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Meanwhile, back in Libya (remember Libya?)

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Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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About 200,000 Libyans remain under threat as Moammar Gadhafi loyalists battle to the end in the only two areas still contested in Libya: Bani Walid and Sirte, the coastal birthplace of the fallen leader.

Fierce fighting yielded a path into Sirte's port Tuesday for revolutionary fighters, approaching the besieged city first from the south, then the west. With supply routes largely severed, water, food and medicine are in short supply, said Col. Roland Lavoie, military spokesman for NATO.

He said the shortages and a lack of electricity have placed enormous pressure on the civilian population, who are also being used as human shields by Gadhafi loyalists. One of their staging areas has been the main hospital in Sirte, where Gadhafi's fighters feel protected from NATO airstrikes.

Control over the strategically important Sirte port has changed hands before -- anti-Gadhafi fighters have previously taken the port during the day and retreated at night.

"We consider it contested," Lavoie said about Sirte. "So it means that a big part of the town is controlled by Gadhafi forces."

He said National Transitional Council forces have made significant gains in Sirte over the last three days but it would be "premature to go farther than that" in making an assessment.

Meanwhile, in the eastern city of Benghazi, transitional council members were meeting for a third day to discuss forming a government.

Council members previously agreed the government should include a premier, a vice premier and 22 ministers.

But an announcement of the new government's creation should be contingent on wresting control of all cities from forces loyal to Gadhafi, said senior council member Abdulrazag Elaradi.

The meetings began Sunday, and the formation of a government could take up to a week.

The council said it will expand as cities are liberated to ensure representation in all regions of the country.

The council announced Saturday that it had advanced into Sirte following 24 hours of NATO aerial bombardments.

"Among the reports emerging from Sirte are executions, hostage-taking and the calculated targeting of individuals, families, and communities within the city," NATO has said. The organization has also pointed to mercenaries employed by the pro-Gadhafi side and civilians denied access to critical food, water and medical care.

The battle for Sirte has been difficult because Gadhafi loyalists have been using snipers and advanced weapons such as machine guns, according to the revolutionary fighters. http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/world/africa/libya-war/index.html?hpt=hp
_t2

Good for them! There's some promising stuff in there (like representation), in my opinion.

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Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



This was all wrapped up , in a few days, way back in the early summer.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:07 PM

DREAMTROVE


Good for whom?

I'm not sure the people of Libya, or Qaddafi, did anything to deserve any of this. Every time the US goes to war there's an attempt to Hitlerize the head of whatever state we're attacking, which, IMHO, is just absurd. I mean, this is the same media that told you that Paris Hilton was important, and that US Presidents never lie and that Madonna and Britney Spears set fashion trends rather than make lame attempts to follow them. I see no reason to buy the sudden demonization of whomever we are at war with.

Saddam Hussein I'd had problems with for a long time, but it still wasn't enough to get me to support a war against him, because warmongering isn't really a great solution to a warmonger, because, well, it doesn't result in less warmongering. I might've supported an assassination or perhaps a kidnapping in that case. And with Ahmadinejad, okay, I disagree with the guy on a couple of key points, but for God's sake he's not Hitler.

So, sure, Qaddafi is a military dictator, but so what? I mean, a lot of the worst leaders in history were democratically elected, and some of the best ones weren't. I thought we weren't a nation of meddlers and nation builders.

Now if you want a real loon, Kim Jong Il is a loon. There are a couple others out there, most not nearly as dangerous, some a little too dangerous for us to mess with.

Also, Syria. WTF? Syria is a communist country, cod war relic, but again, so what? It's not particularly a threat to anyone, including its own people, and neither is Libya.

This empire building seems to serve jacking up the price of oil, setting up military bases for more empire, and creating multi-national unions so we can spread currency domination of our already horridly corrupt banking system. And it's costing us trillions of dollars. Last I checked we were (count the mtg debt please, because Obama said that those bonds *are* govt. backed) which puts us now over 20 trillion. Do you have $20 trillion? No? Maybe we should let Libya sort out its own problems then.

Oh, and btw, from any liberal perspective, what kind of problem do you have with Qaddafi? Here's a guy who, for a leader of the muslim world, is been on the leading edge of women's rights and civil rights for blacks. I mean seriously, consider his peers. The aforementioned president of Iran is the only other muslim leader who comes to mind who believes that women and minorities are equals of arab men.

This is going to be like Iraq and Afghanistan. Not only will it drag on forever, but in the end you will have a fundamentalist islamic regime whose concept of human rights will be significantly behind that of the regime you've just displaced.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


DT, we have an accord. YAAARRR!

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Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Dt, I think the Iranian president _wants to be Hitler.

But yeah, as much as Qadaffi was Lani, there are much scarier people out there. But his people wanted him gone. But yeah, assassination is a way better option than war often times.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:39 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Libya and Syria: The story of civil war and regime transition

https://www.nationofchange.org/2020/09/07/libya-and-syria-the-story-of
-civil-war-and-regime-transition
/

Libyan families file U.S. lawsuit accusing LNA leader Haftar of war crimes
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-usa-lawsuit-idUSKBN2
5V2GA


UN-backed Libyan PM Sarrajā€™s mysterious resignation announcement
https://www.france24.com/en/20200918-un-backed-libyan-pm-sarraj-s-myst
erious-resignation

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Saturday, September 19, 2020 2:15 PM

REAVERFAN


I miss NIKI2. She was cool.

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Saturday, September 19, 2020 2:22 PM

THG


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Originally posted by reaverfan:

I miss NIKI2. She was cool.



Yes, agreed. Revisiting this thread though is just sigs way of changing the subject away from Trump.

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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