Department memo obtained by CNN Security Clearance.

The request was denied.

"Given the unstable security environment, projected staffing increases, lack of physical and technical security upgrades in place and continued high volume of VIP visits, Embassy Tripoli requests an extension" of the security support team for four months, which "will allow us to implement the security transition plans recommended by the Department," reads the February 28 document.

"A loss of SST now would severely and negatively impact our ability to achieve the department's policy and management objectives at this critical time in Libya's transition," it said.


The memo, drafted by Deputy Chief of Mission Joan Polaschik, is being examined by a House Committee questioning whether there was adequate security for U.S. diplomats and missions before Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others Americans were killed in an attack on the U.S. diplomatic office in Benghazi on September 11.

It was circulated to members of the diplomatic corps and other security personnel and indicated Stevens would approve the final version.

The team of 16 Special Operations troops was sent to the capital, Tripoli, last year to help the United States establish a presence after the fall of Moammar Gadhafi. According to the document, the team was needed to provide security escorts, protect U.S. facilities, train local forces and act as a quick response force.

It was needed for "vital medical, communications, explosive ordnance disposal (EOD), as well as, command and control enablers that are critical to post's security effort," the memo said.

The embassy in Tripoli had asked for an earlier extension of the security support team, which was granted. But the February draft asked for another 120-day extension beyond the scheduled departure in August, calling the team "an integral part of our mobile and fixed-site security functions" given the embassy's "large and growing mandate to support Libya's transition and rebuild the embassy facilities.

"This policy and management workload translates into a large number of movements that require security support," the request reads. "Quite simply, we cannot maintain our existing levels of embassy operations, much less implement necessary staffing increases, without a continued SST presence."

The State Department released a statement Monday saying an extension of the team would not have made a difference in protecting the diplomatic post in Benghazi during the attack.

It said the team was "based in Tripoli and operated almost exclusively there."

"The SST was enlisted to support the reopening of Embassy Tripoli, to help ensure we had the security necessary as our diplomatic presence grew," the statement said. "When their rotation in Libya ended, Diplomatic Security Special Agents were deployed and maintained a constant level of security capability. So their departure had no impact whatsoever on the total number of fully trained American security personnel in Libya generally, or in Benghazi specifically."

Although the memo specifically asks for the team to remain in Tripoli, it was used to augment security for U.S. diplomats traveling throughout the country.

In the memo, Polaschik noted that she and Stevens moved throughout the country along with other U.S. diplomatic personnel, which translated into U.S. security forces in Libya supporting 1,028 movement requests to 2,099 venues - requiring an average of 10 security agents, including those drawn from the security support team. In addition, the security teams supported 15 VIP visits, including four Cabinet-level visits, the memo stated.

Although the State Department was encouraging the embassy to develop plans to transition its security staffing to incorporate more locally based guards, the ability to execute these plans were "severely limited" by a number of factors, including inconsistent support from the Libyan government for bringing in weapons and training guards, and unreliable host government security at U.S. facilities.

The document describes an unpredictable and increasingly unstable security environment with "armed militias beyond control of the central government and frequent clashes in Tripoli and other major population centers."

"While not targeted against U.S. interests or personnel, these clashes pose a serious danger, particularly as the fledgling national police and military forces do not yet have a proven capacity to respond to these clashes - or to any calls for help from the embassy," it reads.

"Until these militias are off the streets and a strong national police force is established, we will not have a reliable, host government partner that is capable of responding to the embassy's security needs. It is likely that we will need to maintain a heightened security posture for the foreseeable future."

Within months there were a string of attacks in Benghazi. In addition a failed bombing attempt with an improvised explosive device against the compound in June, there was an attempted kidnapping of a Red Crescent staff member, a bomb attack on a U.N. convoy, a rocket-propelled grenade attack on the British ambassador's convoy, and a similar attack on an International Committee of the Red Cross facility that caused the organization to pull out of Benghazi.

In April, U.S. Special Forces troops went to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi after the attack on the U.N. convoy spurred concerns about security. The U.S. military team went there to assess the situation and train local Libyan forces on how to better protect the facility.

The February document is one of several being examined by the House Oversight Committee, which is investigating the attacks and holding a hearing Wednesday to determine whether adequate security for U.S. diplomats and missions in Libya was available before Ambassador Stevens and the three others Americans were killed in the September 11 attack.

Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-California, called the hearing after reports from what he called whistle-blowers alleging that the State Department rejected requests for additional security.

Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the head of the security support team, and Eric Nordstrom, a former senior security officer at the U.S. Embassy in Libya, will testify alongside senior State Department officials.

Another internal State Department e-mail - also provided to CNN by a U.S. government source - shows the State Department earlier this year denied a request by the security team at the U.S. Embassy in Libya for an airplane to transport security personnel and for diplomatic business. Stevens was copied on the e-mail, which was signed by Miki Rankin of the State Department's Near East Bureau.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner told reporters Friday that the decision not to keep a DC-3 plane in Tripoli - and use charter flights, instead, if needed - "is a very common practice" in places where commercial airline service is available.

