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Alan Tudyk possible DUI

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 2:55 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Say it ain't so Wash.

Not Cool.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/30/dodgeball-alan-tudyk-dui-firefly-chp-lan
d-cruiser-speeding/#comments-anchor


I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Yes We Did!




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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 3:21 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Having been married to an alcoholic who was arrested 3 times, I have ZERO tolerance for people not responsible enough to drink and NOT drive.

I am hoping it didn't happen.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 4:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Three sheets to the wind without a leaf? C'mon Alan.








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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 4:46 AM

ZEEK


Yeah definitely not cool if true.

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:22 AM

TVCHICK


Results of the blood test aren't back yet, so let's hope he wasn't drunk (or on something).

In other news, I have to go take another shower. I feel so DIRTY having clicked & read an article from TMZ. *shudder*

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:38 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by TVChick:
Results of the blood test aren't back yet, so let's hope he wasn't drunk (or on something).

In other news, I have to go take another shower. I feel so DIRTY having clicked & read an article from TMZ. *shudder*



Agree with you on TMZ - crashed my browser, not going to try again.

Hope Alan is doing ok - he's got to feel like sh*t no matter what right now, thank gawd no one was hurt.

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:19 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Wash for President!

Quote:



"There's a report out tonight that 24-years ago I was apprehended in Kennebunkport, Maine, for a DUI. That's an accurate story. I'm not proud of that. I oftentimes said that years ago I made some mistakes. I occasionally drank too much and I did on that night. I was pulled over. I admitted to the policeman that I had been drinking. I paid a fine. And I regret that it happened. But it did. I've learned my lesson."
—President George W. Bush, CNN Larry King Live, November 2, 2000
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html



Or President of Vice...

Quote:

"I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend."
-Vice President Dick Cheney, Fox News
youtube.com/watch?v=pR7CH9zvD6s

Dick Cheney's 2 DUI arrests and convictions
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html
http://gaduiblog.com/category/dui-arrests-that-made-the-news/top-50-du
i-arrests-of-all-time
/



Rules for Drivers during traffic stops:

1. Never confess to drinking even 1 sip of alcohol (that's called a CONFESSION = sucker alert)
2. never admit to eating dinner at a restaurant that serves alcohol
3. never speak to cops since "odor of alcohol" does not exist
4. never volunteer for Field Sobriety Tests that have no passing score and there is no punishment for refusal (sucker alert)
5. never volunteer for breath alcohol tests where the failing score is 0.00% or above and such tests cannot even measure alcohol (scam alert). A person is already under arrest for DUI before an alcohol test is given (scam alert), and charges are never dismissed against innocent people for risk of being sued for false arrest (scam alert).

Alan Tudyk didn't read Rule #4, and probably Rules 1,2,3.

BTW there is no law against drinking and driving.

Quote:

"A driver can register a BAC of 0.00% and still be convicted of a DUI. The level of BAC does not clear a driver when it is below the 'presumed level of intoxication.'"
-TN Driver License Study Guide, The Prohibition Times

THE PROHIBITION TIMES
America's Secret History of the Current Prohibition of Alcohol
A Responsible Driver's Survival Guide
www.piratenews.org/theprohibitiontimes.html



At least the TMZ headline wasn't "Firefly Serenity Star Busted for DUI".


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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:24 PM

STORYMARK


We don't need the input of our resident drunk driveing idiot, PN. Thanks.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:33 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

Having been married to an alcoholic who was arrested 3 times, I have ZERO tolerance for people not responsible enough to drink and NOT drive.



Not everyone is an alcoholic, but cops treat everyone as an alcoholic.

The proper cure for a disease is not jail, where many "alcoholics" die from diabetic shock. Most "alcoholics" are diabetics, self-medicating with alcohol (fermented sugar).

Too bad "rehab" increases risk of alcoholism, addiction, OD and suicide, due to quackery.

Car crashes kill 40,000/year in USA. Doctors kill over 10-million/year in USA...

Alcoholism = Bad

Police State = GENOCIDE

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 4:40 PM

INVADERCHAT


How many of the ten million that doctors 'kill' are people that were DUI and they simply couldn't save?

