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New "Doctor Who" trailer
Saturday, December 9, 2017 11:31 AM
WHOZIT
Monday, December 11, 2017 6:45 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Monday, December 11, 2017 5:01 PM
IMNOTHERE
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: I'm sure the first words spoken by the new Who will be, "Do you know how to fly this thing?"
Monday, December 11, 2017 6:03 PM
MOOSE
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I thought the next Dr. Who was a woman? Was that just an internet hoax? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:27 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Thursday, December 14, 2017 12:55 AM
Thursday, December 14, 2017 6:14 AM
Friday, December 15, 2017 7:50 AM
Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:49 AM
Quote: It's something I've always considered watching from the very beginning one day.
Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The next Doctor IS a woman , and I'm surprised there was nothing shown about " her " in the trailer. Absolutely stupid and ridiculous path they've chosen.
Sunday, December 17, 2017 7:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by IMNOTHERE: Quote: It's something I've always considered watching from the very beginning one day. Since it originally ran from 1963-1989 and the 2005- version is a continuation, not a reboot, that would make re-watching Game of Thrones pretty trivial by comparison :-) That said, its probably easier to pick up part-way through than GoT... since the show is older than VCRs (and chunks of the show from the 60s have been lost) those of us who are under 60 managed to muddle through somehow!
Monday, December 18, 2017 11:36 PM
Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:32 PM
Friday, December 22, 2017 8:25 AM
Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:51 AM
Monday, December 25, 2017 10:48 PM
Tuesday, December 26, 2017 4:33 PM
GWEK
Tuesday, December 26, 2017 5:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by GWEK: At the risk of getting sucked into the political part of this conversation, "appropriation" is exactly the wrong term. This is actually the opposite. But that's neither here nor there. If The Doctor is a woman or James Bond is black, so what? I mean, as long as the stories are good.
Quote: "Timeless" characters like Bond and The Doctor and comic book characters are recast, rebooted, and re-imagining all the time. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
Quote: Let's look at James Bond as a theoretical example. He's been played by three Englishmen, an Irishman, a guy from Scotland, another one from Wales, an Australian and an American. His age and appearance have shifted through the decades, and if we consider him as a single individual who has been in constant service to the Crown, he's over 100 years old.
Quote: There are two ways to interpret James Bond: either he's a single individual (in which case his story essentially makes no consistent sense) or he's actually a series of individuals taking on the assignment of "James Bond, 007," in which case, why couldn't be be black? Or Asian? Or once again American or Australian?
Quote: Now, I would say that makes James Bond a WOMAN might be a bit problematic, because his (for lack of a better term) "maleness" has always been an integral part of the character, no matter the actor or interpretation. But beyond that, as long as the writing is good, does it matter?
Quote: (Having said that, Trevor Noah has a good bit on why, even though he loves Idris Elba, he shouldn't be Bond: because most of the places Bond goes are full of white guys, and he's stand out as the obvious spy, an inversion of the clever opening moments of Vin Diesel's xXx.)
Quote: On The Doctor... Yes, the role has always been a male up to now, but, once again, we're looking at a character who has been interpreted and reimagined multiple times across generations. Within that time, he's just age and appearance time and time again in a way that defies categorization or expectation. Do we have any reason to believe that, with enough reincarnations, The Doctor WOULDN'T become a woman? (Or for that matter, black or Asian or Australian or - God forbid! - American?) Caveat: I have been a loyal fan of the show since it's return a decade or so again, but any and all efforts to attempt to watch the earlier incarnations have been met with boredom and slumber. With that in mind, there may be something in the earlier versions that long-timers can point to. A lot of the enjoyment of this current interpretation of Doctor Who is the interplay between The Doctor du jour and the Companion(s) du jour, as well as the tension of the current status quo vs the previous. Sometimes it works great. Sometimes, not so much. If this particular interation works well, who cares? And if it doesn't work well, that's not because The Doctor happens to be female. It will be the fault of bad writing or casting.
Tuesday, December 26, 2017 10:36 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The companion doesn't need to be a smokin' hot girl. Or even a cute girl. But the writing will , as always , be the key. I just think it's a cop out. A surrender to the nonsense of today's " fluid " gender fad. Over all, I think it hurts the franchise because of 12 prior versions and 50 + years of established back stories and episodes. I don't mind a female time lord, in her own TARDIS. Just not going to be a fan of her being THE Doctor. Never.
Tuesday, December 26, 2017 11:04 PM
Wednesday, December 27, 2017 11:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by GWEK: If The Doctor is a woman or James Bond is black, so what? I mean, as long as the stories are good. No, not " so what ? ". It matters. 50 years of building a brand , an image, of something which has become to be known to stand for something, and in an instant, that's been hijacked.
Quote:Originally posted by GWEK: If The Doctor is a woman or James Bond is black, so what? I mean, as long as the stories are good.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: We already know the Doctor is NOT the last of the Timelords. So why the hell not just introduce a way for another to escape, this time a woman? Honestly, how freaking hard is that ?