In the days after the assault, U.S. administration officials offered conflicting assessments on what may have led to the fatal security breach. Senior State Department officials have maintained that despite significant improvements to security at the post over the past several months, the security personnel in Benghazi were outmanned by several dozen heavily armed extremists during the attack and that no reasonable security presence could have fended off the sustained assault the consulate faced.

Officials initially said the violence erupted spontaneously amid a large protest about a privately made video produced in the United States that mocked the Prophet Mohammed.

But the U.S. intelligence community revised its assessment. It now believes the incident was "a deliberate and organized terrorist assault carried out by extremists" affiliated with or sympathetic to al Qaeda.

For the first time, an FBI team spent "a number of hours" last week at the Benghazi attack site, Pentagon spokesman George Little said. They were accompanied by what Little described as a "small footprint of (U.S.) military personnel."

U.S. Special Operations Forces units have been in Libya, as well as nearby countries, to help collect intelligence about the assault, a U.S. military official told CNN last week. The official declined to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the information.

Officials said the military presence was an indication of ongoing security concerns in the region, which is a major reason why it took FBI agents three weeks to visit the attack site. That gap, however, has raised questions about the integrity of the FBI investigation and concerns that sensitive documents may have been left unsecured.

Three days after the attack, CNN Senior International Correspondent Arwa Damon discovered Stevens' journal during a visit to the unguarded, abandoned compound.

Last week, a Washington Post reporter visiting the site found sensitive documents, including emergency evacuation protocols, details of U.S. weapons collection efforts, and personnel records of Libyans who had been contracted to provide security.

The State Department has said no classified documents had been left on the premises.

CNN's Barbara Starr and Jill Dougherty contributed to this report.

Post by: By CNN Foreign Affairs Reporter Elise Labott
Filed under: Libya



2 things stand out here. First, the over all threat assessment clearly shows that more security was being sought for, as the situation in Libya was getting worse. Particularly on or around 9/11, it would have made only the most basic and common sense to increase security or change procedures, and yet it seems this administration did nothing.

And second, even IF the extra security detail was going to be situated specifically in Tripoli, it still would have freed up more resources to help protect other US interests in country. Flatly stated, more boots on the ground would have helped the over all situation.



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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:59 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The facts are devastating to the families of those killed, and Americans are extremely upset. Folks are awaiting Hillary Clinton's explanation of her actions before and after the attack. Her Congressional investigation testimony ought to be a real eye opener. Not only were the embassy pleas for more security denied, the pleaders were told not to ask about it anymore. Two security teams were removed and not replaced, right before the Sept. 11 anniversary.

Then we have the COVER UP. I think in the big picture the Admins' post attack explanations, including sending out Susuan Rice five days later to mislead the country over and over on every Sunday news show, is going to hurt Obama more than anything. Coordinated attacks, mortars, and rpgs isn't quite the spontaneous riot from an old movie trailer. Did the mastermind of this absurd cover-up really think Americans are that stupid? Did they really think their network pals' blackout of the facts would last forever?

Then again this Democrat White House has thus far managed to skate away clean on all their scandals....

Energy Dept/Solyndra, Fisker, etc etc.....going nowhere
Justice-Treasury/Fast & Furious.....going nowhere
GSA/Las Vegas spendfest....nothing
Justice Dept/Black Panthers voter intimidation ....nothing
Secret Service prostitutes....nothing

The buck doesn't stop anywhere with this White House. It just gets swept under the rug and we're left holding the broom. Do you think this will affect the election?









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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:05 AM

AURAPTOR

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I had forgotten about the Secret Service prostitute scandal.

Solyndra and the VOLT battery plant , as part of Obama's 'green energy' list of losers he's picked, SHOULD be on the gorram front page.

GSA's Vegas Conference and Fast/ Furious have effectively been scrubbed from the conscience of the public, thanks to MSM's refusal to follow up.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:26 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So you're FOR sending more troops to Libya, after you were AGAINST it?


Go figure.



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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:45 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're FOR sending more troops to Libya, after you were AGAINST it?


Go figure.


Looks like it was the State Department folks on the ground in Libya who wanted more "troops". Too bad they didn't get them.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 4:08 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Oh. Libya itself if fine.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 4:29 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're FOR sending more troops to Libya, after you were AGAINST it?


Go figure.


Looks like it was the State Department folks on the ground in Libya who wanted more "troops". Too bad they didn't get them.




Hey, it's really too bad that there weren't more air marshals and better security before 9/11 despite all the warnings, too. But as you've pointed out, what can you do?



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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 4:59 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, it's really too bad that there weren't more air marshals and better security before 9/11 despite all the warnings, too. But as you've pointed out, what can you do?


Well, no, Mike.

I pointed out the difference between a worldwide general alert covering hundreds of thousands of airline flights and millions of people over several years, and the location-specific, date-specific, target-specific threat to embassy staff. Staff that recognized the threat and requested specific protection, which was already in place, be allowed to remain past what they knew would be a dangerous anniversary.

