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Friday, December 12, 2008 3:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This Republican call for transparency from Obama is nauseating, given the current admin's secrecy
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"While it is encouraging that the president-elect has stated his office will disclose contacts with the scandal-ridden governor, it remains disappointing that his actions are in response to political pressure," Republican National Committee Chairman Robert M. "Mike" Duncan said. "Americans expect the highest degree of transparency from their elected leaders, rather than promises of openness on the campaign trail."


THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S SECRET WAYS
Refusal to appear before Congressional commissions, refusal to respond to subpoenas, refusal to testify under oath, deletion of WH emails and use of "outside" email services, actively working against the FOIA, claims of (nonexistant) "executive privilege"...
http://oversight.house.gov/features/secrecy_report/pdf/pdf_secrecy_rep
ort.pdf


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The White House on Friday defended Vice President Dick Cheney's decision not to cooperate with a government office charged with safeguarding national security information — and denied that Cheney ever suggested the agency be shut down.
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/23/politics/main2970772.shtml
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Bush, Cheney ordered Secret Service to keep visitor logs under wraps
WASHINGTON — A newly disclosed effort to keep Vice President Dick Cheney's visitor records secret is the latest White House push to make sure the public doesn't learn who has been meeting with top officials in the Bush administration.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003730831_webcheney
01.html

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Think, for example, about the fate of official records. Will they be removed or shredded to further obscure this administration’s doings? Nourished on secrecy from its inception, and carefully concealing many of its activities through the years, the Bush administration may be determined to make one last play for secrecy by taking its records and storing them in a Dallas warehouse, pending a Bush library. In these waning weeks, a group of us is locked in legal combat with Vice President Dick Cheney and his corps of unseen advisers, seeking an injunction to prevent them from leaving office with their e-mail records.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081129_bushs_11th_hour_bid_for_s
ecrecy/?ln

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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush, moving toward a constitutional showdown with Congress, asserted executive privilege Thursday and rejected lawmakers' demands for documents that could shed light on the firings of federal prosecutors.

http://digg.com/political_opinion/If_Bush_Rejected_Subpoena_That_Means
_All_Americans_Can_Reject_Subpoenas






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Friday, December 12, 2008 4:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


PLEASE. There is a real crime here, with ties directly to Obama. First, he talked w/ Gov Blagojevich about the vacant Senate seat, then he didn't, Rahm may or may not be on those FBI tapes, and we KNOW Rezko was buddy buddy with both Gov Blagojevich and Senator Obama.


Just come clean, it'll be better now if Obama doesn't wait.

No ' BS ' here, just sound, common sense advice.

No need to get all defensive, and all. Sheesh !



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Friday, December 12, 2008 4:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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There is a real crime here, with ties directly to Obama
Bull. Shit.

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Friday, December 12, 2008 11:05 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Touchy, touchy, when your god nears the kryptonite.
You need to thicken your skin, there will be gobs more scandals with your god involved, this ain't the only one, or the last.

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SignyM:
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There is a real crime here, with ties directly to Obama
Bull. Shit.

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Ok, let's break this down, in easy to understand bits.

1 - Oh, there was most definitely a crime.

2 - At the most casual, the appearance of impropriety weighs on the President - elect. At some level, someone at least TALKED to the Governor. Maybe not O himself, but someone.

3 - And what will you say if Rahm himself in on those tapes? At the very least, that's problematic for the new Chief of Staff.

Take a deep breath and face what's comin'.






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Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:58 AM

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I give it 50/50. Although I give the chances he was involved a bit more than that probably seeing as how I worked in politics in Illinois a decade ago and they only made things worse when they purged the Republicans and had nobody there to keep the Democrats in check.

The Republicans were just as guilty of crime as the Democrats, that is for sure.... the only difference being is that the Democrats have the public support for the most part... and most media outlets if you throw FOX out the window.

Obama is no less or no more a criminal than McCain is and likely no more or less a criminal than Bush is. I'll stop short of saying I told you so yet...

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:38 AM

WHOZIT


That was then, this is now. Bush and his administration will soon be history, but Barry and the boys (and girls ) are just getting started. Barry's fillty whores in the press are still doing there best to cover his ass, but Barry is from one of the slimmiest places (politicaly) on the planet. With the Republicans out of power, and whorehouses (newspapers) going out of buisiness, you libs better learn to play defence real fast. Soon your own bitches in the press are going to turn on you to save there own reps.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by whozit:
That was then, this is now. Bush and his administration will soon be history, but Barry and the boys (and girls ) are just getting started. Barry's fillty whores in the press are still doing there best to cover his ass, but Barry is from one of the slimmiest places (politicaly) on the planet. With the Republicans out of power, and whorehouses (newspapers) going out of buisiness, you libs better learn to play defence real fast. Soon your own bitches in the press are going to turn on you to save there own reps.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin



That sentiment isn't helping me sleep any better at night either.