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Tuesday, February 1, 2011 8:26 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Yeah, I heard about this yesterday morning at my local browncoat group site, Totally not cool as previously mentioned. I hope the blood tests come back normal. But if they don't, I don't believe celebrities, no matter how cool the charactors they play are, should get special treatment in regards to rules/laws. But again I hope they're wrong about the DUI

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, February 2, 2011 12:47 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Yeah, I heard about this yesterday morning at my local browncoat group site, Totally not cool as previously mentioned. I hope the blood tests come back normal. But if they don't, I don't believe celebrities, no matter how cool the charactors they play are, should get special treatment in regards to rules/laws. But again I hope they're wrong about the DUI

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya




Word.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Yes We Did!




“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, February 2, 2011 1:22 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:


The proper cure for a disease is not jail



Just for being an alcoholic, no.

But when they CHOOSE to get behind the wheel impaired, that is EXACTLY where they belong.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 6:08 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Gahr...



Odds are pretty long that he wasn't driving impaired via some substance. I hope it's just barely over the limit, he gets the sh*t scared out of him, and he never does anything this stupid ( on the road ) again.

C'mon Alan, you're better than this !


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:06 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I just hope it doesn't turn out that he was coming from a party at Nathan's.



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Saturday, February 5, 2011 3:46 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


This is all standard bulls**t. If he hadn't been speeding (oooooh, such a problem- no good citizen ever does THAT)he wouldn't have been pulled over. If he hadn't been just a bit buzzed, just a speeding ticket.

But, in this 'Demolition Man' ultra PC land we live in, in this land where bad drivers & bad drivers who drink kill 10,000 times the number of peeps that good drivers who are technically 'drunk' do, the label DUI rules.
How about DWP (driving while pissed)?
Or DWO (driving when old)?
Or DUIPM (driving under the influence of pain medication)?
Or DWS (driving while sleepy)?
Or DUALBOTIWALBW (driving under a little bit of the influence with a low body weight)?

This is such a non/deflective issue.

Nail BAD drivers!!! Road ragers, true drunks, near blind drivers, careless jerk*ffs!!!
Not celebrities that had 2 martinis before driving home.

Now Alan will get to pay civil fines, pay for driving instruction, pay higher insurance... it's all really about PAYING.

This Alliance mentality pisses me the hell off.





The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, February 5, 2011 3:52 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I just hope it doesn't turn out that he was coming from a party at Nathan's.



LOL!!!


The laughing Chrisisall


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Saturday, February 5, 2011 4:22 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


C'mon Alan, you're better than this !




Hey AU, check this out:
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/01/26/report-officer-killed-in-cras
h-was-speeding
/

Quote:

An investigative report concludes that a Baltimore police officer who died when his cruiser crashed into the back of a fire truck was speeding.

Oh, but was he DRUNK?
No.
He was looking at at nearby film crew as he passed.
He was a BAD DRIVER.

Alan didn't HIT anything. He wasn't even driving erratically (people tend to drive like they walk;
fast is better than incompetent).

So, now he's somehow a person who can be a better one than a gorram POLICE OFFICER, eh?

You sociologically programmed tool.

No offense.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:53 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is all standard bulls**t. If he hadn't been speeding (oooooh, such a problem- no good citizen ever does THAT)he wouldn't have been pulled over. If he hadn't been just a bit buzzed, just a speeding ticket.

But, in this 'Demolition Man' ultra PC land we live in, in this land where bad drivers & bad drivers who drink kill 10,000 times the number of peeps that good drivers who are technically 'drunk' do, the label DUI rules.
How about DWP (driving while pissed)?
Or DWO (driving when old)?
Or DUIPM (driving under the influence of pain medication)?
Or DWS (driving while sleepy)?
Or DUALBOTIWALBW (driving under a little bit of the influence with a low body weight)?

This is such a non/deflective issue.

Nail BAD drivers!!! Road ragers, true drunks, near blind drivers, careless jerk*ffs!!!
Not celebrities that had 2 martinis before driving home.