That you purposely act like you misunderstood this so you can cover for the Obama Administration's failure to protect embassy staff in Libya would seem to indicate that you care more for the President's reputation than the lives of those killed. Why am I not surprised?


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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:53 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, it's really too bad that there weren't more air marshals and better security before 9/11 despite all the warnings, too. But as you've pointed out, what can you do?


Well, no, Mike.

I pointed out the difference between a worldwide general alert covering hundreds of thousands of airline flights and millions of people over several years, and the location-specific, date-specific, target-specific threat to embassy staff. Staff that recognized the threat and requested specific protection, which was already in place, be allowed to remain past what they knew would be a dangerous anniversary.

That you purposely act like you misunderstood this so you can cover for the Obama Administration's failure to protect embassy staff in Libya would seem to indicate that you care more for the President's reputation than the lives of those killed. Why am I not surprised?


Even with all that's coming out, there still are many questions to be answered.

Is this going to matter at all on Election Day, when the public is so focused on the economy?
Will Susan Rice resign?
Will Hillary Clinton resign?
Will The House panel get answers from anyone involved, or will it be another waste of time?
Will the CBS reporter get fired for her great investigative reporting on this because it hurts Obama?
Will this come up during the VP debate Thursday, and if so, what wll Biden say?
Will this come up during the 10/22 Presidential debate, and if so, what will Romney accuse Obama of?
How is Obama going to possibly get out of this mess?






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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:03 AM

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You know, SOME of us had the bloody good sense to not want to stick our dick in that wringer to begin with.
*DOPESLAP*

I.
Told.
You.
So.

Any of ya that supported it, are themselves too guilty to point fingers any where else.

-F

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, it's really too bad that there weren't more air marshals and better security before 9/11 despite all the warnings, too. But as you've pointed out, what can you do?


Well, no, Mike.

I pointed out the difference between a worldwide general alert covering hundreds of thousands of airline flights and millions of people over several years, and the location-specific, date-specific, target-specific threat to embassy staff. Staff that recognized the threat and requested specific protection, which was already in place, be allowed to remain past what they knew would be a dangerous anniversary.

That you purposely act like you misunderstood this so you can cover for the Obama Administration's failure to protect embassy staff in Libya would seem to indicate that you care more for the President's reputation than the lives of those killed. Why am I not surprised?




And your rush to slag this president and this administration, all while defending to the death the previous administration's incompetence and war crimes, leads me to believe that's not drool you're wiping off your chin. Your Dear Leader's reputation clearly means much more to you than any of the hundreds of thousands of lives that were destroyed in his name, but why would you care?



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:55 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And your rush to slag this president and this administration, all while defending to the death the previous administration's incompetence and war crimes, leads me to believe that's not drool you're wiping off your chin. Your Dear Leader's reputation clearly means much more to you than any of the hundreds of thousands of lives that were destroyed in his name, but why would you care?


So your response is, "But Bush..."?

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:41 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And your rush to slag this president and this administration, all while defending to the death the previous administration's incompetence and war crimes, leads me to believe that's not drool you're wiping off your chin. Your Dear Leader's reputation clearly means much more to you than any of the hundreds of thousands of lives that were destroyed in his name, but why would you care?


So your response is, "But Bush..."?


Ignore him. His failure to find any fault with 0bamassiah has pegged him as a true believer. He can't admit he's wrong on ANYTHING. If he does, his whole house of cards will fall apart.


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And your rush to slag this president and this administration, all while defending to the death the previous administration's incompetence and war crimes, leads me to believe that's not drool you're wiping off your chin. Your Dear Leader's reputation clearly means much more to you than any of the hundreds of thousands of lives that were destroyed in his name, but why would you care?


So your response is, "But Bush..."?


Ignore him. His failure to find any fault with 0bamassiah has pegged him as a true believer. He can't admit he's wrong on ANYTHING. If he does, his whole house of cards will fall apart.


Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons



So you admit you got it dead wrong on that whole F&F thing, eh?


Or would your li'l house of cards collapse if you were to admit that?


BTW, you couldn't ignore me if you tried, troll.



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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:56 AM

AURAPTOR

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The only failure belongs to this administration, and no one else.


State Department: Libya Consulate Attack Not Preceded By Protest

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department said Tuesday it never concluded that the consulate attack in Libya stemmed from protests over an American-made video ridiculing Islam, raising further questions about why the Obama administration used that explanation for more than a week after assailants killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans.

The revelation came as new documents suggested internal disagreement over appropriate levels of security before the attack, which occurred on the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the U.S.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/libya-attack-protest-state-de
partment_n_1953263.html

So, if the STATE Dept never said it, then where in the hell did the White House get the " intel " in the first place ?

Easy answer - it made the damn story up about this being in response to " a video ", out of thin air, then repeated the lie , over and over again, to generate a phony issue of Muslims being OUTRAGED over a video no one saw, and which had been released back in July, not a week prior to Sept. 11th.


