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Monday, April 16, 2012 6:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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"I have here in my hand a list of 205 communists ..."

The ghost of Joe McCarthy's ulcerous accusations hung over a disturbingly casual comment this past week by U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Florida.

When asked by a constituent at a town hall, "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card-carrying Marxists?"

"That's a fair question," West replied. "I believe there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party."

Keep in mind that this is the man Sarah Palin recently recommended be Mitt Romney's vice presidential nominee.

John P. AvlonAnd not only did West not apologize -- or receive significant criticism from his fellow Republicans -- his revealing response was to raise funds off it.

The number West picked out was apparently based on the number of congressmen affiliated with the Congressional Progressive Caucus. This is an organization of the most liberal members of Congress, but to call them communists is a slander splashed with blood.

Communists, of course, murdered more than 100 million people in the past century, if you add up the rough total of butchery by Vladimir Lenin (Soviet Union), Joseph Stalin (Soviet Union), Mao Zedong (China) and Pol Pot (Cambodia). This is the reason people were understandably offended at Miami Manager Ozzie Guillen's recent comments professing admiration for Cuban Communist dictator Fidel Castro.

But there were no widespread protests or requests for censure in West's case. Instead it was greeted as an almost unremarkable part of the new normal.

A military man of West's rank understands the magnitude of his misstatement. So I'm assuming that he was sincere in the accusation.

To equate liberals in Congress with communists is like equating conservatives in Congress with fascists -- something only the most brain-dead Occupy protester would attempt.

And just for a moment imagine if a liberal member of Congress made an equal and opposite accusation, saying that all the members of the tea party caucus were Nazis. It would be rightly greeted with wall-to-wall outrage.

But the asymmetric polarization of our politics has made such accusations within the easy reach of politically successful ideologues at unguarded moments.

West's comments were simply extensions of U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann's infamous statement in 2008 about how then-candidate Barack Obama -- and many Democratic members of Congress -- held "anti-American views."

They really believe this stuff: Anyone who is not avowedly conservative is considered liberal -- and therefore anyone who is avowedly liberal is considered communist. This is not a little insane.

It is this logic also that allows conservative activists to paint Obama as socialist or communist. Anything even slightly left of center is immediately seen as extreme. Thereby ideas embraced by Republicans even a decade ago -- such as the individual mandate to buy health insurance -- are now seen as radical and a clear attempt to undermine the U.S. Constitution and replace freedom with socialism.

This is what happens when politics starts looking like a cult with litmus tests and loyalty oaths and periodic purges of anyone who dissents. Perspective is the first thing abandoned.

And when a member of your "team" says something extreme, it is either ignored or excused by invoking extreme statements from the other side of the ideological gulf -- therefore the conservative response to Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut was to try and make the debate about Bill Maher's past statements about Sarah Palin.

An insensitive but not entirely inaccurate statement by liberal pundit Hilary Rosen is suddenly seen as serving as a surrogate for the Obama campaign despite their immediate denunciations of it. Extending this logic, Mitt Romney will be held that responsible for anything extreme conservative talking heads say in this campaign.

Fundraising off extreme statements is just the latest innovation -- something even more cynical than anything Joe McCarthy might have tried. At least for now, West is not a new McCarthy. He's not a fearful force, but a fringe voice in Congress.

But the ratcheting up of rhetoric has been occurring for so long that we almost don't notice it anymore. This feeds the cycle of incitement that is polarizing our politics. It will only stop when members of the two parties start condemning extreme comments made by members of their own team. And if elected officials start to equate liberals with communists, it is time to break the glass in case of emergency, because we are losing any sense of perspective in American politics. http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/15/opinion/avlon-west-communists/index.html
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, hear! And Dems DID condemn Rosen's comments, bear in mind (despite the fact that I think what she said was actually understood by the majority of people as being that she'd never had a "job"). Essentially, "anything goes" on the right, including insanity and already-PROVEN flat-out lies! Where does it stop? Or DOES it? How do we get back to sanity? Or DO we?