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I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin


Heh... anybody else think it's funny that 15 years down the road maybe, he'll have to explain to some person at some point why he signed about 5000 posts of his quoting a guy about having sex with a bagle. Man.... you're going to wish this was one of those sites that change your signature on every post after you change yours......
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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And what will you say if Rahm himself in on those tapes? At the very least, that's problematic for the new Chief of Staff.
What I read was
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WASHINGTON — People who have been briefed on the Illinois governor corruption investigation say Barack Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel is not a target of the probe. Emanuel, a Chicago congressman who would have been a likely contact between the Obama transition office and Gov. Rod Blagojevich, has been a focus of media attention since Obama said Thursday he has asked for an internal review of contacts between his staff and Blagojevich. Emanuel has been refusing to answer questions about whether he's the "president-elect adviser" referred to in the criminal complaint that accuses Blagojevich of putting Obama's Senate seat up for sale. The complaint does not say that Blagojevich ever spoke to the unidentified Obama adviser about the Senate seat.

Also, Rahm is NOT the politician who tipped off Fitzgerald. So far, it seems as if Rahm had not much to do with it either way. But this is very early in the investigation so I'm prepared to wait and see

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by whozit:
That was then, this is now. Bush and his administration will soon be history, but Barry and the boys (and girls ) are just getting started. Barry's fillty whores in the press are still doing there best to cover his ass, but Barry is from one of the slimmiest places (politicaly) on the planet. With the Republicans out of power, and whorehouses (newspapers) going out of buisiness, you libs better learn to play defence real fast. Soon your own bitches in the press are going to turn on you to save there own reps.

Bitter much?

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I never said or even hinted that Rahm was the 'target' of the tapes, but I'm sure there's LOTS of different folks on those tapes, and only a tiny fraction of what the Feds have has been released. Why tis it taking DAYS for Obama to find out if anyone from his staff has talked to Gov Blago ? Barack should be able to pick up the phone, utter a command to anyone in his transition team that had contact w/ the Gov or his office to be on a list and that list is to be on Barack's desk at the end of the day. Make it happen. This ' days' crap is nothing more than a cover up, a stall for time. Dunno what for, but he's clearly draggin his feet for more time.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


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Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


it's not that simple. I've been involved in an agency lawsuit where we had to dig up ANY POSSIBLE contact with BPArco. I talk with or email hundreds of people in any given month. I have no idea whether "someone" from BPArco called up and asked for advice on how to do an analysis or needed assistance finding a relevant rule or definition. I had to go back thru my archived emails, I had to check my calendar and my work notes. It took a couple of weeks (in between doing other things, since I also have other work to do).

Applying the same standard (guilty until proven innocent) to Bush as you are to Obama, I would take Bush's refusal to testify alone, under oath b4 the 9-11 Commission as absolute proof that he had something to hide. Wouldn't you?

And why not?

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:09 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
That was then, this is now. Bush and his administration will soon be history, but Barry and the boys (and girls ) are just getting started. Barry's fillty whores in the press are still doing there best to cover his ass, but Barry is from one of the slimmiest places (politicaly) on the planet. With the Republicans out of power, and whorehouses (newspapers) going out of buisiness, you libs better learn to play defence real fast. Soon your own bitches in the press are going to turn on you to save there own reps.

Bitter much?

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Sure I'm bitter, Republicans took a bath this year. But Barry is badly handling this scandal, and I'm sure with the crowd he bringing in, (Chicago thugs and Clintonites) there'll be more scandals for you and yours to make excuces for. Get ready.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Sure I'm bitter, Republicans took a bath this year.
Okay, Whozit... but WHY did Republicans take a bath this year?

Nearly all Americans look to any administration for two things: to keep them, and their standard of living, safe. Once the fright of 9-11 died down (It shouldn't because terrorists are still targeting the USA, but that's another story.) and Iraq was determined not to have been the big bad boogeyman, attention inevitably turned to standard of living. The promise of "trickle down" capitalism is that the benefits of having a wealthy uberclass will eventually... er... trickle down. That didn't happen. The rich got a boatload richer, the middle class was buoyed up by housing speculation, and the poor got poorer. But the housing bubble burst and the slow decline that most people experienced over the past eight years turned into free-fall.

In addition, a lot of Republicans were disappointed in their own party: neither religious enough for the evangelicals nor fiscally conservative enough for the small-government Republicans, the current administration lost much of its own base.