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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Why did Republicans vote in 2011 and 2012 to cut embassy security funding?

Quote:
The conservative media talking point that the White House abdicated its responsibility to secure the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, took a hit Wednesday when CNN's Soledad O'Brien pressed Congressman Jason Chaffetz to acknowledge that he joined House Republicans in voting to cut funding for embassy security.

Since the September attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, the right-wing media have attacked the Obama administration for supposedly not having enough security at the compound. That myth is undermined by a State Department explanation that "no reasonable security presence could have successfully fended" off the attack.

Chaffetz, a surrogate for Mitt Romney's presidential campaign who is helping to lead an investigation into the attack, appeared to discuss that investigation on CNN's Starting Point with Soledad O'Brien. During the interview, Chaffetz echoed the right-wing media talking point that security was insufficient in Benghazi. But O'Brien pointed out the fundamental hypocrisy in this argument by noting that Chaffetz, like other Republicans in the House, voted to cut funding for embassy security.

O'Brien asked: "Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?" Chaffetz responded: "Absolutely. Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country."

Indeed, Republicans, including Chaffetz and other House Republicans, voted in 2011 and 2012 to give the State Department far less than it requested for embassy security.


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/10/right-wing-medias-libya-consul
ate-security-myth/190508



According to Chaffetz, embassy security and the lives of those staffers just weren't a priority, and that was his choice.




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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:37 PM

AURAPTOR

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This 'funding' issue is a gutless, cowardly lie, by the Democrats, who are in full CYA mode.

Libya was NOT a typical situation. They SPECIFICALLY asked for more security, and the STATE DEPT, not the GOP congress members, denied them this extra security. You're ( intentionally ) talking apples and oranges here , trying to confuse the issue, and make it seem like the blame lies anywhere but w/ this administration. It doesn't. And it's damn cowardly and even treacherous for the Left to even attempt this sort of shell game, simply to deflect blame and attention away from their colossal and deadly incompetence.


The vote the Left is trying to hype up, never took place. The spending levels remained as they always were, long before this attack.


Quote:

According to Chaffetz, embassy security and the lives of those staffers just weren't a priority, and that was his choice.



ETA - And Kwickie, you're either lying, or not paying attention. Chaffetz said SPECIFICALLY that Libya was a higher priority, because of the prior attacks ( which the US MSM and this admin have covered up ) and the uptick of violence before 9/11. ( Check @ the 1:55 mark on the video YOU linked. )

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:54 PM

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It's all coming apart at the seams for President Crybaby and his three cover-up stooges. Today's Congressional hearing left no doubts as to the timeline of events, what they knew and when, and how the White House lied and purposely misled the American people over and over for days and days. When Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, and Jay Carney all get their sorry lying butts hauled in there to testify under oath, this will be Obama's Watergate.

Yesterday I asked questions, today I'll answer them myself....

Is this going to matter at all on Election Day, when the public is so focused on the economy? .....Hard to say now
Will Susan Rice resign? .....Yes
Will Hillary Clinton resign? .....Never
Will The House panel get answers from anyone involved, or will it be another waste of time? .....Already getting startling answers
Will the CBS reporter get fired for her great investigative reporting on this because it hurts Obama?......No
Will this come up during the VP debate Thursday, and if so, what wll Biden say?.....I hope so. Biden will say as little as possible, or just continue the absurd lie that it was due to a you tube video
Will this come up during the 10/22 Presidential debate, and if so, what will Romney accuse Obama of?.....Yes, big time. I'm not sure how Romney will handle it.
How is Obama going to possibly get out of this mess?..... He's not. He can't. It's a potential game changer.







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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


What makes you think they'll testify under oath?


The precedent set by Bush and Cheney?



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:04 PM

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Good point! But somehow I don't think Obama wants a fiery Congressional showdown so close to the election. But they could continue to stonewall and not testify as you say. It depends on how much they're willing to dig their heels in.








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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:09 PM

AURAPTOR

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Jong, while I think much of the media will finally do some actual reporting on this issue, I also think that, because of the gravity of this cover up, and its proximity to the election, they'll entertain enough of the Dem's talking points to allow for Obama's hiney to be covered, at least for the short term.

The press, even this group, doesn't like it when an administration, slaps it across the face and then acts like it did the press some sort of favor by merely acknowledging their presence.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:17 PM

JONGSSTRAW


You're probabaly right AuRaptor. Guess I'm a wee bit fired up over this situation. Seeing the wife of one of the slain Seals on TV begging for the truth, along with several video compilations of what our leaders and their spokesmen said and when they said it, has caused me to forget for a minute some of the political realities out there. Thanks for the sober reminder.









Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You're probably right AuRaptor. Guess I'm a wee bit fired up over this situation. Seeing the wife of one of the slain Seals on TV begging for the truth, along with several video compilations of what our leaders and their spokesmen said and when they said it, has caused me to forget for a minute some of the political realities out there. Thanks for the sober reminder.