Quote: Bond was crafted after a specific individual. He wasn't black, or gay, nor was he a she. That's the POINT!
Quote: It doesn't prohibit that any of those - gay, black, female, dwarf, trans... could ALSO be their own brand of "00" agent. In fact, it's a sad shortcut to appropriate / steal / over write, what ever works best for you, another established character just to appease the whims of a lazy current culture.
Quote:All white males, btw. After the original real life individual who the character was created.
Quote: Quote: (Having said that, Trevor Noah has a good bit on why, even though he loves Idris Elba, he shouldn't be Bond: because most of the places Bond goes are full of white guys, and he's stand out as the obvious spy, an inversion of the clever opening moments of Vin Diesel's xXx.) Exactly my point !! Thank you !
Quote: The companion doesn't need to be a smokin' hot girl. Or even a cute girl. But the writing will , as always , be the key. I just think it's a cop out. A surrender to the nonsense of today's " fluid " gender fad. Over all, I think it hurts the franchise because of 12 prior versions and 50 + years of established back stories and episodes.
Quote: I don't mind a female time lord, in her own TARDIS. Just not going to be a fan of her being THE Doctor. Never.
Wednesday, December 27, 2017 2:36 PM
Quote: By your strict interpretation, James Bond should have been retired long ago. And should only have been played by Sean Connery. That's clearly not going to happen. How do you explain that today's James Bond is the same age, if not younger than, the James Bond of 50 years ago? You can't.
Thursday, December 28, 2017 5:54 AM
Thursday, December 28, 2017 1:29 PM
ECGORDON
There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.
Thursday, December 28, 2017 5:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by ecgordon: This is one of the reasons I haven't posted here in a long time, and probably won't much in the future either. Too many butt-hurt conservatives who can't stand a little change in their life. And even when the poster is more liberal like myself, I don't always agree with their position either, especially when they make the same type of ad hominem attacks. I'm not going to do anyone's homework for them, but if I cared to I could search and provide links to articles that were published back in the early 80s when Tom Baker was leaving the show. Both he and the BBC said they were considering a change to a woman, and Baker said he thought it was a good idea. I'm sure if they had, there would have been even more of a backlash then than now.
Quote: I haven't seen The Last Jedi yet, so haven't been reading those threads, but I have seen other places where there's been a lot of whinging about the SJW agenda. Without details about the film, I'm still convinced I'll think those arguments are utter bullshit too.
Quote: Jodie Whitaker is a very good actress, and I don't doubt she will do credit to the role. I hope all viewers give her a chance, just as every new actor to the role deserves a chance. I'm certainly looking forward to it, and I wish we didn't have to wait so long. Still no word on when her first episode will air. ETA: I'd welcome anything Idris Elba cares to do, even James Bond.
Thursday, December 28, 2017 8:11 PM
Thursday, December 28, 2017 11:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by ecgordon: Okay, I apologize for the "butt-hurt" remark, that was inappropriate. But that doesn't mean I agree you have a valid and well thought out point. "It's never been this way, I don't want it to change, so it shouldn't change" is not valid or well thought out. It's petty.
Quote: Hell, forget about Idris Elba, I'd like to see a woman take on the role of Jane Bond. There is no valid argument against that being a good idea. James Bond is a fictional character, it doesn't matter who he was based on. A woman could be just as action-oriented, and ruthless, as a male Bond. And I believe Jodie Whitaker will prove that The Doctor can be a woman, and excel at it. If she doesn't work out, I'll be willing to admit it.
Friday, December 29, 2017 7:52 AM
Friday, December 29, 2017 8:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm not a Conservative. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, December 29, 2017 1:22 PM
Friday, December 29, 2017 6:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: At least he didn't call me Alt-Right or a Nazi. I think it's funny how the Left has gotten so bad in the last 10 years that I agree with you on more things these days Rap. I don't recall us seeing eye to eye on much back in 2007. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, December 30, 2017 7:42 AM
Saturday, December 30, 2017 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Because he's not. He's one CHARACTER, and that person happens to be a white male. Doesn't keep a black lesbian from being ANOTHER " 00 " agent, full of her own brand of awesome, clever quirks, skills, etc...
Saturday, December 30, 2017 7:26 PM
Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:55 PM
Sunday, December 31, 2017 3:13 PM
Monday, January 1, 2018 2:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The only reason regeneration of the Doctor even became a thing in the first place is that William Hartnell was getting up in age, and the producers of the show didn't want the series to just end. It was an after thought,
Tuesday, January 2, 2018 7:53 AM
Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by IMNOTHERE: However, a fantasy show in which the main character gets a new body every couple of years really does beg the question of "why always the same gender and race"...
Tuesday, January 2, 2018 8:53 PM
Thursday, January 4, 2018 5:14 PM
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