Now Alan will get to pay civil fines, pay for driving instruction, pay higher insurance... it's all really about PAYING.

This Alliance mentality pisses me the hell off.





The laughing Chrisisall





Well, he WAS doing 40 in a 25 MPH. I speed all the time, but not in a 25MPH zone. That's just stupid. Plus, he did refuse the breathalyzer and failed the field sobriety. Would he have been pulled over had he not been speeding? Probably not, but he now has to face the consequences. I hope he was speeding and tired. If he was speeding and drunk driving then that will be a great disappointment. I don't expect people to be perfect, but I do expect them not to drink and drive.

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 7:55 AM

PIRATENEWS

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New thread
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=47473&m=830939#830939

Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

Well, he WAS doing 40 in a 25 MPH. I speed all the time, but not in a 25MPH zone. That's just stupid. Plus, he did refuse the breathalyzer and failed the field sobriety.



Alcohol overdose is a depressant and slows thinking and reaction time. Thus speeding is proof of sobriety.

Low dose of alcohol is a stimulant and improves thinking and reaction time, thus improving safety.

Speeding is SIX TIMES SAFER than driving a speed limit, according to USDOT and Ralph Nader.

99.99% of speed limits are illegal and invalid, according to USDOT and all state legislatures, for lack of a traffic engineering survey speed audit to measure the 85th Percentile Speed of traffic.

Driving 212 mph on the German Autobahn highway in commuter traffic at night in the rain is safer than driving 55 mph on a US interstate, according to History Channel.
www.http://americanautobahn.com
http://americanautobahn.piratenews.org

BTW 100% of drivers speed every day they drive, which is a criminal crime punishable by arrest and 30 days in jail. Does that sound right to you?

Quote:

"One hundred forty years ago, the Royal Society in England warned against the railroads, claiming that at speeds over 30 miles per hour, the air supply to the passenger compartment would be cut off and people would die from asphyxiation. And the college of physicians in Munich, for its part, warned that at 30 mph, travelers would suffer headaches, vertigo and possible lose their sight because of a blurring effect. Over 30 mph great catastrophies were predicted, because everyone knew that even a twig would shatter the wheels."
-Jules Burgman, ABC News, NASA Langley Research Center, The Impact of Science on Society, NASA SP-482, NASA Scientific and Technical Information Branch, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, 1985
http://history.nasa.gov/sp482.pdf

"There is no speed limit on the Autobahn. Before pulling into the left lane to pass, check the rear view mirror very carefully as far back as you can see. Cars traveling at 160-180 km per hour approach suddenly, so when passing, do so quickly and then quickly return to the right lane. WARNING: Do NOT admit any guilt. Do NOT sign anything unless you know exactly what you are signing. "
-US Embassy in Germany





Alan, call me if you want to live.
www.piratenews.org/theprohibitiontimes.html

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 8:02 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Hey AU, check this out:
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/01/26/report-officer-killed-in-cras
h-was-speeding
/

Quote:

An investigative report concludes that a Baltimore police officer who died when his cruiser crashed into the back of a fire truck was speeding.



The cop wasn't killed by speeding, he was killed by the sudden stop without a seatbelt.

News today:


Deputy DoNutt crashes into house...GO VOLS!
http://dragonaters.blogspot.com/2011/02/knox-deputy-tickets-house-for-
crashing.html

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 10:08 AM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

Well, he WAS doing 40 in a 25 MPH. I speed all the time, but not in a 25MPH zone.

Was it at night? Who goes the speed limit when there are no other cars on the road? Heck, I don't even come to a complete stop at stop signs when I'm the only one on the road & I have a clear view in all directions.
Speed limits & stop signs are for the morons out there that would not otherwise drive in a reasonable way. Thanks to the law, we are all demoted to their level, all the time.

One more thing- if I ever lost a loved one to a drunk driver's bad driving, I certainly wouldn't join MADD or some other nonsense. The PERSON does the bad thing, not the alcohol. I'd kill the guy, not try to get booze banned. Get bad drivers off the road permanently, and you automatically solve the 'drinking & driving' problem.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

You sociologically programmed tool.