There's good reason to be fired up. This incompetent admin has lied, repeatedly, to the public. And worse now, there are members of the President's own party who are , incredibly, making this into a political issue, and give this sort of heinous inaction cover, for fear of losing the election.

They should lose the election over this, because it's a glaring example of just how far this admin will go to promote its political agenda. To promote the optics that all was shiny and fine in Libya, and the Arab spring was nothing but sunshine and rainbows.

4 dead Americans says otherwise.

Even those use to carrying the water for this admin are now growing frustrated...

( Piers ) Morgan interrupted Wasserman-Schultz to get her to highlight how much the Obama administration and State Department were playing up the controversial film Innocence of Muslims being connected to the attacks before all the facts were in. Wasserman-Schultz found it shocking that

Morgan would accuse U.N. ambassador Susan Rice of being “deliberately misleading” on the nature of the attacks. Morgan followed up by asking if Rice was simply wrong. Wasserman-Schultz said that as more information came out, it became clearer that it was a terrorist attack, and

U.S. officials were just going on the information they had at the time.

After Wasserman-Schultz twice tried to criticize the Republicans for politicizing the attacks, Morgan told her she was wasting time on the wrong issue entirely.

“You’re flogging the wrong dead horse! It isn’t about what Mitt Romney or Republicans did. The really… important horse that should be flogged is the behavior and the statements of those who were in positions of responsibility and, we would assume, knowledge, and it’s pretty un-American… to put out completely false statements before you know the facts, isn’t it?”

Wasserman-Schultz said that the administration delivering wrong information was not “deliberate,” insisting that there was “nothing sinister here.”

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:36 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:The State Department released a statement Monday saying an extension of the team would not have made a difference in protecting the diplomatic post in Benghazi during the attack.

...

In the days after the assault, U.S. administration officials offered conflicting assessments on what may have led to the fatal security breach. Senior State Department officials have maintained that despite significant improvements to security at the post over the past several months, the security personnel in Benghazi were outmanned by several dozen heavily armed extremists during the attack and that no reasonable security presence could have fended off the sustained assault the consulate faced.


...because right in the article is another side to the story.

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:42 AM

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The 'private' security we hired, from Libya ? Not only did he inform the terrorists as to where Amb. Stevens was going to be, revealing to them the location of the safe house, he then bolted out of a window,and left the amb to fend for himself.

The issue wasn't just in numbers of armed guards, but in secrecy as well. We HAD none, thanks to the Libyan govt, and this admin, who failed on multiple accounts to do their due diligence in protecting US assets.


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Thursday, October 11, 2012 5:59 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda," said Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty's mother. "It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama."



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Thursday, October 11, 2012 7:16 AM

NIKI2

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Haven't read this thread up until now, because I pretty much knew where it would go. But thought I'd offer an update to provide a bit of perspective:
Quote:
Who's to blame for the Sept. 11 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi?

If you believe Republican Congressman Jason Chaffetz, the answer is the State Department. He complained in an interview with The Daily Beast yesterday that US guards were replaced with Libyan nationals in the months before the attack.

"The fully trained Americans who can deal with a volatile situation were reduced in the six months leading up to the attacks," he told the website. "When you combine that with the lack of commitment to fortifying the physical facilities, you see a pattern.”

Mr. Chaffetz has been among those leading the Republican effort to pin the deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi on the Obama administration. Earlier claims from Chaffetz and fellow Republican Congressman Darrell Issa that the administration ignored pleas for more security from Libya embassy officials should be treated with caution until there's some proof.

But it's certainly true that US embassy security is under strain around the world. Foreign nationals increasingly replace US citizens in everything from visa offices to security details. The new consulate in Benghazi, just over a year old, would have been particularly top-heavy with US nationals to start. Some reduction in US staffing was inevitable.

After I wrote a piece earlier this week about the political gain being sought from the deaths of Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi, a number of diplomatic acquaintances of mine emailed to say I should have looked at the State Department's security budget. Two of them had unprintable things to say about Congress.

Who can be blamed for that? Well, Chaffetz and Issa among others.

Since retaking control in 2010, House Republicans have aggressively cut spending at the State Department in general and embassy security in particular. Chaffetz and Issa and their colleagues voted to pay for far less security than the State Department requested in 2011 and again this year.

Is that responsible for the tragedy in Benghazi? Probably not, at least not entirely. Usually when security goes wrong, it's down to a cascade of small failures piling up. But it's a bit rich to complain about a lack of US security personnel at diplomatic missions on the one hand, while actively working to cut the budget to pay for US security personnel at diplomatic missions on the other.

Scott Lilly, who spent three decades as a senior staffer for Democrats in Congress, often working on budget matters, and now a fellow at the Center for American Progress in DC, says the cuts sought by Congress have been steep since the new House sat in 2011.

The Worldwide Security Protection program (WSP), which the government says provides "core funding for the protection of life, property, and information of the Department of State," and a separate embassy security and construction budget, which in part improves fortifications, have both been under fire.

