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Jubal's ship...

POSTED BY: AGEHN
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 9, 2004 10:46
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Saturday, September 25, 2004 3:17 PM

AGEHN


That is an extremely expensive looking ship. Why again did they just let it float away?

By the way, since it's Jubal's ship and it apperently has an autopilot (correcting course when nudged), maybe it went back and picked up Jubal through the use of some sort of homing beacon and he's still out there somewhere? Makes as much sense as any other theory I've heard about what happened to the ship..
But that --^ is a sidetrack,

My main question is, why'd they let the ship loose in the first place? Was there ever an explination?


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Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:49 PM

SGTGUMP


Exactly. I always wondered why they didn't think they could get a few bucks from that boat. Maybe since it was the ship of a bounty hunter commissioned by the alliance, they were afraid to tow it anywhere. But I have to think that about 5 seconds after ol' Jubal said, "Well, here I am." he pushed a button on his arm, and his ship zoomed right back to him.

Unfortunately, I missed the next episode, so I don't know.


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Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:07 PM

SLOWSMURF


Remember in your theories that river could've(and most likely did, regardless of choice) act entirely alone on if she sent the ship away.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:02 AM

TRAGICSTORY


I always imagined they ransacked it for whatever was valuable then left the rest. Like the opening scene of "The Road Warrior."

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:07 AM

TRASK43


I suppose it was a little unlike the crew not to try and get something from the ship(or take the ship itself. I think maybe given the seriousness of the situation they were in they were just happy to get everyone safe on serenity. Also this was a plan put together by river who wouldn't have made stealing the ship a high priority.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:41 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Off mike, Early has instructed his ship to run out of harm's way and pick him up later. We interpret Well, here I am as an existentialist statement only, but not so the waiting ship.

Only Purplebelly believes this, so far

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:10 AM

EMBERS


Quote:

Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Only Purplebelly believes this, so far


LOL
well the ambiquity here is a good thing...
Early can be considered dead unless Joss wants to bring him back for some reason...
you never know, bringing him back may be exciting someday.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:28 AM

FIREFLEW


Quote:

Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Well, here I am as an existentialist statement only, but not so the waiting ship.





Do we? I see the term "existentialist" bandied around a fair bit - to describe films, books etc. but in many cases it doesn't seem to actually relate to any of the concepts of Existentialism - is there another use of the word that I don't know about it not related to Existentialism?

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 5:42 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fireflew:
I see the term "existentialist" bandied around a fair bit


Especially by Whedon when he is discussing Objects in Space. So in this case, I refer you to the episode commentary.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:54 AM

FIREFLEW


Quote:

Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fireflew:
I see the term "existentialist" bandied around a fair bit


Especially by Whedon when he is discussing Objects in Space. So in this case, I refer you to the episode commentary.



Ah, if I could. I lent the DVDs to a recent convert... Now, I need them back. It's been a while since I watched the commentaries - it's possible the coolness of that episode made me forget the commentary content.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:04 AM

BIKISDAD


Quote:

Originally posted by embers:
Quote:

Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Only Purplebelly believes this, so far


LOL
well the ambiquity here is a good thing...
Early can be considered dead unless Joss wants to bring him back for some reason...
you never know, bringing him back may be exciting someday.




Yes, I think this is one of those things that Joss purposefully left ambiguous because he may have wanted to revisit Early in a future episode.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:08 PM

CORWYN


Quote:

Originally posted by Agehn:
That is an extremely expensive looking ship. Why again did they just let it float away?



Who _let_ it _float_ away? River sent it somewhere.

Quote:

By the way, since it's Jubal's ship and it apperently has an autopilot (correcting course when nudged),


Yeah, that and the AUTOPILOT ENGAGED sign on the HUD...


I firmly believe (despite any ambiguity desired by Joss) that whatever happened with that ship, whether it burned up in a star, or went back to rescue Early, was entirely up to River. It was programmed to shadow Serenity, and when River left it banked off to port. She sent it somewhere, we may eventually find out where. Any homing devices Early may have would be functioning or not at River's whim.

Thank You Kindly.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:57 PM

IRIVER


I know that this may be a little off topic, but it does have to do with the whole ending of Objects in Space episode. Notice that when Jubal first lands of Serenity, his suit has some sort of a magnetic device, which keeps him from being thrown off the vessel. But why was Mal able to push Jubal off it he was magnetically attached to the ship?



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Sunday, September 26, 2004 5:26 PM

WYDRAZ


Quote:

Originally posted by iRiver:
... why was Mal able to push Jubal off it he was magnetically attached to the ship?



The shoes allow spacers to walk on metallic surfaces, thus the magnetic attraction is easily broken by the wearer to lift his own foot. Surely Mal can give just as big a shove as Jubal could muster to lift his own foot.