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Monday, April 16, 2012 9:21 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Allen West is nutty as squire crap.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, April 16, 2012 9:22 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Allen West is nutty as squire crap. I honestly think people voted him in just to troll Washington.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, April 16, 2012 10:36 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


No... You are now National-Socialists.

Communists as well, but Nazis first.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Monday, April 16, 2012 10:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money




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Monday, April 16, 2012 11:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money



Seems to be the problem with capitalism, too.

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Monday, April 16, 2012 11:01 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
No... You are now National-Socialists.

Communists as well, but Nazis first.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."




And, as ever, Wulfie puts on a stunning display of just how little he'll ever know about... anything.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, April 16, 2012 11:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money



Seems to be the problem with capitalism, too.



And, as ever, Kwickie puts on a stunning display of just how little he'll ever know about... anything .



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Monday, April 16, 2012 11:19 AM

KPO

"Love is natural and real. But not for you my love. Not tonight my love..."


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Communists as well, but Nazis first.


Commie-Nazis!

God love you Wulfenstar :)

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, April 16, 2012 1:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money



Seems to be the problem with capitalism, too.



And, as ever, Kwickie puts on a stunning display of just how little he'll ever know about... anything .





How much money did the federal government have to give the financial sector when they ran out of other people's money in 2008, while you were screaming about the economy being "on fire"?




"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, April 16, 2012 4:37 PM

FREMDFIRMA





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Monday, April 16, 2012 6:02 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Look Rappy and his pet Wolf are trying to use words that don't understand. Next they will try and claim that they can get a higher security level then the president like Allen West did.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


How much money did the federal government have to give the financial sector when they ran out of other people's money in 2008, while you were screaming about the economy being "on fire"?




Have to, or choose to ? Big difference.


But since it was primarily the fault of govt in the first place, dabbling in the free market and forcing banks to make bad loans to those who couldn't repay them, I hardly see how anyone w/ a brain can blame this entirely ( or even mostly ) on the private sector.

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Look Rappy and his pet Wolf are trying to use words that don't understand. Next they will try and claim that they can get a higher security level then the president like Allen West did.


Never heard of Margaret Thatcher, huh?

And I'm not Lt Col Allen West, so I can't speak as to what level of security HE can get.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:28 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
But since it was primarily the fault of govt in the first place, dabbling in the free market and forcing banks to make bad loans to those who couldn't repay them,



That's been debunked so many times it silly. Don't think so? Give us the wording of the regulations that required this.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Never heard of Margaret Thatcher, huh?

And I'm not Lt Col Allen West, so I can't speak as to what level of security HE can get.



Yes I've heard of Thatcher, your point?

What ever it is, it is not higher then the President's as West calimed.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:58 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
They really believe this stuff: Anyone who is not avowedly conservative is considered liberal -- and therefore anyone who is avowedly liberal is considered communist. This is not a little insane.



Or:

They really believe this stuff: Anyone who is not avowedly liberal is considered conservative -- and therefore anyone who is avowedly conservative is considered Nazi. This is not a little insane.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:26 AM

CAVETROLL


Well, as I said in another thread, there is a public list of congress members who are members of the American socialist party. This was news in circulation in 2008 and briefly in 2010. Not sure how this is new news.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:28 AM

KPO

"Love is natural and real. But not for you my love. Not tonight my love..."


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
They really believe this stuff: Anyone who is not avowedly conservative is considered liberal -- and therefore anyone who is avowedly liberal is considered communist. This is not a little insane.



Or:

They really believe this stuff: Anyone who is not avowedly liberal is considered conservative -- and therefore anyone who is avowedly conservative is considered Nazi. This is not a little insane.



From the article:

Quote:

And just for a moment imagine if a liberal member of Congress made an equal and opposite accusation, saying that all the members of the tea party caucus were Nazis. It would be rightly greeted with wall-to-wall outrage.


It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Geezer, I'm confused. Wulf said we were National-Socialists, Commies AND Nazis...can we be Nazis too?