No offense.



No, I'm not. And I have no clue what's prompted your little hissy fit on this matter.

Other countries where drinking is much more acceptable by society don't have such as bad an issue w/ DUI as we do in the US.

It's because we say one thing, then do another, all the while we wink and nudge each other, with the implied message that"REAL" men can hold their liquor, get behind a wheel and probably drive better than when they're sober.

Complete and total. b.s.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:34 AM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
the implied message that"REAL" men can hold their liquor, get behind a wheel and probably drive better than when they're sober.


Ancient history IMO.
The real message is: have .000001% more alcohol in your system than law allows WHEN we inevitably pull you over for some little thing or other, and we got you by the wallet.

Getting s***faced & then driving all over the road is something a dope does, and dopes should not have a driver's license anyway- problem solved.


The hissy Chrissy


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Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


So, what was the verdict on Alan?

Quote:

A female passenger who was sober drove the Land Cruiser after the arrest, Smith said.



Now that just bites....




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 12:29 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


He had had 'a few beers'...
We must define 'few'. 3 or 4? No big deal. He IS a large, semi-muscular man. Forget it & get him for the speeding.
12 or 13? Say bye to the license, says I.





The harsh Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 6, 2011 6:59 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I think that if Alan was over the legal driving limit for alcohol then he should be punished like anyone else, I still hope he wasn't but that is neither here nor there. Celebrities are human, they make the same mistakes as everyone else, and should be punished in the same ways as everyone else.


"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 7:11 PM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
I think that if Alan was over the legal driving limit for alcohol then he should be punished like anyone else

The 'legal limit' is a degree set by suits for political & economic reasons. It, like many other laws, does not take individual differences into account.
It's very ALLIANCE that way, you see.
Individuality takes a back seat to broad, sweeping rules, that, BTW, do not include our rule-MAKERS or enforcers.

Chew on that, why doncha?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 6, 2011 7:45 PM

SHEPHERD_RICK

"You don't fix faith, River. It fixes you."


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
The 'legal limit' is a degree set by suits for political & economic reasons. It, like many other laws, does not take individual differences into account.
It's very ALLIANCE that way, you see.



Very surprised to read this. The limit set was the lower limit for when people begin to become impaired.

If reports are true: He failed a field sobriety test, and the police were doing right to arrest him.

In my state, failure to submit to breathalyzer means one year suspension of driver's license. This is one of those instances where it is of greater benefit to all, including the impaired driver, to err on the side of caution because of the potentially lethal results. Most DUI offenders who cause an accident (not even a fatality) regret their decision tremendously when sober.

Having individual freedom does not exempt one from responsibility, nor from obeying established rules. It's anarchy which does that, and it is very bad.

Shepherd Rick

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 7:57 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
does not take individual differences into account.


Right, except for body mass.

I, for example, am easily over the limit on a glass and a half of wine. My friend Richard, being a tall man with plenty of muscle, takes considerably more to get drunk. He's probably not over the limit until his fifth scotch. So he gets to drink more than me before he's impaired. He'd still be impaired.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Sunday, February 6, 2011 9:38 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Okay, so some here feel the current rules are unfair, what substitute rules would you have if you could choose? I'm not asking this to be a snot, I'm seriously asking since people are expressing distaste for the current rules. I personally think that the current rules make sense, its hard to weigh everyone you pull over, then again I guess you could and then do a calculation. Like I said I don't mind the current rules, I think they're fine, but what alternatives are there that you can think of?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 7, 2011 4:57 AM

ZEEK


I don't mind the rules at all. If you're even close to impaired you shouldn't be driving. It's a choice and everyone should err on the side of safety or they shouldn't be driving IMO. Alan chose poorly and I've lost a lot of respect for him. He put other people's lives on the line for his choice to drink. That's not cool in any manner. He failed the sobriety test meaning he was showing signs of impairment. Not cool at all. There's simply no excuse.