"In 2011 they came in and passed a continuing resolution for the remainder of that fiscal year. The House proposed $70 million cut in the WSP and they proposed a $204 million cut in Embassy security," says Mr. Lilly. "Then the next year, fiscal 2012, they cut worldwide security by $145 million and embassy security by $376 million. This year's bill is the same thing all over again. The House has cut the worldwide security budget $149 million below the request."

The Senate and the President have sought more money than the House for embassy security, but the horse-trading means that the State Department ends up with less than it requested. For instance, in the fiscal 2012 budget, the cuts over the State Departments' request were "whittled back by the Senate," he says, to $109 million for WSP and $131 million for embassy security.

"We've got something like 260 embassies and consulates around the world, and there's a remarkable number of them that aren't anywhere close to Inman standards and are still particularly dangerous," says Lilly. "Inman standards" refers to the report written by Admiral Bobby Ray Inman on US building security abroad after the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut that left 241 US troops and 58 French soldiers dead.

That is in NO way to mitigate the fact that screw-ups happened, or that Congress or the Republicans are solely to blame, merely to say that if it hadn't been made into quite such a political issue BY the Republicans, maybe there would have been more security and that might (or might not) have helped. Something about glass houses...



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Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Chaffetz and Issa and their colleagues voted to pay for far less security than the State Department requested in 2011 and again this year.




Yup. According to Rappy, Ambassador Stevens had requested extra security, which was not approved or sent. And the GOP-controlled House voted to cut funding for exactly that kind of embassy security, and is now furiously backpedaling and pretending it never happened.



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Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:13 AM

STORYMARK


Damn reality screwing with the "it's ALL Obama's fault" narrative!


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:14 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The 'private' security we hired, from Libya ? Not only did he inform the terrorists as to where Amb. Stevens was going to be, revealing to them the location of the safe house, he then bolted out of a window,and left the amb to fend for himself.

The issue wasn't just in numbers of armed guards, but in secrecy as well. We HAD none, thanks to the Libyan govt, and this admin, who failed on multiple accounts to do their due diligence in protecting US assets.


What part of ...no reasonable security presence could have fended off the sustained assault the consulate faced...don't you get?

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:17 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The 'private' security we hired, from Libya ? Not only did he inform the terrorists as to where Amb. Stevens was going to be, revealing to them the location of the safe house, he then bolted out of a window,and left the amb to fend for himself.

The issue wasn't just in numbers of armed guards, but in secrecy as well. We HAD none, thanks to the Libyan govt, and this admin, who failed on multiple accounts to do their due diligence in protecting US assets.


What part of ...no reasonable security presence could have fended off the sustained assault the consulate faced...don't you get?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.


All it would have meant was more casualties - and more for the wingnuts to attack over. So, you can see how some might wish that had happened...


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:
Damn reality screwing with the "it's ALL Obama's fault" narrative!



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Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
"He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda," said Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty's mother. "It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama."


Ex Seal's mother just wants the truth...

" They haven't told me anything. "




And per the post above, no one is making this political,other than the administration, who is lying faster than shit through a goose.

First it was about a video, which no one had seen. Then , it wasn't about a video, but the security was up to specs. Then, we find out there were requests to upgrade the security, due to an uptick in violence. So much so, Amb Stevens even commented in his own diary, that he feared for his life. To think that he didn't relay this concern to the State Dept, after requesting more security, is to deny reality, out right. And then, after State came out and said it was NEVER about a video, Carney and Axelrod CONTINUE ON WITH THE LIE ABOUT THE VIDEO !!!!

This admin literally can't get on the same page. They're the ones to shoot first, and never aim correctly.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:
Damn reality screwing with the "it's ALL Obama's fault" narrative!




Delusional posts of the day. Congrats.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:02 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:
Damn reality screwing with the "it's ALL Obama's fault" narrative!




Delusional posts of the day. Congrats.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "


Says the delusional man who keeps trying to blame one person, while deliberately ignoring the role his own party played...

I guess that makes the preceding post the "hilariously ignorant of irony" post of the day. Amazing how often rappy wins that award.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Says the delusional man who keeps trying to blame one person, while deliberately ignoring the role his own party played...

I guess that makes the preceding post the "hilariously ignorant of irony" post of the day. Amazing how often rappy wins that award.


Par for the course, you're lying. I never made this ALL about just one person, but this entire administration. And hell yeah I ignore the the lie that the GOP had any hand in this, as it's complete go-se. You have no facts to back up your claims. You're just buying into the lies and spin, coming from the WH, Madame Pantsuit, and Susan Rice.

But speaking of his Oneness, let's do a quick review of what he was doing, while Amb.Stevens went missing, and ended up getting raped, tortured and then murdered.

Sleeping.

Yep. Barry went to bed. You see, he had a big day , what with jetting out to Vegas, then coming back to do a spot on Letterman, and oh yeah, then there was that fundraiser w/ Jay-Z and Beyonce'.