I simply HAVE to believe Wulf was joking. Surely not even HE is that dumb?!

Bad times bad times bad times...



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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:07 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
No... You are now National-Socialists.

Communists as well, but Nazis first.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."



Hey, fucktard, Mr. Godwin called. You're over-using his rule.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:09 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
They really believe this stuff: Anyone who is not avowedly conservative is considered liberal -- and therefore anyone who is avowedly liberal is considered communist. This is not a little insane.



Or:

They really believe this stuff: Anyone who is not avowedly liberal is considered conservative -- and therefore anyone who is avowedly conservative is considered Nazi. This is not a little insane.



Oh, look, you can change others' words. Good for you.

What you can't do is show the wealth of examples of the left acting that way - there is ample proof in just THIS THREAD that the right does.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:11 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Niki2:

I simply HAVE to believe Wulf was joking. Surely not even HE is that dumb?!



I don't. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see that moron smearing the walls of his cave with his own shit.

He really, REALLY is THAT dumb.

And he's breeding.

Dark days indeed.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:25 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"I don't. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see that moron smearing the walls of his cave with his own shit.

He really, REALLY is THAT dumb.

And he's breeding.

Dark days indeed."


Liberals-Progressives support Socialism on a National scale. Look at ObamaCare, or spreading-the-wealth, or any of a hundred other things they've done and/or are trying to do. Thus, the term National-Socialist (i.e. NAZI) applies.

Nazism isn't just about trains, gas, and death camps. (Tho, that is its end result.) Its also political correctness, censorship, disarmament and propaganda. I could point out the times where the Democratic Lib-Prog Party has engaged in such things, but then this post would go on for days, and days, and days.

Communism (which is an ethos of the same vein as National-Socialism) is also alive and well within the Democratic Party. Evidence being that the self-proclaimed Communist Party has overwhelmingly supported Democratic Lib-Prog candidates. Not to mention its open support of the so-called Occupy "movement".



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:39 AM

STORYMARK


You're nothing but a pile of talk radio sound blurbs and rank stupidity.

You think a hand-out to corporate insurance companies is actual Socialism. You tack "National" onto it so you can label us Nazi - without any understanding of how the political theories actually work, much less how the parties operated.

You have the mental maturity of a child, yet think you are king.

You are a joke Wulfie. Every time you try to convince us of your greatness, we just laugh harder.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

Communism (which is an ethos of the same vein as National-Socialism) is also alive and well within the Democratic Party. Evidence being that the self-proclaimed Communist Party has overwhelmingly supported Democratic Lib-Prog candidates. Not to mention its open support of the so-called Occupy "movement".




Ah - so if I were to show you racists, white supremacists, KKK members, fascists, and neo-Nazis supporting the Tea Party, you'd readily admit that the tea-baggers are all Nazis and share the same agenda, right?

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:11 AM

STORYMARK


Yeah, ask the cavemen to work a logical progression. We'll see how THAT goes...

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:26 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


I think the funniest part is how he is bringing up Socialism and Communism and can't figure out why people are not fleeing the room. Perhaps someone should tell him that those ideologies do not scare intelligent people.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:36 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

Liberals-Progressives support Socialism on a National scale. Look at ObamaCare, or spreading-the-wealth, or any of a hundred other things they've done and/or are trying to do. Thus, the term National-Socialist (i.e. NAZI) applies.

Nazism isn't just about trains, gas, and death camps. (Tho, that is its end result.) Its also political correctness, censorship, disarmament and propaganda. I could point out the times where the Democratic Lib-Prog Party has engaged in such things, but then this post would go on for days, and days, and days.



Dude. No. Seriously. No.

You seem to have no trace of a clue what national socialism was.

It was first and foremost an ideology based on a paranoid racism and the idea that a people (a "nation", hence "national") form an identity greater than the individual to the point where the individual is a meaningless part of that fictional whole. The purity of that "nation" must be preserved against intermixing and interference from other such super-identity groups, ones that are (of COURSE) genetically inferior.