It would be nice if you could get past this "my team versus your team" approach and look at what's good for the entire nation.

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:45 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Sure I'm bitter, Republicans took a bath this year.
Okay, Whozit... but WHY did Republicans take a bath this year?

Nearly all Americans looking to any administration for two things: to keep them, and their standard of living, safe. Once the fright of 9-11 died down (It shouldn't because terrorists are still targeting the USA, but that's another story.) and Iraq was determined not to have been the big bad boogeyman, attention inevitably turned to standard of living. The promise of "trickle down" capitalism is that the benefits of having a wealthy uberclass will eventually... er... trickle down. That didn't happen. The rich got a boatload richer, the middle class was buoyed up by housing speculation, and the poor got poorer. But the housing bubble burst and the slow decline that most people experienced over the past eight years turned into free-fall.

In addition, a lot of Republicans were disappointed in their own party: neither religious enough for the evangelicals nor fiscally conservative enough for the small-government Republicans, the current administration lost much of its own base.

It would be nice if you could get past this "my team versus your team" approach and look at what's good for the entire nation.

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OK, but I could say everything was niffty before the Democrats took control of the House & Senate in 04, but that is now water under the bridge. Next year Barry and his whores in the press will say that Barry inherited this mess, (it is true) but if he does'nt fix ASAP the honeymoon will be over sooner than you think. When the real attacks on Barry begin you'll say "unfair", I'll say "paybacks a bitch".

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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OK, but I could say everything was niffty before the Democrats took control of the House & Senate in 04, but that is now water under the bridge. Next year Barry and his whores in the press will say that Barry inherited this mess, (it is true) but if he does'nt fix ASAP the honeymoon will be over sooner than you think. When the real attacks on Barry begin you'll say "unfair", I'll say "paybacks a bitch".
Payback for what? For blaming Bush for what was clearly his fault?

Lookit, I'm not a dyed in the wool Dem. But when someone fucks up as badly and repeatedly as Bush .... well, it's kinda hard not to notice.

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:08 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by SignyM:
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OK, but I could say everything was niffty before the Democrats took control of the House & Senate in 04, but that is now water under the bridge. Next year Barry and his whores in the press will say that Barry inherited this mess, (it is true) but if he does'nt fix ASAP the honeymoon will be over sooner than you think. When the real attacks on Barry begin you'll say "unfair", I'll say "paybacks a bitch".
Payback for what? For blaming Bush for what was clearly his fault?

Lookit, I'm not a dyed in the wool Dem. But when someone fucks up as badly and repeatedly as Bush .... well, it's kind hard not to notice.

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Bush is not a crook, and the Washington press whores never showed him respect. He was selected not elected, he's stupid, he lied about WMD's, etc, etc, etc, but all that will be history real soon. Barry is like a pop star, he's hot now but he'll cool off soon enough, and when he does HE will get the grief Bush and the Repulicans are getting now, like I said, pay backs a bitch.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


In 30 years peeps are going to look back at the Bush admin as one giant clusterfuck. All administrations have their problems, and every administration screws up at least a couple of important things, but Bush will get an award.

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:32 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by SignyM:
In 30 years peeps are going to look back at the Bush admin as one giant clusterfuck. All administrations have their problems, and every administration screws up at least a couple of important things, but Bush will get an award.

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Perhaps, 30 years ago Carter was prez, "WORST PREZ EVER!" That fat drunk Ted Kennedy ran against him in 1980. Who knows, historins have warmed up to Truman and Nixon over the years, and cooled off to JFK and Johnson.

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Historians have warmed up to Truman and Nixon over the years, and cooled off to JFK and Johnson.
Like I said, every administration fucks up a few big ones. Johnson - for all that he tried to do for civil rights- dove into Vietnam with both feet and never got out. To hide th cost of the war he folded Social Security into the Federal budget. Carter, for all that he pushed "human rights", allied himself with the mujahideen and created a nightmare in Afghanistan. (Which led to the downfall of the USSR.)

Let me try a more balanced statement: Every President inherits problems from the previous President. Bush inherited several whoppers: Al Qaida, China trade, and foreign oil dependence. The dot.com bust was a relatively minor problem, but he inherited that too. OTOH, he inherited a Federal surplus, and the good will of MOST of the nations around the world.

So where are we now, compared to eight years ago?


BTW, it seems to me (observing economy over decades) that low interest rates lead to bubbles, irrespective of whether or not interest rates are "artificially" low (low even when the government is running a massive deficit) or "naturally" low (during times of Federal surplus). Bubbles seem to have little to do with Federal policy per se. I do not blame Bush for the housing bubble. All along, I said the cause was low interest rates.

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