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Sunday, September 26, 2004 5:32 PM

SOUPCATCHER


But not hard enough to overcome the magnetic attraction of his own shoes. He's skilled, that Mal.

There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 5:47 PM

THEREALME


If Mal lifted Early upwards at all ("up" defined as away from Serenity in this case), then that action would break Early's magnet-boot connection but keep Mal's feet pressing down on Serenity.


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Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:25 PM

SOUPCATCHER


I was trying to remember what direction Mal pushed Early. But then I just gave up and posted tongue-in -cheek. Of course, this means I'm going to have to watch the episode again... Darn.


There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.

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Monday, September 27, 2004 4:02 AM

THEREALME


To be honest, SoupCatcher, I don't remember the details either.

So it seems that we are both sentenced to watch Objects In Space again.

Darn!


The Real Me

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Monday, September 27, 2004 8:11 AM

ZEEK


He pushes Jubal off at sort of a diagonal angle. Which is why Jubal hits the ship floating just up and behind Serenity.

So that means there is a component force pushing down on Mal giving him even more force holding him to Serenity.

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Monday, September 27, 2004 8:31 AM

SOUPCATCHER


Yeah, that's kind of what I remembered (that's what I get for not having the DVDs in my working area). I was thinking there was a horizontal and vertical component to the force. He should probably slide backwards, although he could've braced his heels against a feature of the hull.

There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.

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Monday, September 27, 2004 9:11 AM

PURPLEBELLY


While we don't know much about the technology of the suits in the twenty-sixth century, it seems to me that control of the degree of grip would be too useful not to develop; even if only alternative boots: hull maintenance, ship transfer, dancing pumps. Given this, Reynolds' boots could be at maximum while Early, who expects to disembark, will have his at minimum.

There's a lot of if coming off this plan ...

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Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:10 PM

FORRESTWOLF


I actually just watched the ep for the...hmmm...perhaps only fourth time. First time with the commentary, though, and it WAS rather serious about the philosophy.

As for the suit battle, I just wanted to comment that Jubal's suit is rather amazingly flexible. I realized for the first time that the guy goes through the whole ep wearing a SPACE SUIT. Wow. These things are NOT the space suits we're used to. Darned thing almost seems like it's thin leather.

I always did find Mal's success against Jubal a BIT hard to believe - Early is quite the amazing fighting machine, and seems quite comfortable in zero-G. Mal, on the other hand, was as far as we know mostly a ground grunt. I guess that included enough zero-g training that he could do well when he had surprise...

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Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:30 AM

KEEPWALKING


I sudjest you watch the last scene of OiS. Watch Early's face plate. Look carefuly at the reflections. Drifting in space the only objects should be round (planets, stars, moons [partialy distroyed moons hiding wreaker's camerars not withstanding]). If the reflections you see are not small and round try going frame by frame, with mag if possible. Tell me what it looks like to you.
Please pardon the spelling, english is my first language.

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Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:49 AM

FORRESTWOLF


Oh, I've heard the comment before that it looks like a ship in the reflection, if that's what you mean. Though I wasn't convinced this last viewing, actually... I'll take another look with the non-round-objects filter on :)

I hope there IS a ship there - it'd make for a nice little touch worthy of Joss.

- FW

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Tuesday, October 5, 2004 6:54 AM

FORRESTWOLF


Here's the answer, I think, to Mal's success - it was the CABLE he tied himself down with - here's the script I found online, which talks about this a bit:

---
Early turns awkwardly (magnetic boots) to see Mal, suited up and cabled to the ship, right behind him.


MAL (cont'd)
Some of us feel differently.
Mal double palms him in the chest, an inelegant move, but the force of it sends Early flying off the ship, gone, just like that, long gone.
---

So, Mal's no skilled zero-g fighter, but he's somehow cabled more securely. Mind you, we never saw a cable, but that's the idea, I guess.

- FW

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Friday, October 15, 2004 11:22 AM

YT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Jubal hits the ship floating just up and behind Serenity.


Yup, & bounces off to the left, and continues moving in that changed direction. His ship moves a bit to the right (appropriate to its larger mass), but then swings back to its previous position, as if it's hanging from wires. If they couldn't do the collision right, why bother?

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Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:44 AM

AGEHN


It didn't look like wires to me. The movement was wrong for wires. It may have been controlled wires, or CG, but it was definately on purpose.. the ship was knocked aside, and the autopilot readjusted. The autopilot's there so that it won't wander off while Jubal's in Serenity.

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 10:46 AM

JUSTANOTHERMUDDER


^Thats what I thought too. It was the autopilot readjusting.

But I gotta say, you all are doing a lot of discussing about an episode that was clearly written for the sole purpose of highlighting Simon's abs.



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