The basis of everything that national socialists did was the constant fear of outside and inside enemies. Political, racial, social... enemies, everywhere. When they ran out, they made new ones. To ward off those enemies, everything was acceptable. HENCE the obliteration of human and civil rights, HENCE the centralisation of power and police control, HENCE the readiness for war and genocide.

Paranoid racism, talk of enemies... any of that sound familiar?


I can take a lot of what you write, but you do NOT get to misrepresent what national socialism was for your political agenda. That is unbelievably disrespectful to anyone who was a victim of that hate-filled shit or died fighting against it. And that's a number of people that ranks in the double-digit millions. Have some shred of respect for history.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:04 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:

Dude. No. Seriously. No.

You seem to have no trace of a clue what national socialism was.

It was first and foremost an ideology based on a paranoid racism and the idea that a people (a "nation", hence "national") form an identity greater than the individual to the point where the individual is a meaningless part of that fictional whole. The purity of that "nation" must be preserved against intermixing and interference from other such super-identity groups, ones that are (of COURSE) genetically inferior.



Nowadays it's called "American Exceptionalism" - the idea that all the rules apply to everyone else EXCEPT America, and that the rules don't apply to American because we are just that fucking awesome, in every conceivable way.

As Mitt Romney put it, "We'll say we're sorry, but we'll never apologize!"

"Let's Roll!" "America - FUCK YEAH!" *THAT* is National Socialism, Wulfie. That's your "collectivist" mindset (you realize that when you start going to your tea-bagger circle-jerks with Rappy and the rest, you're all participating in collectivism, right?



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:25 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
From the article:

Quote:

And just for a moment imagine if a liberal member of Congress made an equal and opposite accusation, saying that all the members of the tea party caucus were Nazis. It would be rightly greeted with wall-to-wall outrage.





Or not.

Quote:


Say What? Democrat Compares Republicans to Nazis


ABC News Jonathan Karl reports: The newfound civility didn’t last long. Political rhetoric in Congress doesn’t get much nastier than the words of one House Democrat during the debate on repealing the health care law. In an extraordinary outburst on the House floor, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) invoked the Holocaust to attack Republicans on health care and compared rhetoric on the issue to the work of infamous Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. “They say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie just like Goebbels," Cohen said. "You say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, and eventually, people believe it. Like blood libel. That's the same kind of thing. And Congressman Cohen didn’t stop there. “The Germans said enough about the Jews and people believed it–believed it and you have the Holocaust. We heard on this floor, government takeover of health care. Politifact said the biggest lie of 2010 was a government takeover of health care because there is no government takeover," Cohen said. Cohen made his comments late last night, but they have attracted no attention because his speech was made to a virtually empty House chamber with no reporters around to watch.




http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/01/abc-news-jonathan-karl-re
ports-the-newfound-civility-didnt-last-long-political-rhetoric-in-congress-doesnt-get-much
/

And he didn't even limit it to the Tea Party Republicans.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:53 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer, I'm confused. Wulf said we were National-Socialists, Commies AND Nazis...can we be Nazis too?




Niki, this is America. You can grow up to be anything you want to be.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
From the article:

Quote:

And just for a moment imagine if a liberal member of Congress made an equal and opposite accusation, saying that all the members of the tea party caucus were Nazis. It would be rightly greeted with wall-to-wall outrage.





Or not.

Quote:


Say What? Democrat Compares Republicans to Nazis


ABC News Jonathan Karl reports: The newfound civility didn’t last long. Political rhetoric in Congress doesn’t get much nastier than the words of one House Democrat during the debate on repealing the health care law. In an extraordinary outburst on the House floor, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) invoked the Holocaust to attack Republicans on health care and compared rhetoric on the issue to the work of infamous Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. “They say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie just like Goebbels," Cohen said. "You say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, and eventually, people believe it. Like blood libel. That's the same kind of thing. And Congressman Cohen didn’t stop there. “The Germans said enough about the Jews and people believed it–believed it and you have the Holocaust. We heard on this floor, government takeover of health care. Politifact said the biggest lie of 2010 was a government takeover of health care because there is no government takeover," Cohen said. Cohen made his comments late last night, but they have attracted no attention because his speech was made to a virtually empty House chamber with no reporters around to watch.




http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/01/abc-news-jonathan-karl-re
ports-the-newfound-civility-didnt-last-long-political-rhetoric-in-congress-doesnt-get-much
/

And he didn't even limit it to the Tea Party Republicans.