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Monday, February 7, 2011 6:13 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Okay, so some here feel the current rules are unfair, what substitute rules would you have if you could choose?
SNIP



Years ago Road & Track magazine did an article proposing a two-tiered penalty system for impaired driving.
They proposed that the person who realized they had too much to drink, drove slowly and as close to carefully as they could, and weren't belligerent if pulled over; shouldn't be penalized the same as the the belligerent loud-mouth going 70 miles an hour while loudly proclaiming that he/she drives BETTER when drunk.

The benefits of such a system would be three fold.
First, you separate out the occasional, mistaken impaired driver from the habitual, personality disorder drunk driver.
Second, you offer an incentive for those who choose to drive impaired to do so with the least risk.
Three, you don't destroy the lives of those connected to the one-time offender who was unlucky enough to be caught. Nothing like the system taking a month or two of a family's earnings to send a ripple effect of destruction from a single bad decision.
Hopefully reason two, (impaired drivers would slow it down to minimze risk and penalty), reduces danger to others on the road.

Obviously, a repeat offender moves into the higher risk category at some point, regardless of how meek the impaired driving style.

I found it to be a common sense approach, but unlikely in today's "lawyered-up" society.

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Monday, February 7, 2011 6:18 AM

ZEEK


I don't like that approach at all. You're saying people who know they're impaired and still choose to drive should get rewarded for trying? If you knowingly drive impaired you should lose your license. I have no sympathy for that. If you know you're impaired then wait until you sober up or call a cab. Neither of those will kill you. Driving might.

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Monday, February 7, 2011 6:23 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


I agree. "I know I am drunk but I am going to drive anyway". That is just stupid. A slow drunk driver can run somebody over just as dead. It also shows distinct lack of responsibility.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Yes We Did!




“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Monday, February 7, 2011 7:12 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE


All hail the mighty Alliance!
You're making better worlds, all of them, better worlds.
Worlds...without sin.
Little perfect people going about their little perfect lives; no risk to themselves or others.
With the government, through fines and imprisonment ensuring that no one steps out of line.

Independents? Browncoats?
Only in front of the TV, I guess...

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Monday, February 7, 2011 7:14 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
All hail the mighty Alliance!
You're making better worlds, all of them, better worlds.
Worlds...without sin.
Little perfect people going about their little perfect lives; no risk to themselves or others.
With the government, through fines and imprisonment ensuring that no one steps out of line.

Independents? Browncoats?
Only in front of the TV, I guess...



That is such a pile of shit. Because some of us think people should be responsible for their actions?

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

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Yes We Did!




“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Monday, February 7, 2011 7:45 AM

STORYMARK


Anyone else who reads these complaints about drunk driving laws have trouble imagining the posters as anything but sloppy drunks now?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, February 7, 2011 7:46 AM

ZEEK


People can put them self at risk all they want as far as I'm concerned. It's when they put others at risk that I have a problem.

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Monday, February 7, 2011 8:01 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
All hail the mighty Alliance!
You're making better worlds, all of them, better worlds.
Worlds...without sin.
Little perfect people going about their little perfect lives; no risk to themselves or others.
With the government, through fines and imprisonment ensuring that no one steps out of line.

Independents? Browncoats?
Only in front of the TV, I guess...



I'd suggest that the DUI issue not be the hill on which to die on when it comes to fighting the " making better worlds " battle. It's well with in expectation that the pubic road ways be traveled by as many able and capable drivers as possible. Sure, some 7 yr olds could drive better than some adults, but the odds won't be too favorable.
Same goes for driving impaired.

I think folks are getting a bit carried away here, because of their affection towards Alan, and ignoring the point. He may have done something stupid, that doesn't make him a stupid or bad guy.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, February 7, 2011 8:02 AM

BYTEMITE


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Having individual freedom does not exempt one from responsibility, nor from obeying established rules. It's anarchy which does that, and it is very bad.


That's chaos, not anarchy.

Anarchy just means without leadership. It doesn't mean without rules.

As for drunk driving, it goes back to the risk/choice morality theory.