Yes indeedy. Barry's one busy Commander OF Chief, alright.


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Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And today, we learned that Issa and Chaffetz have now outed a CIA "undisclosed location" due to their idiocy, broadcasting its location on C-SPAN.

Quote:
The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank caught an interesting tidbit from yesterday’s House hearing on the attacks on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya last month. The GOP — having spent months railing against the Obama administration for allegedly leaking classified information — yesterday revealed classified information. “When House Republicans called a hearing in the middle of their long recess, you knew it would be something big,” Milbank reports today, “and indeed it was: They accidentally blew the CIA’s cover.”
Accompanying the State Department officials’ testimony was an areal photo of the U.S. facilities in Benghazi, which one of the officials said was “entirely unclassified.” That is until Rep. Jason Chaffez (R-UT) interrupted testimony to point out that the photo contained secret information. Milbank explains:
In their questioning and in the public testimony they invited, the lawmakers managed to disclose, without ever mentioning Langley directly, that there was a seven-member “rapid response force” in the compound [in Benghazi] the State Department was calling an annex. One of the State Department security officials was forced to acknowledge that “not necessarily all of the security people” at the Benghazi compounds “fell under my direct operational control.”
And whose control might they have fallen under? Well, presumably it’s the “other government agency” or “other government entity” the lawmakers and witnesses referred to; Issa informed the public that this agency was not the FBI.
“Other government agency,” or “OGA,” is a common euphemism in Washington for the CIA. This “other government agency,” the lawmakers’ questioning further revealed, was in possession of a video of the attack but wasn’t releasing it because it was undergoing “an investigative process.”
Milbank noted that the New York Times had previously reported that CIA operatives had been evacuated as a result of the attack, but the paper “withheld locations and details of the facilities at the administration’s request.”
Minutes after Chaffetz’s outburst, committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) ordered the photo be taken down. “Too bad he didn’t think of that before putting the CIA on C-SPAN,” Milbank said.


http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/11/991231/republicans-reveal
-cia-base-libya/


Awesome work, GOP. That should really help security in the area.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:


And per the post above, no one is making this political,other than the administration, who is lying faster than shit through a goose.


How fast does shit lie through a goose, exactly?





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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Guess he had to go look it up...



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, October 12, 2012 1:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)









"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, October 12, 2012 1:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


This admin lied to the American public, and more importantly, to the families of the fallen in Libya.

And the lies continue,so much so that even the press and Left wing talk show hosts are beside themselves at the idiocy on parade that's going on here.

Jake Tapper To Jay Carney: Didn't Obama 'Shoot First And Aim Later' Over Libya?



or if this works...







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Friday, October 12, 2012 2:09 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
This admin lied to the American public, and more importantly, to the families of the fallen in Libya.


The only person now lying about this is you. It has been pointed out to you time and time again that the administration was give people the information it was getting from the intelligence community. They were making this very, very clear.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, October 12, 2012 2:14 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
This admin lied to the American public, and more importantly, to the families of the fallen in Libya.


The only person now lying about this is you. It has been pointed out to you time and time again that the administration was give people the information it was getting from the intelligence community. They were making this very, very clear.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.


Where the hell am I lying. Show EXACTLY where, because I'll bet 1000 $ you can't. The admin is LYING, and you're covering for them. No one has come forward and said where they got this intel on the video, on the imaginary riots in Benghazi, so where the HELL is Susan Rice, Jay Carney , or Hillary getting this pile of go-se from in the first place ? State Dept says it wasn't them. Says there NEVER was any proof linking the attacks in Libya to any video. There WERE no 'spontaneous protests / riots' in LIbya, until AFTER the planned, coordinated attacks took place, which took the lives of 4 Americans.

So, the 1000 $ question is WHERE DID THE INTEL COME FROM ?? Answer me that, and I'll write a check now.

If I'm missing something here, then by all means, point it out. Tell us all where the source for this 'video' came from, and how it got tied into this attack in the first place. But you have a far tougher row to hoe to prove I was LYING somehow.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, October 12, 2012 3:06 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Where the hell am I lying. Show EXACTLY where, because I'll bet 1000 $ you can't. The admin is LYING, and you're covering for them. No one has come forward and said where they got this intel on the video, on the imaginary riots in Benghazi, so where the HELL is Susan Rice, Jay Carney , or Hillary getting this pile of go-se from in the first place ? State Dept says it wasn't them. Says there NEVER was any proof linking the attacks in Libya to any video. There WERE no 'spontaneous protests / riots' in LIbya, until AFTER the planned, coordinated attacks took place, which took the lives of 4 Americans.

So, the 1000 $ question is WHERE DID THE INTEL COME FROM ?? Answer me that, and I'll write a check now.