That's only because the Republicans themselves don't limit such behavior to the tea-bagging contingent within their ranks.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:01 AM

STORYMARK


Riiiiiight, Geezer. Saying someone lied, "like" Goebbels is EXACTLY the same as saying some is a Nazi.

Are you going for a record for false equivalence or something?

Aren't you the guys who defended Hank Williams Jr. for his incredibly simmilar statement??

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:02 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That's only because the Republicans themselves don't limit such behavior to the tea-bagging contingent within their ranks.



And now there'll be no wall-to-wall outrage at you calling Republicans Nazis either.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:05 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Riiiiiight, Geezer. Saying someone lied, "like" Goebbels is EXACTLY the same as saying some is a Nazi.




Take it up with ABC. It's their story. There's a quote and a cite and everything.

Really. Try and keep up.


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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:10 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by GEEZER:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Riiiiiight, Geezer. Saying someone lied, "like" Goebbels is EXACTLY the same as saying some is a Nazi.




Take it up with ABC. It's their story. There's a quote and a cite and everything.

Really. Try and keep up.




....Wow.

I didn't take issue with the story - but with how YOU presented it.

Keep up, indeed.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That's only because the Republicans themselves don't limit such behavior to the tea-bagging contingent within their ranks.



And now there'll be no wall-to-wall outrage at you calling Republicans Nazis either.




Well, you've obviously got the wall on the right covered already...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:16 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Riiiiiight, Geezer. Saying someone lied, "like" Goebbels is EXACTLY the same as saying some is a Nazi.




Take it up with ABC. It's their story. There's a quote and a cite and everything.

Really. Try and keep up.




....Wow.

I didn't take issue with the story - but with how YOU presented it.

Keep up, indeed.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"




So to sum up: ABC expressed some outrage (or at least framed the story in an outrageous fashion), and I've no doubt that Fox did the same, so you have outrageous coverage from the "liberal media" AND the right-wing mouthpieces at Fox.

Sounds pretty wall-to-wall to me.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:34 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So to sum up: ABC expressed some outrage (or at least framed the story in an outrageous fashion), and I've no doubt that Fox did the same, so you have outrageous coverage from the "liberal media" AND the right-wing mouthpieces at Fox.

Sounds pretty wall-to-wall to me.



ABC also noted the LACK of outrage, and there is apparently none you can find from any Democratic congressperson, so I'd say, wall-to-wall, not so much.

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Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:47 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Looking back at the original blog Niki posted, what strikes me is that while Rep. West did say that some congresspersons who were members of the Democratic party were also members of the Communist party, that's all he said.

The presumably liberal writer of the blog, however, then went on a rampage of hate against the Communists, listing all thier faults, "Communists, of course, murdered more than 100 million people in the past century, if you add up the rough total of butchery by Vladimir Lenin (Soviet Union), Joseph Stalin (Soviet Union), Mao Zedong (China) and Pol Pot (Cambodia). This is the reason people were understandably offended at Miami Manager Ozzie Guillen's recent comments professing admiration for Cuban Communist dictator Fidel Castro.", but none of the benefits that Socialists in this very board often praise, such as more equitable distribution of resources, free health care for all, etc.

So why the "Evil Commies" screed from the blogger? Apparently to make it look like Rep. West was branding Democratic congressfolks as such, rather than noting that the Progressive Alliance supports many of the same goals as the Communist Party USA (Which had nothing to do with the 100 million murdered by dictatorial governments).


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Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:07 AM

STORYMARK


Of course, you would claim such a flase over-simplification. That's pretty much your bag these days.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:26 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Gun-Control - Democrats.