One of the aspects of our society that's increasingly growing worse is that rights and privileges of one person increasingly come into conflict with another. You have a right to bear arms, but you don't have the right to brandish and freak out the norms. You have a right to use public property, including public roads for transportation, and you have a right to own a car, but it is not always a right to drive on them.

I won't comment on what's good and what's bad about legislating risk/choice on infringement on others rights, but I will say that it is regrettable that we can't seem to move an inch without causing some infringement, either to people who own guns or the people who are afraid of them; and to people who drink, and drive, or the other people who have to share the road with them.

In both cases I find it unfair to stigmatize one or the other unless their actions have resulted in measurable harm or damage. I suppose I don't deal in "what if" very often.

Alan's all right and no one was hurt. Thank goodness, and I hope he learns something from this.

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Monday, February 7, 2011 8:11 AM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
All hail the mighty Alliance!
You're making better worlds, all of them, better worlds.
Worlds...without sin.
Little perfect people going about their little perfect lives; no risk to themselves or others.
With the government, through fines and imprisonment ensuring that no one steps out of line.

Independents? Browncoats?
Only in front of the TV, I guess...



Yeah... I agree. See, most peeps get brainwashed. Two beers & you're a drunk driver. If you're Muslim, you're a terrorist sympathizer. It's all the same.
Individuality counts for nothing anymore.
But peeps driving who are really old & have much slower reaction time than a younger dude with a few beers in him- that's safe. That's acceptable.
Unless a public campaign starts up & rallies the masses to the new enlightened Government dictates.
Wow.
So, right now, it's okay if you're driving 'impaired,' as long as that impairment isn't caused by something currently frowned upon.

I guess we're on the losing side, Mike.



The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, February 7, 2011 9:28 AM

ZEEK


Last I checked aging wasn't a choice.

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Monday, February 7, 2011 9:33 AM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Last I checked aging wasn't a choice.

Zeek, that is SO not the point.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, February 7, 2011 9:45 AM

ZEEK


The choice to drink and drive is very much the point IMO. I didn't lose respect for Alan because his reaction time isn't off the charts. I lost respect for him because he made an unnecessary choice that put other people in danger.

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Monday, February 7, 2011 9:53 AM

CHRISISALL

Down the centuries you have slurred the meaning of the words, WE THE PEOPLE...


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
he made an unnecessary choice that put other people in danger.

See, THIS is the point.
You KNOW for a fact people were in danger.
You KNOW it because you are conditioned to know it.
No, George Bush did what I quoted from you above, I see no evidence that Alan did any such thing.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, February 7, 2011 9:58 AM

RIONAEIRE

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I think I'll stick with our current driving under the influence rules. As I said before, they're fine and designed to discourage a very bad choice, to drive while impaired, which is really dangerous and can hurt and kill people needlessly. I don't fancy the alternatives put forth, I'm sticking with the current rules.

I care about charactors, not so much actors. Alan made a mistake, we're all human, he needs to experience the consequences for his mistake as anyone else would. The fact that he chose to do this is disappointing, but no more disappointing to me than if anyone else chooses to do it. With rights come responsabilities.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 7, 2011 10:02 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


No Chris... any time a person imbibes in alcohol and then operates a vehicle weighing a couple of tons or more on the open road....that's not a matter of being 'conditioned' to know anything, it's simply human physiology and chemistry.

There's no defense here, what so ever.

Alan F'd up. Deal w/ it and move on.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, February 7, 2011 10:04 AM

STORYMARK


Never, ever did I expect to find myself siding with AuRaptor against Chris....

EVER.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, February 7, 2011 10:04 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
he made an unnecessary choice that put other people in danger.

See, THIS is the point.
You KNOW for a fact people were in danger.
You KNOW it because you are conditioned to know it.
No, George Bush did what I quoted from you above, I see no evidence that Alan did any such thing.


It's not conditioning it's simple logic. Alan was impaired. Alan was operating a dangerous piece of heavy machinery. Alan does not have any mystical ability to know if there will be other drivers on the road or not. So, yes he was putting other people in danger or at least he was willing to put them in danger.

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