If I'm missing something here, then by all means, point it out. Tell us all where the source for this 'video' came from, and how it got tied into this attack in the first place. But you have a far tougher row to hoe to prove I was LYING somehow.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "


The video is not the only piece of intelligence. Nor would it have been taken at face value right away. The source of the intelligence to the White House was from the National Intelligence office. The Director James Clapper came out and said the office changed its view of the attack as they gathered more itelligence. A spokensmen for the office said that US intelligence agencies had initally thought the attack was part of spontanious riots because they did not have solid evidence of a planned attack.

The administration ecohed those statments. They did not say for certain that the attacks were part of broader protests, but that is what it looked like based on a lack of other evidence.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/28/us-usa-libya-intelligence-id
USBRE88R1EG20120928

You claiming other wise after this has been pointed out to you is a lie. I will take that check now, you can make it out to Matthew A. Nickerson, when you are ready I will PM you my address.

...unless of course you are also lying about the check?


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, October 12, 2012 3:29 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


State Dept NEVER claimed the video was in any way connected to the attacks.

You don't go out and say something unless you have credible evidence to back it up, and that is EXACTLY what this admin did. It did so because it was in a rush to cover its ass, and promote the narrative that everything is shiny and happy over in Libya, and that this was just some random, spontaneous occurrence, an aberration to the norm. Nothing to see here, move along, all is well.

Bullshit.

From the link YOU provided...

Quote:
Within hours of the attacks ending, some government sources in Washington were already acknowledging they might well have been planned and organized in advance, and that members of two militant factions, Ansar al Shariah and al Qaeda's North Africa-based affiliate, known as al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, may have been involved.


WITH IN HOURS , and yet this admin carried on w/ the lie of ' it was about a video ' for well over a week, and mouth pieces of the admin are STILL promoting the 'it was the video ' lie.

Sorry, you have no case. No check for you.

And still, no source for connecting the video to the attacks has yet been made. WHERE did this info come from ? WHO first told Rice, Clinton, Obama, Carney about this mysterious video, which had come out back in the early summer, and no one or hardly anyone had heard of let alone SEEN.

Still waiting for that thread to be pulled.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, October 12, 2012 3:49 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
State Dept NEVER claimed the video was in any way connected to the attacks.

You don't go out and say something unless you have credible evidence to back it up, and that is EXACTLY what this admin did. It did so because it was in a rush to cover its ass, and promote the narrative that everything is shiny and happy over in Libya, and that this was just some random, spontaneous occurrence, an aberration to the norm. Nothing to see here, move along, all is well.

Bullshit.

From the link YOU provided...

Quote:
Within hours of the attacks ending, some government sources in Washington were already acknowledging they might well have been planned and organized in advance, and that members of two militant factions, Ansar al Shariah and al Qaeda's North Africa-based affiliate, known as al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, may have been involved.


WITH IN HOURS , and yet this admin carried on w/ the lie of ' it was about a video ' for well over a week, and mouth pieces of the admin are STILL promoting the 'it was the video ' lie.

Sorry, you have no case. No check for you.

And still, no source for connecting the video to the attacks has yet been made. WHERE did this info come from ? WHO first told Rice, Clinton, Obama, Carney about this mysterious video, which had come out back in the early summer, and no one or hardly anyone had heard of let alone SEEN.

Still waiting for that thread to be pulled.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "


You really only see what you want.

Within hours of the attacks ending, some government sources in Washington were already acknowledging they might well have been planned and organized in advance, and that members of two militant factions, Ansar al Shariah and al Qaeda's North Africa-based affiliate, known as al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, may have been involved.

You see most intelligent people would understand the importance of words such as "might" and "may". Those indicate that that statement they are in is a possibility, not a fact. Plus you ignore where is says "some" government sources. Not all of them.

Also the administration never said that that it knew for a fact that attacks were linked to the video. If said that is what the current assessment was. Again the word "current" is important. It means they are acknowledging that the assessment may change in the future.

You must also be an idiot if you think that the Administration would not have been told by US intelligence about the video as soon as it was broadcast on Egyptian TV.

Now are you and idiot or a liar? Perhaps you are both. My case is clearly laid out. I answered your challenge. If you don't understand that it means you are an imbecile. If you do and still do not admit it that makes you a liar.

Of course you could have just been proven wrong, with is much better than being an idiot or a liar. However being looked at as that will cost you $1000.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, October 12, 2012 4:13 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So Rappy is claiming that the Obama admin is claiming that this was "all about the video", and then he's turning around and claiming that the State Dept NEVER claimed it was linked in any way to the video.



Does he not realize that State is part of the Administration?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, October 12, 2012 5:38 AM

STORYMARK


I think that, in his head, reality is a fluid thing, that changes on a dime to fit his perpetual (and petulant) anger.

Its why he can't tell an actual fact from a rapfact - if he believes it, its true - END OF FUCKING STORY, NOW YOU SHUT UP!!


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, October 12, 2012 5:42 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Rappy I would like my $1000 in the form of a money order please.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, October 12, 2012 5:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Rappy I would like my $1000 in the form of a money order please.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Best of luck with that. You'll never see a penny, because Rappy will never keep his word.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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