Political Correctness - Democrats.

Affirmative Action - Democrats.

ObamaCare - Democrats.

The ones posing as Republicans are no better.

Might be time for us to choose differently.

How many here are not fooled by the "Blue vs. Red" setup we've been given?

Yeah, Americans love a winner. Love our sports. Love our under-dog winner stories. After all, its the story of our entire culture.

But it might have been hijacked.

Might be time for a new direction.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:47 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Just call me Venkman. :)



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:53 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Gun-Control - Democrats.

Political Correctness - Democrats.

Affirmative Action - Democrats.

ObamaCare - Democrats.

The ones posing as Republicans are no better.

Might be time for us to choose differently.

How many here are not fooled by the "Blue vs. Red" setup we've been given?

Yeah, Americans love a winner. Love our sports. Love our under-dog winner stories. After all, its the story of our entire culture.

But it might have been hijacked.

Might be time for a new direction.



I'm sorry, I look at this and just see someone lamenting because their ideals of how society should be run are not shared by enough people to make it so.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, April 19, 2012 12:20 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Gun-Control - Democrats.

Political Correctness - Democrats.

Affirmative Action - Democrats.

ObamaCare - Democrats.

The ones posing as Republicans are no better.

Might be time for us to choose differently.

How many here are not fooled by the "Blue vs. Red" setup we've been given?

Yeah, Americans love a winner. Love our sports. Love our under-dog winner stories. After all, its the story of our entire culture.

But it might have been hijacked.

Might be time for a new direction.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."



Oh please oh please Papa Wulf, tell us what any of this has to do with Communism or Nazism? I'm waiting with bated breath.

Socialist and unashamed.


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Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:05 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Say What? Democrat Compares Republicans to Nazis

If the shoe fits...

-F

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Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:37 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!






"I'm Barack Obama, the Marxist professor. I spent the last two years of high school in a daze. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead, that where I was headed. Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. You ain't my bitch nigger, buy your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father MP3 (written by Communist terrorist bomber Bill Ayres)
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/
http://piratenews.org/obamacrimes.html



"Last Thursday evening at Montclair State University, with a video camera rolling, Bill Ayers volunteered that yes indeed he had written the acclaimed Barack Obama memoir, Dreams from My Father. 'Yeah, yeah,' he said after confirming again that he wrote Dreams, 'And if you help me prove it, I'll split the royalties with you. Thank you very much.'
-Terrorist Ayres ADMITS writing "autobiography" for Obama
http://capoliticalnews.com/blog_post/show/8090

"We invented all kinds of ways to obtain false identity papers, and got busy building multiple sets of ID for each of us and for every contingency. We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart."
-Bill Ayres, terrorist bomber Weather Underground for CIA's Operation Northwoods, confessed author of Obama's "autobiography" Dreams of My Father
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=275861

“Obama is a illegal alien using deceased Thomas Woods social security number. SSN 042-68-4425 was stolen by Obama. According to the Social Security Administration, that number was never issued,” said Hollister, who challenged whether the president is an American citizen in a lawsuit the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear Jan. 18 without requiring a response from the White House. However, that’s the Social Security number that appears on the Selective Service documents Hollister obtained.
http://biglicknews.blogspot.com/2011/03/obama-is-illegal-alien-using-d
eceased.html

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=48093&m=838875#83887
5


"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough. Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at. Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon.''
-Professor Bill Ayers, FBI/CIA employee and confessed bomber of NYPD HQ, US Capitol, NY Supreme Court, bombed and killed two female bombers in his house, busted CIA LSD mind-control agent Timothy Leary out of prison, confessed to 12 bombings in Operation Northwoods but never prosecuted, author of Barack Hussien Obama Sotoro's authorized biography and grant recipient of Obama's Annenberg Foundation
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/
youtube.com/watch?v=OfIZDYm0a54


