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Star Trek TOS remastered / New movie discussion

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:04 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Actually I would like to see something where they DON'T try to tie it in with every show and storyline in some bizarre tapeworm loop, which they did try a few times and utterly failed each and every one - DS9 was supposed to be more backwater, and what they did with the wonderful opportunity to show the breaking the Vulcan stranglehold and rise of the Federation in Enterprise was almost criminal... cause, they'd prettymuch wrecked it already by going for fanservice over story, and blowing some part of the continuity via the ship itself somehow becoming strangely powerful despite it's inferior technology cause god forbid our mighty little heros lose a round or two...
*eyeroll*

You know what I'd like to see ?
A decidedly non-Federation POV, either Klingons...
(which'd be tricky cause of the makeup/SFX expense, you'd have to set the hook quick to avoid being cancelled)

Or the Maquis, which imop would be an awesome story cause you can use the Federation as occasional bad guys, sometimes benefactors, and shade it with tons of moral ambiguity in a story that ALREADY has a known arc, but no development of the stories of the people and events during that period of time, which could be set to the background of the escalating events to which they were primarily annoyed bystanders.

You also needn't use the same cast, but set each story as a set piece, told from the POV of those involved, yet overlapping other events and with the main arc as base - cause there's LOTS of stories in that tiny little verse.

Call it "Star Trek: Tales of the Maqui" and run it on a string budget, other than the pilot ep (TM01/02 - a plague on both your houses), cause after that the Maqui didn't HAVE jack shit to need props for, really.

And you can use many bits of existing props and even perhaps recycled footage of events that DID happen during that time frame.

And leave time travel, retcons and overpowering the supposed good guys into freakin mary sues the hell out of it for once, people have flaws, you know ?

Let's see the dark side of the Federation for once, in the viewpoint of the folk they hung out to dry - now that'd actually be *interesting*, wouldn't it ?

-Frem

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:18 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Let's see the dark side of the Federation for once, in the viewpoint of the folk they hung out to dry -

Wasn't that "Insurrection"?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:27 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Insurrection coulda been, but they woulda needed a better editor... with a chainsaw.

There were a lot of scenes in that so obviously padded in to assauge actor egos that were so BAD they blew suspension of disbelief totally and threw you out of the story with this jarring feeling of "why am I watching this, again?"

Stuff that BELONGED on the cutting room floor.

-F

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:37 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
threw you out of the story with this jarring feeling

Didn't throw ME out of the story. And my Son says it was great & had a good story- SO THERE!!!

Hey look- slow day at the office:



The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:37 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


Let's see the dark side of the Federation for once, in the viewpoint of the folk they hung out to dry - now that'd actually be *interesting*, wouldn't it ?

-Frem




what about the section 31 eps of ds9 ?




" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:54 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I'd like to chime in on two topics.

1) The new ship - it suffers from what I call 'The Jetsons Effect.' It looks like someone trying to imagine what the future would look like, instead of someone trying to live in the future. Remember 60's era futuristic chic? It's a vision of the future that doesn't endure. The original series had ships that didn't really look like anyone thought ships should look... and that ended up enduring better than the Lost In Space flying saucer, even while incorporating a similar element. In the modern age, BSG succeeded in having that 'lived in future' look, as did our very own Firefly. It's a hard trick, creating a future that IS the future instead of a future lookalike. I'm not sure what makes a success, but I know it when I see it.

1B) As an aside, when I think of the future, it often looks like the 80's to me. I think this is because while I was born in the 70's, I grew up in the 80's. The 80's seemed like a time when we were hurtling headfirst into tomorrow in a tangible way. Personal Computers, Space Shuttles, Vulcan Cannons, Harrier Jumpjets, Satellite based laser weapons, Corporates in suits and shades, polymer firearms. It all felt like tomorrow, today.


2) The Trek episode that most connected with me as a 'realistic' episode. It was DS9. "In the Pale Moonlight." Desperate to force the Romulans into the Alliance, Sisko fabricated evidence of a Dominion plot. Then, when that didn't work, he allowed the Romulan Ambassador to be assassinated, and the Dominion implicated. He was emotionally troubled by this, but finally accepted it as a necessary evil. It is the only time I really remember a Federation Officer Hero character behaving in a Machiavellian fashion.

2B) The episode also gave us the most memorable three words ever uttered by a Romulan:



--Anthony




"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:48 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I'd like to chime in on two topics.

1) The new ship - it suffers from what I call 'The Jetsons Effect.' It looks like someone trying to imagine what the future would look like, instead of someone trying to live in the future. Remember 60's era futuristic chic? It's a vision of the future that doesn't endure. The original series had ships that didn't really look like anyone thought ships should look... and that ended up enduring better than the Lost In Space flying saucer, even while incorporating a similar element. In the modern age, BSG succeeded in having that 'lived in future' look, as did our very own Firefly. It's a hard trick, creating a future that IS the future instead of a future lookalike. I'm not sure what makes a success, but I know it when I see it.

1B) As an aside, when I think of the future, it often looks like the 80's to me. I think this is because while I was born in the 70's, I grew up in the 80's. The 80's seemed like a time when we were hurtling headfirst into tomorrow in a tangible way. Personal Computers, Space Shuttles, Vulcan Cannons, Harrier Jumpjets, Satellite based laser weapons, Corporates in suits and shades, polymer firearms. It all felt like tomorrow, today.


2) The Trek episode that most connected with me as a 'realistic' episode. It was DS9. "In the Pale Moonlight." Desperate to force the Romulans into the Alliance, Sisko fabricated evidence of a Dominion plot. Then, when that didn't work, he allowed the Romulan Ambassador to be assassinated, and the Dominion implicated. He was emotionally troubled by this, but finally accepted it as a necessary evil. It is the only time I really remember a Federation Officer Hero character behaving in a Machiavellian fashion.

2B) The episode also gave us the most memorable three words ever uttered by a Romulan:



--Anthony




"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner





My personal favorite ep





" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson


Lets party like its 1939

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