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_underground

"It is necessary - secretly and urgently to prepare the terror, to introduce mass terror. Do not look in the file of incriminating evidence to see whether or not the accused rose up against the Soviets with arms or words. Ask him instead to which class he belongs, what is his background, his education, his profession. These are the questions that will determine the fate of the accused. That is the meaning and essence of the Red Terror. Yours, Jew Lenin. P.S. Find tougher people."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSterror.htm

"As dictator, Lenin adopted the merciless terror methods of France’s Illuminati chief, Robespierre. To help in the killing, Lenin mobilized 1,400,000 Jews, putting many to work for the Cheka secret police. Lenin ordered the Cheka to "execute weapons owners!" They were also to kill as many students as possible, including every youth seen wearing a school cap. Concentration camps were set up from which victims never emerged. Barges were used to drown people. Eyes of churchmen were poked out, tongues cut off, hands sawn off, heads drilled with dental tools—while screaming victims were still alive. Those nearby were forced to cut off the scalp and skull of victims and eat their brains; then, they, too, were executed. Whole families were arrested, mothers brutally raped and killed with children and fathers watching. Then all were grotesquely tortured and killed. Lenin and Trotsky were, nevertheless, never satisfied. "Put more force into the terror," Lenin demanded. In August, 1923, with syphilis ravaging his mind, an ailing Vladimir Lenin sat on his balcony at Christmas and howled at the full moon like a wolf. A few weeks later, he was dead. But the Red Terror had only begun. Lenin’s bloody successor, Joseph Stalin, was at his bedside ready to assume Lenin’s mantle as chief executioner. From 1923 to his own death in the 50s, Stalin saw to it that tens of millions more were purged, arrested, locked away in psychiatric hospitals and gulags, and tortured in KGB chambers of horror."
http://www.texemarrs.com/012001/revbld.htm

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
-Hussein Obama Soetoro
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_brings_a_gun_to_a_kn
ife_fight.html


Hussein Obama Soetoro massacred 1,500 Christians and burned down 800 churches for his Commie cousin in Kenya
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamanation-raped-killed-100
0_25.html




Consitutional Amendment to ban First Amendment Free Speech by news corporations ordered by Demorats and Dictator Hussein Obama Soetoro (official citizen of Indonesia, Kenya and UK)
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51701


http://www.archive.org/details/FreedomOdeToRonPaul

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Friday, April 20, 2012 5:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree, Nick. And I find it heartening that SOME people recognize West's comments for what they are:
Quote:

Ellison declined the opportunity to return the rhetorical fire to Republicans across the aisle, calling such an exchange "childlike."

"There's a lot of ugly names you could call someone who has a right-wing perspective — on the extreme — but we don't engage in tit-for-tat because that's childlike, we're adults," he said. "We swore an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, and that's what I'm going to do, I'm not going to be distracted by somebody who is not clear on what we are supposed to be doing over here." http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/222637-house-dems-dismiss-
wests-childlike-communist-comments
no, that's not all he said, he doubled down:
Quote:

"I'm just talking about the fact of the ideologies, the principles you believe in," he said on CNN, urging others to "stand upon truth" and learn to identify the ideological motivations of members of Congress. "I'm calling it this: communist, progressive, Marxist, socialist, statist."

“I’m not going to back down. I’m not going to be afraid about the fact that I called a spade a spade," he said Tuesday. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/222479-rep-west-doubl
es-down-on-communist-ideology-of-progressive-caucus
also went further
Quote:

West reiterated the "communist" comments he made last week, telling CNN on Thursday that progressivism was just a new name for the American communist party.

"At the turn of the century here in the United States of America, American communists renamed themselves progressives, but the strategy, the tactics, the ideology remains the same. Same cite as first

As to the blog in question, I assume Geezer didn't notice that it was an OPINION piece, not a news story...

Reading Wulf's various "remarks" (I use the term loosely), I was hit with the perfect description of what he does: He PONTIFICATES! Never thought of it before, recognized the condescension and apparent belief that he is "teaching" us...or somesuch...but that word hit me as I was reading, and it is the most apropos description, surprised it didn't occur to me before. Of course, he pontificates IGNORANTLY, but that's kind of beside the point.




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